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Post# 666536   3/17/2013 at 15:55 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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What's this?? The GE washer dryer combo unit from my beloved kitchen centre in Ogden is missing!

How can this be? What happened?? Did Hubby finally build and deploy the evil 'cubinator' that he has been threatening to use to thin out my collection??






Post# 666538 , Reply# 1   3/17/2013 at 16:01 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Oh wait, there it is!

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Silly me, I forgot that I had pulled the combo out to finally try and get it working properly...

For those who don't recall the saga, when I got the machine in 2008 I found that there was serious damage to the wiring cause by a band of vicious Texan rodents... I somehow managed to get the machine running (and this with just a partial wiring diagram) but it wasn't working completely. I could make the machine wash and rinse, but it never got to spin or dry. Well, thanks to Automatic Ephemera, I got the Service Manual for this machine and after studying it for several months, I figured I knew what to do to make the GE Combo do everything it was supposed to. Well, that's what I believed anyway...


Post# 666539 , Reply# 2   3/17/2013 at 16:05 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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First thing I did was to check my wiring. I had never hooked the machine up to 240 Volt power because I feared that I had not wired the 'dry' components correctly. Turns out I did - that was a pleasant surprise!

What I never figured out was why the timer never got power... I improvised a power supply by drawing from the water level control and from the main neutral lead. Well I found ONE bad connection that accounted for why the timer did not seem to be powered...


Post# 666540 , Reply# 3   3/17/2013 at 16:07 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I was feeling confident, so I gave the machine a test run (with water and all).

No sparks, flames, or exploding transformers BUT the darned machine would not fill for the rinses after the main wash water had drained out. What the ??????


Post# 666541 , Reply# 4   3/17/2013 at 16:13 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Well, after a lot of deliberation, studying the manual, and having Phil's (PhilR) insights after he studied the manual, it seemed to point to timer issue. I was scared to try it, but I opened the timer and did some continuity testing....

As it turned out, there was a contact to a switch that would alternately feed power to the timer from two different sources - the switch blade would contact one terminal in a 'lower' position and a different one in the 'upper' postion. Well, that 'upper' position was where power should have been flowing from in the rinse-drain phase of the cycle and contact was not being made.

Believe it or not, this was fixed by simply adjusting the upper contact! It was the one on the upper left in this picture. Son of a ......


Post# 666544 , Reply# 5   3/17/2013 at 16:16 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
But wait there's more...

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I also had trepidations about ever using this machine as a dryer becuase the lead from the thermostat control to the probe inside the wash tub had been chewed away.

A while back John (combo52) sent me a thermostat from a 1959 GE combo that he parted out. Now I just had to figure out how to replace the exising one with this...


Post# 666549 , Reply# 6   3/17/2013 at 16:21 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Here was what was confusing me...

The 1956 thermostat had a set of two switches behind it. The 1959 version had only one.

Thanks to the wiring diagram and comprehensive cycle descriptions in the manual, I found out that the second switch was used to when the 'delicate' temperature for drying was selected. I figured that in a worst-case scenario, I'd no longer have delicate drying capability in the combo. I didn't see this as a show-stopper, though, as I was never really intending to use the combo unit as a regular use dryer due to the high water usage. I threw caution to the wind and switched the switches from the 1956 to the 1959 thermostat!


Post# 666551 , Reply# 7   3/17/2013 at 16:22 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Inside the tub, the 'new' thermostat probes fit, but were different from the original 1956 probe... I remained optimistic...

Post# 666552 , Reply# 8   3/17/2013 at 16:22 (4,050 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
more more !

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more pictures!!

 

 


Post# 666555 , Reply# 9   3/17/2013 at 16:24 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Since I had never used the machine as a dryer before, I thought now might be the time to add some extra insulation.

I found this package of acoustic insulation at a yard sale last summer. It was cut into just the right width for the combo. What luck!


Post# 666559 , Reply# 10   3/17/2013 at 16:26 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I took a slightly paranoîd approach and added a layer of Reflectix insulation too...

Post# 666560 , Reply# 11   3/17/2013 at 16:29 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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The moment of truth was today... Would the timer run? Would I plunge Quebec and Vermont in darkness this time around??

Nah! The timer was getting power the way it was supposed to and the machine advanced from wash to rinse with no issues! Yippeee!!






Post# 666561 , Reply# 12   3/17/2013 at 16:31 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Better still...

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It kicked into the Dry phase of the cycle! For the FIRST time! I was over the moon...






Post# 666563 , Reply# 13   3/17/2013 at 16:33 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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OOOOO! AAAAAAH!

That's what I call living better electrically! LOL






Post# 666564 , Reply# 14   3/17/2013 at 16:36 (4,050 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Nice Paul.

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The Sound of Those Vintage GE Motors.

Reminds me of my Grandmothers '55 or 56


Post# 666565 , Reply# 15   3/17/2013 at 16:37 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
And now the BUT....

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Yeah, it wouldn't be one of my restorations if there wasn't still something not quite right now would it??

So, I did still observe two issues. The machine never kicked into spin (all 200 RPM of it...) and I am not sure that the dry function is working completely reliably and automatically.

I'll probably not get to do much more exploring until the end of the week, but I did manage to test the spin solenoid and it seems to be working...

Stay tuned and if there's a major power outage next weekend, you can't prove it was my combo... LOL




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Post# 666604 , Reply# 16   3/17/2013 at 19:10 (4,050 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I'll have to see that in person later this week!


Post# 666608 , Reply# 17   3/17/2013 at 19:20 (4,050 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Good for you, now it's whole again!!

Post# 666616 , Reply# 18   3/17/2013 at 19:58 (4,050 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I can see in the 2nd picture that you were considering jury rigging in that 56 GE Toaster Oven to get some heat for the dryer cycle

Post# 666619 , Reply# 19   3/17/2013 at 20:06 (4,050 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Wow, Combo's are so cool. Thanks Paul!


Post# 666637 , Reply# 20   3/17/2013 at 20:59 (4,050 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Nicely done!

Yay, Paul!



Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 666676 , Reply# 21   3/18/2013 at 00:28 (4,050 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
I saw the steam with my own eyes

Congratulations and kudos on your patience. I think I saw steam billowing at the end of your clip, now thats what I thought a steam cycle was all along. Red hot and billowing clouds of steam. Will a combo make fluffy filtrator-like towels? arthur

Post# 666686 , Reply# 22   3/18/2013 at 02:25 (4,050 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
o love to see COMBO'S

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waking up after a long snooze. She'll be wailing away in no time 'cause I can see Paul is DETERMINED!! And one knows that kind of determination..

 

 


Post# 666745 , Reply# 23   3/18/2013 at 10:38 (4,050 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Will a combo make fluffy filtrator-like towels?

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Arthur, I haven't successfully dried a full load of anything in this combo yet, but I have heard that a condenser-dry combo like this one will turn out fluffy towels, especially when the hot water rinse option is selected. I think that will be my 'maiden wash' load test for this machine!!

Jon - it only took me four years to get this far, but I am still determined!! Oh and a word of caution - the dials for the cycle control and dry selector are REALLY fragile! Use extreme caution with yours and if you manage to mess them up (I did - that could be a whole other thread!) I came up with a way to repair them.

Phil - just hope the snow predicted for this week will be cleared in time...


Post# 667251 , Reply# 24   3/20/2013 at 12:17 (4,047 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
It is often advertised here...

That washer/dryers or "combos" as you yanks call them do indeed leave fabrics softer. This is because the air is very moist during drying.

James.


Post# 667394 , Reply# 25   3/21/2013 at 06:52 (4,047 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE Combo Water Cooled Condenser Drying

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Having used these for years they do a decent job of drying, which is quite a feat when you consider that the clothing goes into the dry cycle almost dripping wet having been spun at only 200 RPMs. While condenser dryers often do make for fluffier towels I did not notice this as much on these GE Combos, this may have something to do with the rinsing, poor final water extraction and the fact this combo is a VERY HOT dryer. The thermostats trip-cutout temperature varies by the users dryness control setting from 180-280 degrees F. The way these machines were made they provided either a warm or hot final rinse and on the two GE Combos that I have used for years I have overridden the warm or hot rinses and this certainly does not make any difference in the fluffiness of clothing coming out at the end of drying and if anything because it makes the dry cycle a little longer it may leave them fluffier.


Post# 667417 , Reply# 26   3/21/2013 at 08:58 (4,047 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        
Great work!

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it can be nervous working with 220 volt. Way to roll up your sleeves and jump into it. With a little help from the wonderful people on AW. I have noticed that rodents can get a taste for copper and chew wire.

Post# 667607 , Reply# 27   3/22/2013 at 09:56 (4,046 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
YAY! It's spinning!

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So, I got as far as finding out the spin solenoid was good early this week. I was pretty sure there was a contact issue that preventing the timer from sending power to the spin solenoid.

With Phil's help, we did a complete recalibration and adjustment of all the timer contacts - it's kind of scary, but it was a successful operation! I swear that Phil will put other timer repair places out of business one day...

Of course we had to do a cycle test to be sure that everything was still working...

WARNING: The video here contains language that may be deemed offensive - it was 1:00 AM this morning and I was feeling a little punchy (I don't usually film 'first-time' tests...) Please forgive my colourful language!






Post# 667612 , Reply# 28   3/22/2013 at 10:01 (4,046 days old) by westingman123 ()        
Wait...

THAT'S colorful language? Oh, you polite Canadaian boy, you. Congrats on the success! Don't hate on the 200 rpm spin, though. You'll hurt her feelings.

Post# 667613 , Reply# 29   3/22/2013 at 10:02 (4,046 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Dry Cycle issues still,...

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And although the machine did kick into the dry cycle with both calrods and the condenser valve working fine, I got a little spooked by the temperature inside the tub. It got REALLY hot and I was a little concerned that the 1959 thermostat is not kicking in. I was a little surprised the safety thermostat didn't kick in either... But what was very odd and of great concern was the fact that the combo ran when I opened the door during the dry cycle... I had expected the motor to shut off, but it didn't...
So, I am a little leary of using this with clothes, lest I burn the house down..
Any suggestions as to what my be wrong here??


Post# 667614 , Reply# 30   3/22/2013 at 10:09 (4,046 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
offensive language

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I've said far worse, and quite f%$&ing often.

Congrats on your success with a great old machine-


Post# 667615 , Reply# 31   3/22/2013 at 10:13 (4,046 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
You need to

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bring it down to Melrose for a Complete diagnostic !!!

Thats not strong language for a yankee,, bring Phil too he wants to see the Blackstone again ( I know)

NOthing dries wool better than these GE Combos...Nothing


Post# 667628 , Reply# 32   3/22/2013 at 11:35 (4,045 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Hot GE Combo

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Paul to test the dryer run it with no clothing and use an oven temperature tester and watch the temperature, it will go as high as 280F if you have the dryness control set on the driest setting, consult repair manual for details, John.


Post# 667703 , Reply# 33   3/22/2013 at 18:55 (4,045 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh Paul

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when you run that test be sure to get some Trout wrapped in tin foil , insert in washer and voila Hubby's Home Cooked meal will be ready when you are done! - One must Multi-Task these days.

 

 


Post# 667881 , Reply# 34   3/23/2013 at 11:56 (4,044 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Newsflash from Ogden!

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I have worked far too long on this combo of mine to give up now... I took the dry control knob out of the control panel and realized that I probably installed the 1959 model upside down... So, what I thought was the lowest possible setting on the dry cycle very may well have been the highest. Well, I figured I had to test that theory....

Today at 12:18 PM EDT, I started up the GE Combo in the dry portion of the cycle (with no laundry in it). The calrods powered up, condensor kicked in, and the timer paused to let the termostat take over.

At 12:42, I heard a distinctive 'clunk' (over the rumble of the machine and hubby's continual 'ARE YOU SURE IT'S ON' remarks). That could only mean one thing - the thermostat had cycled off! It had and I observed that the timer had started running again. I had reached the first 'trip point' as described in the manual!!

At around 12:45, I observed the calrods had cycled off. Very encouraging!

And finally at 12:50, the combo shut off AUTOMATICALLY!!

So that's it folks - the 1956 GE Combo at long last is fully functional! Today's plan is to get it back into the kitchen centre (my 'kitchen table restorations' are fun, but they do eat into one's living space... )

I'll try and get a video of the FULL CYCLE up soon.

Now, I had better start thinking of getting a certain Hubby a puppy to compensate for all this... LOL


Post# 667886 , Reply# 35   3/23/2013 at 12:10 (4,044 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
YAY PAUL!!!!!!!

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This has been a VERY long time coming, CONGRATS on making it fully operational! YAY!

I'm looking forward to the first report of how it does with laundry in it!

Kevin


Post# 667889 , Reply# 36   3/23/2013 at 12:27 (4,044 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Holy Feces! My Virgin Ears. LOL

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It's great to see the combo rollin' Just keep the puppy far away. A wide open tumbling oven ~ YIKES ! Fixed, I hear ya' but very striking, nonetheless.

Did Phil win the bid on the Hamburg Flair? Hello to all.


Post# 667893 , Reply# 37   3/23/2013 at 12:39 (4,044 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()        

That's great that you got her going again!  I sounds very quiet in the videos, is it really that quiet?  Can't wait to see the complete cycle video Laughing

 


Post# 667900 , Reply# 38   3/23/2013 at 12:59 (4,044 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
Did Phil win the bid on the Hamburg Flair

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I didn't bid on the Flair, I don't need one as I already have one like that and another similar one that I don't use!

 

Paul,

I'm very happy to learn that the thermostat works! Congrats!

 

 


Post# 667987 , Reply# 39   3/23/2013 at 22:13 (4,044 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Why would

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inverting it make a difference? Functionally it shouldn't matter, but dial position would be  affected?? So when you thought you were turning it down you were turning it up?? Is that it?

 

 

 

 


Post# 668026 , Reply# 40   3/24/2013 at 08:04 (4,044 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Jon, that was it exactly. Because the thermostat was upside down, the dial positions from lowest to highest were reversed. Dumb mistake, but at least it was 'fixable'. Should have some laundry to do in that baby today!!!

Post# 668030 , Reply# 41   3/24/2013 at 08:11 (4,044 days old) by westingman123 ()        
So...

no trout for dinner?

Damn.


Post# 668032 , Reply# 42   3/24/2013 at 08:36 (4,044 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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No, I used my GE Fishwasher instead.... (ducks and runs)

Post# 668101 , Reply# 43   3/24/2013 at 16:03 (4,043 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
First full-cycle test with laundry... inconclusive!

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I am not a happy camper... The combo was reinstalled in the kitchen centre yesterday afternoon with no obvious issues. I did notice that when I tried to install the timer dial with the inner dial that it didn't fit perfectly. I had to file down the fiberglass resin I used to repair the timer dial shaft and it seemed to fit... I manually advanced the timer dial to make sure it wasn't binding anywhere and again it seemed fine.

So this afternoon, I threw a load of table linens (place mats, napkins, table runners) in for a 9-minute hot wash. At the second rinse, the timer seemed to stall out on me. I was able to advance through to the remaining rinses manually; I got the spin to kick in, but the timer was definitely not running under its own steam... My language, fortunately not recorded, was pretty salty!

I am letting the machine run on into the dry cycle, keeping a close watch and with the kitchen timer set to remind me that the machine has been running for about 30 minutes. I am hoping that the thermostat will kick out and the power will start flowing to the timer again.

I am a little discouraged to say the least!!   Yell


Post# 668105 , Reply# 44   3/24/2013 at 16:21 (4,043 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)        

Me love combos too! :)

Post# 668159 , Reply# 45   3/24/2013 at 20:51 (4,043 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1955 GE Combo

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Paul have you looked at the new LG Combos, I am sure they have one that color that will fit right in. LOL


Post# 668231 , Reply# 46   3/25/2013 at 06:22 (4,043 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Paul this is just

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combo frustration it happens because you are dealing with two machines not one like a GE FF. So you will have twice the way to come back from junk to perfection. I rebuilt my 1956 Bendix completely from the ground up last year and even today I discover it puddles all over the floor due to someone in the distant past must have stored it in freezing conditions and -THIS I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN A VINTAGE WASHER BEFORE - was that the Nylon valve for the condenser split, its a hairline crack!But there must have been water in the valve and when it froze the nylon gave way.

You can't even see it unless the valve is out in your hands and in the right light-but when you go to dry it sprays fine mist stream the whole time the machine is running. I am trying to find the correct ice maker valve to replace it with. 

So the point being Combos have to be cobbled back into service they just don't get rebuilt like GE FF do's. 

Its a trial and error kind of thing.

 

I learned that from John Eichenger and by doing it myself, but once you get them up and running wahoo they are fun. 1) Trash some jeans 2) throw in3) go to bed 4)wake up and5) put new clean jeans on 6)TAH DAH!

 

BAD! DUOMATIC ! BAD!!

 

 


Post# 668234 , Reply# 47   3/25/2013 at 06:59 (4,043 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Hairline cracks in plastic Inlet Valves

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Jon we see this all the time, the valve does not need to ever freeze to have this happen, I just did a GE inlet valve for an IM Friday that did this, the split is so small you can never see it, but one foot away you can feel this tiny spray of water.

 

You probably could use an IM inlet valve for the condenser water supply, just keep in mind that most new IM inlet valves are only designed to run for about 1 minute before the coil burns out to protect the home from flooding should something go wrong with the IM. So if one is the use an IM valve get a little older design where the coil can still be changed to a continuous duty design, for more details consult an expert.


Post# 668241 , Reply# 48   3/25/2013 at 07:39 (4,043 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I

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sure will!


Post# 668273 , Reply# 49   3/25/2013 at 09:49 (4,043 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Hairline cracks in water components

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Jon, I know exactly what you mean... The '68 Viking (Westinghouse) top-load dishwasher had a similar issue - I couldn't see the blasted split on the pump housing but it was there...

Back to the GE Combo - I ain't been beat yet. After I calmed down yesterday and on the bus ride back into Montreal today I reasoned that it HAS to be a timer contact (and I think I know which one!). I'll probably take a break and pull the combo back out in a couple of weeks - it was a bit of a PITA having the combo in the dining room for service. But by golly, I will get this thing working again!


Post# 668284 , Reply# 50   3/25/2013 at 11:00 (4,043 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Holla Buddy!

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If anyone will do it you will!

 


Post# 680962 , Reply# 51   5/25/2013 at 13:46 (3,981 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Rainy day tinkering....

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Just for the heck of it and knowing that with a heavy rainfall warning in effect there was little chance that I'd empty the well, I thought I'd give the ol' GE combo another try...

It ran but the timer is not running at all anymore (on the test wash when I re-installed it in the kitchen centre, the timer ran briefly, then quit).

I have a few possible causes...
1) a wire got rattled loose when the machine was wrestled back into place
2) the timer switches that control the time need to be re-aligned
3) the timer motor itself has quit on me

I also think I may be able to access the time without pulling the unit out of the kitchen centre. I'll have a run at that later this summer.

In the meantime, I did manually get a load of table linens washed, rinsed, spun and dried in the machine. I just have to make this work automatically soon!!!


Post# 681054 , Reply# 52   5/26/2013 at 01:27 (3,981 days old) by NewVista58 (Northern NJ)        
Very Cool & Interesting

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Hi Paul,

I found it Very interesting
reading through your
restoration process.

Thanks for sharing the
story. Def looking
forward to hearing
when you've completed it.

You will not be outdone.

Excellent Job:)


Post# 681060 , Reply# 53   5/26/2013 at 02:04 (3,981 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Paul, respectfully I think the difficulty of your combo refurbishing is greater than most. I can not imagine the effort it takes to manipulate the awkward weight of the machine into position in your kitchen center. I can also tell from your posts that its coming out again. I admire your attention to perfection and I know you will get there. You have come along way in this restoration but it might be time for a break as you suggested in your above post. arthur

Post# 681066 , Reply# 54   5/26/2013 at 04:58 (3,981 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)        
A good read!

This has been most interesting to follow.

Post# 681276 , Reply# 55   5/27/2013 at 21:33 (3,979 days old) by zippyjet (Baltimore)        
Heat, heat and more heat!

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From what I've learned from the old school combos:
1. For today's clothes, the heat and excessive hot water would be the death of them.
2. Excessive use of water and, having a final hot water rinse would be frowned upon in our energy conservation society.
3. All that heat making the laundry area a steam bath or sauna especially during the summer months. And with climate change do we really need excessive additional heat?
4. These old behemoths seemed like a fire hazard waiting to happen.
5. However watching your You Tube videos of the machine in action are cool.
5. Which models had the door window and which did not? Were they from different years?


Post# 681323 , Reply# 56   5/28/2013 at 06:53 (3,979 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Using an old GE Combo

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I have had the 1966 version of this GE combo installed in my kitchen for almost 25 years now, and while it is not my primary washer-dryer it does get used a few times every month and it has never ruined a thing. It is true that older dryers and combs did have hotter drying temperatures available but people also had delicate clothing in the 1950s and these machines could do a beautiful job laundering them without any damage, { a quick hot rinse certainly will not hurt any clothing that was washed in hot water to begin with ].

 

I certainly do not see any real danger of fire with an appliance like this [ if I did it would not be in my kitchen ] older appliances had very little plastic used in their construction that will support a fire. I would however recommend staying at home when using almost any appliance that is this old, in addition to major appliances I would also include old radios, TVs, any small appliance that heats, etc.

 

I do share your concerns about energy use and would not encourage many people to use this machine as their everyday  machine, however old combos in general are usually as efficient to use overall as a separate washer and dryer of the same time period.


Post# 681426 , Reply# 57   5/28/2013 at 19:15 (3,978 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Which models had the door window and which did not?

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To the best of my knowledge, only the 1955 version of the GE washer-dryer combo (their very first) was the model that did not have a window in the door. I have seen literature (and even a few in person!) models from 1956 until the early 1970s that all had windows in the door. There may have been some lower-end models from beyond 1956 without the window, but I do not know this for sure.

My big concern with using this unit is not the heat (the safety thermostat would kick off before the tub temperature got dangerously high) but the water use... We're on a well and septic system in Ogden and we're slightly paranoid about running the well AND flooding the weeping field... Probably unjustified since we had the septic system replaced in 2010 but old habits die hard!


Post# 681453 , Reply# 58   5/28/2013 at 23:23 (3,978 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

It would be great if you could somehow harvest the condenser water for watering the yard, plants. alr

Post# 681590 , Reply# 59   5/29/2013 at 20:45 (3,977 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
hi paul

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enjoyed your pics and your post here!

Post# 753123 , Reply# 60   4/27/2014 at 13:49 (3,644 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
And now, almost a year later....

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Not to steal Jon's thunder on his progress with the 1955 GE Combo, I nonetheless decided it was high time that I took another run at my 1956 one from the Kitchen Centre.

Look familiar?


Post# 753127 , Reply# 61   4/27/2014 at 13:53 (3,644 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I gave myself a tight deadline this time - I was willing to devote one more day to the combo and try and figure out where I hit the wall last may.

My plan was to test the timer, check that power was being fed through the timer to the elusive tan wire that was supposed to power the timer motor and just for the heck of it, swap the jury-rigged 1959 dry thermostat that I cobbled together last year with a real 1956 version (the one I extracted from that ill-fated combo I got in Syracuse last June).

The clock was ticking and hubby keeping time...


Post# 753131 , Reply# 62   4/27/2014 at 13:59 (3,644 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I'll follow up with some video evidence soon, but by golly, I got the combo running again!!

The timer wasn't running because of 'black timer motor death', a plague that any of these 50-something machines cannot fend off... Slight problem: I didn't have a 'spare' Ingraham type motor to replace the one in the combo (which is actually the second one I put in...EEESH). I had to make a tough decision quickly - I cannibalized the 1955 GE stand-alone dishwasher and swiped the timer motor. Poor dishwasher...

I managed to get the 'new' thermostat in pretty quickly after I had done some basic cycle testing. Experience has been a good teacher.

And.... well, on the first cycle test last night, everything seemed fine!! The washer did what it was supposed to - filled, washed, drained, rinsed, spun, and DRIED!! The tub was empty so the thermostat cycled off after about 15 minutes. I was turning cartwheels and celebrated with a honking big rye and soda!


Post# 753133 , Reply# 63   4/27/2014 at 14:02 (3,644 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Still under a deadline, I got the combo back into place in the Kitchen Centre this morning. Now, you can't tell how well a machine works 'till you actually wash in it, right?

I threw caution to the wind and assembled an 8-pound load of table linens and a few t-shirts.

This is probably the biggest load I ever ran through this machine so far... LOL


Post# 753134 , Reply# 64   4/27/2014 at 14:08 (3,644 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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The washer ran fine and I did not observe any leaks, sparks, flames, etc.

Call it coincidence, but the Ogden building inspector just happened to come by while the test load washed. I am beginning to think the house is bugged... LOL

I got to test something that I had not previously been able to do: the off-balance reset! I probably twisted the leveling feet of the washer in one or another of the in and out of the kitchen centre cycles, and when the combo went into its first spin with a big load, it shook like crazy! But the off-balance mechanism kicked in, slowed the machine back to a 'tumble' for a moment, the back into the roaring 208-RPM spin. I was fascinated!

Better still, it went into dry mode automatically and cycled off...automatically!!


Post# 753136 , Reply# 65   4/27/2014 at 14:13 (3,644 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Now, I was timing the dry cycle carefully. I was astonished that it took 1 hour and 18 minutes to dry!! That cursed Magic Chef in town is faster... LOL

Still, the clothes were nice and soft and dry!

I am still reeling that I got the combo working at long last!!

I was watching the dry cycle and remembering the cold December night when the Kitchen Centre and refrigerator arrived in Stanstead. I had to go to the freight office to clear the unit through customs and I got my first look at it. I remember going right to the washer-dryer! I had never seen one up close at that point, if you can believe it.

What a long journey this has been, but wow, am I happy!!


Post# 753137 , Reply# 66   4/27/2014 at 14:22 (3,644 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
YAY For Fully Automatic Washing AND Drying

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Congratulations Paul, now you will never have to make trips down to that old laundry room in the basement again, LOL.

You have now joined the elite small number of AW folks that have a fully functioning classic combo.


Post# 753141 , Reply# 67   4/27/2014 at 14:38 (3,644 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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So you had it back in place! Great! I hope it will work for a very long time!


Post# 753142 , Reply# 68   4/27/2014 at 14:45 (3,644 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Paul what a accomplishment! 

Having a truly nice time when I was at your place in the morning wash,

was a great experience. 

 

I never knew that it drains more then several

times and fills as it washes is that correct ?

 

Does the heating element glows,

when in the drying mode ?

 

Can you stop it after the last rinse,

and spin the load in...lets say in your 

Frigidaire top loader then return the load 

to dry ?

 

Congrates on your achievement. 

The GE center is truly a beautiful appliance.

Darren k

 


Post# 753144 , Reply# 69   4/27/2014 at 14:53 (3,644 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Congrats! I admire your skills perseverance. Be proud and FWIW, I think you've earned a bit more than one Rye & Soda for your work.

Jim


Post# 753145 , Reply# 70   4/27/2014 at 14:59 (3,644 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

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turquoisdude!!!

what an interesting thread. as soon as i started reading, i was hooked!! i loved how you laid out the details and added the pictures & videos. i think i served myself 2 cups of coffee while reading this thread about your GE washer/dryer combo.

WOW!!! finally after such a long "refurbishing" journey. i am soooo happy that you got your combo baby up and running!!
WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it sure is a BEAUTY!!!
and i bet it's all kinds of fun to run/use too!!!

thanks for sharing and keeping us all updated on your progress.

i am soooo happy for you & your success!!!!

:o)


Post# 753157 , Reply# 71   4/27/2014 at 15:34 (3,644 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Congrats Paul

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Combo restoration is a long long process. We are coming into the home stretch together on these that is cool. I notice your '56 has the newer style boot too - another unique thing about the '55s -boy they sure changed a lot of this machine inside of one model year. 


Post# 753310 , Reply# 72   4/27/2014 at 23:28 (3,644 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Beautiful!!! Im firmly convinced

These old appliances,properly serviced, are safer than modern plastic junk!! As for your colorful language...honey, you didnt grow up with a Dad who was a WW2 Marine Corps combat veteran!!LOL..I know bad words that will peel paint!!LOL

Post# 753323 , Reply# 73   4/28/2014 at 00:47 (3,644 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

Paul,
congratulations! Couldn't be happier for you. Hope you get many, many, years of use from your restored baby! Your patience and deligence have payed off. WOOHOO!

Rick


Post# 753362 , Reply# 74   4/28/2014 at 08:20 (3,644 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Impressive, interesting, nail-biting, and one hell of an adventure in bringing a somewhat complex machine back to life. YOU rock, Paul. You should be reeling for a long time. It's PPP - persistence patience and PARTS. Fun thread to read with happy endings. Awesome job.

Post# 755021 , Reply# 75   5/5/2014 at 10:46 (3,637 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Still tinkering....

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Ah, does it ever end?? I guess because the GE Combo never kicked into 'spin' when I first installed it in the kitchen centre, I never correctly leveled it. I still need to do that, but I threw my back out again last week, so that will have to wait a while.

In the meantime, here's what happened when I tried out the first load of clothes last week!!






Post# 755106 , Reply# 76   5/5/2014 at 17:34 (3,636 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool)        

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Would it even be worth getting the spin sorted seeing as it only spins at 200rpm. Wringing the clothes out by hand would prob have more of an effect. Really nice machine but how could they call that a spin?

Post# 755848 , Reply# 77   5/9/2014 at 01:12 (3,633 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Kewl Paul !

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Ahh clean GE clothes again! Like seeing a dinosaur walking.....!


Post# 756533 , Reply# 78   5/12/2014 at 14:33 (3,629 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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I'm curious as to why the spin is only 208 rpm. Is there a way to tinker with it to get it to spin faster?

Post# 756540 , Reply# 79   5/12/2014 at 14:52 (3,629 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
208 RPM Spin

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It would probably take some serious re-engineering of the drive unit to make a machine like this spin faster than 208 rpms.   I think part of the reason the spin is relatively slow is the 'suspension' system of the GE Combo.  It is literally a tub on legs - I think they could have called it a 'bolt-down'... LOL   I'll comment more on that when I get tearing into the 47 Bendix...


Post# 756572 , Reply# 80   5/12/2014 at 17:24 (3,629 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE Combo Spin Speeds

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There is basically no suspension on these combos, O Keefe & Merritt Norge and Easy combos also had no suspension so fast spinning was out of the question.

The OK&M did not spin at all, but was only made in gas and had a 9,500BTU burner, the Norge only spun around 200RPMs and the Easy did a surge spin where it surged to a little over 200 RPMs for just a few seconds at a time. And in spite of these poor water extraction rates anyone of these early combos will seriously beat probably any combo built anywhere in the world today in capacity and speed of the complete cycle [ maybe not total energy consumption however ].

I have long predicted that the return of a REAL combo is going happen again soon, one that can wash and DRY more than 10 pounds of clothing in under an hour and half.


Post# 756638 , Reply# 81   5/12/2014 at 22:54 (3,629 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
"predicted that the return of a REAL combo "

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I'll be watching!

Post# 757098 , Reply# 82   5/15/2014 at 04:11 (3,627 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
We should

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call it "The Real Combo"!!

 


Post# 773441 , Reply# 83   7/27/2014 at 14:45 (3,553 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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We took some time to adjust the leveling legs on the combo yesterday and it went into spin without problems! No leaks, no timer issues, heaters working and some "water extraction" too!

 



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Post# 773453 , Reply# 84   7/27/2014 at 16:13 (3,553 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE Combo Spinning

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Very cool, notice how the window starts to steam up on the inside during spin because the dry heaters are on starting to warm up the machine and clothes for a faster dry cycle.

Post# 773455 , Reply# 85   7/27/2014 at 16:23 (3,553 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Yes it does! Even if "omit dry" or "drip dry"? is selected as it was when we filmed this...

 

But I think Paul told me that there's a cycle of the washer in which they stay off. 

 

I'm sure he'll chime in with more info about that!

 


Post# 773461 , Reply# 86   7/27/2014 at 16:53 (3,553 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Yep, if the dry thermostat is set to the 'delicate' side of the dial, the calrods will not be powered during the spin.   Also, only the large calrod will be powered up in the dry portion of the cycle when in the 'delicate' position.   I swear I did not just read the GE manual on this, I memorized it... LOL 


Post# 773552 , Reply# 87   7/28/2014 at 07:00 (3,553 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I'll have to check the

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1955 Combo and see if thats true too.

 



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