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Thread Number: 45675
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| Post# 668288 , Reply# 3 3/25/2013 at 11:11 (4,047 days old) by aladude () | ||
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We bought a top-of-the-line GE Profile tall-tub in early 2010 and it works like a dream. It's super easy to load and dead quiet. Ours has the smart dispense system and disposal, I highly recommend it. | ||
Post# 668295 , Reply# 5 3/25/2013 at 12:35 (4,047 days old) by foraloysius  (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 668302 , Reply# 7 3/25/2013 at 13:09 (4,047 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Personally I've had it with any Whirlpool manufactured machines, which the Kenmore you're looking at is, after our Kitchenaid (whirpool) broke down after 11 months just before the warranty expired (I've since bought the extended warranty). The previous KA wasn't any better. It's the twice burned 3 times shy thing I suppose.
I would definitely be looking at a Bosch next time, they get high ratings in CR. Don't be fooled by the euro machines "being smaller" you can't tell by looking and the designs like we had in our Miele was actually much easier to load and fit just as much inside. You may notice the tines are closer together though so if you have plates that are somewhat deeper than normal could be a concern.. You could, maybe should take one of your regular dinner plates and cereal bowls with you when you go shopping to see how well they stand up in the different machines. The machine you're looking at didn't get a recommendation in CR but they say it should still be considered. They say it washed excellent, the noise level was good, etc so I'm not really sure why it didn't get recommended where some of the less expensive plastic tub Kenmores did get recommended. As well it's very similar to the stainless tub Whirpools and Kitchenaids, many of those were recommended. Just my opinion but I think these days it's wise to consider the extended warranty on a dishwasher. | ||
| Post# 668308 , Reply# 8 3/25/2013 at 13:47 (4,047 days old) by mixfinder () | ||
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Bosch Bosch Bosch Bosch. Did I say Bosch? | ||
| Post# 668309 , Reply# 9 3/25/2013 at 13:50 (4,047 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 668312 , Reply# 10 3/25/2013 at 14:19 (4,047 days old) by aimeemarie12 () | ||
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I will definitely go look at some Bosch's....that's what I thought I would get before I started really researching. | ||
| Post# 668471 , Reply# 12 3/26/2013 at 09:18 (4,046 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Another 4 Bosch
During the time that I had a Bosch dishwasher, I enjoyed using it. I especially liked the 30 minute quick wash. By the time you finished cleaning up the kitchen, dishes are done and can be dried and put away.
My Miele wont let me run the express wash, comes up and says my water isn't hot enough from the tap. Malcolm | ||
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Post# 668479 , Reply# 13 3/26/2013 at 09:37 (4,046 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 668492 , Reply# 15 3/26/2013 at 10:56 (4,046 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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CR gives Blomberg a mediocre (their term) in washing ability on heavily soiled dishes and on noise level. The only excellents it received were energy use and ease of use. That would be enough to deter me.
Samsung is repair prone according to their analysis but then look at my Kitchenaid experience which rates not that bad in that regard lol. | ||
| Post# 668497 , Reply# 17 3/26/2013 at 12:03 (4,046 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
Bosch here - replaced a KA TT that tried (repeatedly) to catch on fire. We also have rock-hard water where I live and the built-in softener has been nothing short of a revelation! Now, instead of having to add Lemi-shine (while risking ruining some things) to every load to counter limescale buildup, I put the dishes in, add a Quantum PB tab, and press the button. As long as the salt and rinse-aid dispensers are kept full, everything comes out clean and very shiny clear first time, every time.
The model I purchased is linked in below. Couple of things to note - it is an ADA compliant one so the tub is a bit higher, and appears (at first glance) to be far far smaller than our old TT. But with careful loading I can get at least 90+% of what I used to cram into the KA into it, no problem. Also, it does not dry plastics as well as the old KA used to, for whatever reason. Dishes, plates and silverware are all bone dry but for some reason certain plastics still have water all over them when it is done. No big deal, just have to towel those off. The flip-side of this is that there's no exposed heater element so I never have to risk having something melting on it if it is blown off the top rack (like medicine cups, etc.) Maintaining the filter is a snap. I take it out and clean it whenever I'm prompted to add either salt or rinse aid, and that seems entirely sufficient. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mysteryclock's LINK | ||
| Post# 668609 , Reply# 20 3/26/2013 at 22:11 (4,046 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
For those of you
who have hard water (I do too)
Try putting distilled white vinegar in the rinse aid dispenser and turning the dial to the highest # and see if that helps. Lemishine works good too, but so does the vinegar I have to say - I recommend WP personally because all my 2004 WP appliances are still working in 2013 and have had little issues with any of them.....But that's just me...Others haven't been so lucky. | ||
| Post# 668635 , Reply# 21 3/27/2013 at 00:37 (4,046 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
 I have had over ten dishwasher's in ten years. 3 G.E. from the Old Potsmasher's which are still some of the best to a 2010 G.E. Mongram which cost a $$$.Viking/Asko was terrible and I mean terrible.The new Whirlpool/Kenmore use the same Mag drive pumps from Askol.They make a ton of aquarium power head pumps and filter pumps and there used in Frigidare dishwasher's.The motor in them Whirlpool/Kenmore is 55 watts and that is it.They say 15min on and ten minutes off that is why these new Whirlpool dishwasher takes so long 5 hours is normal and can take all nite if you want it to.I have a L.G. right now and it washes good but, my detergent is Bubble Bandit and is about 20% phosphates after I get done with it and I never have film of anything ever. Miele dishwasher's can't be beat but they are $$$$ ,I also like the Maytags that are still out Maytag is saying to hell with water use and wimpy motors.That thing will use 12 gallons on Jetclean plus cycle and it has a grinder in it still and has a big motor in it also.You can get a loaded one for 800 bucks a ton of people are buying Maytag dishwasher's.The wash system is proven been around for years and cleans great and that was after me and I am hell on dishwasher's.I do not care for Bosch dishwasher's at all they are a pain to load bad. My dream machine is a Old Kitchenaid or a new Miele..I don't see my L.G. lasting long I keep breaking plates and they get in the grinder and make terrible sounds..
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Post# 668667 , Reply# 23 3/27/2013 at 08:05 (4,045 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 668695 , Reply# 26 3/27/2013 at 11:55 (4,045 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 668698 , Reply# 27 3/27/2013 at 12:03 (4,045 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
I had a 1999 Maytag Jet clean that I loved. Unfortunately I left it behind when I sold that house. The new house had a Frigidaire, that one lasted a month before it was banished to the garage. It was replaced with a Maytag 300 quiet series. That machine cleaned well, was a bit noisy, but suffered terribly from reliability issues. Three control boards, fire hazard recall, rusting racks. . .
I replaced the Maytag two weeks ago with a Kitchenaid. My goodness I love that machine. In the normal wash it takes about two hours, but have never taken anything out of it yet that wasn't clean. I did the shorter, hour wash, last night for some baking prep equipment. Everything was clean. The machine is quiet, holds everything I throw in it, and everything comes out clean. I use the Cascade complete, Finish, and Cascade Professional. No white streaks at all, I do use jet dry as well. Did I mention it was quiet, the only way you can tell it's running is the lights are on on the control panel. For Normal Heavy wash it uses 6.4 gallons of water. If you use the Power scrub option on the Heavy or Normal cycle it adds about 45 minutes to the cycle depending on the water temp, and increases the water usage by approximately 1 gallon. I did buy the extended warranty--Whirlpool did build it afterall. | ||
| Post# 668700 , Reply# 29 3/27/2013 at 12:18 (4,045 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Aimee
I bought the Kitchenaide KUDS30IXWW (the designation WW and SS means white/white, and Stainless Steal. I bought the white model with stainless interior.
BTW--I got this machine on sale at Sear's for $599 I might add, when considering a Bosch be sure and measure your cabinet clearance from floor to cabinet. The Drip pan, or water stop system can be harder to install on older homes due the clearance allowed by the machine's pan. I had a friend that had to send her Bosch back and opt for a Maytag because of this clearance issue. Others on here may be able to address this issue more clearly than I, but do use this information as an asking point when purchasing. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Iheartmaytag's LINK This post was last edited 03/27/2013 at 12:54 | ||
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Post# 668722 , Reply# 30 3/27/2013 at 14:38 (4,045 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts) |
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| Post# 668740 , Reply# 31 3/27/2013 at 16:02 (4,045 days old) by aimeemarie12 () | ||
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Ok folks I have narrowed down my choices... Bosch she43p25uc Samsung dmt400rhs Or a Blomberg not integrated door, has the slide out cutlery tray. | ||
| Post# 668755 , Reply# 32 3/27/2013 at 18:28 (4,045 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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Blomberg for my vote..They are very quite and very good on price also.That Pots and Pans + Cycle heats the water to 170 degrees in the machine I used.It did wash a long time but I had it hooked to the cold water line.The tub had asphalt then insulation then covered with steel.Samsung has had some issues with there dishwasher's like L.G. did when they first came out it took L.G. years to get where they are now getting better reviews.I hate Bosch I have two there kitchen mixers and I hate both of them there dishwasher's I can't load for some reason and they gave us alot of problems.I would spend the $$$ money and get a Miele before Bosch,Miele wash wonderful but the I have only played with my Aunts Miele's who is a loaded crazy woman that lives in Buckhead.She has two Miele dishwasher's a commercial one that has a 10 min cycle and the other one is a Le peria 5000 I think.. She is entertains alot of stuck up people that I can't stand and she don't like them either thats what I don't get... | ||
| Post# 668756 , Reply# 33 3/27/2013 at 18:29 (4,045 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Post# 668759 , Reply# 34 3/27/2013 at 18:46 (4,045 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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If you can swing a couple hundred more, the softener is abso
I can't agree more, but the softener should be for the whole house! Your laundry, your showers and your plumbing fixtures will all benefit. My city well water has 18 grain hardness, I wouldn't consider not having a softener. Perhaps your water isn't as hard but if it is you should consider this.
I'd buy a mid-line KitchenAid dishwasher and get a softener installed with the money saved. I'm quite pleased with the Whirlpool softener I bought from Lowes about 5 years ago. | ||
| Post# 668780 , Reply# 37 3/27/2013 at 20:57 (4,045 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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I am at the farm tonight and our water here is so hard it seems carbonated.It tastes wonderful and was rated one of the cleanest deep wells in Tenn but it is hell for dish washing and washing clothes.We have a softener but is broke and sense my Mom passed we don't come up here much.You really don't need a water softener if you buy Bubble Bandit dishwasher detergent.I just bought 19 pounds for 60 $$ and that will last over a year for me.It has 8.7% Phosphates in it so two tablespoons in the main wash and everything has that nice soft clean to it..My water here is VERY hard and that is the only detergent that will work for me here. I also bought 5 pounds reagent grade Trisodium phosphate from Amazon that works wonders for any cleaning really it came from Honeywell.It makes Family dollar liquid dishwasher detergent work wonders.It's amazing what that one ingredient does for washing dishes or making my clothes clean clean.We have a Dacor dishwasher and in the downstairs kitchen we still have a 1983 Magic chef/G.E. Pot smasher that will out wash anything I throw at it.It has a huge metal wash arm with that pop up tower and a wash arm on top.I love hearing that washer starting up.The dishwasher starts the motor and fills while it runs and you can hear the power of that water hitting the door every time that tower jet hits and plates hit one another. 30 year old dishwasher and not one problem ever still washes like the day it did when we got it.The Dacor was not my choice it's a very large dishwasher and breaks all the time and is $$$ to fix....
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| Post# 668790 , Reply# 39 3/27/2013 at 21:45 (4,045 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Allen
I purchased the 300 "Quiet Series" in 2007. It was a MOL machine, plastic tub fire hazard machine. It was the last of the Maytags before the Whirlpool purchase. Three control boards. Rusted racks by the time it was 18 months old. The machine washed well when it was working. I did not cry when it left. | ||
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