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Post# 671043 4/7/2013 at 10:24 (4,030 days old) by kakidd  (Texas) |
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Anyone have one of these or know anything about their performance? | ||
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Post# 671130 , Reply# 2 4/7/2013 at 15:29 (4,030 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 671137 , Reply# 3 4/7/2013 at 16:02 (4,030 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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FD Orbit DW's | ||
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Post# 671171 , Reply# 4 4/7/2013 at 17:32 (4,030 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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WK78 is right....this is just a gimmick of junk.....to think your getting something special, a regular washarm will do the same thing.....
I had years ago, a GE with the SmartWash little whirlybird washarms, worked great for the first year, then the got stuck and would not revolve, GE's recall recomendation, at your expense, was a replacement regular washarm found in their BOL units.....all just a total waste.... I too would stick with a Kenmore.....prefer the UltraWash if possible! this video is cool......you can see a live one in action at Sears....I have seen plastic lawn sprinklers with better force... heres Frigidaire's video CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK | ||
| Post# 671189 , Reply# 5 4/7/2013 at 18:42 (4,030 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
 They have two different types of these dishwasher's.They have ones that have a round spray arm and then they have ones that have a small rectangle one on the end of the arm.I have always been fascinated by these types of dishwasher's from Frigidare. My Mamaw had a 1970s version that would take the paint off of something it washed so hard and heated the water soooo hot. I am getting me a cheap Frigidaire dishwasher and add two extra pumps to it I have got.I have two G.E. dishwasher pump's and I have a Asko pump and two drawer dishwasher grinder drain pumps.I have already designed one of the pumps using a old K-aid dishwasher disposer from a Kud-22.The dishwasher will pump huge amounts of water to the top where it will spray down into that wash arm and I am using a tower from a old Maytag or Frigidaire depending on which works better. I bought a in line water heater and will connect it to the hot and cold water lines to make sure I can get enough water in it.I want it to be loud and also be able to grind anything.I don't understand why my 1983 G.E. Pot smasher with that metal wash arm and tower wash can out wash other dishwasher's that have arms under each and do it all in about 80mins.When it takes over 3 hours now in a dishwasher...
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| Post# 671615 , Reply# 6 4/9/2013 at 14:43 (4,028 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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Post# 671624 , Reply# 7 4/9/2013 at 15:10 (4,028 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho) |
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Wes, you are right about the '83 Potscrubber. I also bought a 2400 with the electronic control panel later on when I moved. I have yet to own a dishwasher that performs as well as those two as those two did. | ||
| Post# 671676 , Reply# 8 4/9/2013 at 19:08 (4,028 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
Oooh!
Oooh, it's the Frigidaire Frisbee-wash!
I saw one of these at Sears. I was surprised that Electrolux keeps marching on with that same system that our Frigidaire dishwasher has, with the wash-bottom/wash-top design. I noticed that the wash system appeared different in the Icon series (at least, superficially), and wondered if that would percolate down to the Frigidaire line. It appears that it hasn't, at least, not yet. The self-cleaning filter works well, save for the glass trap insert that is forever trapping food particles between it and the sump body. I've gotten in the habit of scrubbing it clean every couple of loads. The wash system seems satisfactory if unexciting. The wash arm is markedly shorter end-to-end than in our traditional-arm unit, but I suppose the idea is that the orbit disc does all the washing, and the linear portion of the arm is just there with a jet to propel it around. Reminds me of the old metal GE arms in the 70s with several staggered large holes on one side of the arm, and just one angled hole on the other. Neither the old nor the new unit throws the water higher than the bottom of the top rack, so it relies on time to make up for pressure. I find that, with Cascade Platinum or any other really good detergent, the results are just fine, although you won't be reaching them in less than 80 minutes. Poor detergent will produce an astonishingly lousy result, whereas the older machines that washed with force could compensate for that to a degree. I agree that the twirligig designs have always met a bitter end when the twirlie fails to rotate properly, as evidenced by the Profile dishwashers and their short-lived twin small-arm design, which Yogi mentioned. The first time that orbit disc jams, the force needed to propel the arm won't be offset properly (notice in the video how the eccentric force of the water from the disc offsets the forward force of the propulsion jet just-so, such that the arm spends an increment washing each zone before advancing?), and you'll end up with some seriously skeezy dishes. | ||
| Post# 671679 , Reply# 9 4/9/2013 at 19:25 (4,028 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
I don't understand why my 1983 G.E. Pot smasher with that metal wash arm and
tower wash can out wash other dishwasher's that have arms under each and do it all in about 80mins.When it takes over 3 hours now in a dishwasher... Volume and pressure. A beautiful thing of the past that probably won't ever return.
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Post# 671691 , Reply# 10 4/9/2013 at 20:10 (4,028 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Neither the old nor the new unit throws the water higher th | ||
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Post# 671716 , Reply# 11 4/9/2013 at 20:50 (4,028 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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Modern DW pumps. | ||
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Post# 671738 , Reply# 12 4/10/2013 at 01:01 (4,028 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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Watched the Electrolux video, sad, really sad. Looks like the machine was doing little more than "peeing" on the dishes. I want heat, and pressure to wash my dishes in an hour, not 3. My GE will do that, it's 5 or 6 years old and cleans like I want and expect -fast and thoroughly. | ||
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Post# 671803 , Reply# 14 4/10/2013 at 12:39 (4,027 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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Pathetic
I think after watching the video, I have determined that my piss stream is stronger than than Orbit Clean wash arm! My old late 80's GE DW with the impellers on both ends of the wash arm, does a beautiful job while the other spray arms are operating at the same time. It is very sad indeed to see the remaining Frigidare traits and qualities, go down the toilet! Just Sayin!
Hugs, David | ||
| Post# 671818 , Reply# 15 4/10/2013 at 13:56 (4,027 days old) by rpms (ontario canada) | ||
The third level wash really is pitiful. I don't see it washing a corn kernel back down to the bottom.
Is the spray from the sprinkler that makes the wash arm turn? It seems to struggle quite a bit just to make one revolution. If you had really hard water and the cogs got crusty, would the lower wash arm turn it all? You would hate to see a plastic bowl flip over and fill with wash water. The orange pulls on the racks are nice. | ||
| Post# 671962 , Reply# 16 4/11/2013 at 10:57 (4,026 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Not so bad
It's no vintage machine, but nothing is nowadays. Ours is pretty good at what it does; my main gripe is the cycle time, but again, that's typical.
Note that the Frigidaire unit has a top constant rinse, which appears to do a better job than the static "fountain" that the Electrolux has. Ours has the fountain, really just a set of holes in the top feed. It's nothing to write home about, I promise, and concave tops of glassware are forever full of sand. The main irritation with this design is the top wash-arm. The holes point outward at a diagonal--all of them, minus the two that point downward from the tips and help wash the silverware basket. Frigidaire's logic, I suppose, is that you place the items to intercept the water stream and hope it'll bounce up and around, but it's flawed logic at best. You get some strange results, such as if you put a glass anywhere but the outboard rows; the water misses it entirely, and it ends up full of trash. This defies standard human dishwashing logic, which assumes that "if it's pointed down and in an unobstructed location, chances are it will receive water." If they would put the upward-pointing-jet wash arm from the Electrolux on the Frigidaire, it'd be better. The AquaSurge Pro I had several years ago was one of the worst-washing dishwashers in the top rack ever. I've gotten better results from a single-arm KitchenAid with a top rack full of tumblers and a bottom rack full of mixing bowls. | ||
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Post# 672017 , Reply# 17 4/11/2013 at 16:48 (4,026 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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3'rd level wash
The only one I have ever seen (outside of commercial DW's that blast tons of water from above and below) was the MT Intelliclean. The full size wash arm in my MDB-9100 washed all the crap off of the top rack dishes that could not be reached by the Power Tower and forced it down into the 3 stage filtration and hard food disposal system. I tested it's strength by putting side plates with dried on egg facing up and they were washed clean.
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| Post# 672026 , Reply# 19 4/11/2013 at 17:17 (4,026 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
This defies standard human dishwashing logic, which assumes  "if it's pointed down and in an unobstructed location, chances are it will receive water."
Apparently, this wasn't Frigidaire's logic with the very first dishwashers they made! You can get decent results in a Spin Tube as long as everything deep points the spin tube on the top rack and forget putting anything else than plates or very shallow bowls on the lower rack as they need to have their dirty side slightly angled upwards so they receive water from the spin tube (or top constant rinse in 1963-64 models). there's no way water will get from under the lower rack to reach them! That probably explains why these dishwashers had no Pots & Pans cycle.
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Post# 672299 , Reply# 21 4/12/2013 at 18:14 (4,025 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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There's another video of these. However, it sure looks like a true demo dishwasher, as I don't think the spray arms ever run at the same time. Might also show the TimeSaver or ProBoost option, though, which increases pressure by 40%. Be that as it may, looking at our consumer magazine - AEG/Electrolux is still outdone by BSH and Miele in cleaning performance.
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| Post# 672320 , Reply# 22 4/12/2013 at 20:04 (4,025 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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The first vid Where I live, it rained harder today for 3 continuous hours than the spray in that first vid. Pathetic. Would like the the manufactures to show the inside action while the DW is loaded with dishes...this would give a better reflection of the actual action being delivered. Thanks for posting the vid. | ||
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Post# 672335 , Reply# 23 4/12/2013 at 21:07 (4,025 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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But Jerrod, you have to admit that the rain was falling down and did have gravity on its side while the DW did not. | ||
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Post# 672378 , Reply# 25 4/13/2013 at 03:52 (4,025 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Apparently I see something different. The AEG in the last video has a system that pauses the rotation of the upper arm intermittently. You see the lower arm accelerate and it sprays much higher and harder when it does that. With longer cycle times there is a decent amount of time that the dishes and pots and pans get a good amount of water that way.
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Post# 672401 , Reply# 26 4/13/2013 at 07:54 (4,024 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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"You see the lower arm accelerate and it sprays much higher and harder when it does that."
That is what I meant. Could be a demonstration of the ProBoost option that increases the pressure by 40%. Here's a Miele in comparison CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 672402 , Reply# 27 4/13/2013 at 08:06 (4,024 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 672418 , Reply# 28 4/13/2013 at 09:19 (4,024 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 672437 , Reply# 29 4/13/2013 at 11:47 (4,024 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 672440 , Reply# 30 4/13/2013 at 11:57 (4,024 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 672455 , Reply# 31 4/13/2013 at 13:05 (4,024 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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"and not necessary"
It looks like the whole world has decided we need more frugal dishwashers. 50 gallons per minute requires a lot of water in the sump. I'm afraid there are not enough classic KitchenAids in the world to give all people dishwashers that use lots of water.
Personally I'm happy with my new Miele. It makes everything sparkling clean, although it doesn't use 50 gallons per minute. | ||
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Post# 672500 , Reply# 32 4/13/2013 at 16:09 (4,024 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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Lets do a quick comparison
Between all these 3 hour drip and soak machines to a real dishwawsher. This is a KA with the WP powerclean module in it. Notice the difference? It would eat any DW in this thread for lunch.
WK78 CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlykenmore78's LINK | ||
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Post# 672621 , Reply# 33 4/13/2013 at 22:55 (4,024 days old) by stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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even in reverse | ||
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Post# 672991 , Reply# 35 4/15/2013 at 18:32 (4,022 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I like these water-throwers, but like Louis said: my Bosch will double-wash, double-rinse and dry a packed load in 75 minutes - quietly and without needing ten+ gallons to do the job. 10 more minutes will get you a third rinse and heat the wash and rinse to over 160F.
Of all the modern built-in units, Miele Professional pumps 50 gal. a minute. | ||
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Post# 673105 , Reply# 36 4/16/2013 at 03:07 (4,022 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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I think one of those impellor-propellor dishwashers would be better than those "drool" models anytime. | ||
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Post# 673106 , Reply# 37 4/16/2013 at 03:09 (4,022 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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What is with the video clip involving the Bosch dishwasher with the door open and the brick in it?And the jumper cables?Don't get what this guy was trying to do. | ||
| Post# 673108 , Reply# 38 4/16/2013 at 03:45 (4,022 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Don't get what this guy was trying to do. I guess he saw videos of people throwing bricks in clothes washers while they were spinning to destroy them and he thought throwing a brick in the dishwasher might have the same spectacular effect! FAIL!
Not too impressive behavior but at least, he didn't try to drown or electrocute a cat in it or to figure a way how to make a bomb or a firearm using parts from the dishwasher as other kids do... Or if he did try it but I bet he failed! Maybe he later tried to fill it with gasoline and burned some grass, his camera phone and himself too when it finally ignited...
If everybody with really bad intentions/ideas would be so limited in their minds, we'd probably live in a safer world where these people would be a lot more dangerous to themselves than to others!
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Post# 673124 , Reply# 39 4/16/2013 at 06:19 (4,022 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Tomturbomatic-Sounds like the hose idea works!Good way to clean a yard full of dishes! | ||
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Post# 673125 , Reply# 40 4/16/2013 at 06:21 (4,022 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Yes,looks like the man with the Bosch was trying to electrocute himself as a byproduct of his attempted dishwasher destruction.The washer would destroy him!Guess he was running the dishwasher motor with the jumper cables-DANGEROUS!Get ready to fill out the accident report and death certificate. | ||
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Post# 673151 , Reply# 41 4/16/2013 at 09:46 (4,021 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 673166 , Reply# 42 4/16/2013 at 11:26 (4,021 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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I love old Kitchen-aids and old G.E. Potsmashers..The Orbit-clean has me thinking about what would happen if I bought that wash arm and added it to my project that I am working on with 3 wash pumps in it.I can get the wash arm and it would fit to a old Frigidaire that I have...The Miele is a great dishwasher I have a feeling that video is kinda old from the looks of it...That guy screwing around with the Bosch is a Moron and I expect to see him on 1000 ways to die show on T.V.That is so STUPID BATTERY CABLES....
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| Post# 673171 , Reply# 43 4/16/2013 at 11:59 (4,021 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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I just looked at the guy's page on YouTube, I don't think this guy's experiments will lead to great discoveries... I did play once in the backyard with a non-working Bosch dishwasher a friend gave me. But after some investigation, I found the problem, repaired it and it's been back in the kitchen doing the dishes since... | ||
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Post# 673209 , Reply# 44 4/16/2013 at 14:42 (4,021 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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that video is kinda old from the looks of it | ||
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Post# 678697 , Reply# 45 5/11/2013 at 10:14 (3,996 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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