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Mexican Ariel Doble Poder (Double Powder) |
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Post# 674663   4/22/2013 at 14:00 (3,993 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Anyone else seen, or used this stuff?
I've read a few of you mention they took the beloved Phosphates out of Ariel, and some say it's still there, I honestly have no idea though.. I did look at the ingredients list, and it lists "Water Softener" instead of Phosphate. :( Here's some Pics I have.. Front of Bag: i.imgur.com/CpTTAod.jpg... Back of Bag: i.imgur.com/d0qgE8W.jpg... Ingredients/Chemical Listing: i.imgur.com/Y8dgDrw.jpg... To be honest, I really like the performance of it, and Tide with Bleach powder. However, I'd still love to know, if anyone knew if it has STPP, or any other Phosphate still in it. |
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Post# 674701 , Reply# 2   4/22/2013 at 16:00 (3,993 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Mexican Ariel doble poder! I've used it and will keep buying and using it as it is GREAT!!!!! Wonderful cheap powder, better than many "branded" (outside mexico) expensive ones. From what I know even in Mexico and so for mexican powders carried in USA Phosfates have been banned, or comes in a small percentage.... I may be wrong.... I didn't notice differences from the Ariel USA version and mexican Ariel.... Infact the packages stating oxy anillos are older, the graphic also changed now.... www.thelatinproducts.com/laundry-... |
Post# 674719 , Reply# 3   4/22/2013 at 17:40 (3,993 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)   |   | |
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Mich, Doble Poder actually translates into "Double Power". |
Post# 674747 , Reply# 4   4/22/2013 at 19:12 (3,993 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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@Kenmoreguy89 Some Bags of Foca have Phosphate. I've only seen the 1-2kg bags though, the 5kg Bags are all Phosphate Free here.
The Local Mexican Grocer has a amazing Detergent Selection.. Viva, Ace, Ariel, Roma, Foca, Buenas Something, 123?, and a few other ones I can't remember. But just imagine, a whole 20-30 feet or so of a aisle, with nothing but Foreign Detergent. I really wanna try Ariel Total something. It's supposed to be like Tide Total Care, however, if it's Phosphate Free.. maybe I'll stay away. |
Post# 674751 , Reply# 5   4/22/2013 at 19:19 (3,993 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 674894 , Reply# 6   4/23/2013 at 07:02 (3,992 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Just do not know, any size of Foca I've bought and seen lately didn't have phosphates... I've tried all the ones you mentioned I don't recall having seen a Buenas etc... or something recalling that name, that's interesting though...I miss to try Ace and Maestro Limpio powder (The american MrClean, yes in Mexico they have it in polivalent powder to be used for laundry, dishes and general cleaning) and I'm looking to them from awhile, but cannot find them available in retail shops, I especially want to try the Maestro Limpio Lemon scent. |
Post# 674913 , Reply# 7   4/23/2013 at 09:05 (3,992 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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@Kenmore Guy, I promise you there is Foca with Phosphate. I think the company that makes it, makes Roma as well. Now, I've only seen Roma in Phosphate Free form as of late, however, for the longest time I could recall it having Phosphate...
I know Walmart carries Foca (Phosphate Free) form in all there stores, and in select areas "Ariel USA" (also Phosphate Free) however, if I drive down to our International/Mexican (Mix of some Asian/Mexican) Grocery Store I can find Bag after Bag of 500grams,1kg,2kg bags of Foca loaded with 3% Phosphate (by weight). I've attached a pic of a bag. I'm sorry it's Blurry, I'll take another one when I get home. But I just wanted you to see it. Foca with Phosphates is Real :D |
Post# 674915 , Reply# 8   4/23/2013 at 09:09 (3,992 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 674933 , Reply# 9   4/23/2013 at 11:15 (3,992 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I didn't say that they didn't contain phosphates once, just that looks like they're banning or avoiding them even in Mexico so in mexican detergents.... the new bags you can see around are all without them. Mexican bags of Foca are different from ones you can find in USA, they are written completely in spanish and do state: Detergente Bio logico and Bio degradable... I've seen some stating "libre de fosfato" (Phosphate free) for awhile also, then nothing ...... so are they all without phosphates even for mexico now? I assume it is so since they state Bio degradable and had the lable "libre de fosfato" for awhile. You can still find bags with phosphates somewhere though, probably because they still have a big stock of ones ordered before this change, but ones seen lately didn't have phosphates anymore like they used to have..... This post was last edited 04/23/2013 at 12:33 |
Post# 674935 , Reply# 10   4/23/2013 at 11:26 (3,992 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I just found the company website, you can visit the page in spanish, it will show up all the detergents that company produce, if you select english language I notice automatically just show up ones available in USA. Not strange to see a soap making factory making cooking oil also, probably they make their soaps thanks to waste oil from production also, and so from their own made oils, is from oil and fat you get soaps then... they probably do own an establishment for oil extractions so are completely self sufficient.... www.lacorona.com.mx/default.php... |
Post# 674965 , Reply# 11   4/23/2013 at 13:45 (3,992 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Here's your key words. Dodecilbenceno sulfonato de sodio (ingrediente basico).
CLICK HERE TO GO TO beekeyknee's LINK |
Post# 674966 , Reply# 12   4/23/2013 at 13:46 (3,992 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Post# 674967 , Reply# 13   4/23/2013 at 13:48 (3,992 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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But better than this. Maybe #1 is more biodegradable? Possibly a workaround. I like it's performance. The bio in combination with the LAS probably gives the best of both worlds.
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Post# 675073 , Reply# 14   4/23/2013 at 23:08 (3,992 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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The phosphate version are slowly going away. Here in the states anyway.
The Roma, Foca, ect at Walmart are all phosphate free now. I have a Mexican Grocery store not far, that had a few of the phosphate versions, mixed the the new phosphate free. I snagged up a few of the small Foca's (this was last year) Now the same Grocer doesn't have any with phosphates. So Mitch if you want phospahated, you better grab up the one you saw! I once ordered a bag of phosphated Roma over the phone, and asked for the phosphated version. The guy had to go in the back, and found a bag of the old version, and was nice enough to send me that one! Now I use these rarely, as I feel once there gone, that will be the end? |
Post# 675074 , Reply# 15   4/23/2013 at 23:21 (3,992 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Took heat from "tree huggers" and others years ago when Mexican detergents loaded with STPP began showing up in American shops. The makers of Ariel, Foca, Roma, etc.. countered they themselves did not market nor sell directly to places in the US contrary to state bans on phosphates, but rather it was various importers/distributers who were at fault.
For awhile Ariel powder was launched as a USA version (it stank to high heaven with scent), but was quickly withdrawn. This was the first salvo to *capture* the Hispanic American laundry market. This is because market studies found the reason Mexican laundry products were selling well enough in the USA was because Mexicans and others didn't know "Tide" but they sure as heck knew "Ariel, Foca, Roma," that is these housewives and others went for what was familiar. Since US version Ariel fiasco, a new tactic developed; simply remove phosphates from the offending detergents and thus allow them to be sold legally all over the United States. Am sure there are other reasons as well but the looming federal action on phosphates for dishwashing and automatic laundry products probably didn't help. There was also in a round about way shops and detergent makers were making a good amount of money from "Hispanic" detergents (a market that continues to grow in the United States), and didn't want to loose sales. Ariel without STPP is still Ariel to many Hispanic customers and long as they keep buying.... Thing is here in NY there long was a ban on phosphates in laundry detergents. Being as that may K-Sears on Astor Place had a huge selection of the aforementioned Mexician laundry products on sale for ages that were laden with STPP. Last time one checked over a year ago the selection has decreased an all offerings are phosphate free. |
Post# 675170 , Reply# 16   4/24/2013 at 11:16 (3,991 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 675352 , Reply# 17   4/25/2013 at 01:35 (3,990 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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a supermarket today, (well know chain) and noticed the bags of Ariel on the shelf.
Remembering this thread, noticed that the bags looked exactly like the one pictured above, and were extremely scented ( as Laundress has mentioned ) however there was a sticker on the bag with the English translation of the ingredients. Sodiumtripolyphosphate was the third ingredient on the list, along with enzymes. So there out there still on the shelves. Would have bought some, but couldn't handle the the heavy scent. Felt it was all over me, from just handling the bag! |
Post# 675386 , Reply# 18   4/25/2013 at 07:44 (3,990 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Stan, are you sure they were not old bags? That would be nice to know.... I thought stuff or Ariel with STPP was not longer sold or available for the new forms in the USA and mexico (being the same bags sold in Mexico and South America regarding Ariel)...that would change my thoughts if so.
I also wanted to add a few notes about fake ariel bags I did not mention.
Different from this: www.isiahfactor.com/2013/02/04/ti... A Vietnamese Tide Bucket: yinchoon.trustpass.alibaba.com/pr... Here is an example of a A fake Mexican ariel bag produced in china: www.tjskl.org.cn/products-search/... |
Post# 675551 , Reply# 19   4/25/2013 at 23:16 (3,990 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Thanks for all the info!
Next time I'm at that store I'll look closer at the bags. I think they are older, and have been there for a while, and as I say, there is a English translation sticker on all the bags, so I assume that they are legitimate, but I guess ya never know! What made me think they were legitimate, was Laundress' s discription of the scent level of the original Ariel. I've noticed that sometimes, scents that you think are going to be overwelling, end up rinsing away, and are almost gone after drying. Can only hope this is the case with these, if not, I sure wouldn't what to be close the the dryer vents of anyone who uses it LOL |
Post# 675580 , Reply# 20   4/26/2013 at 06:48 (3,989 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Using Ariel or most of the italian detergents and softeners I get a wonderful smell coming out the dryer vent also, same level of scent strongness (normal to me), it's heaven to me when I go out and I can smell the dryer vents mine and of neighbors and or hanged laundry from the people under my apartment or above.
I would never use one of those Free and clear stuff, a detergent should smell good!!!! This post was last edited 04/26/2013 at 12:33 |
Post# 675735 , Reply# 21   4/27/2013 at 01:42 (3,988 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 675754 , Reply# 22   4/27/2013 at 07:44 (3,988 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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@KenmoreGuy, I absloutly love the scent of Ariel. Sadly, since I'm only using 1/4 cup (front loader), by the time everything is out of the dryer, the scent is long gone... Actually, the same happens with everything I use, Tide,All, Downy, Suavitel, even "Downy Unstoppables" can't leave a scent on our clothes :/
I think it's kinda weird, that some say Ariel USA is "discontinued", as it's carried at 5 Walmart's in my area, and restocked over, and over. And yes, I'd say the scent is wonderful, however, the detergent itself looks & preforms a lot like, "Tide Plus Bleach". I'd bet everything that P&G copied the formulation for the Americanized Ariel. Now that I think about it.. I think Lowe's has it too. I think it's just really annoying trying to call P&G from the US, and be told, "I can only give you product information for our American line of Ariel", I don't have any information on Ariel in Mexico, or Philliphines. If only I could call them, up on the phone, and ask them to clarify what the ingrident "Water Softener" is in there product.. My guess is "Sodium Cit rate", a weak water softener made from Lemon Juice, or "Sodium Allumisilcate" = Zeolite, the other horrible water softener that doesn't rinse out well :( These are those times, when you wish you would have learned more Spanish, when you were in School... |
Post# 675757 , Reply# 23   4/27/2013 at 08:28 (3,988 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Do not know exactly the ingrefient as long as they state "water softener" now, regarding Ariel USA I purchased it once on Amazon and found no differenced from the Mexican bag of Ariel as I said....
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Post# 675762 , Reply# 24   4/27/2013 at 09:03 (3,988 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Tried to call both Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico offices.... can't call free from here like is for U.S 1-800 numbers, it's just 4,5 cents euros to call with Skype at a minute... I just tried to call P&G USA 18008798433 toll free and it works for free from here just like I said US toll free does (offices closed today).... This post was last edited 04/27/2013 at 09:24 |
Post# 675765 , Reply# 25   4/27/2013 at 09:14 (3,988 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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But another idea, maybe not so fair and correct crossed my mind as long as I heard the message there is a line for first aid... 5136365117. desperate times call for desperate measures....LOL |
Post# 675901 , Reply# 26   4/27/2013 at 21:31 (3,988 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 676772 , Reply# 27   5/2/2013 at 07:40 (3,983 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 676861 , Reply# 28   5/2/2013 at 17:00 (3,983 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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No for now sorry, didn't manage to call yet, so many things going on, busy at work, works in the house, cat is sick and at the veterinary for a recovery (the baby got a bad allergy reaction to anesthetic during castration surgery, survived luckily, canot even think what I'd have done if it was not), I'm also sick (terrible toothache).
I hope I can do that tomorrow after dentist if I'm able to speak well after that, whatever he will do... I'm also having spanish friends from Madrid visiting here now...just talking about spanish things...LOL I'm a little busy in these days... But we will get things as they're soon. This post was last edited 05/02/2013 at 17:19 |
Post# 679354 , Reply# 29   5/14/2013 at 16:57 (3,971 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Hi all, I'm back, for what concern Ariel I could not call P&G Mexico yet, will do that soon...
I anyway wrote to Jabon la Corona regarding Foca back in April: This is the response I got, I just responded asking if for Mexico is the same so: Re: Informe solicitado de : freddycapuzzo@virgilio.it 14-mag-2013 23:26 Da: Marisa Medina (informes@lacorona.com.mx) A: "freddycapuzzo@virgilio.it" Mr. Capuzzo, Thank you very much for your email and interest. As per your question, we do no longer sell Foca with phosphate. This decision, was due to the fact that most states in the USA issued a new law prohibiting phosphates in detergents. We needed to comply with this new regulation, so all our production now is done without phosphates. If you need more information, please do not hesitate to contact us. Regards, 2013/4/23 Federico Capuzzo Empresa : Ciudad : Olathe Estado : C.P. : Telefono: Comentario : Hi, why don't you make anymore Foca with phosphates for USA market? All the ones I can see around does not have them anymore. Wish I could find some around still having them. Do you still make it in the formula with phosphates? If so where I can buy it in USA? Thanks Federico Capuzzo Usuario conectado desde : (94.38.225.172) Tipo de navegador utilizado : Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 -- Marisa Medina (525) 55 747 45 45 x 1632 International Sales Fábrica de Jabón la Corona, S.A. de C.V. Please consider your environmental responsibilities before printing this e-mail This post was last edited 05/14/2013 at 17:14 |
Post# 679355 , Reply# 30   5/14/2013 at 17:00 (3,971 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 679364 , Reply# 31   5/14/2013 at 18:08 (3,971 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 679372 , Reply# 32   5/14/2013 at 18:29 (3,971 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 681506 , Reply# 33   5/29/2013 at 10:19 (3,956 days old) by mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Stocked up on 4 KG of Foca (with phosphate) Yesterday, plan on buying more & more.
Freddy, any updates from P&G? I was reading another site, a few days ago, and it looks as though P&G stopped printing Fosfato on there detergent bags, a few years ago, as they weren't required to, and they changed the name on the ingredient list to the more vague word "water softener". I really do think, P&G would keep STPP as long as possible, as they did until federal legislation back in 1993 here. I don't believe they'd do it, voluntary.. |
Post# 706086 , Reply# 34   9/29/2013 at 09:41 (3,833 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 706090 , Reply# 35   9/29/2013 at 11:09 (3,833 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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You know....I totally forgot about it!!! You should have remembered me to call...I totally removed that from my mind... That's funny...I was just organizing the many stashes (boxes) placed in the house (BTW I'm the only one that can loose detergents inside the house, I swear I had some more packages of mexican powders including Arcoiris apple scent and do not know where the hell they are now, if you believe please make a prayer to St Anthony for me) anyway, this was to make some space for the 25kg vintage detergents boxes I bought in lot recently....and found in the bottom of one box an old mexican Ariel oxyanillos package with phosphates, unfortunately the bag is old and is leaving blue color on my hand when I touch it.. Anyway.....the mexican Ariel Oxy azul I got recently still don't have phosphates listed..moreover, they're not even anymore the Oxyanillos kind but now are oxy micro esferas, (Oxy micro- spheres)... Speaking of Ariel USA:
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Post# 706116 , Reply# 36   9/29/2013 at 14:08 (3,833 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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I discovered that all it is, is the old un-concentrated Tide + Bleach formulation ;)
They didn't really stop production of it, Walmart is still receiving it from P&G at there distrubution centers, and there restocking it on the shelves (constantly) in my area. The scent, is okay.. It's a little strong, and imo, not as nice as the Blue Bag of Ariel, but, it's the American Tide formulation that I thought I wouldn't find again. It cleans very well (in a top loader) but still, I don't think it comes close to the Phosphate Laden stuff from across the boarder ;) |
Post# 706118 , Reply# 37   9/29/2013 at 14:15 (3,833 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Arcoiris at a Wal-Mart in my area, once, haven't been back to that store, but they carried it.
I was told by the P&G rep that the packaging was modified, to list (Water Softeners) instead of Phosphates due to requests from retailers & distributors . I guess they didn't want Consumers to know that Phosphates were still in the Product.. Anyhow, I feel better about my Ariel Stash ;) |