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An Unusual Find...Vintage Kenmore Range Hood
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Post# 675223   4/24/2013 at 15:53 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Along with the Kenmore dryer I found last Sunday, I also came across this Sears Kenmore Range Hood Mod # 850.5456721. I called Sears in the vain attempt to find replacement filters (four), but no dice. He did tell me it was manufactured in 1987 by the Whirlpool corporation.  





Post# 675225 , Reply# 1   4/24/2013 at 15:56 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
The "Beast" is surprisingly heavy...

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...and well built for being a product of the late '80's. When I first saw it I thought it was late '60's, early '70's. I guess it was designed back then. 

 

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Post# 675226 , Reply# 2   4/24/2013 at 15:57 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Yep, that decorative strip lights up...

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Post# 675228 , Reply# 3   4/24/2013 at 15:58 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
3 cheers for faux wood!

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Post# 675232 , Reply# 4   4/24/2013 at 16:02 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Yikes, this has NOT been cleaned in many years!

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And he's a big boy, 42 inches wide. My 1965 Slattery is 36 inches. Oddly enough, the cut out for the range hood in my kitchen is 44 inches wide. An easy fit. 

 

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Post# 675234 , Reply# 5   4/24/2013 at 16:04 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
One of the FOUR filters...

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So far I've tried, ammonia, engine degreaser and Easy Off. With limited success.  

 

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Post# 675236 , Reply# 6   4/24/2013 at 16:08 (4,011 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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So it's not an external venting one?
I pretty dislike these indoor ones, I think they're worth nothing..... still nice for places where outside venting isn't possible though.


Post# 675237 , Reply# 7   4/24/2013 at 16:11 (4,011 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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For the grease dirt things, are they stainless??? If  they're and are  not alluminum, I'd go out buy a box of washing soda, let it soak overnight in very hot water, soda and  a good degeaser solution or ammonia, then give a run in the dishwasher heavy soil cycle...

That's what I would try to do.... most of  today's degreasers usually fail, at least for me....


Post# 675239 , Reply# 8   4/24/2013 at 16:15 (4,011 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Ultramatic try boiling them in a tall pot like a turkey fryer. arthur

Post# 675240 , Reply# 9   4/24/2013 at 16:20 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Although ideal, no exterior venting is possible for my kitch

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...so you have to use these types of hoods. The other 2 filters are aluminum, and the remaining 2 seem to be made of steel. Will try your baking soda approach...thanks! 


Post# 675242 , Reply# 10   4/24/2013 at 16:23 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
...try boiling them in a tall pot...

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Another great idea...thanks Arthur!


Post# 675248 , Reply# 11   4/24/2013 at 16:40 (4,011 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Good for you! It's a nice hood, surely better of one's of today ventless ones, of course!!!!

I hope my suggestion would help you, not sure if you confused or you understand baking soda but I said washing soda, baking soda would not do much as washing soda would in this case, even though many people do that with baking soda also,  but being yours a particular thick aged and guess built up in several years layer ...washing soda/sal soda indeed really would be the only solution  as it is a way more powerful degreaser than baking soda!

Just DO NOT use washing soda in Alluminum ones only in stainless ones.... washing soda will damage allunminum as it will oxidate it!
Boiling them or soak in a very hot solution of water and soda may be the key, just thought you didn't have a that large pot but if you have that would be wonderful to boil in soda and water, otherwise just pour hot water in you sink and let the soak.
Good luck!




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Post# 675256 , Reply# 12   4/24/2013 at 17:12 (4,011 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Ultramatic. I think the front panel lights up on your hood too. Should look very nice @ night. I suggested boiling in water only. Is there activated charcoal in the filters? I would be cautious with the chemicals. Boil, drip dry, and maybe a nice slow bake on foil at about 250. alr

Post# 675266 , Reply# 13   4/24/2013 at 17:39 (4,011 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I'm betting on charcoal also. If you shake them you may be able to hear it.

Post# 675274 , Reply# 14   4/24/2013 at 18:06 (4,011 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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My parents have one very similar.  Vented, variable speed, dual squirrel-cage blowers, filter is a u-shaped wrap-around affair.  The front panel is backlit when the fluorescent light is on except around the controls where your unit is woodgrain.  I cannot place exactly when it was bought but likely was within a couple years of 1975 ... to match the KDI-17a which had a stainless steel panel.  It was moved along when we bought a different house in the early 1980s (per this picture, which was taken in Sept 2001).


Post# 675275 , Reply# 15   4/24/2013 at 18:07 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Federico!

 

@ Arthur/cuffs. I think you are both right, these filters do seem to be charcoal.

 

I do have a large pot, so they're all getting boiled tonight!

 

 


Post# 675277 , Reply# 16   4/24/2013 at 18:11 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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@ DADoES, hmmm, if your hood was from the '70's, mine has to be older. The Sears rep must had been wrong dating my hood to 1987. 


Post# 675280 , Reply# 17   4/24/2013 at 18:32 (4,011 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
That's Wayyyy Older....

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....Than 1987. My copy of the Fall/Winter, 1975 Big Book shows basically the same hood, already updated with black glass-look plastic replacing your white panel, and the Ye Olde Fayke Woode Graine accent omitted. It's just like the one DADoES shows in his pic.

Never mind what the rep said - you can still get filters for this unit. Filters Fast is a company specializing in HTF filters for range hoods, and they even have trim-to-fit charcoal filters that should work with this unit.

BTW, the purpose of the charcoal filter is to help eliminate cooking odors, so replacing them will make your cooking much more pleasant. It also serves as a fine filter for grease, trapping particles that can get through the mesh filters.

Here's a link:


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Post# 675315 , Reply# 18   4/24/2013 at 20:42 (4,011 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Thanks for the link Sandy!

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I will most definitely contact them. The secondary filter is indeed a charcoal one. I was wondering, would it be possible to simply refill it with fresh charcoal? BTW, the primary mesh filters are boiling away. 

 

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Post# 675337 , Reply# 19   4/24/2013 at 23:09 (4,011 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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These were pretty good quality hoods, we had a very similar one, best thing about these is they had a florescent light instead of the usual inefficient incandescent light bulbs. This hood was NOT made by Whirlpool, in fact I don't think that WP ever made range hoods themselves.


Post# 675399 , Reply# 20   4/25/2013 at 08:42 (4,010 days old) by washer111 ()        
Great!

Based on those filters, it appears they either were never cleaned, or were cleaned and filtered too good. If the filter is charcoal, then I imagine you could get a "refill" or get one custom made.

When we first moved in to our current house, we had to soak the three filters on our smaller RobinHood (3 speed, Burned out lights) for 12 hours in an Ammonia bath and then do some serious scrubbing. Subsequent washes after serious usage (some months later) seemed to help - so maybe you want to run so cooking steam through it too, clean the motor and give it some oil

 

I can testify to modern hoods being hugely inferior to models just a decade or less older. The old RobinHood in our house moved MORE air (with less noise) on Low/Medium and was Gale-Force on high (just as loud) - even with dirty filters. The new Westinghouse, which blows in your face (not into the ceiling), is loud: no-matter what the speed and couldn't move air to save its life. There is NO suction from the "filter" (more like a fly-screen mesh) even on high, whereas old Robin could do that on low. This new one even has TWO separate fans. Fat load of good that does...

 

But for all intents and purposes, that hood likes like a winner. Certainly not feature laden (You could get Electronic Touch RobinHood 2000's back in the 1980s), but I'll bet that thing does it job and quite well to boot.

The link below shows a RobinHood 3000, ours was something like a 1000, IIRC, but this one is fairly similar

 



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Post# 675465 , Reply# 21   4/25/2013 at 16:09 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Boy that Sears rep sure got EVERYTHING wrong on this hood. So I'm going back to my original assessment that the hood is really from the late '60's, early '70's.

 

@washer111 I opened the hood up even further today, grease build up is even WORSE than I thought. Will post pictures. Also, I'm going to try and power it up. The blower fans move freely, so I'm inclined to believe the motor is fine.   


Post# 675513 , Reply# 22   4/25/2013 at 18:50 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Some more pictures...

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Post# 675515 , Reply# 23   4/25/2013 at 18:51 (4,010 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Louie:

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What I like to do on stuff like this is to completely disassemble, clean each part, and then reassemble.

You'll end up with a like-new unit. Bit of a PITA, but worth it in the long run. That's a damn nice hood, even if it is ventless - it's well worth some effort.


Post# 675516 , Reply# 24   4/25/2013 at 18:52 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
I'm gonna' need more ammonia...

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Post# 675517 , Reply# 25   4/25/2013 at 18:54 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
a LOT more...

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That's one of the charcoal filters on the right, stuck tight with all the grease. YUK. 

 

 

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Post# 675518 , Reply# 26   4/25/2013 at 18:55 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Even the fans are caked...

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Post# 675520 , Reply# 27   4/25/2013 at 18:56 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Will it light? Tonight is the test.

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Post# 675521 , Reply# 28   4/25/2013 at 18:59 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
That's what I'm planning to do Sandy...

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Completely disassemble and clean every inch of it. Laughing


Post# 675528 , Reply# 29   4/25/2013 at 19:59 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
And it works!

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Fans are a bit squeaky though.
 





Post# 675533 , Reply# 30   4/25/2013 at 20:42 (4,010 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Hopefully:

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A little lubrication will resolve the squeak.



Post# 675537 , Reply# 31   4/25/2013 at 21:06 (4,010 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
KM Range Hood

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Sorry to tell you Louie, but that fan motor is not worth any further effort, it has seriously worn bearings.

 

I found the correct timer knob and dial for your WP portable dryer yesterday and boxed it up today and will send it out tomorrow.


Post# 675546 , Reply# 32   4/25/2013 at 22:51 (4,010 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks John, I'll keep an eye out for it. Bummer about the motor on the hood. I'll just have to replace the motor, this hood is just too good to toss. 


Post# 675558 , Reply# 33   4/26/2013 at 01:08 (4,010 days old) by westingman123 ()        
Oooooh!

Jealous much.

Post# 675642 , Reply# 34   4/26/2013 at 13:55 (4,009 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
850. prefix

indicates a Whirlpool (Chambers) sourced product. Sounds like Sears got it through Whirlpool, but it was made by Chambers.

Post# 675658 , Reply# 35   4/26/2013 at 15:40 (4,009 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Thanks Tom!

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Now to look for information on Chambers range hoods!Smile


Post# 675692 , Reply# 36   4/26/2013 at 19:32 (4,009 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
850 Prefix

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Yes this may have come in as a Chambers Product, but this hood was made long before WP had anything to do with any Chambers products, but I guess it can now be considered a WP product by default.


Post# 675703 , Reply# 37   4/26/2013 at 19:58 (4,009 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Louie....I was thinking something like PURPLE cleaner would knock out that grease...

Post# 675713 , Reply# 38   4/26/2013 at 21:00 (4,009 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Believe that Chambers = Rangeaire

Post# 675738 , Reply# 39   4/27/2013 at 02:28 (4,009 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Interesting development...

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I used an even stronger degreaser today and found that it actually started to strip the paint on the inside of the hood. Under the paint it's nice and shiny stainless steel. Soooooo, I thought why not buy a paint stripper and leave it all in stainless. Would this be a good idea? Or should I just repaint it? 

 

@ yogi, I've heard of Purple, if this new stuff conks out, I'll give it a try.

 

@ Jamie, Thanks for the info!

 



Post# 675772 , Reply# 40   4/27/2013 at 09:56 (4,008 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Interesting Development

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These Range Hood s were available in a SS finish, but unless someone bought a SS one and painted it what you are seeing is not SS [ if if was a SS hood that was painted the outside finish would have a grained appearance ] That said bare steel is shinny like SS and I have seen people strip things like old steel radiator covers polish and add light grain to them and then you must clear-coat them immediately to keep them from rusting. How successful this all depends on how good the bare steel looks when you get it all stripped, many times the bare steel looks blotchy and uneven in color and no amount of cleaning and adding grain makes it look great.


Post# 675795 , Reply# 41   4/27/2013 at 11:28 (4,008 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hmmm, then I guess it will remain painted. Seems like too much work for something that may not look right in the end. The section where the paint lifted is a small panel that covers the access to the filters. I'll just completely strip and repaint it.  Thanks John. 


Post# 675796 , Reply# 42   4/27/2013 at 11:35 (4,008 days old) by coldspot ()        

Ok the filter I had this same problem. Tru vaule had or might still have a make your own. You use the frame and cut it to fit. Also this site looks to do the same. Mine is a Miami-Carey darn hard to find parts.

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Post# 682194 , Reply# 43   6/2/2013 at 22:21 (3,972 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
A small update:

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I finally went back to the range hood today (yes, yes, the Kenmore washer is waiting...I got all the parts in already, and the Toastmaster fan is waiting too). I started to dismantle it for cleaning. To my dismay, some of the painted parts are peeling/chipping when I scrub. Sooo, long story short, I'm just going to strip the parts and repaint them. What paint should I use?  It must be durable to withstand heat and cleaning. Rust-Oleum or perhaps something else?


Post# 682203 , Reply# 44   6/2/2013 at 23:15 (3,972 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

If you really want the paint to last, then strip the hood and take it to an autobody shop and have them shoot it in a modern two part urethane finish. Rustoleum and other rattle-can paints are old lacquer type products that air dry rather then curing via a chemical reaction; they will not hold up like urethane.


Post# 747202 , Reply# 45   4/2/2014 at 22:23 (3,668 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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So I decided to finish the Kenmore hood first before I do the Slattery/Caloric switch. I've finally completely disassembled it and started to clean the layer upon layer of grease and grime. I'm using DEP oven cleaner, with some success. But it is taking multiple applications and as I mentioned earlier, it is lifting off the factory paint. I've decided to leave it on bare metal. It actually looks better than the paint anyway. So it won't rust, I want to apply something clear, but is also resistant to high heat and repeated cleanings. Any ideas?

 

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Removing the motor

 

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Under the hood. YUK!

 

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After 3 applications of cleaner, STILL greasy.

 

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The exterior after 3 cleanings and some Bar Keepers Friend


Post# 747239 , Reply# 46   4/3/2014 at 02:31 (3,668 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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The final layer of grease in this section...

 

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One of the two fans:

 

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Fan removed, motor looks surprisingly clean.

 

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Twin fan shrouds.

 

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I think that black grime is what's left of the foam gasket used to seal the duct to the body of the hood.

 

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Post# 747250 , Reply# 47   4/3/2014 at 05:36 (3,667 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

No that black grime is from the unit being used a lot when cooking esp when a lot of steam and grease is being sucked in. I have to take mine apart every 1 to 2 years and clean the fans. Just remove the fans, just a little set screw needs to be back out a little, remove the fans, screw the set screw in all the way put them in the dishwasher and come out looking like new.
Jon


Post# 747258 , Reply# 48   4/3/2014 at 06:38 (3,667 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Louie:

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These Sears hoods in stainless had the painted finish underneath to cut down on glare and weird reflections from the hood light. Sears being Sears, it was probably cheaper to do it this way than it was to put a brushed finish on the underside.

It was something like a silver hammertone finish, without the "hammered" effect.

So, the painted area underneath is the way it came originally.


Post# 747376 , Reply# 49   4/3/2014 at 18:52 (3,667 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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No dishwasher yet Jon. Waiting to find a Kitchenaid KDS-58. Thanks for the tip. I used a brush and the fans came out fine.

 

 


Post# 747378 , Reply# 50   4/3/2014 at 18:57 (3,667 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks Sandy, may not even bother to clear coat the area. It's not perfect, but know one will know.


Post# 747431 , Reply# 51   4/3/2014 at 22:10 (3,667 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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So I checked the blower motor to see if oil would quiet it down. Oddly enough, when I tried it out, it ran quiet. Perhaps the noise (see reply # 29) was being caused by something else? Or maybe because there is no load, the bearings are running quieter? The vid is from before I oiled it.

 

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Post# 747452 , Reply# 52   4/4/2014 at 00:31 (3,667 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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After some oiling running much quieter.

 





Post# 747495 , Reply# 53   4/4/2014 at 07:00 (3,666 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Range Hood Fan Motor

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Hi Louis, I think with all the work you are putting in that RH I would be looking for a new fan motor, that one does not sound good, the oil is only muffling worn-out bearings, for a while.

Keep us posted, John L.


Post# 747501 , Reply# 54   4/4/2014 at 07:24 (3,666 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
I'll Second John!

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Louie:

With all the work you're putting in, just masking that worn bearing sound is going to cause more grief later on.

With new motors or rebuilding of the old ones, the old girl will be ready for another 40 years. Or longer, because you'll take care of it.


Post# 747590 , Reply# 55   4/4/2014 at 14:01 (3,666 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Funny, my dad said the same thing this morning. The motor is a goner. after a quick search online, not seeing much out there that is compatible so far. Thanks guys.


Post# 747618 , Reply# 56   4/4/2014 at 15:49 (3,666 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Here's a Clue:

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Those motors were made by Leece-Neville in Gainesville, GA. Leece-Neville is now a division of Prestolite. The Gainesville operation, according to Wikipedia, was shuttered and moved to Arcade, NY.

Here is a link to the Prestolite Leece-Neville page. You might try contacting them for a distributor, who in turn can be contacted for a retail source, or for info on who might be able to advise you on an equivalent motor. Don't try asking Prestolite to sell you a motor direct, because they probably won't.

Just FYI, those were quality motors. Too bad they were run un-oiled and dirty for so long.

www.prestolite.com/pgs_contact/co...


Post# 747622 , Reply# 57   4/4/2014 at 16:32 (3,666 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks Sandy, much obliged. Smile


Post# 747649 , Reply# 58   4/4/2014 at 18:08 (3,666 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Louie:

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Hope something pans out here.

That is way too nice a hood to be scrapped. I'd love to find something like that myself.


Post# 747664 , Reply# 59   4/4/2014 at 19:28 (3,666 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I was wondering, if it is the bearings, how difficult would it be to replace them?


Post# 747665 , Reply# 60   4/4/2014 at 19:42 (3,666 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Try This:

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Give Seaboard Marine Electric Co. a call and see what they say. They're in Brooklyn, on 14th near 3rd Ave.

Here's a link:

www.sbmarine.com/...

This was a Google lookup; I don't know anything about them. But the page makes it look like they can either handle this, or tell you who can.


Post# 747668 , Reply# 61   4/4/2014 at 19:46 (3,666 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks again Sandy! Smile


Post# 747714 , Reply# 62   4/5/2014 at 01:17 (3,666 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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While I get the motor sorted out, I decided to continue cleaning the rest of the hood. I was very reluctant to clean the faux wood with the Sears Kenmore logo. So I used dish washing liquid and warm water with a sponge thinking it would be mild enough.  It got rid of the grease and grime, along with the paint on the raised letters and it began to lighten the faux wood. See post #3 to see how it originally looked. Frown

 

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Ok, here is my attack plan, contact paper over the faux wood, and a paint pen to repaint the lettering. I have very steady hands, so I have been told, so I think it can come out pretty decent. Unless anyone has a better idea?

 

 


Post# 747722 , Reply# 63   4/5/2014 at 05:38 (3,665 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Check out the Broan website. The motor and blower assembly look identical to the one that you have. I replaced mine a few years ago and might have to do it again soon.
Jon


Post# 747754 , Reply# 64   4/5/2014 at 09:45 (3,665 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)        
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grainger.com will have that motor.

Post# 747818 , Reply# 65   4/5/2014 at 13:54 (3,665 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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That's a neat find, Louie - I don't see many vent hoods that survived those years, so you know you have something special . I like this one, also posted sometime ago on aw.org.

I'm watching this thread, so can't wait to see how it turns out. .


Post# 747900 , Reply# 66   4/5/2014 at 18:54 (3,665 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE 36" Range Hood

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Now you are talking Phil, that GE hood is actually something that would be worth restoring and using.

Post# 747962 , Reply# 67   4/5/2014 at 22:46 (3,665 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks guys, will look into those sites!


Post# 747963 , Reply# 68   4/5/2014 at 22:48 (3,665 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Phil. And you're right, never seen one like this before. Seems vintage hoods get tossed. Not many out there.


Post# 747999 , Reply# 69   4/6/2014 at 02:03 (3,665 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
"Vintage Hoods Tossed":

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Forgot about the Copper Newtone (though it really may have been a Broan) that I'd acquired years ago from a doctor, whose office I was cleaning out, which after an attempt to hang it over my mom's range, threw out...

Just to probably get turned into the car I'm driving now...!


-- Dave


Post# 748002 , Reply# 70   4/6/2014 at 02:09 (3,665 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well the cleaning is done on the body of the hood. I decided to primer and paint the entire underside after all. 

 

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I just wiped the I.D. tag with water.

 

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Post# 748260 , Reply# 71   4/6/2014 at 23:04 (3,664 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
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Duct after cleaning. To be honest it was already rusty. Another candidate for stripping, primer and paint.

 

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The light/control bar is in fair shape. Really dirty and some heat damage. It seems it was directly over the 2 front burners, so it got the brunt of the heat and splatter.

 

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Post# 748396 , Reply# 72   4/7/2014 at 10:23 (3,663 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
You know the previous owners could read

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as they followed the directions on the plate to a tee. (snicker-snicker)

This is going to look great - are you planning to use it with the Caloric or do you have something else in mind, Louie?


Post# 748423 , Reply# 73   4/7/2014 at 12:17 (3,663 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Oh yes, the hood is for the Caloric. That's why I slowed down work on the Caloric in order to finish and install the hood first before I make the switch.

 

I can't imagine cleaning the fan "frequently". Not fun to remove, let alone clean.


Post# 748793 , Reply# 74   4/9/2014 at 01:25 (3,662 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well I'm done cleaning the light bar/control panel. It has some issues but it's presentable.

 

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There is some light rust where the chrome finish has worn off. Thankfully it won't be seen once it's securely installed.

 

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Post# 748794 , Reply# 75   4/9/2014 at 01:59 (3,662 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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The knobs came out nice 'n shiny.

 

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Post# 749615 , Reply# 76   4/12/2014 at 21:21 (3,658 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I am no connoisseur of wood grain, but what do you think?

 

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Close enough?

 

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They're the closest I have been able to find so far.


Post# 749634 , Reply# 77   4/12/2014 at 23:03 (3,658 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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ARe you adding adhesive backed wood veneer? There are all kinds of wood grains available for that and if so, well...the original looks like a wide-spaced curly grain or maybe it's just a straight grain. That straight grain sample on top is closer than the narrow grain below.



Post# 749637 , Reply# 78   4/12/2014 at 23:15 (3,658 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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No, it's actually con-tact paper Phil. I'm not sure how resistant wood veneer would be to all the heat and grease.


Post# 749639 , Reply# 79   4/12/2014 at 23:22 (3,658 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

A scrap piece of wood grained Formica would be your best option,  I think wood veneer with some poly on it will hold up better than contact paper.

 

 

 

Looking good!


Post# 749780 , Reply# 80   4/13/2014 at 16:20 (3,657 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Formica and wood veneer are great options, but where could I find scrap Formica? Now the veneer is doable. That I am going to look into.

 

Thanks Matt!


Post# 750228 , Reply# 81   4/15/2014 at 09:48 (3,655 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Gotta' be contact paper. Formica or wood veneer would be too thick. The center tag would be recessed.


Post# 750322 , Reply# 82   4/15/2014 at 15:22 (3,655 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
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I just quickly looked at Amazon, Louie - and they have burled and straight grain wood contact paper...it's flexible, not wood - I like this burl but you can peruse and decide what you prefer.

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Post# 751573 , Reply# 83   4/21/2014 at 01:09 (3,650 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I haven't forgotten this. I am currently reinforcing the upper cabinets. I noticed there was a 1/4 inch gap between the ceiling and the front of the cabinets. The rear is fine though. So some heavy duty "L" brackets and concrete screws is taking care of the problem. Once this is done, it's full steam ahead with the hood, then stove and finally the fridge.




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Post# 804561 , Reply# 84   1/17/2015 at 09:08 (3,378 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Just curious….

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Where are you in these projects, now? Any finished enough for photos to show off your handiwork?

Post# 804634 , Reply# 85   1/17/2015 at 20:51 (3,378 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Not yet. I'm still catching up with other stuff. BUT this week I finally start again. Stay tuned!


Post# 804713 , Reply# 86   1/18/2015 at 08:33 (3,377 days old) by searsbest (Attleboro, Ma)        
kenmore range hood

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My parents had one of these growing up it was coppertone, always thought the illuminated front was cool its demise was the fluorescent ballast failing

Post# 804783 , Reply# 87   1/18/2015 at 17:54 (3,377 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Louie -

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Ok, standing by! Never a shortage of projects, is there?

Post# 806803 , Reply# 88   1/30/2015 at 23:19 (3,365 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well I am done with the upper cabinets. Just painted the underside of the hood with high temperature paint. Pictures to follow.


Post# 806837 , Reply# 89   1/31/2015 at 06:51 (3,364 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Good hood! (Probably just need a few coats of VARNISH!)

 

 

-- Dave


Post# 806983 , Reply# 90   2/1/2015 at 01:43 (3,364 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Test fit.

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Only the shell of the hood is being used to locate bore holes correctly. When it was removed or should I say, yanked from it's former home, some of the panels are a bit off. Easy fix.

 

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I'm only using 2 screws to hold up the front, hence the gap. That will be corrected with a couple of screws.

 

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Post# 807342 , Reply# 91   2/2/2015 at 16:28 (3,362 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Getting ready for the final install. I removed the mosaic tile from behind where the hood will be. I will use the salvaged tiles in other areas. The tiles where installed back in 1967.

 

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Post# 807344 , Reply# 92   2/2/2015 at 16:34 (3,362 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Junction box, blowers and vent installed. The vent and blowers were not painted since they will be hidden. But they were certainly cleaned. New foam was also installed from blowers to vent surround.

 

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Post# 807345 , Reply# 93   2/2/2015 at 16:36 (3,362 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I just noticed I installed the blower motor backwards. DOH!

 

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Post# 807354 , Reply# 94   2/2/2015 at 18:04 (3,362 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Blower Installed Backwards

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Louie that reminded me of when we were having Sears install a complete new kitchen in our house in 1966. The hood was very similar to the one you are restoring except it was vented up through the cabinet, the installer commented that we finally got a quite one. After they left for the day one of my brothers noticed that the blower assembly was installed blowing to the rear, so we turned it around and pointed out to the installer the next day that the fan was not all that quite LOL.

 

After a few years of constantly replacing the two incandescent light bulbs every few months I modified the hood to hold a 24" florescent light bulb and never replaced the bulb again till I redid the kitchen in 1988 [ I also cut the power consumption down to 1/4 the former usage ].


Post# 813553 , Reply# 95   3/12/2015 at 03:43 (3,324 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well I reinstalled the motor, so now it will suck correctly. I finished putting the new contact paper on the hood. I still need to paint the raised lettering. After that is done, I'll spray clear lacquer on it for protection. 

 

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Post# 813603 , Reply# 96   3/12/2015 at 13:31 (3,324 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Good job Louie, so far…even if you reversed that motor(have done worse, in my experiences, lol). Did you remove contact paper to the left of the wood grain contact-vinyl/paper? Is that white with star pattern available for replacement or is that a metal panel you'll be reapplying?


JohnL- funny story about the reversed motor. %^p


Post# 813614 , Reply# 97   3/12/2015 at 13:45 (3,324 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Phil. That wasn't contact paper to the left of the wood grain. It was a plastic diffuser for the work light. It's in great shape. I will be reinstalling it tonight. Getting close to the finish line.


Post# 813717 , Reply# 98   3/13/2015 at 02:10 (3,324 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Closer and closer...

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First power up, everything is working as it should. I tried to paint the raised lettering but it was next to impossible to do a neat job. So I left it as is. I sprayed clear lacquer over the contact paper though.

 

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Post# 813738 , Reply# 99   3/13/2015 at 06:42 (3,323 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Louie, it's looking good. It's not easy to just paint lettering without masking it off. But it looks good anyways.
One more question - this is 42" and your space is 44"? So your vent is really an inch over the edge of your stove if it's a 40 inch Caloric, right? If so, once you get this completed, could you take a photo of the stove and hood face-on, too? (if you have room in your kitchen). Nice job.


Post# 813751 , Reply# 100   3/13/2015 at 08:37 (3,323 days old) by ken (NYS)        
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You can do the lettering with an ink roller (brayer). They are available in varying widths. I use them to restore vintage license plates. Even though the lettering you need to do is much smaller the principle would be the same. You don't want the paint too thin or too thick. Don't use too much pressure. I don't imagine it would be necessary to make more than one pass to do those letters but if it were let the first coat dry before doing the second.

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Post# 813802 , Reply# 101   3/13/2015 at 13:59 (3,323 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Phil! The hood measures 41 3/4" wide. The width of the space above the hood is 44". The range is 36". I could have had a 40" range and still have space left over. Unfortunately, the kitchen is too narrow for me to take a full front on picture. I am hoping to finish the hood tonight.


Post# 813803 , Reply# 102   3/13/2015 at 14:03 (3,323 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Wow Ken, thanks! I should had thought of that. Even though the tag looks OK as is, I would had preferred for it to be painted. Now here's the rub. It's been lacquered. Would the ink still adhere to it?


Post# 813805 , Reply# 103   3/13/2015 at 14:14 (3,323 days old) by ken (NYS)        

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Well the clear lacquer is nothing but a clear paint so I don't see why the paint you would use for the lettering wouldn't stick. To be sure though you could very carefully roughen the surface of the letters with a fine sandpaper.

Post# 813807 , Reply# 104   3/13/2015 at 14:18 (3,323 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks again Ken, I will definitely try this!


Post# 813810 , Reply# 105   3/13/2015 at 14:29 (3,323 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Scan the lettering. Cut out around the letters. Attach with museum clay(it comes off easily) or use a rubber glue that will come off by rolling your fingers around it. But you could make this mask, use that roller(good idea Ken) and prevent any over-paint around the lettering. It might be more work or difficult in concept, but the idea of making a mask would keep the paint on the letters. Maybe someone else can clarify this idea or come up with another similar. It might be easy to just roll it on, lightly, and remove anything with an artist charcoal paper stumps. Just some ideas. I'm sure you'll get it to work, Louie - and you can always sandpaper the lettering or rough it up with a fine nail file(cheap-o paper ones).


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Post# 813830 , Reply# 106   3/13/2015 at 17:19 (3,323 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Gulp! That's sounds a bit too complicated for me Phil. I will try the brayer method, if that doesn't pan out, it stays as a clear tag. Thanks anyway Phil!


Post# 813831 , Reply# 107   3/13/2015 at 17:23 (3,323 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Understand, Louie…but cheering you on.

Post# 813999 , Reply# 108   3/14/2015 at 21:47 (3,322 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Testing dual, squirrel cage fans. Runs well, 2 speeds. Next will be installing the filters and the cover.

 




 

 


Post# 814158 , Reply# 109   3/16/2015 at 05:44 (3,320 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Installed the charcoal and mesh filters. Eventually they will be replaced with new ones. Painted and installed the filter/motor cap. One thing left to do, paint the letters and it's done.

 

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Post# 814165 , Reply# 110   3/16/2015 at 06:48 (3,320 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Louie, these may be impossible to find for an older hood, but you can usually open up one end and just replace the charcoal granules and they will be as good as new, to really keep these filters effective you need to do this at least once a year and maybe every 3 months.


Post# 814253 , Reply# 111   3/16/2015 at 15:35 (3,320 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I thought of refilling the charcoal eventually. The aluminum filters are a bit beat up but serviceable for now.  See you next Saturday John!


Post# 814365 , Reply# 112   3/16/2015 at 23:49 (3,320 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I give up. No technique I have tried gave me satisfactory results. The problem is those damn letters are so slightly embossed on that aluminum tag, it's virtually impossible to do a neat job. I tried the brayer, a small stamp and a paint pen.  I used different consistencies of ink. I used the lightest touch. Nope. So, that's it, it stays as is.


Post# 814368 , Reply# 113   3/17/2015 at 00:28 (3,320 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
It's finished...finally

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After almost two years, It's been totally disassembled, cleaned, painted, polished and put back into service.  One less hood that had to be manufactured.

 

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Post# 814418 , Reply# 114   3/17/2015 at 08:31 (3,319 days old) by ken (NYS)        
Very Nice Louie

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Sorry to hear the brayer didn't work but I can see how the letters would be difficult. Not only one less hood that had to be made but one saved from the scrap heap too.

Post# 814455 , Reply# 115   3/17/2015 at 11:34 (3,319 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Ken!


Post# 814457 , Reply# 116   3/17/2015 at 11:40 (3,319 days old) by ken (NYS)        

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Use it in good health!

Post# 814468 , Reply# 117   3/17/2015 at 12:18 (3,319 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Very very nice, Louie(applause)

Post# 814490 , Reply# 118   3/17/2015 at 15:01 (3,319 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks again Ken, and thank you Phil!

 

Now it's Ultramatic time!


Post# 814499 , Reply# 119   3/17/2015 at 15:34 (3,319 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        
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it looks better without painted lettering..great work. I wish our apartment, and even more so the guy below us, had a hood for the stove. Thank god he doesn't smoke. Apparently there are no laws regarding this in NYC. In a gut rehab it would be high on the list of to do's around here.
Getting grease out of that mesh is murder. I second the charcoal refill idea. Also perhaps the mesh can be bought and cut to fit. I think buying replacements gets pricey if i recall correctly.


Post# 814504 , Reply# 120   3/17/2015 at 15:54 (3,319 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks! I think it looks better too. One thing about the paint for the lettering, it seemed way too "black". The older paint seemed to be a more grayish black, perhaps due to age. Anyhow, while many in this building have hoods, they are all interior venting.Sometimes you get the "aroma" of frying fish or garlic.

 

Grease, oh God, don't remind me. That was the most time consuming, messy and difficult task done. These things were NOT designed to keep clean easily. So many nooks and crannies and SHARP edges! The only thing that helped remove the grease was ZEP degreaser. And of course a lot of scrubbing. Thankfully, I don't fry much, so a major cleaning won't be in the cards for the next 12 months or so.


Post# 815249 , Reply# 121   3/23/2015 at 00:42 (3,314 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Just when I thought I was done.

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The fluorescent light has developed a loud humming sound.  It's currently using a T8 bulb. As far as I can tell, it is still using the original magnetic ballast. I plan to replace it with a new electronic ballast. Should I also replace the starter? 

 

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Post# 815254 , Reply# 122   3/23/2015 at 01:31 (3,314 days old) by washer111 ()        
@Ultramatic

You might want to try running a T12 if you can find it.

Due to the age of the unit, it might simply be thats the sort of bulb it prefers. There isn't much difference in energy use between T8 and T12, or between ballasts. The only difference is the Mercury content of the bulbs, the T12's have more, which can make the starting easier.


Post# 815278 , Reply# 123   3/23/2015 at 06:59 (3,313 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Humming Ballast

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I am not sure how easily you will find an electronic ballast to replace your orignal ballast, I would just replace the ballast with a new magnetic one, these are normally almost silent, but if some of the iron lamenations get loose they can become quite noisy.



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