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Post# 677578   5/5/2013 at 23:44 (4,001 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I currently have a Miele washer W1986. There is nothing currently wrong with this machine but I have had it since 2003. One repair(one year ago) which was replacement of corroded fill valves due to hard water. Cost was about $170 dollars including part and labor.

After reading continuous articles about current day washers with their Energy Star saving 110f hot washes and low voltage heaters, infective rinsing, plastic outter tubs, slimy smells, and even seeing videos of new TLs I am feeling a type of panic. What will I do if I need a new washer? I don't want todays dumbed down temperatures, I don't want chlorine bleach to touch anything I wear, I don't want todays low water levels, I don't want to ever replace my machine but if I have to what will I do?

Again there is nothing wrong with my machine but it was built in the year 2000, purchased is 2003, and has now been in use 10 years. I am able to get anything thing I toss into it clean and rinsed even if I have to use a temperature close to 200F, and i can do this in a cycle that takes less than 50 minutes or I can opt for a longer Euro style wash that takes 1 hour and 45 minutes or more depending on load size. Regardless of my choice everything is cleaned and well rinsed.

The Miele Little Giants(PW6065) are single phase 208-240v machines with similar and more options than my current machine(slightly larger at 6.5K) and are stated to have a bearing life of 25,000 hours(not sure how many years this is). I think I already have this electric line running to my W1986.

Not interested in a dryer just the washer.

If you had the money to buy this washer would you do it? Would you do it thinking that in the future it might not be offered for this price or with these options so you better get it while you can?

Would you take the estimated 5 or 6 thousand dollars this thing might cost and buy something else that wasn't *a necessity* and put up with todays low expectations of washer performance?

What do you think the chances are that this washer would last for 25 years before it would become irreparable?

If you have this washer please tell me what you think about it?









Post# 677656 , Reply# 1   5/6/2013 at 11:35 (4,000 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Good Question...

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I would buy the Little Giant machine. But it has already been established that I am a little touched in the head when it comes to these things.

Malcolm


Post# 677662 , Reply# 2   5/6/2013 at 12:40 (4,000 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
I've got said washer

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and I have to say its by far the best FL out there for longevity and infrequent repair bills it has a lot of choices as you mentioned and can get anything cleaned rinsed and spun without fuss with no bother at all.

It is also one of the quietest washers I have ever owned and I know what its doing by the pump as thats noisy in comparison..

All of this is of course my own opinion and am sure there are some who would not agree but to each his own.

Austin


Post# 678052 , Reply# 3   5/7/2013 at 22:27 (3,999 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
With The Demiase Of The 4000 Series

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Along with their matching dryers Miele is now pushing the "Little Giant" series for domestic use by homeowners that need something more than "standard" capacity.

Post# 678175 , Reply# 4   5/8/2013 at 14:52 (3,998 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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The Octoplus larger (8k) machines are available now too in the US, even with a drain pump model. Not quite clear on how the electrical requirements stack up but if you need bigger, you can get it now.

They do, however, probably make the Little Giants look affordable....





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Post# 678184 , Reply# 5   5/8/2013 at 16:22 (3,998 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Octoplus

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The octopus pair are ~14k!
So yes, they make the Little Giants a bargain.

Malcolm


Post# 678424 , Reply# 6   5/9/2013 at 16:35 (3,997 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Don't think I am going to get into that octopus thing, but the little giant is interesting. It seems to use the same electrical current that I have but it has a slightly larger capacity which might come in handy, 6.5K compared to my 6K.

I get to keep my 220v type of machine with even a bit more flexibility than I currently have.

Anyone know how many years 25,000 hours of bearing life translates to?
Of course this doesn't mean other components on the machine won't need replacing before this time.



Post# 678428 , Reply# 7   5/9/2013 at 17:00 (3,997 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Dryer

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I keep hoping that Miele will fix their dryer requirement of 208V power.  It's silly to require a transformer...

 

Malcolm


Post# 678438 , Reply# 8   5/9/2013 at 18:05 (3,997 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Interestingly, the W3033 is listed as 2.52 cu.ft. (71 liters), while the PW6065 is listed as 65 liters (2.29 cu.ft.).

Alex


Post# 678451 , Reply# 9   5/9/2013 at 19:36 (3,997 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Indecision

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It certainly seems that Miele cannot seem to figure out how big or small their machines are. I have literature that indicates the W3033 machine is 5.5k while others repor it at 6 or 6.5.

Malcolm


Post# 678456 , Reply# 10   5/9/2013 at 20:06 (3,997 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
IIRC

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Even the largest to then date Miele front loaders with a standard width cabinet (1926, 1986) were only rated 6kg, find it hard to believe the 3000 series holds 6.5. Not sure about the 1000 and 1200 series but the former had a tub four inches deeper to accommodate a "larger" load. Only one kilo difference, but still.

Indeed due to lower water/energy use than the older models one would assume 5.5 is closer to the true measure.


Post# 678514 , Reply# 11   5/10/2013 at 08:01 (3,996 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        
25000 hours' life?

If you did a load a day and it took an hour for a cycle, you'd have (25000/365 =) 68.5 years' use!

Post# 678574 , Reply# 12   5/10/2013 at 15:08 (3,996 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Some where, one forgets exactly where

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One read a report on now Miele and other European (and one assumes others)arrive at their duty cycle lifespan number.

IIRC it is something to do with the amount of laundry done per day for an average family or some such.

Most newer Miele washers have a program setting that will tell a Miele tech or anyone else who knows how to bring the numbers up.


Post# 678589 , Reply# 13   5/10/2013 at 16:27 (3,996 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Not really interested in the dryer. I have the T9822 dryer and before that I had a whirlpool 1970's model with a sensor and two heat settings, so I can get any old thing to dry my clothes as long as it is a gas fired model.

IIRC I think the 3033 is 5.5K. I remember this because I noticed it was .5 smaller than my 1986.

68 years... thanks for this information..so If I buy this washer I will need to include it in my will! I generally do about 5 loads a week, 4 on one day 1 the next day.

When I had the water valves replaced on my 1986 the service tech, by connecting his Pc to the machine told me the number of hours it had run....don't remember them.
He also told me that the machine was manufactured in, I think Dusseldorf, in the year 2000. I guess this information must be loaded into the electronic control.



Post# 678603 , Reply# 14   5/10/2013 at 17:34 (3,996 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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The washers are made in Gütersloh, I'm pretty sure. (see pic)

This is what EnergyStar.gov put out:


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Post# 678618 , Reply# 15   5/10/2013 at 19:42 (3,996 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC )        

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Here's a washer and two dryers for $600

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Post# 678656 , Reply# 16   5/10/2013 at 23:33 (3,996 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Provided One Has The Proper Power

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That set *could* be quite a deal. Much would depend upon the nature of damage and how much it would cost to repair. Given Miele's parts and service cost it could run into hundreds or thousands but likely to be cheaper than purchasing the three new.

Someone was selling a Miele 3033 or some such on eBay a few weeks ago that looked as if it also fell off a truck/was dropped.

Considered it but simply didn't want to take the risk. I mean the drain hose connection was snapped off, front face plate split/cracked/broken and so forth. Simply not worth transport costs. If live had lived in the local area it *might* have been worth a look, but maybe not even then.

Knowing what one knows about Miele parts costs usually for what one or two major parts cost you can make a down payment or purchase a machine new.

Finally there is the question of how Miele would view the warranty of a "damaged" unit even if it was "new" when purchased.


Post# 678665 , Reply# 17   5/11/2013 at 04:14 (3,995 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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According to the Dutch Miele site, the Little Giants are manufactured in Unicov in the Czech Republic.

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Post# 678692 , Reply# 18   5/11/2013 at 09:04 (3,995 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yeah, they are - I was only refering to Jerrod's W1986.

Post# 678696 , Reply# 19   5/11/2013 at 10:13 (3,995 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Sorry for the misunderstanding, but you said they ARE made in Gütersloh, the 1986 unfortunately isn't made anymore. IMHO (or not so humble, lol) it is the most interesting and flexible consumer machine Miele sold on the American market.

Post# 678722 , Reply# 20   5/11/2013 at 11:55 (3,995 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Indeed, Louis. I should have used past tense, rather than present tense. ;-D

Off-topic: have you seen the M-Touch series on miele.de? It's under Neuigkeiten/Aktionen. Pretty cool. I heard Miele plans to expand that color touch screen to other products as well. Plus someone form the German forum said, Miele is planning to introduce detergent cartridges for their next generation of washers.


Post# 678744 , Reply# 21   5/11/2013 at 13:57 (3,995 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Actually no, I hadn't seen it. And as a matter of fact I don't see it now either. Perhaps I'm having a blonde moment? Wink


Post# 678760 , Reply# 22   5/11/2013 at 15:26 (3,995 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 678891 , Reply# 23   5/12/2013 at 03:12 (3,994 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you!!

Post# 735333 , Reply# 24   2/14/2014 at 23:54 (3,716 days old) by MarkinAZ ()        
The NEXT Miele machine??

I am also happy with my present W 1986 machine. I have had it since 2003 and had it gone thru after it was in storage for 3 years while I lived in Europe during that time. The refurbishment (I told him to make it like new - with no budget restrictions - cost me about 500 in parts and labor. He even replaced the screw caps that had fallen off during transport. It has run flawlessly since then and is still going strong.) We do about 4 loads per week or maybe more if we’re entertaining. The Mieles are amazing machines. But like you, I do not want and will not settle for the newly dumbed down- cheaplly built “American Machines” - the “new” ones that run on 110 v house current and do not heat the water beyond 150 degrees f, do not spin faster than 1300rpm, and generally are lighter and cheaper in their construction, etc.

I know what a real european washer is like and have kept our towels and linens spotless without bleach since the day I bought my first Miele in 1989! Personally I cannot believe how dumb Miele marketing is - instead of introducing the American consumer to a better way to do laundry using hot water, soap, and time - they have built these awful W30xx series.

Why would anyone pay premium prices for their lower end machines and get less in terms of features, etc. Why bother? So I too am going to go to Little Giants. Damn the cost. The pair can be had for about $6500 if you haggle a bit - especially if you go to the distributor for your area. They run on the 220 just fine. The 208-240 vac means 208 volts THRU 240 volts. They’ll be happy with normal US style 220. I think the Washer specifies either a 15 or 20 amp breaker if you are not using the Miele converter box. Trust me. If you have a gas powered dyer then you will be fine. If you have an electric dryer that is not a Miele, then you may need to run another 220v line for the dryer. I hate the idea of paying $3200 for a washer, but it will be the last one I ever buy. We’re almost 60 now and the Little Giants will definitely outlast us. I will leave it to someone I like in my will! Although a lot of money - hopefully the will be as good as my beloved W1986 or better. When we order the Little Giants and install them, my plan is to move the 1986 and the matching Miele dryer into our guest house so houseguests and the cleaning people can do the laundry out there and not have to schlep it into the main house. I am appalled at what Miele has done due to their inability to market their machines to the US consumers adequately. If I wanted some huge, fast, slug of a machine, I’d be buying Maytag or their ilk. I know that there are far better washers (I’ve owned one for over 20 years!) and if I have to go to the commercial products, then so be it.



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