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Post# 679675   5/16/2013 at 14:28 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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OK, this has got to STOP. While taking some trash down to the compacter, this little stud whistled me over. I tried to fight him off, but to no avail, I was hooked.  So meet Mr Whirlpool Convertible, Mod. # LC400XSN1 Stock # LC4900S:

 

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Post# 679676 , Reply# 1   5/16/2013 at 14:28 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679677 , Reply# 2   5/16/2013 at 14:29 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679678 , Reply# 3   5/16/2013 at 14:29 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Money shot...

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Post# 679679 , Reply# 4   5/16/2013 at 14:31 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679680 , Reply# 5   5/16/2013 at 14:31 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
He's so CUTE!

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Post# 679681 , Reply# 6   5/16/2013 at 14:32 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
But of course the power cord was cut off...

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Post# 679683 , Reply# 7   5/16/2013 at 14:35 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
So another project...

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I still have the Kenmore dryer, range hood and the toastmaster fan waiting in the wings. Hubby doesn't know about the washer...yet.


Post# 679692 , Reply# 8   5/16/2013 at 15:51 (3,996 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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That is a later incarnation of my "harvest gold" Whirlpool "convertible" or portable washer. It probably came from whomever threw out the dryer you nabbed a few weeks ago. You are lucky to have nabbed it before the scrappers got there first.

Post# 679693 , Reply# 9   5/16/2013 at 16:21 (3,996 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Appears to be 1987.

SN1 is 1987 model year, almond, revision 1.

Serial isn't clear ... C74-something?  40-something week of 1987.


Post# 679713 , Reply# 10   5/16/2013 at 19:39 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
I doubt it Laundress...

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This is a Whirlpool, the dryer is a Kenmore, although they are both almond, I feel they came from different apartments.


Post# 679715 , Reply# 11   5/16/2013 at 19:42 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Hey thanks DADoES!

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I was wondering about the year of manufacture. The Mod. # is LC400XSN1


Post# 679727 , Reply# 12   5/16/2013 at 22:36 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
So I layed it on it's side briefly...

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A Direct-Drive...I was sorta hoping for a belt drive.

Looks remarkably clean.

 

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Post# 679728 , Reply# 13   5/16/2013 at 22:37 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679729 , Reply# 14   5/16/2013 at 22:40 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679730 , Reply# 15   5/16/2013 at 22:41 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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It seems to me somethings missing here.

 

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Post# 679731 , Reply# 16   5/16/2013 at 22:57 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Now I popped off the side panel. Talk about easy access.

 

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Post# 679733 , Reply# 17   5/16/2013 at 22:58 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Really nice condition...

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Post# 679734 , Reply# 18   5/16/2013 at 22:59 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679735 , Reply# 19   5/16/2013 at 22:59 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 679737 , Reply# 20   5/16/2013 at 23:01 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Base plate is dirty as expected, some light rust.

 

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Post# 679738 , Reply# 21   5/16/2013 at 23:03 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Now, I know nothing about these machines, but this ring, seems to have been held together at one time, the other 2 are in the same condition.

 

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Post# 679741 , Reply# 22   5/17/2013 at 00:30 (3,996 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        
OOOHHH! You found one :)

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Yup, it always amazed me how they fit that fullsize DD under there. Those DD could go for ever with the small tub, and if Im not mistaken the spin speed is higher?


Looks like all is needed is an outer tub scrub and a cord.


Post# 679742 , Reply# 23   5/17/2013 at 00:40 (3,996 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        
Suspension rods

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The rods, at least 2 of them look defunct.


The good news is that the designs on those are very, very similar to the thin twin stackables sold for decades. The suspension rods are still available for the thin twins and Im mostly sure they will fit your compact portable:

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Post# 679744 , Reply# 24   5/17/2013 at 00:53 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Yeah I sure did Robert...

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I was afraid about the suspension rods, but they are affordable, thanks for the link. Well I put a temp cord on it and tried a dry run. Nothing but a humming noise. Hmmm. Either it won't engage without any water or maybe the water pump is jammed. It hummed with all cycles. Anyone have any ideas? I opened up the lint filter and it was clogged, the fabric softener dispenser had a thick covering of gunk. The tub and agitator are quite clean though. Stay tuned.


Post# 679746 , Reply# 25   5/17/2013 at 01:53 (3,996 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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So I told hubby I got a nifty, new table for the clock...now he's not speaking to me.

 

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Post# 679748 , Reply# 26   5/17/2013 at 02:06 (3,996 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        
Huming...

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Obviously the motor or part of it is getting power, but no rotation for some reason. Several things could be doing this, and the only way to check is with some dismantling.

Pull the pump off and see if the impeller can be rotated and nothing is blocking it. At this point with the pump off you could try running the motor again. If still nothing take the motor off check that it spins freely along with the transmission. The transmission should turn with great ease counter clockwise (agitation)and some minor hesitation/resistance at first in clockwise(spin).

If all rotates freely by hand without stalling run the motor by itself off of the transmission and pump. If it hums than the problem is electrical or with the motor itself.

At this point a known working DD motor might help, and a volt/ohm meter will come to the rescue more than anything else.

Hope its a quick fix, best of luck here!



Post# 679757 , Reply# 27   5/17/2013 at 05:51 (3,996 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Nice find!

Unfortunately, the DD version of the compact washer did not have the fast spin of the BD portables.

Those slits at the top of the tub do something really neat. This design fills into the outer tub, but during the spin, those slits grab the fill spray and sort of scoop it in to the tub.

I hope that you can get it working and keep it. It's such a small toy.


Post# 679765 , Reply# 28   5/17/2013 at 07:15 (3,996 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
A blast from the past..................................

I had this washer back in 1987 unitl 1991 when I lived in an apartment.
Mike


Post# 679993 , Reply# 29   5/18/2013 at 22:31 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I think (and hope) it's the pump too Robert. I got a new cord, plug and washer for it. Will try it again later tonight.


Post# 679994 , Reply# 30   5/18/2013 at 22:32 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Some more pic's...

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Post# 679995 , Reply# 31   5/18/2013 at 22:33 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Water softener dispenser after a quickie rinse...

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Post# 679996 , Reply# 32   5/18/2013 at 22:35 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Agitator without lint filter and softener dispenser

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Reminds me of a Power Fin.

 

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Post# 679997 , Reply# 33   5/18/2013 at 22:36 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Lint Filter, not particularly easy to clean.

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Post# 679998 , Reply# 34   5/18/2013 at 22:37 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Does anyone know what may be missing here?

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Post# 679999 , Reply# 35   5/18/2013 at 22:39 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Plastic outer tub lets the light shine through...kinda cool.

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I should rig some lights inside the cabinet.  One on each corner...yeah...that does sound hot. I can just hear hubby: "Louie, you have some s'planing to do!"

 

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Post# 680000 , Reply# 36   5/18/2013 at 22:46 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Another question...

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Can this washer do a "dry" run? Would it agitate without water?


Post# 680003 , Reply# 37   5/18/2013 at 23:02 (3,994 days old) by KenmoreBD (Mass, usa )        

It should if you set the timer just before the drain, it might be kind of hard to find at first.


-Andy


Post# 680009 , Reply# 38   5/19/2013 at 00:10 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
It spins!

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It seems that it will not agitate unless it has water, but it does spin. Funny, I thought it had no water, but I guess some was still left, a few cups of sudsy water came out of the drain hose.


Post# 680026 , Reply# 39   5/19/2013 at 05:43 (3,994 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
First Agitation Test

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I ran the machine on the Super Wash cycle, wow, it's not kidding. I dunno what that would do to clothes. It's not connected to any hoses or drains yet, so a full test is coming up. The water overflow bag has a small tear in it. While machine was off for about 20 minutes with some water in tub,I discovered a small leak. Seems to be coming from the outer tub, will have to take closer look. There is some rust on that side of the pan, so this leak was going on for some time I suspect. I hope the source of the leak isn't anything serious.
 


Post# 680034 , Reply# 40   5/19/2013 at 08:10 (3,993 days old) by washerman (cape town)        
Oh My

Washing with exreme prejudice! Dirt must die!

Post# 680035 , Reply# 41   5/19/2013 at 08:29 (3,993 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i think if you have stain clothes or small load this will be a perfect washer to use and aspecaly if you have stuff that needs an all night soak before being wash in your main daily driver the washer in the picture is the belt drive version of the washer you have its with the matching dryer

Post# 680039 , Reply# 42   5/19/2013 at 08:58 (3,993 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
On Mine The Leak Was The Tub Seal

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One parts order and a cursing repairman later all was resolved! *LOL*

Am kinda gonna miss my Whirlpool.


Post# 680092 , Reply# 43   5/19/2013 at 13:22 (3,993 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Very handsome set Pierre...

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While the machine has a smaller capacity than my Maytag 107 (my daily driver), it certainly has more cycles. So far, it is going to need a lid bumper, a spring replacement kit, a new overflow bag, a seal (I hope) to stop the slow leak, the knob that selects the water level (the escutcheon is missing), a new, correct, quick connect faucet hose and drain hose, some POR-15 to stop the light rust on the right side of the pan and some touch-up paint. It's got a new power cord, plug and grommet. 


Post# 680095 , Reply# 44   5/19/2013 at 13:27 (3,993 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Tell me about it Drew...

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I've never seen such vigorous washing in my life.  And can this machine pump water out! The only thing I don't like about it is the lint filter.


Post# 680096 , Reply# 45   5/19/2013 at 13:32 (3,993 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Laundress...

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Why are you selling your Whirlpool? Getting a larger capacity replacement?


Post# 680120 , Reply# 46   5/19/2013 at 16:40 (3,993 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Something New Has Been Added

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Yes, am adding something new to my collection thus following the advice of sage elder collectors, something must go when something new arrives.

Suppose if one had the room would keep the WP as it completes the matched set with the dryer, but alas space is at a premium laundry appliance wise.

Besides never really used the WP that much anyway. Maybe once or twice every month or so, of that. Guess just am not a top loading sort of person. *LOL*

Real push is due to wanting to take the workload off Big Bertha (Miele W1070). Am getting tired of MieleUSA's attitude about repairs and or spending a hundred or more every year when this or that part goes and requires replacement. My main worry are the bearings and motor, once either goes BB is toast. So think its better to give her a playmate.

My machine is a bit older than yours and has the same "Surgilator" as it's big sisters along with the "bed of nails" waterfall lint filter.


Post# 680131 , Reply# 47   5/19/2013 at 18:17 (3,993 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Portable DD Washer

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These are very tough little machines, the lint filter in these washers is a great design, it is easy to clean, effective and it is completely out of the way. Outer tub center seal leaks are VERY rare in DD washers, I would look carefully before tearing the machine all apart. The plastic overflow bag-tube can just be thrown away, it is very unlikely that it could ever serve any important purpose.


Post# 680135 , Reply# 48   5/19/2013 at 18:52 (3,993 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
Tough Little Machine

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When I worked at Whirlpool from 1985 thru 1989 I borrowed one of these from the Wet Lab" and used it when I living in an apartment. I returned it when I left the company. My model did not have stepped-down agitation and an Engineer warned me not to select too long a wash time. It did a great job. I was able to get a full size set of sheets in one load. Two weeks worth of whites made a full load as well as a week's worth of towels. Presently I have a Kenmore version of the machine that my next door neighbor gave me. I seldom use it but it brings back fond memories.......

Post# 680293 , Reply# 49   5/20/2013 at 21:16 (3,992 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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John, the leak seems to be coming from where the outer tub is attached to the suspension rod (see reply #30).  I have to fill it up with water again and let it sit. Then with a flashlight track the leak down.


Post# 680294 , Reply# 50   5/20/2013 at 21:18 (3,992 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Michael,

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Did your loaner machine work only in "Super Wash" mode?


Post# 680337 , Reply# 51   5/21/2013 at 07:59 (3,991 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Leaking WP DD Compact Washer

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The good news is that if this machine is leaking at the center post seal this is a much easier repair than the older BD machines with a metal outer tub. I mentioned earlier I have almost never seen a leak at this seal and when we did it was usually because the screws that hold the plastic outer tub were loose or the suspension tri-pod was broken.

 

All you need do to fix this is remove the white plastic cover, agitator and inner wash basket. Then un clamp the drain hose from the outer tub remove six 5/16" head screws that hold the plastic outer tub to the suspension tri-pod and lift te tub out of the washers cabinet. then if it looks like it has actually been leaking at the center-post seal remove the old seal and clean it thoroughly. Normally this seal can be reused unless the rubber has deteriorated. When every thing is clean and dry apply a small bead of 100% silicone sealant on the grove where the rubber seal meets the outer tub and push the rubber seal into the plastic tub. Then apply two rings of the same sealant around the outside of the center post about 4" and 6" up from the bottom of the center-post column and push the tub and seal down into place and screw it in place, it will never leak again, John.


Post# 680883 , Reply# 52   5/24/2013 at 21:43 (3,988 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thank for the step by step John!


Post# 680888 , Reply# 53   5/24/2013 at 21:48 (3,988 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
A couple more pictures...

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I filled it with some water and let it sit. Nothing, no leak. So I suppose this leak was from it during the earlier agitation. The pic's show where it was wet originally and where the water trail was.
 
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Post# 680934 , Reply# 54   5/25/2013 at 09:45 (3,987 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Leaking WP DD Compact Washer

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I would remove the white plastic cover and make sure that the black rubber seal is in place and in good shape.


Post# 680957 , Reply# 55   5/25/2013 at 12:27 (3,987 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Yeah, I will John. While I'm at it I'll give the parts a good cleaning. I'll be posting pictures!


Post# 701809 , Reply# 56   9/7/2013 at 16:47 (3,882 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Back to the grind...

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Well tonight, I going to hook up and run a complete cycle. I haven't done anything to it yet. Want to make sure what is leaking before I tear it down. Video will follow.


Post# 702768 , Reply# 57   9/11/2013 at 23:37 (3,878 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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First trial fill and agitation. Gentle cycle. Hot wash, some old rags with Sears Ultra Plus detergent. Other than a new power cord, nothing else has been done. I am trying to determine where the slight leak is coming from.




Post# 702771 , Reply# 58   9/11/2013 at 23:59 (3,878 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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As you can see, the tub is off center. I already have new shocks for it, but I am wondering on whether I should replace the springs as well.

 

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The leak is very slight, but it's there. Has to be the tub seal. Everything else is dry.

 

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Post# 702790 , Reply# 59   9/12/2013 at 03:55 (3,878 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Super Wash fill, wash and drain.
 
 


Post# 702803 , Reply# 60   9/12/2013 at 07:38 (3,878 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Louie

Why do they cut the power cords? Spite, so no one else can use it? Why? I told you earlier, I had this same washer when I lived on the third floor of a three story walk up in Yonkers. That machine only has the two minute fast agitation then switches to slow speed agiataion...or gentle wash system as it was called. But it was a good little machine!!!
Mike


Post# 702809 , Reply# 61   9/12/2013 at 08:09 (3,877 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Vigorous Agitation?

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No this is the way a real washer is supposed to work Louie, you have just gotten to used to watching a MT.

 

These are very effective little washers. It does look like your leak is coming from the center-post seal, this type of failure was unusual but easy to fix. The shocks and springs are one part on these machines, hopefully replacing all three will improve the centering of the tub assembly, but the slight out of center condition yours shows usually does not cause any performance problems and we usually leave well enough alone on these washers. Many times even with three new shocks they will still lean a little.

 

The reason most cords get cut off old electrical items is that people sell the copper wire for MONEY, I cut the cord off every appliance that I send to the scrap yard. If an old machine is sitting on the curb it is easier to grab the cord than the entire appliance for scrap. The old cord can be worth 50 cents up to $2 or more for 240 cords from ranges and dryers.


Post# 702878 , Reply# 62   9/12/2013 at 13:44 (3,877 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Continuation of the above cycle, after the Super Wash. Regular cycle. The odd thing is that the spin won't engage until I remove and replace the pair of pliers I'm using on the safety switch. I haven't run a full cycle with the lid closed yet. The machine jiggles a bit during agitation because I removed one of the side panels.
 


Post# 702989 , Reply# 63   9/12/2013 at 20:28 (3,877 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Cutting Power Cords On Electrical Appliances

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Far back as one can remember persons have been doing this in our neck of the woods. My father, uncles and every male one knew did so before chucking any electrical appliance away from a table fan to fridge.

Seem to recall the reason given had something to do with children not playing around with discarded appliances and harming themselves.

As for copper and other scrap metal of value in appliances; too true. New York City must see precious to little revenue from appliance or anything else with metal recycling schemes. Any item placed on the curb for collection by sanitation will be gone in

Post# 703002 , Reply# 64   9/12/2013 at 21:23 (3,877 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well I confirmed it. The machine will not go into spin after draining. You have to lift and close the lid for it to proceed. The timer is still advancing, like the spin had engaged.

 

When the spin did start, the load became terribly out of balance. Had to rearrange the load. Still, it struggled, oscillating a bit too much for comfort. I guess the shocks are really gone then. Maytag to the rescue!


Post# 703008 , Reply# 65   9/12/2013 at 21:49 (3,877 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Inside the Super Surgilator

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It seems I'm missing a part for the water softener dispenser?

 

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Post# 703051 , Reply# 66   9/13/2013 at 04:49 (3,877 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Nice find, Louie.  I love the video of it agitating at full-tilt with no clothes in the tub; what a thrashing little unit!  Hope the repairs go smoothly for you.  Another great AW save!


Post# 703082 , Reply# 67   9/13/2013 at 10:08 (3,876 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Eugene!


Post# 760367 , Reply# 68   5/30/2014 at 02:33 (3,618 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Did a little research. As some of you may recall the Whirlpool fills, washes, drains and will not advance to spin unless I raise and lower the lid. I've read the following may be wrong: Bad lid switch, bad timer, bad tranny. Now before I order any parts, I'd like to know from you experts out there if I am missing any other possibilities. 


Post# 760384 , Reply# 69   5/30/2014 at 07:09 (3,618 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Non Automatically Spinning WP DD Washer

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Hi Louie, After a FOUR minute Hi Motor speed drain period the timer should stop the motor briefly [ 3-6 seconds ] and then the timer will restart the motor and the transmission will kick into spin. Are you waiting long enough for this to happen ?, but if the timer is truly not doing this pause it would be a bad timer and while anything is possible this is a very unlikely timer failure.

Post# 809737 , Reply# 70   2/17/2015 at 02:17 (3,355 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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My final update. I've decided to give the Whirlpool  to Yogitunes.  I really wanted to finish this machine, but I am just too overcrowded at the moment. And I know it's going to a good home.

 

I hope to get another, older version in the future when space permits. Hopefully in Coppertone or Harvest Gold.

 



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