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| Post# 685258 6/23/2013 at 18:12 (3,957 days old) by targus () | ||
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Today I saw a new washer and dryer of miele on the website of a Belgian appliance shop. I didn't find much information on these machines yet but I wanted to know what do you guys think of the new look. 
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| Post# 685259 , Reply# 1 6/23/2013 at 18:12 (3,957 days old) by targus () | ||
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Dryer Seems to have a glass door now, what do you think 
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| Post# 685260 , Reply# 2 6/23/2013 at 18:15 (3,957 days old) by targus () | ||
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here is some more information CLICK HERE TO GO TO targus's LINK | ||
| Post# 685261 , Reply# 3 6/23/2013 at 18:16 (3,957 days old) by targus () | ||
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some more information on the washer CLICK HERE TO GO TO targus's LINK | ||
Post# 685291 , Reply# 4 6/23/2013 at 21:11 (3,956 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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| Post# 685340 , Reply# 6 6/24/2013 at 10:05 (3,956 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
Oh my.......... | ||
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Post# 685342 , Reply# 7 6/24/2013 at 10:13 (3,956 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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"Louis, where are you?"
Yoohoo! I'm here!
Those are only datasheets, what didn't you understand what Google translate couldn't solve? Since this series is called the W1 series, I was wondering if these are the replacements for the W1000 series. They're goodlooking machines, but what on earth is that second door at the bottom for? They seem rather expensive. | ||
| Post# 685348 , Reply# 8 6/24/2013 at 10:30 (3,956 days old) by targus () | ||
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second door I believe that's for a dosing container or something like that because it has twindos (which is probably something like autodos) and capdosing (don't know what that is) we will have to wait for more information. | ||
| Post# 685350 , Reply# 9 6/24/2013 at 10:34 (3,956 days old) by targus () | ||
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I have found the manual for the dryer and the washer, unfortunately they are in Dutch but maybe you can translate them. CLICK HERE TO GO TO targus's LINK | ||
| Post# 685352 , Reply# 10 6/24/2013 at 10:42 (3,956 days old) by targus () | ||
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manual for the washer Here is the manual for the washer, seems a very interesting machine. next to 'productnaam' you have to enter 'WKH 170' and enter then the manual will download. CLICK HERE TO GO TO targus's LINK | ||
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Post# 685368 , Reply# 12 6/24/2013 at 13:42 (3,956 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Those are only datasheets, what didn't you understand what Google translate couldn't solve?
I was talking about the manuals, which I tried to read last night. My French is clearly better than my Dutch, as I found out... which is interesting, since Dutch is kinda similar to German.
Brochure:
www.christiaens.be/De%20nieuwe%20... | ||
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Post# 685372 , Reply# 13 6/24/2013 at 13:55 (3,956 days old) by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian) |
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Two pumps? I have taken a look at the user's manual: from the pictures at page 72 (French version, section "Problems and solutions") it seems that there are two drain pumps (and two filters too). Seems strange... Also because the text always says "pump" and not "pumps": maybe the famous Miele quality has made a mistake with the pictures? | ||
| Post# 685375 , Reply# 14 6/24/2013 at 14:02 (3,956 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Post# 685376 , Reply# 15 6/24/2013 at 14:04 (3,956 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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One of these pumps sems to be a recirculation pump. Would be nice at all after years taking Miele to recognize this a effective way of rinsing. My dutch is better the my france, so, i'm luchy :) Hope, these will be sold here in Germany, too. | ||
| Post# 685377 , Reply# 16 6/24/2013 at 14:07 (3,956 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
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Post# 685381 , Reply# 17 6/24/2013 at 14:19 (3,956 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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PowerSpray PowerSpray is the Spray, PowerWash is a cycle. Seems to be kind a 45 min 5 kg fast wash or something like that. | ||
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Post# 685384 , Reply# 18 6/24/2013 at 14:32 (3,956 days old) by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian) |
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Germany and Belgium I find curious that these new washing machines seem to be introduced in Belgium before Germany (I cannot find anything on the German Miele site) however also Electrolux introduce new products in Belgium first. I wonder what the reason might ever be. And yes: a recirculation pump seems a sensible explanation | ||
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Post# 685386 , Reply# 19 6/24/2013 at 14:34 (3,956 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 685400 , Reply# 20 6/24/2013 at 15:21 (3,956 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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| Post# 685419 , Reply# 21 6/24/2013 at 17:39 (3,956 days old) by bertrum () | ||
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That's the first washer I have seen where the re-circ pump has a accessible filter as well as the drain pump. Great idea. Also where do you get your technical drawings from chestermikeuk? | ||
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Post# 685433 , Reply# 22 6/24/2013 at 18:51 (3,955 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 685505 , Reply# 23 6/25/2013 at 04:08 (3,955 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 685511 , Reply# 24 6/25/2013 at 05:46 (3,955 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"but I don`t like recirculation pumps in washers" | ||
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Post# 685520 , Reply# 25 6/25/2013 at 06:31 (3,955 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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I find them utterly unsanitary.
In my current Miele with the common ball valve to prevent detergent loss the outer drum can dry out compleatly and nothing that grows in the sump will ever touch the next load. Anything that grows in a dishwasher sump and recirculation system is usually killed at least in the last rinse. | ||
| Post# 685572 , Reply# 28 6/25/2013 at 13:23 (3,955 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
Very nice... very Miele!
That's about time for Miele to give their machines a facelift... as valid and functional as their previous models can be... they were sooo... old-fashion looking!
These new machines still retain some classic characteristics (to my eye) in a perfect blend with modern design. I wonder if their W1xxx series (the ones with the chunky door) have been updated as well... although, those look pretty modern as they are. | ||
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Post# 685575 , Reply# 29 6/25/2013 at 13:37 (3,955 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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WHERE IS THE PRE-WASH??? AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Where is the Pre-Wash-Option? Just scralled through the manual and found no Pre-Wash-Otion? I already hate the Bosches which only pffer a Pre-Wash on Cottons and Easy-Care, but this one seems to offer NO PRE-WASH at all!!! There is told about the option to length the Pre-Wash for Cottons, but no way how to select it??? | ||
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Post# 685580 , Reply# 30 6/25/2013 at 13:57 (3,955 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 685585 , Reply# 31 6/25/2013 at 14:09 (3,955 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I know, there is an option lo length it, but i dont see how to select it even with the programmanger (which is a quite genius invetion). | ||
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Post# 685587 , Reply# 32 6/25/2013 at 14:24 (3,955 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 685598 , Reply# 33 6/25/2013 at 15:32 (3,955 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Prewash | ||
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Post# 685609 , Reply# 34 6/25/2013 at 16:43 (3,955 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Pre-Wash
Miele goes back and forth with this option even IIRC far back as the 19xx series.
One model year you find a pre-wash, next it is gone, then it comes back. It is either this or that cycle is renamed and part of another. IIRC Miele would put the pre-wash part of a "heavy" or some such named cycle on some units. | ||
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Post# 685779 , Reply# 38 6/26/2013 at 13:05 (3,954 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Soak Option | ||
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Post# 685780 , Reply# 39 6/26/2013 at 13:07 (3,954 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Soak is really not nescessary. But a Pre-Wash is a MUST HAVE for curtains. No matter as an option or with a special cutains cycle. | ||
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Post# 685821 , Reply# 42 6/26/2013 at 15:46 (3,954 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Use The Soak Option | ||
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Post# 685822 , Reply# 43 6/26/2013 at 15:48 (3,954 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Pre-Washing | ||
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Post# 685882 , Reply# 44 6/26/2013 at 20:10 (3,953 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Found another model on miele.nl -> the WKR 970 WPS.
Only looked at the manual very briefly (108 pages) but it has the soak and prewash options. Also a larger display, more cycles, hot-water intake...
www1.miele.de/nl/haushalt/service... | ||
| Post# 685946 , Reply# 45 6/27/2013 at 04:14 (3,953 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK) | ||
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Yes, thats more like what I expected from Miele. Hopefully its in the new design, I guess it is from the title page (drum back is the new one)! Also looks like you can plumb it into Rain Water, and possibly sea water too? Thats good. Plus nice, its got the big display!! | ||
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Post# 685977 , Reply# 46 6/27/2013 at 10:28 (3,953 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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The Swiss Miele page has the manuals in German, French and Italian.
Washers: TKG 450 WP and TKR 450 WP
CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
| Post# 686052 , Reply# 47 6/27/2013 at 17:43 (3,953 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Anti clockwise spin? "it could spin anticlockwise like on the Professional machines," What is the purpose of this on professional machines? I think It looks rather weird. | ||
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Post# 686255 , Reply# 48 6/29/2013 at 06:57 (3,951 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Ha, the manuals are avaible no in Germany, to. And the dryer got 2 Cottons settings. One as the declaration cycle with best enegy perfomance, one as the normal cottons. | ||
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Post# 686256 , Reply# 49 6/29/2013 at 07:01 (3,951 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Pitty, the manual is online for the downline dryer only..... | ||
| Post# 701142 , Reply# 50 9/4/2013 at 13:19 (3,884 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Press Release No. 116/2013 New W1 washing machine series: Pe
"Forever better": Miele improves on its legendary honeycomb drum
Gütersloh/Berlin, September 4, 2013. – Twelve years ago, Miele set new standards with its patented honeycomb drum - a feature that remains unparallelled to this day. This, though, is set to change at the IFA 2013 trade show – with the world premiere of the new and also patented SoftSteam drum from Miele. Smaller perforations in the honeycomb sculptured surface which cause water to create a fine film and drain off fast have made the Miele honeycomb drum a synonym for gentle laundry care. And now, the new honeycomb drum, called SoftSteam, is to feature on all washing machines from the W1 range and also simplifies ironing. When the 'Pre-ironing' option is selected, the new honeycomb drum is pre-heated. The hot drum and the new sculptured surface with its larger hexagons and wider channels removes the wrinkles from laundry even before the load is transferred to the tumble dryer. Depending on the programme, this additional function can be simply selected at the touch of a button. Greater pitch on the concave pointed hexagons also improves drainage, which in turn enhances spin efficiency. And, naturally, Miele customers continue to profit from the familiar advantages of the classical honeycomb drum which include a reduction in the impressions on laundry left by the drum holes and a reduced risk of laddering. Press contact: Reinhild Portmann Tel. no.: 05241/89-1952 Email: reinhild.portmann@miele.de Company profile: Miele is the world leader in the field of premium domestic appliances including cooking, baking and steam-cooking appliances, refrigeration products, coffee makers, dishwashers and laundry and floorcare products. This line-up is augmented by dishwashers, washer-extractors and tumble dryers for commercial use as well as washer-disinfectors and sterilisers for use in medical and laboratory applications (Miele Professional). The company, founded in 1899, has 8 production plants in Germany and one plant each in Austria, the Czech Republic, China and Romania. 2011/12 turnover amounted to approx. EUR 3.04 bn with sales outside Germany accounting for 70%. Miele is represented with its own sales subsidiaries and via importers in almost 100 countries. The Miele company, now in the fourth generation of family ownership, employs a workforce of oven 16,700 with two-thirds in Germany. The company headquarters are located in Gütersloh/Westphalia, Germany. CLICK HERE TO GO TO l86810's LINK 
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| Post# 701143 , Reply# 51 9/4/2013 at 13:22 (3,884 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Press Release No. 115/2013 New W1 washing machine series:
More intuitive, more convenient and even smarter. Innovative programmes offering supreme user convenience
Gütersloh/Berlin, September 4, 2013. – All Miele washing machines from the new generation are characterised by an easily surveyed and intuitive user interface. As a result, user interaction is even simpler, despite the fact that these models are capable of far more than their predecessors. With the rotary selector on the right and a centred display, Miele is continuing to use typical signature features as well as adhering to the principle of programme selection working from right to left. The fascia appears uncluttered and arranged to reflect the sequence of selection steps: Switch the machine on, select a programme and possible options and start the programme. On the high-resolution TFT display with white characters on a black background, all settings and function are clearly legible. The main programmes and additional functions can be selected directly using switches or pushbuttons. Thanks to the new EasyOpen function, doors are simply pulled open and do not require any electrical connection. A practical additional convenience feature, only available from Miele, is the new 'Mixed items' programme. Its use is recommended when individual items of laundry get forgotten in the hustle and bustle of everyday life - not exactly an unknown occurrence! The feat accomplished by this new programme is to be able to wash a blend of mixed fabrics together in a single cycle. A total of 19 different garment types can be selected and combined. Such a wash cycle is able to take socks, denim and even a fleece jacket. The new ProgrammeManager, too, allows programmes to be compiled to suit individual needs using these five options: 'Intensive' ensures good detergency (without extending the wash cycle), 'Eco' reduces energy consumption (whilst extending the cycle duration), 'Extra gentle' reduces mechanical action, 'Extra quiet' reduces sound emissions during the wash cycle and 'AllergoWash' makes for improved hygiene by extending the temperature holding time and ensuring the thorough removal of detergent residues. Press contact: Reinhild Portmann Tel. no.: 05241/89-1952 Email: reinhild.portmann@miele.de Company profile: Miele is the world leader in the field of premium domestic appliances including cooking, baking and steam-cooking appliances, refrigeration products, coffee makers, dishwashers and laundry and floorcare products. This line-up is augmented by dishwashers, washer-extractors and tumble dryers for commercial use as well as washer-disinfectors and sterilisers for use in medical and laboratory applications (Miele Professional). The company, founded in 1899, has 8 production plants in Germany and one plant each in Austria, the Czech Republic, China and Romania. 2012/13 turnover amounted to approx. EUR 3.15 bn with sales outside Germany accounting for 70%. Miele is represented with its own sales subsidiaries and via importers in almost 100 countries. The Miele company, now in the fourth generation of family ownership, employs a workforce of around 17,250 with two-thirds in Germany. The company headquarters are located in Gütersloh/Westphalia, Germany. CLICK HERE TO GO TO l86810's LINK 
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| Post# 701144 , Reply# 52 9/4/2013 at 13:27 (3,884 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Press Release No. 114/2013 New W1 washing machine series: Re
PowerWash and intelligent dispensing for even better performance
Gütersloh/Berlin, September 4, 2013. – The new Miele dimension to cleanliness in laundry care rests on three pillars: PowerWash ensures even better drenching of laundry. TwinDos adds convenience, precision and efficiency to dispensing. And CapDosing simplifies the targeted use of special-purpose detergents. The outcome is the top-rate, gentle and convenient washing of garments – taking laundry care to a new all-time high. The technical heart and soul of the new PowerWash system is an additional pump which sprays water back into the drum at the top. Furthermore, a special drum rhythm ensures that laundry lies flat against the walls of the drum, creating a tunnel down the centre. This combination of features allows detergent to penetrate the laundry load faster and more uniformly. This way, PowerWash increases wash performance by at least 10% as has been confirmed by a report issued by the independent wfk Institute for Applied Research in Krefeld. Tests were performed using the 'Cottons 40°C' and 'Cottons 60°C' programmes (half-load). And for those needing clean laundry fast, the QuickPowerWash programme is just the job, washing up to 5 kg of laundry in less than 1 hour. Far from being merely a curtailed programme, QuickPowerWash is a full cycle offering impressive cleaning. TwinDos – The integrated 2-phase dispensing system Miele has a reputation as the forerunner in the field of automatic detergent dispensing. As early as 2006, Miele presented LiquidWash, the world's first liquid dispensing system. This was followed in 2010 by AutoDos, the first system of its kind in the world to automatically dispense liquid AND powder detergents. At IFA 2013, Miele is now set to add a new chapter to this success story: TwinDos, the first integrated dispensing system for liquid detergents, is able to save up to 30% detergent and produces excellent cleaning results, not only on whites. This system is integrated in the lower reaches of the machine and offers room for two containers, each with a capacity of 1.5 l. TwinDos is the first automatic dispensing system to feature two-phase detergents in liquid form: The first stage involves a basic detergent (Miele UltraPhase 1) to remove soils such as grease and protein. Next in is a detergency enhancer or booster (Miele UltraPhase 2) which makes light work of stubborn stains such as those from red wine or coffee. Both detergents are dispensed separately, at an appropriate time to suit the type of laundry and in the correct ratio. Miele is the only brand to have developed its own detergents and care products in close cooperation with leading detergent manufacturers which are specifically geared to the needs of Miele machines and thereby able to produce optimum results. Notwithstanding this, TwinDos is an open system which can alternatively be used with regular off-the-shelf liquid detergents or fabric conditioners. The detergent dispenser, too, can be used in the usual way, leaving all options open. CapDosing – Simple handling of special-purpose detergents The requirements of wash programmes and detergents are becoming more specific as time goes on: Sometimes, certain fabrics or garments require special treatment or a particularly persistent stain poses specific challenges. Or, say, fabric conditioner is only required occasionally. And, anyway, who wants to have a whole arsenal of detergents taking up valuable space in the cupboard, just on the off-chance they will be needed? Here, too, Miele offers its customers an intelligent and world-exclusive capsule dispensing system called CapDosing which can be used on all washing machines from the new W1 generation. CapDosing offers a range of less frequently used special detergents, for example for high-quality outdoor and trekking wear with breathable membranes, in practically sized capsules. The same applies to performance-enhancing additives and fabric conditioner. These capsules, conveniently inserted into the fabric conditioner compartment of the detergent dispenser, allow detergents and care products to be stored simply and without causing a mess. PowerWash, TwinDos and CapDosing: Together, these features stand for top-class cleaning performance combined with maximum convenience – exclusively available from Miele. Press contact: Reinhild Portmann Tel. no.: 05241/89-1952 Email: reinhild.portmann@miele.de Company profile: Miele is the world leader in the field of premium domestic appliances including cooking, baking and steam-cooking appliances, refrigeration products, coffee makers, dishwashers and laundry and floorcare products. This line-up is augmented by dishwashers, washer-extractors and tumble dryers for commercial use as well as washer-disinfectors and sterilisers for use in medical and laboratory applications (Miele Professional). The company, founded in 1899, has 8 production plants in Germany and one plant each in Austria, the Czech Republic, China and Romania. 2012/13 turnover amounted to approx. EUR 3.15 bn with sales outside Germany accounting for 70%. Miele is represented with its own sales subsidiaries and via importers in almost 100 countries. The Miele company, now in the fourth generation of family ownership, employs a workforce of around 17,250 with two-thirds in Germany. The company headquarters are located in Gütersloh/Westphalia, Germany. CLICK HERE TO GO TO l86810's LINK 
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| Post# 701145 , Reply# 53 9/4/2013 at 13:30 (3,884 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Press Release No. 117/2013 New T1 tumble dryer series: Miele
More convenient, cheaper and environmentally friendlier drying
Gütersloh/Berlin, September 4, 2013. – The tumble dryers which Miele is to unveil at the IFA trade show are more energy-efficient than their predecessors and dry even more gently. And, to top it all, a new SteamFinish function reduces the need for ironing even further. All models feature heat-pump technology and are at least A+ rated for energy efficiency, if not higher. With their completely new design and a transparent door as the most striking feature, these new dryers harmonise perfectly with washing machines from the W1 series. Less ironing thanks to SteamFinish – the most important technical highlight on the new tumble dryers from Miele. This involves spraying an aerosol created by passing water from the condensate container through a nozzle into the drum, where it turns to steam when exposed to the hot process air. This both removes wrinkles and stretches fabrics as they tumble in the rotating drum. This function really comes into its own when preparing dry garments for ironing, or on unworn items which have been in a suitcase and need smoothing. With this convenience feature known as 'Steam Smoothing' which is selectable from the fascia, Miele is offering an option which ideally complements the 'Pre-ironing' feature on the new washing machines. Depending on the model, some T1 tumble dryers feature the new ProfiEco motor. This brushless, permanent-magnet motor is not only powerful, maintenance-free and quiet, it is also extremely energy-efficient (A++ rating for energy efficiency). And, what's more, the EcoFeedback indicator which has become a familiar feature on Miele washing machines, now also helps users to get a better handle on energy efficiency in tumble dryers. In addition to indicating consumption, these machines also feature a lint filter indicator as a clean filter reduces both consumption and cycle times. The user interface reflects that on matching washing machines, is clear and concise and offers logical progression from right to left when selecting programmes. The white characters on a black background guarantee good display readability. New, too, is the transparent door which further lends to bringing the tumble dryer into line with its washing machine counterparts. The new filter insert can still be removed in one single flowing movement. All new tumble dryers sport the exclusive FragranceDos feature which adds a pleasantly fresh fragrance to laundry and is available in the 'Aqua', 'Cocoon' and 'Nature' bouquets. The holder for the fragrance flacon is prominently visible in the door area. This leaves the amount of fragrance in the bottle easily visible and allows the intensity of scent to be conveniently adjusted to suit personal taste. Thanks to the new EasyOpen function, doors are simply pulled open and do not require any electrical connection. Similarly, all new tumble dryers from the T1 series feature Miele's successful and exclusive PerfectDry function. When determining the residual moisture in garments, this system factors in the mineral content of the water, preventing either over- or underdrying. Such precise monitoring saves time and energy and goes easy on textiles. The gentle treatment of laundry is now being taken to the next level with the enhanced honeycomb drum with its larger hexagons, bigger and rearranged drum ribs and a modified reversing rhythm. And, of course, quality continues to top Miele's agenda: The new generation of tumble dryers is designed and tested to last 20 years. Press contact: Reinhild Portmann Tel. no.: 05241/89-1952 Email: reinhild.portmann@miele.de Company profile: Miele is the world leader in the field of premium domestic appliances including cooking, baking and steam-cooking appliances, refrigeration products, coffee makers, dishwashers and laundry and floorcare products. This line-up is augmented by dishwashers, washer-extractors and tumble dryers for commercial use as well as washer-disinfectors and sterilisers for use in medical and laboratory applications (Miele Professional). The company, founded in 1899, has 8 production plants in Germany and one plant each in Austria, the Czech Republic, China and Romania. 2012/13 turnover amounted to approx. EUR 3.15 bn with sales outside Germany accounting for 70%. Miele is represented with its own sales subsidiaries and via importers in almost 100 countries. The Miele company, now in the fourth generation of family ownership, employs a workforce of around 17,250 with two-thirds in Germany. The company headquarters are located in Gütersloh/Westphalia, Germany. CLICK HERE TO GO TO l86810's LINK 
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| Post# 701147 , Reply# 54 9/4/2013 at 13:35 (3,884 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Hi All
Hope you find the above interesting. There are more press-releases available, and loads of photos. Some press releases also say that all washing machines will have a A+++ for energy efficiency, will have a load capacity of 8 kg, minimum, and will spin at 1600 rpm... and all dryers will feature heat-pump technology. It says the new W1 and T1 model ranges are due to be launched immediately after the IFA trade show. But I found somewhere else the UK release date is March 2014 :( I really like the white doored machines! (although they look almost the same as the new Siemens line) Let me know what you think... 
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| Post# 701163 , Reply# 55 9/4/2013 at 14:19 (3,884 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland) | ||
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| Post# 701167 , Reply# 56 9/4/2013 at 14:37 (3,884 days old) by nrones () | ||
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Reply #54 Those look absolutely stunning!!!! I am amazed how stylish those are! Dex | ||
| Post# 701189 , Reply# 57 9/4/2013 at 16:53 (3,884 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland) | ||
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Post# 701235 , Reply# 60 9/4/2013 at 19:53 (3,883 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Recirculation Pumps & H-Axis Washing Machines
Years ago when one was just starting out on the Internet and becoming *more* interested in laundry appliances, came across an article online about future of H-Axis washer design. Long story short is that once water levels go below a certain point you pretty much must have some sort of recirculation system to get the job done to any satisfaction.
Normally with H-Axis washers there is enough water that "scoop and ladle" of water along with gravity will do the job. When you move to lower and lower water levels that system will only get you but so far as much of the water is absorbed by the washing with little excess to be ladled about. As shown in pictures of my AEG Lavamat during a normal "cottons/easy care" cycle there is *VERY* little water to be seen. Certainly much less than what one is used to from the Miele with it's five gallons of water per wash cycle. | ||
| Post# 701317 , Reply# 61 9/5/2013 at 05:30 (3,883 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK) | ||
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Looks amazing IFA starts tomorrow, so I guess even more pics? Hopefully we can see it working too. 2014?? Thats a while to wait, but hopefully the date will be brought forward, especially if there's a lot of interest at IFA. Hopefully some Youtubers will be able to Upload vids of the new machine working. | ||
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Post# 701326 , Reply# 62 9/5/2013 at 06:22 (3,883 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Miele W1 and T1 Laundry Series... | ||
| Post# 701532 , Reply# 63 9/6/2013 at 09:35 (3,882 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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The door on the dryer... It is looking a bit strange, I think. The glass is somehow oval or is a drying rack inserted in the latest picture? Besides, nothing new from IFA '13? | ||
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Post# 701574 , Reply# 64 9/6/2013 at 14:19 (3,882 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 702453 , Reply# 66 9/10/2013 at 11:04 (3,878 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Now, finally, they are on the German Miele website. Maybe not right know readable, but they are listed :D | ||
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Post# 703188 , Reply# 67 9/13/2013 at 22:03 (3,874 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Here's some more info: | ||
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Post# 703279 , Reply# 69 9/14/2013 at 16:14 (3,874 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Core-drilling a hole in the wall of your house isn't THA | ||
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Post# 703280 , Reply# 70 9/14/2013 at 16:20 (3,874 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 703282 , Reply# 71 9/14/2013 at 16:55 (3,874 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
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| Post# 703286 , Reply# 72 9/14/2013 at 17:26 (3,874 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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I'm sure this machines will be great. For the caps idea is like the Nespresso concept. Also the box presentation is like the coffee one. Even the stand at IFA feel like a Nestle one. The bottom line... still a Miele great product. | ||
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Post# 703402 , Reply# 73 9/15/2013 at 13:43 (3,873 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Yeah, really like the BOL dryer as it is as efficent as the other dryers (except one being A++ in sted of A+), not more expensive the the others and pretty easy to use and has everything you need. And, what I'm suprised about, they offer some 9kg washers... | ||
| Post# 703555 , Reply# 74 9/16/2013 at 12:47 (3,872 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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Brochure now on the German website.
Can't quite decide whether I like the chrome or white series better! CLICK HERE TO GO TO lavamat_jon's LINK | ||
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Post# 703560 , Reply# 75 9/16/2013 at 13:25 (3,872 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Would have to see them in real life. The white ones are concarv on the front from the panel to the feet. Don't know if I like this ore if I just love it :D | ||
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Post# 704772 , Reply# 77 9/22/2013 at 22:15 (3,865 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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From Speaking With Friends In Frace
Upshot for most was that if extracted properly things will dry fast enough being left line drying either indoors or out. Electric rates being dear the results often are faster (during warmer parts of the year), then messing about with a condenser dryer. If they live in any of the large cities such as Paris local launderettes have larger and more powerful dryers that will get the job done say in winter and or when weather does not permit good drying.
One GF said she simply does a load early in the day and hangs things up before leaving for work/going out for the day. By the time she returns things are dry. Most of one's friends in France live in cities, haven't heard back from those that live in the countryside. | ||
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Post# 704885 , Reply# 78 9/23/2013 at 14:04 (3,865 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Well, most new German houses today are built mostly air tight with a special temperature exchanger venting system, so, core-drilling would just blow up the several thousands you have to pay for that. By the way, these systems are being used espacially in low enegy houses and such things... | ||
| Post# 705250 , Reply# 79 9/25/2013 at 07:56 (3,863 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Pre-iron What is that? Also, I'm not convinced regarding twin-dos and cap-dos... But as far as I understand, one can use detergents and additives independently from that. | ||
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Post# 705263 , Reply# 80 9/25/2013 at 11:05 (3,863 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Pre-Iron
Think of it as an After Thermal Spin - a small amount of water covers the heater but doesnt enter the drum, the water is heated to steam and permeates the new long slits along the drum paddles, tumbling occurs after the spin and with the drum being hot and a small amount of steam, the clothes are tumbled wrinkle free, or less free before being put in a dryer or hung up / out!!
I do like the idea of i-dos, but like you say also the ability to use powders etc and other additives. Looking forward to seeing them launched. 
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| Post# 705270 , Reply# 82 9/25/2013 at 12:16 (3,863 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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I think of it as gimmickery When the clothes are distributed to the sides of the metal drum, it will set even more wrinkles, I bet and these will be even harder to remove... | ||
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Post# 705276 , Reply# 83 9/25/2013 at 12:33 (3,863 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I thought the heater would come on after the (automatically reduced) spin cycle and heats the drum so that clothes are tumbled aginst a heated surface - similar to what happens during ironing. That's how I understand it.
"When the 'Pre-ironing' option is selected, the new honeycomb drum is pre-heated. The hot drum and the new sculptured surface with its larger hexagons and wider channels removes the wrinkles from laundry even before the load is transferred to the tumble dryer. Depending on the programme, this additional function can be simply selected at the touch of a button."
www.miele-presse.de/de/en/press/a... | ||
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Post# 705279 , Reply# 84 9/25/2013 at 12:39 (3,863 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Post# 705280 , Reply# 85 9/25/2013 at 12:51 (3,863 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 705287 , Reply# 86 9/25/2013 at 13:22 (3,863 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Yes......
The heater does come on with the very small amount of water in the sump area, so it heats the metal surface of the drum (which acts like an iron) with risidual heat and a tiny amount of steam / water which raises the temp of the drum, because of the honycombs as opposed to holes, the heat mainly stays in the gap between the inner drums, warming up the inner drum...hence it being called "SoftSteam"
The Zug Adora uses this type of steam operation instead of a separate generator!! | ||
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Post# 705314 , Reply# 87 9/25/2013 at 16:25 (3,863 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Post# 705360 , Reply# 88 9/25/2013 at 18:57 (3,862 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Do a Google Picture Search on "laddered tights" and you'll see.
More on the Miele CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 705363 , Reply# 89 9/25/2013 at 19:06 (3,862 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Laddering Of Stockings or Tights | ||
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Post# 705466 , Reply# 90 9/26/2013 at 10:58 (3,862 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Post# 706655 , Reply# 91 10/1/2013 at 19:32 (3,856 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 712132 , Reply# 92 10/29/2013 at 17:30 (3,829 days old) by NewMieleUser () | ||
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cost? Some great discussion on this new Miele but does anyone have any idea on a rough cost? Even just ballpark would do.Am looking to get a new washer dryer here in the UK for a house move in around Easter next year and these models seem perfet. Thanks | ||
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Post# 712156 , Reply# 93 10/29/2013 at 19:16 (3,828 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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This brochure, although in German, does list the price for every machine. The washers are from 1.300 to 2.000 Euros and the dryers range from 1.200 to 1.600 Euros - to give you a rough idea.
miele.de/ex/prospects/de/2013_04/... | ||
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Post# 712213 , Reply# 94 10/30/2013 at 08:18 (3,828 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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But these seem to be not as good as they should be for that price.... | ||
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Post# 712215 , Reply# 95 10/30/2013 at 08:33 (3,828 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 713088 , Reply# 97 11/4/2013 at 06:46 (3,823 days old) by johnnybu () | ||
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@mrwash Can you give us the link to this german forum please? Thank you! | ||
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Post# 713115 , Reply# 98 11/4/2013 at 11:15 (3,823 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Try this (you must be registered, though)
mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/forum/ind... Here's a Miele that belongs to one of the German members - fast-forward to about 20:00 to hear it spin... :-( | ||
| Post# 714720 , Reply# 100 11/11/2013 at 20:51 (3,815 days old) by turboace (Wilmington, NC) | ||
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Post# 714744 , Reply# 101 11/11/2013 at 23:43 (3,815 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Well, the Professional washers are way faster and more durable. If that is to expensive, you could may try to get an ASKO er so | ||
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Post# 714746 , Reply# 102 11/11/2013 at 23:59 (3,815 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I'd say you should either invest in a Pro model and be done with it or get a Speed Queen and either sanitize with bleach and an extra rinse or put the diapers through the dryer on max temp and maybe a little too much time (basicall over-dry them because that's when clothes get really hot).
The Miele's Octo line, the domestic W4000 line and the SQs have the same drum volume of 80 liters, I think. The warranty thing is interesting. It seems that Miele offers its 10 Year Warranty on select domestic washing machines everywhere but in the US. I wonder why. | ||
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Post# 714782 , Reply# 104 11/12/2013 at 03:53 (3,815 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 714796 , Reply# 105 11/12/2013 at 04:52 (3,815 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 715047 , Reply# 107 11/13/2013 at 09:13 (3,814 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK) | ||
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Surprised Bosch in the states are still using a brushed motor, everywhere else they're all brushless (all WAS, all WAY, select WAP models anyway). Surprised none of you lot of purchased a new Miele yet, interested to see more videos, and in better quality too. | ||
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Post# 715054 , Reply# 108 11/13/2013 at 10:36 (3,814 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Post# 715350 , Reply# 111 11/14/2013 at 15:09 (3,813 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Weclome To The World Of Miele
*LOL*
Was watching the film "Marathon Man" past weekend on television and the end scene with the German trying to talk Dustin Hoffman out of killing him pretty much fit how one feels about Miele. All the while DH's character was telling the German to "not move", "don't come any close" the German just keeps talking over him as if nothing DH says is of any consequence, in short *you* don't matter, only us. Miele does make some wonderful appliances but their customer service tends to leave myself and others cold. You will be told "the machine cannot be doing that". If you continue and insist then it is "what have *YOU* been doing to the machine?" "maybe you have been using the wrong products or don't know how to do laundry properly...). When Miele USA finally does agree you'll need a service call count on waiting several days to two weeks (or longer) for someone to show up. This new breaking down of service charges is something new for Miele USA. Remember them telling us about it when going through it over our W1070. Basically rather than bill flat hourly charges as they used to; now you pay for different bits. There is a charge to come out, another to "diagnose", yet another for labour, and of course parts. As for quality the W4000 series didn't live long and from what one understands both the washer and matching dryer gave more problems than they were worth. It doesn't surprise me that Miele pulled the plug on both so soon after introduction. Many persons purchased these uber-sized Miele units thinking at last they would get a German built quality Miele product with American size capacity. Er, wrong! *LOL* When the washer worked, things were fine, but more often than not things kept going wrong. Door seals leaking, water/suds coming out of the detergent dispenser, internal flood control registering it detected "leaks" then shutting down the machine. To remedy this often fault MieleUSA would tell customers to tip the washer forward, then allow it to "air and rest" for a day or so. So there you are sitting with a washing machine that equals a mortgage payment for some, and it is sitting their airing out for a few days. This of course means you cannot do laundry unless there is a back-up washer, or hit the Laundromat. To the OP: You might wish to consider finding an older Miele model such as the 19XX or even 12XX series that will do very hot to boiling washes. Have seen several NIB/uninstalled sets of 12XX series on fleaPay over the past few months. You also find new or slightly used 19xx series units on same as well. For your other routine laundry have you considered purchasing a soft mount Wascomat or similar commercial machine? You can find them often on eBay as well (someone just sold a NIB older Wascomat that only fetched <$500). If the washer is close enough to water heater and you prime the tap before it fills you should get a decent hot wash. If you set the pre-wash to warm that will heat up the machine and you'll have less heat loss during the hot wash cycle. Look also at some of the OPL offerings from Electrolux and Wascomat. They may have a few more cycles and bells than Laundromat machines. There are other European washing machines sold in the USA that will reach hot to maybe boil wash temps. Both Fagor and Blomberg come to mind; however their service network may be small to nil in your local area. | ||
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Post# 715358 , Reply# 112 11/14/2013 at 15:35 (3,813 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 715503 , Reply# 114 11/15/2013 at 10:26 (3,812 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Well, I played with the new series at the store and have come to pretty much the same conclusions as other members from Germany.
- door is now all plastic - not that it's a bad thing as such but I don't think I would slam the door shut like the previous door allowed one to do - cycle knob has some play to it, while the knob from the W3000 series clicks firmly into place - that orange door handle could be slid around the door frame (from the actual position at 10 o' clock to 2 o' clock) - detergent dispenser is very wobbly
The dryers are actually nicer. The lint filter pulls out towards you just like a drawer, which I liked.
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| Post# 716002 , Reply# 116 11/18/2013 at 05:01 (3,809 days old) by moon1234 (Wisconsin) | ||
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Closer picture where the gear can be better seen. 
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| Post# 716003 , Reply# 117 11/18/2013 at 05:05 (3,809 days old) by moon1234 (Wisconsin) | ||
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Overview with the top off. Water path control unit on the top left. Followed by a link to a video where the clicking can be seen and heard. CLICK HERE TO GO TO moon1234's LINK 
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Post# 716007 , Reply# 118 11/18/2013 at 05:24 (3,809 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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| Post# 716104 , Reply# 119 11/18/2013 at 18:18 (3,808 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
New W1 T1
- door is now all plastic - not that it's a bad thing as such but I don't think I would slam the door shut like the previous door allowed one to do
I understand this is on the white edition models,chrome edition still have a chrome surround with a polycarbonate insert which I like better. - cycle knob has some play to it, while the knob from the W3000 series clicks firmly into place It does have a softer feel and no 'stop' position - that orange door handle could be slid around the door frame (from the actual position at 10 o' clock to 2 o' clock) This is because you can change the hinging on the doors on the white edition models - detergent dispenser is very wobbly Probably due to the size which now incorporates the cap dosing system I have the W 5965 WPS and T 8929 WP and I like them, would I upgrade to the new generation? Probably yes but I would still keep my current ones too. I do like the flexibility of the additional functions now with the ability to programme a high rinse level and also adjust the water plus levels. | ||
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Post# 716139 , Reply# 120 11/18/2013 at 20:15 (3,808 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Where does it say that the hinging can be changed? I can't find any reference to it.
The dispenser is wobbly because it doesn't sit in its tracks as tightly as the previous one. It slides in and out with hardly any resistance. The flexbility is great. I just wished Miele had made better use of the jet. The way it fills for a rinse is nice, though. | ||
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| Post# 716932 , Reply# 129 11/21/2013 at 19:40 (3,805 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Think I would rather have one of the new little giants here in the USA than this machine I see here. | ||
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Post# 740040 , Reply# 130 3/7/2014 at 10:27 (3,700 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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They made it to the UK | ||
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Post# 740072 , Reply# 131 3/7/2014 at 12:51 (3,700 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Miele UK Launch Show... | ||
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Post# 740078 , Reply# 132 3/7/2014 at 13:21 (3,700 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"You Are Now Inside The Drum" | ||
| Post# 740221 , Reply# 133 3/8/2014 at 06:37 (3,699 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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Post# 740226 , Reply# 134 3/8/2014 at 07:06 (3,699 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Yes: click on a model, then on Specifications and scroll down.
I read through some parts of the manual and AllergoWash still states that it would merely extend the temperature holding time during the main wash. Well, several owners from the German forum have confirmed that the washer actually does a steam phase after the main wash. The way one user found out about this is because her clothes started to shrink despite a low wash temp. And what's up with that gentle option that also adds a steam smoothing cycle after the wash? How's that gentle? If I want extra gentle treatment, I don't want steam or ironing by the ThermoCare drum. Finally, has anyone seen the QuickPowerWash cycle on YT? 45 minutes of washing and then just one brief spin burst and two short rinses for a 5 kg load? The emphasis is clearly on PowerWASH. Of the four people on the German forum, one had his W1 exchanged for an older model, another one sold his W1, yet another one had customer service out several times and one is happy but admits that his machine has some quirks. Alex | ||
| Post# 740397 , Reply# 135 3/8/2014 at 16:42 (3,699 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Hi Logixx,
I read the German manual for the WKR770WPS and the QuickPowerWash has only 1 rinse!! Not a programme I would use. I love my W 5965 WPS and I don't think I will upgrade it to the new model. If I do I will keep the one I have. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielerod69's LINK | ||
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Post# 740411 , Reply# 136 3/8/2014 at 17:44 (3,698 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Yikes, you're right! I have an older manual for that washer and it still lists two rinses and a water consumption of 50 liters, instead of 36.
I do think that these machines are very flexible and have lots of interesting technology in them... but there still seem to be some growing pains to be fixed. Reminds me of when Miele launched the W4000 and T9000 models in the US: sagging doors and detergent dispensers that poped open on the washers and the gas dryers even had a safety recall. Alex | ||
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