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Thread Number: 47302
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
I went to see a guy about a dryer... and brought these home too! |
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Post# 686987 7/2/2013 at 22:28 (3,949 days old) by revvinkevin  (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 686988 , Reply# 1 7/2/2013 at 22:30 (3,949 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 686990 , Reply# 2 7/2/2013 at 22:32 (3,949 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 686993 , Reply# 3 7/2/2013 at 22:40 (3,949 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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It's interesting the washer has a recirculation function / feature ala the WP/KM Calypso (and others I'm sure).
So far the washer seems to work fine except for one little, teensy, tiny thing. The valve that switches between recirculate/drain does not always do so.. So when it's supposed to be recirculating, it's draining instead and the inlet valve then opens to fill the tub back up to the proper level. This of course means water is flowing in and right out and down the drain. Not good. I'm planning to move out one of my 3 connected gas dryers and move this F&P dryer in this weekend to test it out / put into use. Oh, is there any way to tell how old these are?? Thanks much! Kevin | ||
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Post# 687088 , Reply# 4 7/3/2013 at 09:57 (3,949 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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"This of course means water is flowing in and right out and down the drain."
Sweet, this means the washer uses still more water! More water always equates to better cleaning performance don'tcha know... Perhaps this is a new feature. /sarcasm_off It is a neat pair one surely doesn't see every day. Will be interesting to hear comments on the dryer performance when you get it running! | ||
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Post# 687095 , Reply# 5 7/3/2013 at 10:24 (3,949 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Same models I've had for almost 9 years, except electric dryer DEGX1. IWL12 / serial #BKN647921 = 2004 October DGGX1 / serial #BLN326371 = 2004 December The washer has tons of options, including a programmable prewash, six wash temp settings, adjustable ATC target temps, several rinse choices, 1,010 RPM spin, automatic water level sensing or five manual choices, and automatic agitation speed per the sensed load characteristics and selected soil level. Dryer tumble reverses for 40 seconds every 4 mins throughout the cycle. Has a self-scraping lint filter that drops lint into a collection bucket which needs emptying only when it's full. Auto-wrinkle function tumbles for 30 seconds every 5 mins for 255 repetitions, which is a smidgeon less than 24 hrs. | ||
| Post# 687109 , Reply# 6 7/3/2013 at 12:47 (3,949 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs) | ||
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Post# 687114 , Reply# 7 7/3/2013 at 13:11 (3,949 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Five soil levels from Less to More, plus Stained. Stained runs alternating periods of agitation and soaking. There's a separate 2-hr soak option. Time Saver option cuts the cycle time in half. There are animated icons for all cycle phases ... filling, eco active wash, fabric sensing, water level sensing, agitated wash, rinse, spin. Creasables: 1) increases the auto-sensed water level by one level higher than would otherwise be selected (but not higher than maximum of course); 2) adds an agitated cool-down rinse (no spin prior); 3) reduces the final spin speed and time. Wool is a specific agitation profile. Handwash is a *very* gentle agitation profile, two rinses, and also seems to increase the water level. | ||
| Post# 687124 , Reply# 8 7/3/2013 at 14:00 (3,949 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
cool! | ||
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Post# 687157 , Reply# 9 7/3/2013 at 17:28 (3,949 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 687158 , Reply# 10 7/3/2013 at 17:29 (3,949 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 687175 , Reply# 11 7/3/2013 at 20:31 (3,948 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
One of my faverite washers !
Kevin I have litereture & service manuel for F & P washers if needed . Agitation is always changing depending on load and fabric. Complaintes...Boards & pumps sometimes have problems...then Not at all . As we know Whirlpool have worked together on Cabrio ..and there high end Maytag .. Motors and tubs . Autoreversing dryers to me is a must have when dealing with sheets and bulky items . The only complant for the toploading dryer was short people cant reach easeily at the bottom of the drum . I beleave you get 10 to 15 loads of lint before discarding . Dadoes ..should know more on that . I sold over 200 Paykel washers ! I should have 3 by the companey lol Dadoes.. how long have you had your pair .. and have your had any problems thanks . 
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Post# 687294 , Reply# 13 7/4/2013 at 14:29 (3,948 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Funny, you can turn high efficency on and off, even through they seem to have an impellor. | ||
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Post# 687303 , Reply# 14 7/4/2013 at 16:21 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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F&P AquaSmart models, now renamed as CleanSmart on some markets, are HE impeller washers. Some cycles operate only in HE mode, some in deep-fill mode, and some offer a choice. As we know, the original Oasis, Cabrio, and Bravos (with the F&P-style motor) were siblings to the AquaSmart ... or vice-versa. EcoSmart and Intuitive Eco are agitator machines that tout the Eco Active wash process to reduce energy consumption. EcoSmart machines automatically run Eco Active on most cycles (Heavy, Regular, Delicate, Woolens, and possibly Allergy which is on some newer models ... not on Perm Press). There is an easy workaround to get a full-fill hot wash, outlined in the instruction manual but most people don't read their instructions, or consider that the special cycle can be used to wash clothes. Intuitive Eco has a specific option for Traditional Wash, and has programmed Lifecycles that offer temp combos not available on EcoSmart, such as a cold Eco Active phase followed by a warm agitated wash on the Blood/Grass stained cycle, or warm/hot Eco Active followed by a warm agitated period on Tomato stained cycle. However, Intuitive Eco was discontinued on the U.S market after the IWL16 model. | ||
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Post# 687315 , Reply# 15 7/4/2013 at 17:47 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I don't mean to hijack Kevin's thread, but I thought I'd post the IWL12 options and settings screens for those who may be interested. Wash temperature choices. All rinses are cold. Target temps are per a diagnostic screen. Factory default temp for the "normal" cycle is Warm/Cold. The default can be reset per user preference. Cold = tap cold Cold+ = ATC cold (16°C) Warm/Cold = ATC 34°C Warm = ATC 46°C Warm/Hot = ATC 51°C Hot = ATC 69°C (or essentially tap hot) 
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Post# 687316 , Reply# 16 7/4/2013 at 17:50 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687319 , Reply# 17 7/4/2013 at 17:57 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Water reduction rinse options. If the default rinse is spin-sprays and 1 deep-fill agitated rinse: SaveWater = shower rinse (volume of water varies per load size) Eco = shower rinse reduced 25% further If the default rinse is two deep-fill agitated rinses: SaveWater = 1 deep rinse Eco = same as above 
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Post# 687320 , Reply# 18 7/4/2013 at 17:58 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687321 , Reply# 19 7/4/2013 at 17:59 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687322 , Reply# 20 7/4/2013 at 18:02 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687324 , Reply# 21 7/4/2013 at 18:04 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687329 , Reply# 22 7/4/2013 at 18:10 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Choice of two speeds for the final spin on the "normal" cycle. I'm not sure if the Lifecycles follow this option or are hardwired for specific speeds. Comforter cycle for sure is always low. Handwash is always low. Creasables is low by default or medium by another option. Woolens is medium. Fast / 1,000 RPM in fact reaches 1,010 RPM. 
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Post# 687331 , Reply# 23 7/4/2013 at 18:14 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687332 , Reply# 24 7/4/2013 at 18:18 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687333 , Reply# 25 7/4/2013 at 18:21 (3,948 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687334 , Reply# 26 7/4/2013 at 18:24 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687336 , Reply# 27 7/4/2013 at 18:31 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Four default rinse options for the "normal" cycle. Single Deep and Double Deep eliminates sprays in the first spin. Double Deep there's no spin before the first rinse. Handwash, Creasables, and some of the Lifecycles (Comforter, Shoes, Muddy, Allergy, Beach Gear, and possibly Allergy) run a double deep rinse. 
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Post# 687337 , Reply# 28 7/4/2013 at 18:32 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687338 , Reply# 29 7/4/2013 at 18:36 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Auto off-balance recovery. The machine tries to spin three times (each attempt extracts some water which helps lessen the off-balance condition). If the OOB switch triggers the third time, it refills and agitates to distribute the load, then tries three more times. It stops and beeps for help if spin still fails. Off by default to eliminate use of the extra water. 
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| Post# 687339 , Reply# 30 7/4/2013 at 18:36 (3,947 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 687340 , Reply# 31 7/4/2013 at 18:36 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687341 , Reply# 32 7/4/2013 at 18:37 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687342 , Reply# 33 7/4/2013 at 18:41 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The next screens are programmed Lifecycle choices. Favorite allows setting a custom cycle with a specific combination of options -- water level, temp, soak, time saver, traditional wash, etc. ... even starting at a specific cycle position. Adjust the options as desired, call up the Lifecycle / Favorite screen and select Remember Settings. Then run the cycle at any time via Lifecycle / Favorite / Use Favorite. 
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Post# 687343 , Reply# 34 7/4/2013 at 19:01 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Diaper Rinse = drain, brief spin, cold agitated rinse (Medium Wash agitation profile, adjustable by soil level), spin with sprays, final spin. Comforter = Warm traditional wash, high water level, Easy Wash agitation profile, two deep rinses, slow spin. Pauses before the final spin, prompts the user to push the item down below medium/high water level and press Start to continue. This is to protect a bulky item that has billow-up from damage during spin. Allergy = hot Eco Active wash, warm/hot agitated wash, extra rinses (double deep and sprays in the final spin). 
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Post# 687344 , Reply# 35 7/4/2013 at 19:07 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Sweaty = warm/hot Eco Active and agitated wash. Muddy = cold prewash, cold Eco Active, cold agitated wash, double deep rinse, spin sprays. Sports Shoes = warm/cold traditional wash at medium/low water level with a 15-min soak period, double deep rinse. Also useful for children's stuffed toys. Beach Gear = cold Eco Active, cold agitated wash, double rinse. 
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Post# 687345 , Reply# 36 7/4/2013 at 19:12 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687346 , Reply# 37 7/4/2013 at 19:15 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Tub Clean = hot Eco Active, hot agitated wash at high water level, 2-hr soak, double deep rinse, short spin. Max Wash = runs maximum agitation profile with what is otherwise a "normal" cycle sequence. The soil level is still selectable to vary the agitation profile a little within the maximum range. 
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Post# 687353 , Reply# 38 7/4/2013 at 19:44 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687354 , Reply# 39 7/4/2013 at 19:45 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 687356 , Reply# 40 7/4/2013 at 19:50 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Machine Status. Diverter = Off, Heating, On, or Cooling. The Home button toggles the diverter on/off for testing. OOB = Off or On. Push the tub toward the right/rear to trigger the off-balance switch for testing. T = thermistor temp reading. Target = ATC target temp, active only during Eco Active or agitated wash fill. Size (refers to basket diamater) and HVDC are displayed info. 
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Post# 687357 , Reply# 41 7/4/2013 at 19:55 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Version Status is a "hidden" diagnostic screen that I found. CC, MC, and Display refer to software and hardware versions of the motor board and display board. RPM is the instantaneous reading from the motor, either during agitation and spin or if the basket is rotated manually. Diagnostics on this model can be accessed while a cycle runs. Pressing How Dirty Up button runs the hot water valve (at any time in Diagnostic Mode). Pressing How Dirty Down button runs the cold water valve. Pressing Fabric Care button toggles the pump on/off. 
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Post# 687358 , Reply# 42 7/4/2013 at 20:06 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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This is another "hidden" diagnostic screen. It reports some cryptic information about water level and fabric sensing, I have no idea what the numbers mean. The header line changes per what's happening during the process -- Fill, Water Level Sense, Mix-Up, Water Level Re-Sense, Fabric Sense, Not in Sense. Unknown Fab changes to the selected profile when sensing is finished. WL at the bottom/middle refers to the water level, I think depth in millimeters. 
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Post# 687359 , Reply# 43 7/4/2013 at 20:15 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Control Options. Restart = enabled by default, which makes the machine restart when a fault occurs in an attempt to continue the cycle. It may try to continue several times before throwing a fault code. Restart can be disabled as a service aid to catch a fault immediately instead of waiting for several restarts. Recycle = disabled by default. Enabling it makes the machine loop repeatedly through a cycle from start to finish as a service aid to catch an intermittent fault. Hot Tub = the controller board automatically sets the Hot Tub flag during a cycle when a warm or hot wash fill occurs, then automatically clears it after the cold rinse. Hot Tub flag set restricts maximum spin speed to medium / 670 RPM to protect the plastic tub and basket parts from potential damage at high heat. This restriction can occur if the user manually advances the cycle to the final spin before the rinse occurs, or if the cycle is canceled or interrupted by a fault. Hot Tub can be manually turned off if it's still set, as a service aid. 
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Post# 687360 , Reply# 44 7/4/2013 at 20:17 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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One more. Machine Size. This is a separate settings menu, not directly part of diagnostics. F&P washers on the NZ/Aus and other world markets are sold in three capacity sizes. The controller board must be set for the physical size (basket diameter) of the machine in which it's installed, for proper agitation profiles and water levels. The size doesn't need to change, of course, after it's set but a new controller board would need to be set before first use. All machines sold on the U.S. market are the largest size. 
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| Post# 687459 , Reply# 46 7/5/2013 at 13:37 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687460 , Reply# 47 7/5/2013 at 13:47 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687461 , Reply# 48 7/5/2013 at 13:51 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687462 , Reply# 49 7/5/2013 at 13:53 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687463 , Reply# 50 7/5/2013 at 13:56 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687464 , Reply# 51 7/5/2013 at 13:58 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687465 , Reply# 52 7/5/2013 at 14:03 (3,947 days old) by Aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 687484 , Reply# 54 7/5/2013 at 15:55 (3,947 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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F&P top load dryer has always fascinated me. Does it always end with the open side up? or do you roll it around? | ||
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Post# 687505 , Reply# 55 7/5/2013 at 18:04 (3,947 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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It always stops with the drum open, at the top of course or the clothes would fall out! ... unless there's a power failure or malfunction. The lid will unlock on a power failure and the drum can be opened by holding an exposed tab on the lid grabber mechanism and manually rotating the drum. A sticker on exterior of the drum provides instructions. I've not had a need to do that in 9 years. | ||
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