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Post# 106582   1/29/2006 at 14:28 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Guys,

I found this machine yesterday while curbside crawling, Its a two speed machine, with infinitely variable water temp, solid tub, infinitely variable water level (measured by pressure switch) 4 wash/spin speed combos.

I'm assuming that this is a Beam design of machine? Can anyone let me know if thats a correct assumption?






Post# 106583 , Reply# 1   1/29/2006 at 14:29 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Timer

Time control and motor reset button.

Post# 106584 , Reply# 2   1/29/2006 at 14:30 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Thermostat and Water levels

Water supply button tells it whether to open the hot or cold valve for wash, and the press to heat button turns on the heater until the thermostat is satisfied.

Post# 106585 , Reply# 3   1/29/2006 at 14:31 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Wash speed and temp selector

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Post# 106586 , Reply# 4   1/29/2006 at 14:32 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Washbowl and Agitator

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Post# 106587 , Reply# 5   1/29/2006 at 14:34 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Drain tub fill, recirc port and Rinse Fill

Water enters the machine into the drain tub through the little inlet hose, until the pressure switch is satisfied.

If the heater is turned on, the machine then heats.

Once the water is at the right temp, the machine starts and pumps the water up through the hose on the left.

During Rinse the water is inlet from the hose on the right.


Post# 106588 , Reply# 6   1/29/2006 at 14:36 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Wiring Diagram

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Post# 106589 , Reply# 7   1/29/2006 at 14:36 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Installers Instructions

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Post# 106590 , Reply# 8   1/29/2006 at 14:37 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Front cover logo

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Post# 106591 , Reply# 9   1/29/2006 at 14:38 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Motor and agitate/spin solenoids

Is this a Beam design? It looks a lot like Roberts Wizard

Post# 106593 , Reply# 10   1/29/2006 at 14:39 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Front Left View

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Post# 106594 , Reply# 11   1/29/2006 at 14:40 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Inlet valves

The dual one on the right is for wash, and inlets water to the drain tub

The one of the left is for rinse and is cold only into the wash bowl.


Post# 106595 , Reply# 12   1/29/2006 at 14:41 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Suds, wash, drain diverter valves

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Post# 106596 , Reply# 13   1/29/2006 at 14:42 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Thermostat and Heating element

Notice the asbestos covered wires.

Thermal protected :D


Post# 106597 , Reply# 14   1/29/2006 at 14:44 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Inside of Control panel

On the right is a Relay and the speed select control

Post# 106598 , Reply# 15   1/29/2006 at 14:45 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Inside of Control Panel 2

Thermostat and Pressure switch

Post# 106599 , Reply# 16   1/29/2006 at 14:45 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Timer

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Post# 106600 , Reply# 17   1/29/2006 at 14:46 (6,633 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Finally - A vent at the back

Which is perrished and strangely deformed.

Does anyone know what purpose it serves?


Post# 106601 , Reply# 18   1/29/2006 at 14:46 (6,633 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow Nathan, what a cool machine!!! Great find if you ask me!

This machine does appear to be a Beam design, judging by those two mega-solenoids and Fluid Drive. The pump looks like the same one used on solid-tub SQ machines as well.


Post# 106628 , Reply# 19   1/29/2006 at 18:17 (6,633 days old) by oldwasherguy (Ladson SC)        
brisnat81

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thats a neat lookin machine buddy,agreat find too.

Post# 106687 , Reply# 20   1/29/2006 at 22:21 (6,633 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

It is indeed unfortunate that more TL washer manufacturers didn't explore the benefits of a fluid drive, also known as a viscous drive, for their spin clutch mechanisms. Properly designed, a fluid drive can be used instead of a dry clutch having no plate wear, little motor loading at initial spin, and potentially higher spin speeds. I know early Hotpoint and some Speed Queen washers used them. Maybe some of you know why fluid drives have not been widely used.

Post# 106784 , Reply# 21   1/30/2006 at 10:28 (6,632 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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WOW, that is the third one of those Beam designed Simpson washers to show up in just a few months.

Congrats Nathan! I love the idea of measuring the water level in the outer tub and then pumping up into the inner tub. Thanks for all the great pictures!


Post# 106785 , Reply# 22   1/30/2006 at 10:30 (6,632 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Oh and I forgot to mention in my previous post that it absolutely a Beam design machine, the wizard looks quite different underneath.

Post# 106789 , Reply# 23   1/30/2006 at 10:47 (6,632 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Wow! Doesn't it get the award for the biggest, most ornate console!

Post# 106823 , Reply# 24   1/30/2006 at 14:31 (6,632 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Its one complicated TL machine

I was prety impressed by the way it measures water also. You get the best of both worlds, a solid tub, and the ability to heat/measure the water, all without the wastage that comes with an overflow fill.

Wiring and mechanically, it seems to be one of the most complicated machines I've come across. The Beam mechanism is complicated for starters, but I've never seen an old TL machine that has a relay to provide logic.

My understanding is, that the relay controls the shift from fill/heating to pumping the water up and wash.

Does anyone know what the Weight Fill switch and the Holding switch shown in the diagram do? I'm not familiar with the Beam design.

Next time I'm up at Michaels mothers, I'll take a new cord up with and give it power and see what happens. When I opened the control panel, which hinges nicely on two support brackets, I found that the pressure tube was off the pressure switch, and that its stretched and loose at the end. Who knows I might get lucky.

Does any one know what the rubber lump on the back of the Washbowl is for?


Post# 106835 , Reply# 25   1/30/2006 at 15:54 (6,632 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Wow - what a great find! Thanks for all the pictures too, such a fascinating machine this is. To venture a few guesses, I think the 'rubber lump' on the outside of the outer tub may be an overflow port, in case the water valve would fail. Looking at the wiring diagram, the weight switch appears to have something to do with the agitator solenoid so that would lead me to think that switch is there to prevent the agitator running with no water in the wash-tub. Do you know where the weight switch is? Perhaps at the bottom of the outer tub? If you follow the red wire with black stripe from the agitate solenoid (on the left from the front) you should see where that circuit goes. Not ready to guess on the holding switch, but it also looks to be in series with the agitate solenoid circuit - perhaps something to do with water heating or suds-saving?

Excellent save - congrats!!



Post# 106889 , Reply# 26   1/30/2006 at 20:24 (6,632 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Nathan beat me to it!

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What's so ironic is that i was in the same suburb 2 hours later, but did NOT go down that street on advice from my navigator....last time i'll listen to him!

I told Nathan we should still look for another one to use for parts for the one that i got and now for the one he has.

Leon


Post# 106893 , Reply# 27   1/30/2006 at 20:44 (6,632 days old) by jamman_98 (Columbia, SC)        
Ok am I crazy? Pt 1 , 2 and 3 keep reading

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I was looking at the agitator for the Wizard from PeterH770 collection thread. Take a look. Now go to part 2.

Post# 106894 , Reply# 28   1/30/2006 at 20:46 (6,632 days old) by jamman_98 (Columbia, SC)        
Ok am I crazy Pt 2

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Now look at the Simpson agitator. The go to part 3.

Post# 106895 , Reply# 29   1/30/2006 at 20:47 (6,632 days old) by jamman_98 (Columbia, SC)        
Ok am I crazy Pt 3

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Ok if you have reached the bottom of this thread back up two frames to part 1. These agitators look a lot a like. Has anyone else noticed this?

Joe
jamman_98


Post# 106913 , Reply# 30   1/30/2006 at 22:17 (6,632 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Its very similiar

Even the Lid hinges are the same.

The simpson has an inbuilt tub ring, rather than a wire one though, so the bowl is slightly different.


Post# 106916 , Reply# 31   1/30/2006 at 22:29 (6,632 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I can't wait to see some action shots of this washer - and Peter's for that matter.... Peter! Pull that washer into the workshop and get that going this week - we need to compare!!

Post# 106926 , Reply# 32   1/30/2006 at 23:10 (6,632 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Rinso,

I wonder if cost was a consideration for discontinuing fluid clutches. They had extra bearings that could go out, and a sealed fluid clutch probably wasn't cheap to replace, either. And like early automatic car transmissions, the fluid clutch may also have robbed some horsepower from the machine. I wonder if they overheated.


Post# 106939 , Reply# 33   1/31/2006 at 00:02 (6,632 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Too many Belts

Also, there are belts running around in circles everywhere.

I'm assuming that changing the belts on one of these is a bugger?


Post# 106958 , Reply# 34   1/31/2006 at 04:39 (6,631 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Wiring or What

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Hey Nathan

Great find, this machine looks like it has the best of everything all bar the 1140 spin!!

It looks like the same engineer designed this as the first Keymatic, never thought I`d see another machine with sooo much wiring & belts!!!



Post# 108419 , Reply# 35   2/7/2006 at 21:16 (6,624 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
Solid Tubs

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I have a dumb question. I know perforated washer drums are set inside an outer tub. But what about the solid drum machines? Why no holes? How the heck does the water drain out of those?

Post# 108438 , Reply# 36   2/7/2006 at 22:20 (6,624 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Some solid-basket machines do have an outer tub, some used the cabinet as the outer tub. Water drains out by spinning over the top. Except for one unusual design that lifted the basket up off a seal and the water ran out through a hole under the agitator, although water extracted from the clothes during spin would still go over the top. Oh, and then there's the rubber-tub Bendix Economat that used a vacuum pump to drain the water, collapse the rubber tub and squeeze the clothes against the agitator.

Post# 108540 , Reply# 37   2/8/2006 at 12:40 (6,623 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Greg,

That poor dear is still in the Augusta holding cell. It is classic Franklin underneath, which looks a lot like GE but isn't. Steve 1-18 did plug it in, it hums and dims the lights and that's it!


Post# 108551 , Reply# 38   2/8/2006 at 15:12 (6,623 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Love that yowza-yowza-yowza console! Definitely looks like a Wizard/Coronado inside. Cool! Hope it's up and running soon so we can get some pictures. Congrats!

Post# 108569 , Reply# 39   2/8/2006 at 16:21 (6,623 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
The Machine works perfectly

However, all its rubber bits need replacing, and are NLA in Australia.

The drain port on the back is the worst offender, has anyone ever seen one like it on a Speed Queen before?



Post# 108952 , Reply# 40   2/10/2006 at 21:47 (6,621 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

How exciting! I thopugh that these machines were all well and truly gones, and bothe you and Mayfan have found one each!

Im sure that the rubber parts that need replacing can be fabricated somehow.

What a treasure!


Post# 109115 , Reply# 41   2/11/2006 at 16:32 (6,620 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
What is your email Arrrooohhh?

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Hi arrrooohhh,

You would be quite surprised that there are still some about and i think you would have a good chance in finding one in sydney considering the population and the age of a lot of the suburbs.

Also, what is your email address? I tried to email you,but it got returned.

Leon



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