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Post# 702038   9/8/2013 at 14:59 (3,881 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Does anyone own a tumble dryer? I am thinking of buying one simply because when its wet and not cold enough to have the central heating on I can not dry clothes easily which means damp clothes everywhere. It would mainly be for the winter and days when it rains non stop. I only want a vented one as it will be going in a porch so the hose can hang out the window. The one I want is C rated for energy so is not too bad but just wondered how expensive dryers are to run seeing as I have never owned one before. I quite like White Knight brand as they are made in the UK. Mainly be used for towels and bed sheets etc.




Post# 702041 , Reply# 1   9/8/2013 at 15:12 (3,881 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Dryers....

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....Do cost a bit to run, but they're not enormously expensive to operate.

And your house may well feel warmer when there is not clammy laundry hanging everywhere! The moisture coming from those clothes will make the house feel colder than it would otherwise.

There is not a great deal of difference between the energy consumption of older units and newer ones, because electrical resistance heating is what it is, leaving little way to improve the consumption.

For that reason, you might consider a used or vintage unit, and apply the savings to your first year's electric rates.


Post# 702042 , Reply# 2   9/8/2013 at 15:15 (3,881 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

What about Ebay? Or a charity shop that sells electricals?

Post# 702045 , Reply# 3   9/8/2013 at 15:25 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Well, I think the most of us owns one.....but may be not from the UK, so the running cost change from country to country..not sure about electricity cost there.
Dryers choiche:

For personal experience I can say european models generally changes like night to day from  american ones...  simply incomparable... european are kinda "toys"...

Over here in Italy because of high cost of electricity (the hghest of europe)  dryers are not that common, but gas models sold from speacial dealers along with agitator washers  are spreading always more...the cost of these machines is prohibitive for the most though...
Are also sold british gas models now, that generally have lower costs, but they're still averagely about 700-800 euros vs. the 1200- 1800 or more of US machines..
So since you're in UK and gas models of White Knight are "cheap" over there, about 350£ I suggest you go for it if you have a  gas hook-up available... not sure about gas costs in UK but generally gas is cheaper than electricity...and they're usually faster.
I never watch energy labels....I think they're BS..... most dryers  rated A, A+  yes they have lower consumption of Kwh, but usually they takes longer than others rated B or C... so that the consumption they have at the end is the same or sometimes more.
Not to mention condenser models, they generally takes longer than vented ones.... drying is different, laundry does not come out well as if dried with a vented one, but of course good (and only)  choiche for those that can't vent  outside.
So if you've the possibility I suggest you a gas model, or if not possible a vented dryer... Vintage, even better.
Leave alone newer stuff...
www.thegascompany.ie/iopen24/tumb...
www.applianceconsultants.co.uk/wh...

Even cheaper: www.greenandeasy.co.uk/white-knig...


Post# 702047 , Reply# 4   9/8/2013 at 15:31 (3,881 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Thanks for the links Kenmoreguy. It will have to be electric because I live in a rural area we can't get gas except LPG but I think like you suggest a vented one would be best. Where would be the best place to look for a vintage dryer? Ebay or Charity shop? I can just remember the liberator deluxe tumble dryer but have never seen one since sadly.

Post# 702048 , Reply# 5   9/8/2013 at 15:48 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Vintage....here is one, sturdy Philips: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-d162-t...


Post# 702052 , Reply# 6   9/8/2013 at 15:56 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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A nice US whirlpool,dryer: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/dryer-/1511173...


Post# 702053 , Reply# 7   9/8/2013 at 15:58 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 702056 , Reply# 8   9/8/2013 at 15:58 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 702058 , Reply# 9   9/8/2013 at 16:03 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 702059 , Reply# 10   9/8/2013 at 16:05 (3,881 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Second Hand Dryers Can Represent Good Value For Money

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If one goes about the thing properly.


Tumble dryers on average are rather sturdy and long lived appliances with proper use and care. Even some of the more better built models can survive years with improper treatment and will still scrub up well.

Most persons chuck perfectly good dryers because they want something "new", usually to match a recent washing machine purchase. This and the desire to simply upgrade or simply want something "different" are common reasons for perfectly good tumble dryers going to the tip or being sold on.

First decide what your needs are in terms of space, type (vented/non-vented, gas or electric) and if you want something modern with all the bells and whistles or simply a box that will dry your clothing. Do you want a machine that reverses? If vented where will it go to be near an outside wall or window? Do you want something portable so it can be moved about into place as needed then shoved away otherwise?

As for where to purchase the world is your oyster. Ebay and appliance resellers are obvious first choices. If possible try to purchase something you can clap eyes on before money changes hands. You don't want to spend dearly for some grotty old bit of tat that is going to require extensive work to bring up to standard.

Great thing about purchasing used is that often you can pick up a TOL unit such as offerings from Miele, AEG and so forth for very little money. However if purchasing something older it is wise to inquire (here in the group or from other sources) as to the availability of spares. Miele for instance only promises to stock parts for 20 years after a model is discontinued.



Post# 702060 , Reply# 11   9/8/2013 at 16:06 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 702061 , Reply# 12   9/8/2013 at 16:07 (3,881 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
You Fancy White Knight Dryers?

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There are scores on eBay UK at the moment.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK on eBay


Post# 702062 , Reply# 13   9/8/2013 at 16:11 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 702066 , Reply# 14   9/8/2013 at 16:20 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Hotpoint liberator, this is what you wanted?: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOTPOINT-17460...


Post# 702071 , Reply# 15   9/8/2013 at 16:49 (3,881 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Tumble Dryers

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Try & get yourself one of these old classics. The weather here in Cumbria has been well wet of late, full cotton load straight out the washer dried in 55 minutes.

Post# 702088 , Reply# 16   9/8/2013 at 18:23 (3,881 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
If economy is your main concern

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then you need to go for a new "heat pump " dryer !
Ok they take a bit longer than the classic above but if times not an issue then what takes a while saves a fortune the max input on the Beko I have is 900 watts so when you consider most dryers run at 2.5/3 kw thats a large difference it will of course be non vented but as it really is a closed system there really is no steam or dust to be found.

Austin


Post# 702095 , Reply# 17   9/8/2013 at 18:34 (3,881 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

That Huebsh looks pretty nice. Don't worry about what the Ebay seller says about having to be wired into the mains. You can have a cord installed on it. Unless some UK code requires dryers to be hard wired. And it is a 230V 50 cycle Huebsh too.

I have a 20 year old Whirlpool dryer that has never had to have a repair. Even the interior light bulb is still the original.


Post# 702099 , Reply# 18   9/8/2013 at 18:46 (3,881 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Energy Costs Of Running A Tumble Dryer

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Are directly related to how much moisture is left in the wash load that must be evaporated. Miele and AEG among other brands printed or at least used to drying times based upon various levels of washing machine extraction. This would range from say 800rpms all the way up to 2800rpms (spin dryer). For both vented and condenser dryers energy use/drying time drops dramatically the more water is spun out of the wash load. Difference is greater from say 800rpms and 1200rpms, however once you go to 1800rpms to 2800rpms the numbers begin to level out.

If your washing machine does not have final spin speed at or >1000rpms you might wish to consider a separate spin dryer. Yes, it adds another step on wash day and no not everything will fit (large cotton blankets for instance), but the amount of water flung out of laundry by these devices is often amazing. Spin dryers remove the water so your dryer does not have to, and that translates into energy savings.

You may not notice much of a difference with light cottons such as percale sheets and your shirts, but for heavy items like towels and other bath linen there is a measurable difference. Best of all spin dryers consume *much* less energy than tumble dryers. Barely 50watts IIRC.


Post# 702255 , Reply# 19   9/9/2013 at 10:04 (3,880 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I don't ever remember not owning a tumble dryer. My Mum got her first dryer in 1979 and we've had one ever since. I'd be totally lost without it. I rarely use the dryer for clothes - it's mostly for bedding and towels and things that take up a lot of space to dry in the house when it's wet outside.

A few things to consider:

Condenser dryers are more convenient as they can be placed anywhere, but they take a lot longer than a vented dryer and require more maintenance.

Single direction dryers have a habbit of tangling up large items like towels and bed sheets.

White Knight dryers may be made in Britain, but the newer models are notorious for bearing failure and they no longer reverse like other conventional multi-direction dryers. Indesit and Hotpoint basic vented dryers are far more reliable and also still made in the UK at the old Hotpoint plant.


Post# 702257 , Reply# 20   9/9/2013 at 10:20 (3,880 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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That Speed Queen dryer draws 21 Amps, so more than the normal 13 Amps in the UK. So the seller is right about the dryer needs to be hard wired.

Post# 702294 , Reply# 21   9/9/2013 at 14:45 (3,880 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Thanks for all the helpful links KenmoreGuy and Laundress. Have plenty to read and make an informed decision.

Post# 702295 , Reply# 22   9/9/2013 at 14:48 (3,880 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Ok Chris ill bear that in mind. Like yourself I would only be using it for sheets and towels mainly. Would it be best to go for a full size one or would a compact model be ok? I never thought about the reverse tumble but I guess it makes sense to have.

Post# 702296 , Reply# 23   9/9/2013 at 14:49 (3,880 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Hard wiring a dryer.....well, there're a few school of thought about it, in the USA things changes than europe and UK and you actually are  generally *never* required to hard wire a dryer to a 240 volt hook up, they're generally already predisposed for dryers or stoves and so  wires are already large enough, so the same way plugs and oulets are  meant to  support it...
Hard wiring  it's  always recomended  in europe even if not *always* needed, this also and mosyly because some houses may have  too small wires  going to a plug,  especially old homes, so  hard wiring   is reccomended also to make sure the wires are big enough...
but  as said   this is not *always* necessary as long as you use a good plug and you're sure wires can support such absorbition...even  slightly  underrated household  plugs may be fine   but hey have to be good ones....otherwise you can opt to have installed a 220/240 volt industrial outlet..
dolnoslaskie.all.biz/it/prese-e-s...


I have seen a bunch of these dryers hooked up with simple schucko plugs over here in Italy, and as far as I know they worked fine... in one case  I also seen one  adapted to normal italian outlets ( the large pins outlets) with adaptors from 240 volt household hook-up to industrial one: www.bsmacchine.it/product_info.ph...<<

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www.shopmania.it/componenti-elett...

 


That was a church community near here that had it for the youth dorm/summer camp self  service laundry... I find italian plugs to be better than european standard schucko, they allows more absorbiton..
Anyway....
Now, since UK plugs do have an internal built-in fuse in the plugs,  if fuse is old or very delicate may easily blown with a 5000 absorbition, you'd have to change  it to a 18- 20 A one at least to ensure it will last the wattage (4800 watt) it will never blown for the 200-300 watts more...  but likely a delicate 13 A would blown..
Uk plug fins are well more large and could support the absorbiton way more easily... this differently than europe where some bad shucko can actually over-heat and melt.... but in case of UK is more a matter of plug built-in fuse and house wirings than plug itself..
Of course is advisable to hard wire... you'll have to verify it yourself if it's the case or not...


Post# 702298 , Reply# 24   9/9/2013 at 15:01 (3,880 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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The plugs are not the biggest problem, but the typical British ring system house wiring is very different than how we do it in the rest of Europe. It's better to leave this to a British electrician than follow advice from anyone from abroad.

Post# 702304 , Reply# 25   9/9/2013 at 15:10 (3,880 days old) by Hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Tumble dryers

Yes they are very useful in the damp winter months, definitely get a full size and definitely get one with reverse action.

 

It will probably cost you around 30-40p per load in electricity, so best to use them sparingly, but as you say for sheets and towels they certainly come in handy!

 

A good sensor dryer used properly can be very handy, but a timed model will suit most people just fine.

 

I'm sure U.S. style dryers are lovely, but you'd be incredibly fortunate to have a house large enough to fit one in in the first place (most people I know struggle to squeeze a standard size dryer in) and they will not run on a standard UK domestic circuit (which is limited to 13A, 3.1kw) so you would need special wiring for it, such as an electric cooker outlet.

 

I have never used a gas dryer but like the sound of them, as natural gas is 1/3 the price of electricity, however most people are reluctant to install a permanent vent for their dryer over here, let alone have a gas line specially run to it.

 

Personally, as much as it pains me to say it, if you are looking for brand new I would probably recommend a basic Hotpoint or Indesit full size vented model.

 

Matt


Post# 702306 , Reply# 26   9/9/2013 at 15:13 (3,880 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Thanks Matt. Not too expensive to use really.

Post# 702309 , Reply# 27   9/9/2013 at 15:41 (3,880 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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If you want a cheap no frills vented dryer I can recommend Indesit. I've had my IDV65 for over a year now. It's fast (most loads done in an hour tops), quiet with reasonable build quality. I like the fact it has a real glass door.

Post# 702323 , Reply# 28   9/9/2013 at 16:43 (3,880 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
The plugs are not the biggest problem, but the typical Briti

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Yes...... of course...that's why I said  it as well  if you read carefully, is not a matter of plugs mosltly, but  rather of their fuses and of course house wiring...
This statement is clear:
"but in case of UK is more a matter of plug built-in fuse and house wiring than plug itself.".....


You better ask to an electrician,  especially if you're not particularly inclined about electric .....this is worldwide, not UK only..same thing would be for "our wiring" as you call it..if your circuit can't stand such absorbition you simply can't connect a 5000 watt dryer and ask for  it to work properly (and some circuits you find over here absolutely could not support it as they have too thinny wires)...not to mention if in your crcuit you've already connected a dishwasher or oven without having the slighest idea of it,  this would result in catastrophe if  the circuit safe fuse if present would not work as it should... BTW, over here generally there're not separate  fuses for each circuits like elsewhere...so it's really dangerous...
Mine was not to be meant as an advice,  just to clear things up...never gave one, just said facts..
If you would hook up a  5000 watts dryer to your regular outlet in UK you'd likely get your UK  plug  fuse blown firts and in the likely case your wiring isn't already much appropriated so underrated for the circuit that is ( example: wiring rated 2000-2200 watts used for 3000 watt circuits, thing  that over here I've heard was usual in homes built "looking at saving", like in our attic in the condo in front of the street, thing that  our electrician said  in 60s and 70s they all did in Italy)  you could get serious damages on your electric plant, and a fire hazard.... at best you'd need to change your circuit fuse if you have one, or re-do the circuit inside the walls....at worse you'd get a fire...
So better point it out ... you need to be careful on what you do, you need to know what you do...as for everything...


Post# 702326 , Reply# 29   9/9/2013 at 17:15 (3,880 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

That Speed Queen dryer draws 21 Amps, so more than the normal 13 Amps in the UK. So the seller is right about the dryer needs to be hard wired.

And you know this is correct because?????????

The plugs are not the biggest problem, but the typical British ring system house wiring is very different than how we do it in the rest of Europe. It's better to leave this to a British electrician than follow advice from anyone from abroad.

Since when did the Netherlands become part of the UK?

It is assumed that the OP's home has a heavy duty outlet for dryers. Or do they not?


Post# 702328 , Reply# 30   9/9/2013 at 17:32 (3,880 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

Since the OP noted he was going to put the dryer on a porch I'd assume he doesn't have dedicated outlet there. Presumably the porch roof is long enough to keep the dryer out of the rain and allow safe operation. If there is no outlet there now it probably isn't much more expensive to install a high-amperage outlet than a normal one, though an electrician might not want to put that sort of outlet in an exterior location even if it is roofed.


Post# 702334 , Reply# 31   9/9/2013 at 18:07 (3,880 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Dedicated outlet for dryers??

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In a word no we don't. The 13A socket is universal and designed for anything from a table lamp to a Euro type washing machine/dryer. Anything above 3.2kw requires a fixed dedicated radial type circuit. These are normally 25A for dryers and 32A/40A for cookers/showers. These are normally hardwired although the Blue round Euro plugs/sockets can be used...
Seamus


Post# 702337 , Reply# 32   9/9/2013 at 18:14 (3,880 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Running costs...

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Remember UK guys the simplest way to minimise running costs is to make sure you dry on cheap rate power if you have it- I pay just short of 15p/KWH but this drops to less than 6.5p/KWH off peak(12.30-7.30AM or 1.30=8.30AM during BST). My Miele heat pump uses around 2kwh for a full load so its a worthwile saving!
Seamus


Post# 702338 , Reply# 33   9/9/2013 at 18:25 (3,880 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Unless some UK code requires dryers to be hard wired.

is what I said in my original posting.


The plugs are not the biggest problem, but the typical British ring system house wiring is very different than how we do it in the rest of Europe. It's better to leave this to a British electrician than follow advice from anyone from abroad.

Always follow your local codes and you should be safe.



Post# 702342 , Reply# 34   9/9/2013 at 18:34 (3,880 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Allen, sorry, I'm not sure I can get the sense of the your statement about Netherlands.....

Anyway, for the "question" about heavy duty outlets in UK..... I think he started from the premise that one was not available.
In the USA  you can find a heavy duty outlets in kitchen (stoves) and in laundry spaces,  or areas that once were used as..
From what I know "heavy duty" outlets in the UK are usually found in kitchens only just for the stove or large appliances, most of the times stoves are hard wired with a special switch just for them next to ktchen service outlet/s serviced with special  high wattage wirings....  but I think that you could easily make  a heavy duty outlet wiring without many troubles and expenses...industrial plug or heavy duty for cookers that is can be also used..you could even buy a US heavy duty one and install it.

 

www.pennylaneelectrical.co.uk/cli...

The seller also started from the premise that a heavy duty outler was not available (not common in UK) so he just mentioned hard wiring as they do for stoves....



Post# 702346 , Reply# 35   9/9/2013 at 19:05 (3,880 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

Ultimately the question about outlets is not particularly consequential as hardwiring an appliance to a box isn't difficult or expensive. What is important is whether or not adequate power can be brought to the porch easily. I'm not familiar with UK ring circuits, but at some point the power has to come from the panel and so the main problem is running new wiring from the panel to the porch. If a normal 13A outlet exists on the porch then it would make sense for the OP to look for a lower wattage dryer given that he doesn't intend to use it frequently, unless that circuit is already heavily loaded.

 

Vented tumble dryers are pretty simple devices. If it were me and I intended only occasional use I'd look for a local used appliance store and see what they could supply with a warranty.


Post# 702353 , Reply# 36   9/9/2013 at 19:41 (3,880 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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*LOL*

As one who owns several European appliances with heaters (Pfaff ironer, AEG W&D set, etc....) am here to remind Americans that appliances that would normally require special outlets here in the States, do not on the other side of the pond.

We are one of the few major Western nation that has an "old" domestic power system largely of 120v for appliances. The odd exceptions being for appliances such as electric ovens, ranges, dryers, and so forth. The rest of the world runs on 208V-240V power which means a single outlet will provide more with no special wiring.

My Pfaff ironer pulls 3.2kW when the steam function is engaged and can simply be plugged into any outlet in the EU. The directions for Miele 890 ironer which was sold in both EU and USA gives directions for hardwiring or attaching a plug. Indeed one sees that often in installation/owner's manuals for European appliances; that the thing comes with a cord but no plug leaving new owner free to choose which method they wish to use.

Most EU laundry appliances one has seen require between 13amps to 20amps at 208v-240v power.

To many Americans most European tumble dryers are "under powered" with total electrical draw of usually at or just under 3kW, with usually heaters of 2600w or so of power. But for Europeans this is grand because it means the thing can go anywhere a normal outlet is to be had.


Post# 702354 , Reply# 37   9/9/2013 at 19:42 (3,880 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I'm not used with ring wiring system either... my understanding is that if you let pass two large L and N wires  separately connected to the the main source/wires where ring system  is connected to (30 amp??)  through the holes already existent for the ring system  you could create a heavy duty outlet near another normal already existent and just connect the ground to  the wire servicing  all the others "ring system" regular outlets...
You could do this also on the other side of the wall in the outside (patio, porch), but you'd need a little carpentry job...or at least a little drill  hole to let pass the wires and then make a heavy duty outlet screwed to the external wall...

All this if  the ring system tunnel/hole in walls is big enough to have those two large L &N big wires inside also...

I think  would be very useful to have a heavy duty outlet outside anyways...if someday you want to make a wash in outside at least you can have two machines heating at same time, not deciding turns for the one that has to heat the water first! LOL Jokes a part.... in the summer you could hook up lots of things and run a big party there...without having the risk the power fail for that outlet...would be nice..no??
Maybe I make the technical thing of making a new heavy duty outlet too simple.....but I'm not an electrician, not british and used with ring systems so can't really tell... I just guess..and wonder...


Post# 702356 , Reply# 38   9/9/2013 at 20:13 (3,880 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Voltage differences...
I remember these things from a documentary I watched time ago, not sure if I remember it correctly but that's what I remember:


In the USA it was a choice to deliver lower voltage for household use and  illumination (initially) and it was  made to solve the problem of people  dying elettroshocked due to bad wires  insulations of the early times of electricity  both external and internal ones....so it was a safety choiche, lower voltage meant less hazardousness
While in Europe for some reasons they  didn't care much of elettroshocked  people and they went ahead with higher voltage...
Then I also remember a few things about a stance taken by Tesla if I remember right and Edison about what voltage was the better...so for personal pride they just kept their own ideas and so different voltage in the two continents even if i a standardization would have brought considerable advantages....  substantially Edison said FY to Tesla and Tesla the same to Edison...
So things went ahead and they  never decided to standardize the things for the two countries....then later of course it was too late to fix things up...
I'm sure both the voltages have their own postives and negatives aspects respectively....so personally I can't really tell what I prefer of the two....


Post# 702460 , Reply# 39   9/10/2013 at 11:45 (3,879 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Thanks Paul C for the recommendation of the Indesit dryer. Where did you buy yours from? I have seen that one on Appliances Online and Tesco Direct however TD is out of stock. I have noticed a lot of dryers are now 7kg but that's way too big! 6KG is ample for 4 of us.

Post# 702462 , Reply# 40   9/10/2013 at 11:54 (3,879 days old) by Hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Drum size

They all have the same size drum they always did, from 6kg up to 9kg the drum is the same, it will just take a longer to dry 9kg than 6 kg and leave clothes much more creased.

In reality most dryers will only hold around 5kg max.

Matt


Post# 702463 , Reply# 41   9/10/2013 at 12:00 (3,879 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Matt's right, my dryer certainly doesn't take a full 6kg load out of my Miele washer. I got my dryer from Sainsbury's direct as I got a shed load of nectar points with it.

Post# 702484 , Reply# 42   9/10/2013 at 14:46 (3,879 days old) by fido ()        

I would not touch a new Hotpoint, Creda or Indesit dryer with a 10 foot barge pole unless they have changed considerably in the last 2 years! They are just flimsy junk compared to their older models. They did help to keep me in work as they are so unreliable.

Post# 702491 , Reply# 43   9/10/2013 at 15:15 (3,879 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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A friend of mine had an AEG vented dryer. He was quite happy about it. Basically it's the same as the Zanussi vented dryers, but only with more options. So if you want a good basic vented dryer I think Zanussi is a option to consider.

Post# 702524 , Reply# 44   9/10/2013 at 18:00 (3,879 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Honestly for the use for bed sheets and towels you're going to use it for, i think pretty much any dryer would work fine...but if you happen to find a very good deal  you should take advantage of it immedately!
Used is your best deal...not to mention would be a pity to have a new machine let in an outside  space to rust because of wet winter weather...if you buy a used one for a trifle you can even don't care much if it is going to die faster...BTW this is another aspect to consider...try too look for electromechanical timers/programmers ( better, stronger, long-life and more resistant to weather conditions)  and simple switches and controls  rather than newer junky  electronic ones that are more sensible, so to to fog  and humidity also...not to mention LCD stuff etc...simple and strong machines are better in your case...no too fancy electronic stuff that may suffer outside conditions...
 If I were in your situation I'd probably be more confused than before with all these different suggestions... but that's normal, everyone is different and have different tastes....
But for the use you have to make of it about every one would be good, as long as they're not chinese garbage like my last electric dryer named Bomann that I still have in the garage, and that I'm too honest to trim to someone...
It is simply unusable..... lint filter does not work, it is filmsey, it makes a terrible noise and had well 8 repairs (under warranty) in the 3 months I had it...
 I'd personally go for VTG 60s, 70s and 80s... but if you want a new one I say:
Stay away from Bomann and  newer  "crashed square door" Whirlpool models (the tangler dryers)....  the 6th sense style door for istance..
White knight is reliable...the cons about white knight that I could experience was a high level of noise (  inferior panel and control panel and door vibrations against cabinet) and fact that lint tended to get stuck in the door ring thus littering all around during emptying (not a big issue for outside though)..., then it had a too  small door access...
You may want one with a large door as to facilitate loading and avoid items dropped or rubbed on the outside dirty floor during loading and emptying opeation especially in the dark or in : "it's too damn cold out here, better hurry up and gets things done faster thus not caring much of what you're doing,  while you're shaking  like  Miley Cyrus  in the last MTV awards" situations ..I guess that would be better anyway...



Speaking objectively, euro dryers are better to have the reverse tumble as they have  way smaller  drum room compared to the size they're supposed to handle, this  compared to american dryers and rated size  that they're supposed to handle,  euro ones   do and would tangle and crease stuff alot more compared to american ones, reverse action is true prevent more tangling and creasing but does not solve or avoid it, it became a must for euro ones given the reasons before, true fact is that most american dryers do not have reverse tumble, but there is not that much of a need for them  like  it is indeed for euro models... on the other hand they have drums more than 2 times bigger  than euro ones  and tangling is possible but not so likely to happen..
I've seen  and owned euro reverse action dryers tangling items so badly that made and kept  balls of sheets bouncing  till the end cycle having them still wet internally and creased alot.... my whirlpool was a master doing that all the times and when I say all the times I mean all the times! I always had to be at home while drying them, so  interrupt the cycle, take sheets out unwrap them and resume... the typical BUM BUM BUM BUM  was the signal that it was time to do that...the   Bomann, Siltal and the  Zoppas (Zanussi)  we owned in the past   6-7  on 10  times would  have done that while drying large items too.... and you imperatively  had  to divide bed sheets and rest of laundry in two portions to do not have stuff  like if came out from  the  butt-hole of a chicken...
Since I own the  Speed Queen (no-reverse) tangling is happened just once.....and I never experienced it happening so often with other american dryers, like it was for euro ones I have used in my life...
US models have larger rooms, way more space to move the laundry, so tangling is not that common and creasing is almost unexistent...

But again for the use you're gonna do a euro-model would be more than needed...
Keep in mind, this is a personal advice:
If you're like most people that start with   your idea: "oh yes I'm going to use it just for towels and heavy hard to indoor dry stuff" be aware that the conveniency of a dryer is addictive..LOL   Jokes apart is of course a great convenience...who didn't have one can't really speak and cannot know!
I know many like you that  said that and then finished to use almost exclusively the dryer...you know: " I'm in a hurry, still have to clean house, stll have to go shopping, etc------ I'm gonna put this load in the dryer  this time, no time to hang it"...finishing then to do that almost always .. absolutely nothing wrong with it....it's more than normal...why waisting time and efforts having to deal  with the drudgery of hanging laundry if you can conveniently load and start a dryer in a few seconds, also having your load dried quicker?
Of course there is people who would still use it as prefixed.....
Anyway....speaking too much...
My suggestion is to go for the used market...as Launderess said you can find really good deals that will give you a really long life ahead of them, and  for way less than the half of their market value as if new...

So I'd go for the used..... whatever you decide at the end wish you good luck..




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Post# 702526 , Reply# 45   9/10/2013 at 18:18 (3,879 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Montpellier

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Liberatordeluxe

If your after a low cost but a reliable dryer try googling Montpellier dryers, 2 models are available either vented or condenser. We have sold them for a long time but are only available through independent retailers. Sensor dry & a 6kg load capacity but drum can hold more + a far better build quality than Indesit Company Dryers.


Post# 702604 , Reply# 46   9/11/2013 at 02:55 (3,879 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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I cannot see from your profile where you are based, but the drier on the link might be good if you can get to it:

Reasonably vintage, light (if any) useage, and modest cost

Al


CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK on eBay


Post# 702620 , Reply# 47   9/11/2013 at 06:22 (3,878 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)        

Thank you all for your contributions in helping me decide what to go for particularly KenmoreGuy.

Regarding the compact dryers I had a look in Currys today and the White Knight seemed to be well built compared to the others despite only being small. The door was a bit flimsy but if it had reverse action that would be enough to hold towels and bed sheets despite being 3kg? The drum is actually not a bad size really. I have seen lots of used ones on Ebay albeit not local.



Post# 702640 , Reply# 48   9/11/2013 at 09:01 (3,878 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I'm glad I was helpful....
Compact dryers are a good choiche for people that actually do not really  have space in homes so that is the only thing they can fit...

That said.. if you have  the possibility to fir a regular euro size that would be better...I think...I used to always dry bed sheets alone  in full size euro dryers...as the results otherwise would have been improposable (for my canons) because of tangling and creasing...
I never owned a  3kg white knight dryer nor seen one in person  but I assume that would be able handle a king size bed set without having  improposable results...   but even if not improposable I think the  results would not be that good....
 More than tangling (that is anyway likely to happen because of small room) I'd be concerned about  the typical euro dryers creasing and limited space to air the load properly, what I call:  a  typical euro dryer "tight" load, so this  if the dryer you're using have a further smaller drum like a 3kg one,  a  King size bed sheets load plus  pillow covers  would not come out nice ...and so taking longer to dry and giving creases, not not much for towels (that are harder to get creased) but for bed sheets and else...
Here is a video of how a load of sheets + pajama would do in a compact white knight...personally looks like  a big  twisted and  wrapped ball  tumbling, not drying as it should and hus getting lots of wrinkles, would be nice to know the exaxt load composition (king size? Single? Heavy pajama? Thin Pajama?), but this gives an idea:


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Post# 702642 , Reply# 49   9/11/2013 at 09:23 (3,878 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

Stateside, they are standard issue, and most new or even 50-year-old construction has provision for a dryer hook up. In California, electricity is 15 cents/KwHr, on the high end of prices for the USA, and it has always been more economical to use a natural gas dryer. While the machine may cost $40-60 more than its electric version, the cost gap is quickly recouped.

Most condenser type dryers are European in make and size (24inch/60 cm instead of 27 inch/70 cm), for use where there is no venting: converted closets, under kitchen counters. That said, most mid-century or later houses and condominiums have a laundry area with hook ups and venting.

My current dryer is a Frigidaire/Electrolux gas model, which stacks on top of its matching washer. Although I have space to place them side by side, I choose to stack so that I can use the freed space for something else (a table for folding and storing clothes). The two most important features of my dryer to me are:

1. Moisture sensor. My former dryer was mid-range but did NOT have this feature, and sometimes shut off before clothes were fully dry, or it would cook the clothes long past the point where they were dry

2. Permanent press cycle: starts out warm, releases wrinkles, then cools down to lock in "straightness". By cycle end, clothes are room temperature.

Most of my work clothing is office casual: khaki trousers and collared shirts (no ties), all 100% cotton with no-wrinkle finish, and nearly all of them from LL Bean (www.llbean.com...). If hung up promptly, they look as if someone slaved over an ironing board, but the system only works with a moisture sensor and a true perm press cycle. Next to my machines I have a "laundry center", a set of steel shelving with a rod to hang the clothes, plus three sorting bags. Similar to the device in the photo, except mine has a shelf above the hanging bar allowing storage of lightweight items. So I am well equipped to hang clothes after drying. I need a device on wheels, because the tank water heater is tucked in the corner next to the washer/dryer stack, and if service is required, I have to be able to move the laundry organiser without a lot of fuss.

PS: if you buy a dryer with moisture sensor, and if you use dryer sheets, the waxy substance in them can coat the sensor and render it less effective. I tear the sheets into thirds, using only enough to prevent static cling, and clean the sensor with alcohol on a quarterly basis.


Post# 702706 , Reply# 50   9/11/2013 at 14:35 (3,878 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
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unless space is an issue do not get a compact dryer. You will certainly NOT get a kingsize bedding set in it without long drying times and excessive creasing. The novelty of separating loads to dry them will soon wear off.

Post# 702713 , Reply# 51   9/11/2013 at 15:06 (3,878 days old) by Hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Compact dryers

If it is a choice between a compact or a washer/dryer or no dryer at all, then a compact is best, but they are NOT practical if you can fit a full size model in.

 

Sheets will have to be washed individually and they are more expensive to run as you have to run more loads to get the same amount of washing dry.

 

If I had to have a compact I would certainly have an Indesit/Hotpoint (Creda) over a white knight!

 

Matt


Post# 702757 , Reply# 52   9/11/2013 at 20:21 (3,878 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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Compact it can do two sheets or one sheet and two pillow slips. These were given for full through king sized and find are pretty accurate.

One rarely dries bed linens n dryer anyway as they are put through the ironer or Kaltmangel, if not hand ironed. On the rare occasion it is required normally do so only long enough to get the creases out and the things are "damp dry", they are then hung up to finish drying/airing.

Sheets will most always ball up to some extentIMHO. They do it in my WP compact, and they have done so in the Lavatherm despite it having drum reverse. The only place it does not happen is with the large dryers at Laundromat. However things do often end up in a tangle. To solve this usually stop things about halfway, pull everything out, fluff/untangle and put back into the dryer.

I believe energy savings wise you get the most value for money when dryers are operated at or near full capacity for cottons. Find also fuller loads tend to tumble better as small ones slide about from vane to vane without the free falling through air that makes for better tumble drying.



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