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Over the Top, Literally ! Water Fun With Whirlpool's Top Load DW
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Post# 705683   9/27/2013 at 12:44 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Started innocently enough. Ken told me the box on the left on the back wall of the tub was for water inlet and venting. Doubting Thomas had to know for sure; and although the filling sounds convincing, it comes in at a trickle.




Post# 705687 , Reply# 1   9/27/2013 at 12:48 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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In my limited DW experience, the door latch is always a bee-atch, and difficult to trick, but the WP TL's is a breeze, almost like the little tab on the dryer. Held it it with the non-prickly end of a fork. OH NO. Not good. The temptation to play is too great. What will I do now?

Post# 705690 , Reply# 2   9/27/2013 at 12:52 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
I'll have to take this thread outside

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Before I shoot through the ceiling. It's like the Fall TV Season Premiers here with all the new shows at Automatic Washer.

Post# 705694 , Reply# 3   9/27/2013 at 13:10 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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I took the agitator out.....

Post# 705695 , Reply# 4   9/27/2013 at 13:15 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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First, just to see what would happen--always on the study; and second, because I had some bulky items. It will be interesting and again a great tease for me to see how much I can stuff into this canyon of a dish washer. This was not really a challenge for it.

Post# 705696 , Reply# 5   9/27/2013 at 13:21 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
You saw the big hole

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in the center of the lower arm that powers the upper arm. I think the collander broke up the wide gush into jets because the upper rack stuff came out clean. Lots to learn, and I WILL run it open for you on the deck pretty soon. I wonder how high it will shoot and how far an area it will cover. I remember when Pete rigged a Hydro-sweep KA Iron Arm in his pond.

Post# 705742 , Reply# 6   9/27/2013 at 16:48 (3,860 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Just love them top-loaders!

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Oh great. Now I have to have one of these. I love how it looks like a diminutive washing machine. Style!

 

Nothing sold these days has much in the way of distinctive styling.

 

BTW, is the tank lined with speckled porcelain enamel or is that some sort of Plastisol?


Post# 705761 , Reply# 7   9/27/2013 at 18:13 (3,860 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Indeed,

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It looks, acts, and sounds like a washer, especially the rare pump, the pauses, and the dial; and it does everything a washer does except spin, SO FAR. So stay tuned.

Hard core, though well-worn, POR C. LAIN


Post# 705763 , Reply# 8   9/27/2013 at 18:23 (3,860 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Love those daring lid open action shots Mike!!!!

Post# 705790 , Reply# 9   9/27/2013 at 20:48 (3,860 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
top loaders

The size and depth of the tank on the KD2P is amazing in relation to her sister front opening models up through the 14 series. Much like the above load, the KD2P can be loaded almost like a clothes washer, especially with the 3 section upper rack which can be removed section by section to accomodate things like cookie sheets and oven racks standing on end. Things could just be heaped up in the lower rack. I could actually load a lot more in the KD2P than I could in the last of the KA top loading portables that we used in mom's apartment while she was in retirement housing up here. Top loading portable dishwashers are indeed awesome. I know you will love yours. KA had ads for the KD2P that said it would shoot water 10 feet into the air, IF you could make it work with the lid open, which Hobart said you could not do. But you can.

Post# 705900 , Reply# 10   9/28/2013 at 10:17 (3,860 days old) by dishwasherfan (Phoenix, AZ)        
Cool Shots

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Have fun with that cool machine. I love the action photos, Maybe a video next time...I am vicariously living through your experiences. Thanks...

Post# 705926 , Reply# 11   9/28/2013 at 13:05 (3,859 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow! Those geysers look like one of those water attractions you'd see on a downtown plaza. While my LG dishwasher cleans like a champ, I'm afraid it couldn't hold a candle to your Whirpool powerhouse in the geyser department.

Thanks for sharing the fun with us, mickeyd!


Post# 705953 , Reply# 12   9/28/2013 at 16:39 (3,859 days old) by vaclover (South Africa, Virginia)        
I always wonder...

The top loading dishwashers do they only have one spray arm at the bottom?if they do how on earth are they gona clean the upper racks glasses and cups etc?and the older types with that impellor thing that looks like a boat propellor is it only splashing the water up?no pump spraying the water?

Post# 705965 , Reply# 13   9/28/2013 at 17:32 (3,859 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Good question

Vaclover, older dishwashers, and we are talking from the 1930s through the late 50s usually had only one water spray from the bottom or, in the case of Youngstown, a spray tube which was between the racks, running from the bottom to the top at first then, with the Frigidaire, from the back to the front. The first machine I saw with bi-level water sprays was a Waste King top loading portable from about 1961, with a half width wash arm under each rack at the top and bottom of a column. It was not a Z shape because the column maintained a 90 degree angle to each arm, but that is the easiest way to describe it.

The impeller machines did more than splash water; in the best designs, they drove water. If you consider your comparrison to a boat propeller, those are pretty powerful for moving boats through the water. The metal impellers, especially the GE "bow tie" impeller which came at the end of the impeller era was quite effective and certainly better, for many reasons than some of the GE wash arm models that followed it.


Post# 705974 , Reply# 14   9/28/2013 at 17:56 (3,859 days old) by vaclover (South Africa, Virginia)        
thanks ...

For your kind explanation!I think that tube between the racks could have worked more efficiently than that bowtie impellor thing?because the water has to go all the way through the plates in the lower racks to get to the upper rack.or am I just pessimistic about it?its very interesting how people build things to make life easier for them.and the older the appliance the more interest I have in it!!thanks again!Ruan

Post# 706088 , Reply# 15   9/29/2013 at 10:02 (3,859 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Love the shot of the water jetting upwards! That's some serious water flow, there, Michael - be careful with the fine crystal! LOL

Post# 706106 , Reply# 16   9/29/2013 at 12:31 (3,858 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hit the black "Down to Last" bar and I started

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Laughing right away.

Paul, I don't HAVE any fine chrystal, LOL.

Nice way to start the day.

Thank you, Gentlemen: I'll be back later.


Post# 706115 , Reply# 17   9/29/2013 at 14:05 (3,858 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        

Mike, so glad you are enjoying the machines! It's always fun to experiment and see "what if"!

I was a little worried at fist when I didn't see the middle spray arm & tower, but then I read further and it made sense (whew!). :) Just be sure to keep a lot of thirsty rags handy!

It does not surprise me that your test load with only one spray arm cleaned so well. Whirlpool has always made a very powerful dishwasher (until recently of course!) that truly scrubbed like a KitchenAid. In fact their first spray arm design (in the late 50's) had similar jet openings to the spray arm in this machine coupled with a very powerful pump, and it was only a one arm machine. I had one of these at one time and it cleaned very well.

Keep he pics coming! .


Post# 706175 , Reply# 18   9/29/2013 at 19:55 (3,858 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hello. Sweet. Big. Saint. Al. Of. Utah. Have no fear.

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Did you see these pix in the link? I have so many notes on the performance and the Imperialism of this maagnificent machine, but my favorite Chemistry teacher, who broke so, so, so horribly bad, meets his fate in 10 minutes. Must get Bourbon & Soda, dark chocolate, and cheddar cheese & crackers all lined up. mmmm.mmmm.mmmm.

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Post# 706178 , Reply# 19   9/29/2013 at 19:58 (3,858 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
The Chemistry teacher

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I so hope he survives yet again.


Post# 706350 , Reply# 20   9/30/2013 at 13:41 (3,857 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
At least Jesse made it out of hell.

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Back to Work ~

Vaclover ~ There is an ancient iron 2 arm lawn sprinkler that works like the bow tie impeller, fast and furious. We'll have to check for extant archival footage to see if we have the bow tie in motion. Mine had both arms; check thru the pix. Thanks for the back up, Tom.

Bob ~ You can enjoy the vicarious quintessential serendipity as soon as I learn how to upload vids from iphone to Youtube. Probably easy, just haven't mastered it yet.

Eugene and Tom ~ I hope to be measuring the jets this week. Re: KA's negation: they've never met the men and women of Automatic Washer.

Al ~ The octopus eyes in the main arm looked so familiar, and I didn't know why. Depending which outlet I use, the lights have blinked when the pump cycles on. Scary power. You said this pump was only around for a year or so.

Robert, Eugene, and Bob ~ Thanks. With me, it's all about sharing the excitement. Wanting to give what I have.

Al & Robert ~ I read the ephemera, and there is no mention of heating during wash or rinse. My 88 WP doesn't mention heating either, but John said it does, and I had a suspicion that somehow it was heating. I wonder if the Supreme 80 is heating at all during the wash or final rinse. Intend to test it with a thermometer. Have you guys who know this machine sensed any heating of the water?

For All ~ If you load the DW haphazardly and all helter-skelter the way I do, but don't stack the cupboards that way--(smiles), Who Does ??-- the upper rack provides a very handy organizer/holding tray for unloading. Also, unloading the upper rack happens at a comfortable chest-high level which is very convenient.




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Post# 706440 , Reply# 21   9/30/2013 at 20:09 (3,857 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
From the notes ~

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Advantages ~

The TL moves around the floors with great ease, while the old FL and the new FL, both Whirlpools, are not as fleet of feet, and I don't know why. Were the earlier wheels better made?

The lid pops open and glides upward, almost pneumatically, allowing for noticeable ease of loading, exceptional in my limited experience. The most user-friendly and self-rewarding of dushwashers such that there are no dishes, etc, laying around the sink or anywhere else. You WANT to load the items immediately. A welcome breakthrough in my "housekeepink!" (said really fast and funny in a female accented voice)

The purges, which I've seen referenced here many times but are new to me, fascinate. At the end of each short drain period, the water comes in while the pump stays on, flushing out the first couple cups of the inflow. They last only a few seconds.

The discharge port is more focused and efficient than its younger cousin; no squirting and splashing up the small sink in the wet bar. So nice.

Disadvantages ~

The cord is short. Haven't ascertained if it is a stuck reel-up--sometimes the cord gives a little tug and yank when I pull the plug--or just one of those things, a styling anomaly.

You can't pile up crap all over the top of the dishwasher because it will fall all over the floor when you pop the hood. "This is uhhhh....... ummmm.... AY .... HOAX" ~ Chris Farley.

Judgment ~

So hooked, I may never front load again.




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Post# 706443 , Reply# 22   9/30/2013 at 20:36 (3,857 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Amazing what a picture can reveal.

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I haven't detailed the Unicoupler yet, nor the hoses.

The point was.....No splashing,


Post# 706444 , Reply# 23   9/30/2013 at 20:44 (3,857 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        
Water heating

The vast majority of Whirlpool dishwashers heated the water during the washing & final rinsing, but not all of them had a thermostatic hold. The SVP 80 does not have a thermal hold, but it does turn the heating element on during the main wash & final rinse phase. The SHF7801 (front loader) does have a thermal hold in the last rinse of the Super Wash & Short cycles. The Super Scour cycle has an additional thermal hold in the 1st wash (pre-wash).

If your water is at least 140 at the tank (& it's not too far away) you'll get great results from the top loader.


Post# 706446 , Reply# 24   9/30/2013 at 20:59 (3,857 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Thank You, Al

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The water just seemed hotter and steamier when I opened the machine the other day. Do you have any idea of how grateful I am for this bliss? My whole kitchen routine has changed. Ironically, the built-in dead Tappan at the other end of the kitchen is very far from the tank, while the wet bar is directly above the it--hottest water in the house.

How did you ever even THINK both machines would fit into the cube. It is 49 inches square--er cubed. You're the first guy I know who managed to You Crate 2 machines in one cube. Word to the wise for future shipping especially for the many, big dishwasher guys on board.

I think about you and send gratitude and every day. I hope something amazing comes your way soon.



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