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Post# 706752 , Reply# 3   10/2/2013 at 11:07 (3,830 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 706753 , Reply# 4   10/2/2013 at 11:10 (3,830 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Tom. I did turn the cold valve off, but the machine still wanted to add cold and just moved back and forth until I turned the COLD back on again. |
Post# 706772 , Reply# 5   10/2/2013 at 13:39 (3,830 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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This is a classic case of the built-in "we know best" auto-temperature system that can't be changed as far as I know. I get the same thing in my Affinity. When we had a Duet at the other house, I tried to turn the cold supply down to a trickle and got an error code as a result.
As far as I know, there's no getting around it. Sometimes what I do is let the water from the tap at the laundry sink get not quite hot before turning the machine on, which often tricks it into not adding cold water toward the end of the fill. YMMV depending on load size. |
Post# 706802 , Reply# 6   10/2/2013 at 15:27 (3,830 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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you can also try removing the plug from, or the whole sensor unit, that monitors the temperature.....
this depends on where and how its connected/located...... on the Cabrio, the sensor itself pops out of a slot...the good side....all HOT fill...the down side, no warm wash.....with it connected, theres only a 10 degree drop from the water heater temp....my water heater is set at 150....I get a 140 in the machine.... on the Frigidaire FL.....all I had to do was unplug the sensor....and there actually is a blank slot to slide it into....it disables the Auto-temp control... odd...used to be, Auto-temp control was adding Hot/Warm to a Cold wash so detergent would disolve and activate.....now were going in he opposite direction..... I don't get these drops in Temps or insisting on a COLD water wash......I could see the savings for a TL machine....but the whole idea of getting a FL was that I could wash in HOT or true WARM, and save money because of the small amount of water needed versus a TL......not to mention the higher spin speeds.....for less drying time....may be its just me!.... all I can say Ray, is try a few things and see what happens when it fills.....another trial and error and see what you find.... |
Post# 706813 , Reply# 7   10/2/2013 at 16:06 (3,830 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 706828 , Reply# 9   10/2/2013 at 16:48 (3,830 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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these new machines have idiotic intelligence installed.....it will give an error code, more along the lines of self diagnostic, and alert if either HOT or COLD is turned off......
in vintage machines, for many people who washed only in COLD water per say, would only hook up to one tap, and cap off the HOT water side......can't be dont with many of today machines.....we have that issue with testing machines in our garages, even with a "Y" connector, for one its looking for water pressure, and two it will open only the HOT valve expecting the temp to change as normal hot water would arrive to the machine.... Like Ralph, I have tried turing the COLD off, or down to a trickle.....damn thing senses that as being a problem, you will get an error code, and/or machine shut down until problem is corrected..... were looking to override this, and have the machine do this automatically......not always the case......the only choice so far is to babysit the machine, and do it the manual way..... What you can do, is let the machine start to fill, hit 'pause', and then fill thru the dispenser with HOT water only to a level you require, and then hit 'start' to continue with the load.....thats about the best we have so far.... some things we can alter......and some things are built in that won't allow us to do so.... one thing I did to the Cabrio yesterday, took the restrictors out of the valves, now the fill is full flow and fast, not this eye dropper trickle which took forever for it to fill....WTH did those restrictors serve except to make a 1 hour wash cycle take even longer... |
Post# 706834 , Reply# 10   10/2/2013 at 17:07 (3,830 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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can be undone...
If someone was a bit resourceful the temperature sensor could be over ridden or at least tricked to read in error. Most likely (I'm guessing here I don't know the machine in question) there is a sensor which is simply a temperature dependent resistor which provides feedback into the computer. Perhaps by adding resistance in series or parallel would allow one to trick the computer into providing different temperature water. It might even be possible to have an external control that allows one to dial in the temp they want. The only fly-in-the-ointment I see is the possibility that the control looks at the sensor for changes in response to valve actuation. If this is the case it might thwart attempts to game the system. |
Post# 706853 , Reply# 12   10/2/2013 at 18:07 (3,830 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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we tried to reverse hose procedure.....but then we got all HOT rinses...
as much as you hate to, raising the water heater higher might help.....adding COLD water to 120 degree water will give you a luke warm wash versus adding COLD to 160 degree water.....you may not get total HOT water, but close to it...like I said, I am only getting a 10 degree drop......your mileage may vary give it a try, it might work.... |
Post# 706862 , Reply# 13   10/2/2013 at 18:48 (3,830 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Maybe you could send it back and get a Speed Queen--the ultimate adjustment. I think Martin's idea of hitting pause and filling manually is the best. |
Post# 706883 , Reply# 14   10/2/2013 at 20:01 (3,830 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 706893 , Reply# 16   10/2/2013 at 21:49 (3,830 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Alex, (logixx). The model of my Samsung is: WF405ATPAWR/AZ |
Post# 706895 , Reply# 17   10/2/2013 at 21:50 (3,830 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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HI Laundress. Yes I have that AEG from 1991 and it was only used for a year on a regular basis and once in awhile for delicates after that. Machine is in mint condition, however, the tub is so small. |
Post# 706896 , Reply# 18   10/2/2013 at 22:01 (3,830 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 706956 , Reply# 19   10/3/2013 at 07:33 (3,830 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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What does your owner's manual say the steam cycle does? Stop wondering and start reading. |
Post# 706960 , Reply# 20   10/3/2013 at 08:16 (3,829 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 707071 , Reply# 21   10/3/2013 at 18:43 (3,829 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 707090 , Reply# 22   10/3/2013 at 20:52 (3,829 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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The extra hot settinv only works when you select the sanitize cycle It give a long 150 degree wash. I just want the hot water from my water heater |
Post# 707520 , Reply# 24   10/6/2013 at 09:43 (3,826 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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Post# 707554 , Reply# 25   10/6/2013 at 13:29 (3,826 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Ryan
I was getting either all HOT or all COLD washes...no WARM...the AUTO temp was not working....they came out and replaced the valve assembly, no auto temp sensor was there, but a blank spot for the plug to go......so that's where that got stuck.... so now I get whatever the water temp from the spigots give me, hot is hot, warm is mixed, and cold is tap cold.....I think like it better this way..... I have to open the top and look, the sensor used to be part of the valve assembly, which has long ports going directly into the dispenser..... I will get you some pics.... but all the tech did was unplug it, if it wasn't for the blank port, it would just be hanging there....this was Frigidaires solution to the problem, not fix it, but do away with it.... |
Post# 707588 , Reply# 26   10/6/2013 at 15:48 (3,826 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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Post# 707715 , Reply# 27   10/7/2013 at 10:37 (3,825 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Martin. I was wondering if this can be done on my Samsung/ Ryan. I have to say I really love this Samsung. With the adjustment I get plenty of water for wash and more for the rinses. I feel the clothes come out much fresher. NOW.....The temp issue..... lol |
Post# 707770 , Reply# 28   10/7/2013 at 16:15 (3,825 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 707813 , Reply# 29   10/7/2013 at 19:00 (3,825 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 707916 , Reply# 31   10/8/2013 at 09:32 (3,824 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)   |   | |
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Ray:
Perhaps different cycles on your machine result in higher wash temps. I know on Whirlpool machines, the Normal cycle, which is used for energy ratings, uses less water and lower temps than the whites or heavy duty cycle. Perhaps there are cycles on your machine that will heat the wash water to a higher temperature. Joe |
Post# 707922 , Reply# 32   10/8/2013 at 10:19 (3,824 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Hi Joe. I think if I select steam on Normal or Stain Away I may get it a little hotter. I have to try. I will try the Heavy Duty and see that happens. Thanks for the advise. Howver, I am just happy that I get so much more water in the machine. I will have to video and post here. Ray |
Post# 707927 , Reply# 34   10/8/2013 at 10:24 (3,824 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Laundress. I have the AEG Bella Super which I bought in 1991. Machine only used for 2 years. It is like new. I will check size and post here. Thanks Ray |
Post# 707949 , Reply# 35   10/8/2013 at 12:01 (3,824 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 707979 , Reply# 36   10/8/2013 at 13:57 (3,824 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()   |   | |
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Would disconnecting the sensor on my bro's 2010 WP DD have any effect (if such a thing is even possible), or would that just make it not work at all? This post was last edited 10/08/2013 at 14:32 |
Post# 707991 , Reply# 37   10/8/2013 at 15:14 (3,824 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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All I can say with these sensors is disconnect, or move them out of the way, and see what your individual machine would do...each one is programmed a little different on how it adjust the temps.....
I would never do this on my Neptunes, because its somewhat oldschool, it raises the cold water temp up...never dubs down the hot or warm wash.... on the Cabrio, with the sensor removed from its slot, gave either an all HOT or all COLD wash, it could not sense the water to give you a WARM wash without that sensor.....but as mentioned, HOT was only reduced 10 degrees from the water heater, WARM on the other hand was COOL at best.....and I swear the COLD selection was popping out ice cubes.......on this machine I select HOT/COLD for every load... and you have to search and play with these machines, it is nerve wrecking, HOT on the HeavyDuty cycle is not the same temp as HOT for PermPress.... I literally praise every vintage machine, and Neptune I have, and hope to keep them as long as possible.....nothing like selecting HOT, and having the steam fog up the room as its filling....and getting an exact WARM wash as selected... I don't get this craze for COLD washing, especially in HE and FL machines, I tried washing in cooler temps of a regular TL machine to save money, but getting a HE machine, that uses plenty of water was the perfect ticket to using less water than a regular TL, detergent, and the high speed spin.....every load now is set to WARM/WARM, because its cheaper to wash and rinse that way now..... what are we talking here, at most 2 to 4 gallons of HOT water for a fill....I have 3 kids, which still feels like I have all 10 again when it comes to laundry, what some of you guys wash in a week, I do in most days, at these temps, my bills are NOT sky rocketing!.... |
Post# 708133 , Reply# 39   10/9/2013 at 09:18 (3,823 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Nothing any of us haven't already known, or said before....
puzzling for most, is their trying to save energy by using COLD water, mainly from heating the water, and yet they dry their clothes in an Electric dryer, that heating element is pulling close to 5600 Watts, so you save in one area to waste in another... granted I prefer Gas fired appliances, water heater, and heating....still use energy, just a lot more efficient and cheaper to use...not everyone has this availability...and again I get puzzled by the one way of thinking, to save energy wash clothes in COLD water, yet dishes HAVE to be washed in HOT, or needing HOT water for a shower.....you will most likely use more HOT water in one shower, than you will washing several loads of laundry!....if you want to be THAT efficient, turn the water heater off or get rid of it!... IMHO, for me, using a Neptune FL, HOT/Warm setting, and drying in a Gas dryer....not only gives me cleaner clothes, yet being as efficient as possible...then again, maybe I am the one with blinders on we just also need to look at other areas of energy savings, and not just in the laundry room...... |
Post# 708137 , Reply# 40   10/9/2013 at 09:48 (3,823 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)   |   | |
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