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Post# 709454   10/15/2013 at 13:31 (3,845 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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My first.




Post# 709455 , Reply# 1   10/15/2013 at 13:32 (3,845 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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It spins.

Post# 709456 , Reply# 2   10/15/2013 at 13:33 (3,845 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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with dispenser

Post# 709457 , Reply# 3   10/15/2013 at 13:34 (3,845 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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panel

Post# 709458 , Reply# 4   10/15/2013 at 13:35 (3,845 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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back. and a date.

Post# 709469 , Reply# 5   10/15/2013 at 14:39 (3,844 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Wow

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Solid Tub SQ has LONG been one of my dream machines. Congrats! We (or me) would also enjoy pics of the inner works, god knows the water level and pump system, etc, are very different configurations than all the perf tubs we are used to seeing.

Congratulations!


Post# 709480 , Reply# 6   10/15/2013 at 15:26 (3,844 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Oh Wow! You've found a gurgler! I love how the motor starts as soon as you start the machine and then there is a LOUD BANG when it starts to agitate. I was living in an apartment house with turquoise Speed Queens in the laundry room when Stevie Wonder's Sir Duke came out and there were parts of the song when the horns stop and it's just the beat of the keyboard, drums and guitar that made me think of the rhythm of the SQ when the water valve closed near the end of the long, loud flotation rinse and suddenly all you heard were the sounds of the motor, some water slopping over the side of the tub, the pump and that transmission clunking back and forth. That was short-lived until the next LOUD BANG to shift it into spin.

I hope you enjoy this and that nothing needs to be done to it, but if so, I hope you have the special angled tools needed to work on it without cutting your knuckles to shreds.


Post# 709486 , Reply# 7   10/15/2013 at 15:38 (3,844 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Thats a unique machine.....my first one ever had that control panel, but still timed fill....this should be a reversing motor version....odd to see the fiber board back panel, that has to be a first...

keep us posted on your progress....


Post# 709488 , Reply# 8   10/15/2013 at 15:40 (3,844 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Nice find! This is a reversing motor SQ, so no banging here. The motor will start once the fill has completed, and it will also pause and reverse the motor for spin, similar to a Maytag.

Enjoy!!

Ben


Post# 709497 , Reply# 9   10/15/2013 at 16:04 (3,844 days old) by washman (o)        
Marvelous

Can you get some vids of it in operation?

Post# 709498 , Reply# 10   10/15/2013 at 16:09 (3,844 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Too new for funny noises. Thanks, Ben.

Post# 709509 , Reply# 11   10/15/2013 at 16:50 (3,844 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Yah I was pretty excited when I found it. I will let you know more tomorrow
: )


Post# 709542 , Reply# 12   10/15/2013 at 19:39 (3,844 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Coolness!

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I have only had exposure to one of these reversing motor models once in my life. A very lucky find, indeed!

Malcolm


Post# 709558 , Reply# 13   10/15/2013 at 21:41 (3,844 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Does this machine lack a tub brake like the solenoid machines? The lids stayed locked well into the rinse fill because the tub was coasting to a stop.

Post# 709565 , Reply# 14   10/15/2013 at 23:33 (3,844 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        

This model has a tub brake. It was introduced when the reversing motor models were first produced.

Congrats on a great find! Is this a large capacity model? I can't tell from the pics.


Post# 709575 , Reply# 15   10/16/2013 at 01:40 (3,844 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
The washer rules of luck have turned in your favor.

Everythingold, Now that is a washing machine. Best of Luck with it! I always appreciated the defunct "Otasco" hardware stores for selling honestly branded things like SQ laundry and Philco color TV's. If your city or town had one of these hardware stores in the past. There could be another one out there somewhere. You have one of the better ones. I see your SQ has the separate water level control alr2903

Post# 709589 , Reply# 16   10/16/2013 at 05:31 (3,844 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Amazing...these machines were so plentiful here that it seems strange someone would feel they are sort of a rareity. I think there may still be a few of these around in Oklahoma people are using.

Post# 709620 , Reply# 17   10/16/2013 at 08:45 (3,844 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I can't get it to agitate, it does not have a timed fill. Bad or clogged pressure switch? Matbe just needs to be reset.

It does not brake when it stops spinning. Here is a short video:

s1187.photobucket.com/user/Master...

Quick pic of the underneath.


Post# 709624 , Reply# 18   10/16/2013 at 09:05 (3,844 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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it doesn't have the sort of brake that you may be thinking of, its more of a pad below the fluid drive I believe, that sort of puts a drag on it to slow it down....I have to recheck on mine.......most of these did not have a lid lock....

also that chamber that collects the water for the pressure switch maybe all mucked up and need cleaned out as well...check waterways going to it as well, is water flowing into it as it should?....

mine was a 1978 model....and had a porcelain solid tub...and mega heavy


Post# 709642 , Reply# 19   10/16/2013 at 11:00 (3,844 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Thanks, I was wondering what that chamber was. I will look at it. I also got the knobs from a speed Queen set that are similar, but not a solid tub. Did SQ make solid tubs and perforated ones at the same time?

Post# 709643 , Reply# 20   10/16/2013 at 11:03 (3,844 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I don't think it leaks either.

Post# 709644 , Reply# 21   10/16/2013 at 11:05 (3,844 days old) by Washman (o)        
That famous Arc-Cuate transmission

looks gorgeous.

Post# 709661 , Reply# 22   10/16/2013 at 13:09 (3,844 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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your model and the one I had was running near the end of the 70's....right about when Raytheon took over and went to perforated tubs, they kept part of the control panel design for a while....

heres an early 80's design....the lid opens towards the back....but the control panel tilt and end caps are the same as yours....


Post# 709672 , Reply# 23   10/16/2013 at 14:12 (3,843 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Spin Bearings

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Sounds as if they are in perfect working order! Yeah!

Malcolm


Post# 709728 , Reply# 24   10/16/2013 at 19:19 (3,843 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Cool Solid Tub SQ

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Congratulations Matt on your great find. It looks like one of the later SQ solid tub machines. If it has a lid lock it does not have much of a brake, just a little friction pad under the fluid drive clutch that Martin mentioned. If it is one of the later larger capacity machines without a lid lock it has a REAL BRAKE assembly mounted above the main spin drive pulley. SQ did not make these very long and diffidently had some serious problems with this design.

 

All that said, you and I are lucky enough to both know the same friend in Cleveland that probably knows this machine better than anyone I have ever met, give Bob a call.


Post# 709762 , Reply# 25   10/16/2013 at 22:48 (3,843 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        
Does your lid lock?

Hi, if my memory serves me correctly if your lid does not have a lock than it should definitely have a tub brake. You mentioned that it did not agitate. Did the motor try to turn? At the beginning of your video there is a hum which sounded a bit like a stuck motor?

If that is the case than the clutch may be stuck in the spin position, overcoming the brake spring and allowing the motor to turn in spin, but lock up when trying to agitate. Just a thought.

Great machine! They are built like tanks. I really wish I could find one here in the mountain states area. Hope you enjoy it. If you post the model # I'll be glad to check if I have the service literature and scan it to,you.


Post# 709807 , Reply# 26   10/17/2013 at 09:10 (3,843 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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No lid lock, just a switch.

Post# 710203 , Reply# 27   10/19/2013 at 11:57 (3,841 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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It is a reversing motor. It agitates when the belt is manually turned, so I am assuming that the pressure switch or something else is preventing it from going into agitation.

Post# 710212 , Reply# 28   10/19/2013 at 13:07 (3,841 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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have you tried by-passing the pressure switch.....or using a hose and blowing into it to trigger agitation?

are there sections of the timer where the pressure switch is not used that would agitate no matter what....like during the one-minute increment during overflo rinse....

worth a shot....


Post# 710232 , Reply# 29   10/19/2013 at 15:00 (3,840 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I have not done that yet, I am busy busy busy. But I will shortly!

Post# 710257 , Reply# 30   10/19/2013 at 16:41 (3,840 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        
It agitates!

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I bypassed the pressure switch and it goes.

Here is a link to a video: s1187.photobucket.com/user/Master...


Post# 710262 , Reply# 31   10/19/2013 at 17:14 (3,840 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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well....were pin pointing it down to what needs worked on or replaced...

I presume theres no water, or not holding water in that tank to measure the load setting?


Post# 710551 , Reply# 32   10/21/2013 at 07:53 (3,839 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Part of the problem is I do not have water at my new space yet. So it is a pain to test machines. But I will soon, it the mean time, it agitates and spins, my guess is that gunk is preventing the pressure switch from being satisfied?

Post# 710563 , Reply# 33   10/21/2013 at 08:41 (3,839 days old) by washman (o)        
Looks like on the water pump shaft

there is a grease fitting.
When I get depressed, I look at your pics and marvel at the solid metal construction and the famous Arc-Q-cuate transmission proven in millions of installations.


Post# 710830 , Reply# 34   10/22/2013 at 12:42 (3,838 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Hey Matt, CONGRATS on your find!   I have the same machine but in Avocado.    There is no "pressure switch" for water level perse, it's more of a float arrangement in that plastic tank on the back of the outer tub.  

 

(The adjustment for water level on my washer is off.   If I set it for a "full load" it fills the tub and then overflow for a few minutes.   I have to set mine about about "1/2 load" for a full tub/load.)  

 

As the machine fills, some of the water is diverted into that tank (there's a small funnel at the top of it).   Once the water level in the tank moves the float (and water level switch), the inlet valve closes and there's a 30 second or so pause before it starts agitating.

 

Once the agitation period ends, it pauses.   During that pause, a solenoid lifts the plunger blocking the drain port in that small tank and the water drains into the outer tub. 

 

As John said there should be a tub brake, mine has one and stops the spinning tub in about 5 or 6 seconds.  

 

I hope this helps!

Kevin


Post# 710832 , Reply# 35   10/22/2013 at 12:47 (3,838 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Kevin.....

is it possible for your SQ....

you may have too high of water pressure.....

or your may be missing the restrictor to limit water flow.....


I had to locate and install the restictors in mine, although time filled, it normally requires about 3 to 4 minutes to fill, without the restrictor, it was filling in about 2 minutes....way too fast


Post# 710834 , Reply# 36   10/22/2013 at 12:54 (3,838 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Martin,

 

I have to watch the water pressure / flow on my Unimatic being it is a "real" timed fill machine.   But no, on this Speed Queen water pressure doesn't matter because it has that plastic reservoir on the back of the outer tub which fills as the tub fills.   Once the water level float / switch is satisified, water flow stops and timer starts again.   Even though this washer is a solid tub, it really is a metered fill, not a timed fill.

 

Kevin


Post# 710840 , Reply# 37   10/22/2013 at 13:08 (3,838 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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although I have never seen a metered filled unit....is there an adjustment somewhere along the way that would even the two out....either for too much, or too little....

interesting setup.....and odd for SQ to offer both timed and metered fill.....


Post# 710843 , Reply# 38   10/22/2013 at 13:28 (3,838 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Oh yeah I'm sure there is something to adjust to make it right, I just haven't bothered I just turned the water level switch down and it's fine.   It's not like I'm constantly adjusting the water level or anything.

 

I'll see if I can get photos or maybe a video of this set up later.

 

Kevin 


Post# 710844 , Reply# 39   10/22/2013 at 13:31 (3,838 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Thanks Kevin....

Post# 711003 , Reply# 40   10/23/2013 at 08:03 (3,837 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Mine has a pressure switch.

Post# 711004 , Reply# 41   10/23/2013 at 08:04 (3,837 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Then the back tank, you can see the solenoid and funnel.

Post# 711007 , Reply# 42   10/23/2013 at 08:13 (3,837 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The metered fill SQ washers used pressure switches, as above.  They still used a restricted water valve like the time-fill models to control the rate of flow into the machine.  Replacing the valve with an unrestricted type will throw off the "measuring" system.  

 

Once you get the machine hooked up and water flows through it's normal system, it may work just fine though replacing the hose from the tank to the pressure switch would be a good preventative step.  With the separate tank outside the main tub, filling with a hose or bucket only makes for fun spin-out.


Post# 711068 , Reply# 43   10/23/2013 at 14:27 (3,836 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Ok, thanks for the info.

Post# 711260 , Reply# 44   10/24/2013 at 20:53 (3,835 days old) by Washman (o)        
How are you coming along?

with your find? Have any vids of it yet doing a full washing?

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Washman's LINK


Post# 711509 , Reply# 45   10/26/2013 at 14:51 (3,833 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Not yet. I'm still figuring out what I am going to do with it. It would look good in Mike from Grand Rapids (I don't know his handle) basement. Has he posted pictures of his machines? He has a pretty nice collection.

Post# 712257 , Reply# 46   10/30/2013 at 13:51 (3,830 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I'm not sure what I am going to do with this, if anyone is interested, I would trade it for a portable dishwasher.


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