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Post# 718824   12/2/2013 at 14:58 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi folks

I recently acquired one of these machines - an old favourite of mine. It's in great cosmetic condition with just a bit of rust around the dispenser but the chrome, paintwork and controls are in good nick. However, it's not working properly - I'll come on to that in a minute. First here are a few pics





Post# 718825 , Reply# 1   12/2/2013 at 14:59 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Full frontal

Post# 718826 , Reply# 2   12/2/2013 at 14:59 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Controls close up

Post# 718827 , Reply# 3   12/2/2013 at 15:01 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Internals

Post# 718828 , Reply# 4   12/2/2013 at 15:02 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Rear view

Post# 718829 , Reply# 5   12/2/2013 at 15:05 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Must be a nightmare to trace out wiring faults! They are virtually the same colours!

Post# 718830 , Reply# 6   12/2/2013 at 15:06 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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And now to the problem - the big induction motor

Post# 718833 , Reply# 7   12/2/2013 at 15:11 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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When I tried it out on a test spin there was a popping noise, the smell of ozone and the drum wouldn't spin. Further investigation revealed a wire to the motor was broken

Post# 718834 , Reply# 8   12/2/2013 at 15:12 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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However, all of the wires coming out of the motor have perished and need replacing

Post# 718837 , Reply# 9   12/2/2013 at 15:17 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The big question is how. This is as far as I have been able to go with the motor strip down. Not sure how the core comes out. I did speak to a motor rewind place but they wanted silly money. I think they were a bit dodgy though.

Have any other AW ers had a similar issue? Not sure what to do as would love to get this up and running again.


Post# 718838 , Reply# 10   12/2/2013 at 15:19 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Finally, not sure if there is damage on the rotor as it is marked with lines on one side but not the other

Post# 718839 , Reply# 11   12/2/2013 at 15:20 (3,787 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Final pic from me. Any help would be greatly appreciated to get this old classic back up and running

S :)


Post# 718860 , Reply# 12   12/2/2013 at 16:55 (3,787 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool)        

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I had that exact same machine briefly for a few months. Weighed an absolute ton but was fun to use. Only downside was having to pull it out from under the worktop when the dryer was in use.

I'm sure someone will help you sort this out.
Great machine though...


Post# 718863 , Reply# 13   12/2/2013 at 17:12 (3,787 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
Hi Steve

Nice machine, and great cosmetic condition. I have had to replace these wires before on a couple of older motors like this.

You are practically there, firstly it looks as though a few of the conections are around the top of the coils as we see in the photo of the coils, with nothing to loose but the chance of success, i would have an educated guess and follow the visible wires and cut the string holding the wrapped up conection and cut it open with side cutters. Now when ive done this on the motors ive worked on, the supply wire and coil wire have simply been twisted and soldered, so i've done the same and then slide heat shrink sleaving over the joint and put the wiring back with cable ties and a blob of epoxy glue. I would be suprised if you need toget the coils out, as it looks as though all the connections are around the top.

If you do get have to get the coils out, then check around the body of the motor for welds or as I have found a rivot holding the coils in place, you'd then have to drift or grind the weld/rivot out, then using a club hammer and slim bolster chisel drift it apart. I had to do this with an old english electric wringer washer motor, to reassemble, i put the outer metal body of the motor in the oven to warm up and expand, then the coils went back in a little easier. But as I say I doubt you'd have to go that far.

Well all the best with the repair, it's lovely to watch that variable pulley as the spin kicks in, something different from our british brush motor machines.

I know the picture doesn't help, just shows one I've done, it's from an acme sun breeze dryer.

Mathew


Post# 718866 , Reply# 14   12/2/2013 at 17:23 (3,787 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Great machine. My grandparents used to have the washer only version of this machine until about 1992, unfortunately I can't remember the model number. I've only seen examples of the washer-dryer version since though, so I guess it was more common.

Tom


Post# 718871 , Reply# 15   12/2/2013 at 17:32 (3,787 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Great catch Steve. If you are short of parts drop and email to "MatchboxPaul" - they purchased a similar machine in the last 12 to 18 months which I believe was to be a donor for parts for another example they have

Al


Post# 718873 , Reply# 16   12/2/2013 at 17:34 (3,787 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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I could not help but have a chuckle as i saw the precision tools you have lying by that old motor

Al


Post# 718876 , Reply# 17   12/2/2013 at 17:39 (3,787 days old) by mrx ()        

My grandparents had one of these until the early 2000s I vaguely remember it.
It was called a Thor 850XD here though.

They were a bit of a crazy design by any standards!

The dryer is vented, and just blows the steam straight out through those two hoses and a filter straight into the room! So, if it's under a countertop it's an absolute disaster as you couldn't access the fluff filter and you also couldn't connect up any kind of exhaust hose to deal with the steam.

The two chrome bars bars lift up at 90º to bring down casters to move the machine. Quite a clever idea which should have been adopted by more manufacturers !!

It also does no spin distribution at all if I remember correctly.

Basically the pump comes on and it will sit pumping out for ages then just all of a sudden click into full 850RPM spin and shake like crazy.

Also there's a switch in the drawer that pauses the cycle if you open it. This often shook out during the spin resulting in the machine stopping. I'm not sure if that was intentional or just a happy coincidence to avoid your house being shaken to bits :D

It also has a pre-pump filter which looks a bit like a comb. It's just a whole load of plastic spikes arranged in a circle on the filter cap. It is not self-cleaning and will catch loads of lint which meant that cleaning the filter was a regular chore for no real reason as the pump should have been able to handle small amounts of lint no problem like modern machines.

That machine finally gave up when the outer tub corroded and it was irreparable.

Oh the other thing, for some reason they tended to suffer a lot of pump failures. Again, not sure why this was.





They're made by Riber of Italy




Post# 718895 , Reply# 18   12/2/2013 at 18:41 (3,787 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Great Machine you have got your hands on there Steve. Fingers crossed that you will get this beauty back in action soon. Keep us all informed on the progress, wish i could be of some help.

Post# 718908 , Reply# 19   12/2/2013 at 19:42 (3,787 days old) by mrx ()        

This is its slightly older 1974 washer-only predecessor





Coleston, Thor and a few other brands seem to have simply been purchasing and rebadging Riber machines.


Post# 718942 , Reply# 20   12/3/2013 at 01:14 (3,787 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa)        
"They're made by Riber of Italy"

These were sold as Indesit 525 in SA & Oz.

Post# 718944 , Reply# 21   12/3/2013 at 01:27 (3,787 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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Are for balance and to make the rotor run true centre.


Post# 718955 , Reply# 22   12/3/2013 at 03:58 (3,786 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

I remember the washer only version of the Colston had a very odd final spin cycle, where it would continuously speed up, slow down, speed up etc. Never seen anything like it before or since.




Post# 718956 , Reply# 23   12/3/2013 at 04:43 (3,786 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Hello Steve what a great machine, all mechanical, these sort of machines tick my boxes, engineering and engenuity, i love it.
I can only endorse what Mat has said about replacing the failing motor wires, take your time keep a clear head, and it can be done.

Als comment about Mats professional tool kit is well spotted, I always have a "Universal Adjuster" or "Harry the Hammer" close at hand as do others that I know ;-) the only extra tool I have is a packet of fags and an ashtray.

Good luck
Gary


Post# 718962 , Reply# 24   12/3/2013 at 07:26 (3,786 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

"I remember the washer only version of the Colston had a very odd final spin cycle, where it would continuously speed up, slow down, speed up etc. Never seen anything like it before or since. "

The reason for this is the clever motor arrangement. These use a particular type induction motor, a characteristic of which was a very slow spin. There just isn't a great enough difference between the slow speed (for wash) and the fast speed (for spin). A few Italian machines of this era used an expanding pulley to speed up the spin speed - on wash the two halves of the pulley would be wider spaced, so the belt would run on the inner edge of the pulley, a smaller diameter and thus slower speed. When the motor hit spin speed, the pulley would expand due to centrifugal weights behind the pulley forcing the two halves closer together, thus squeezing the belt to the outer edge of the pulley... larger diameter pulley gives faster belt speed. As the pulley expands, the motor rises up on the belt and moves closer to the drum.
Indesit used a clever extra feature - a microswitch is fitted between the motor and drum. When the slower spin speed is selected, the motor spins up to speed till the motor rises up and compresses the switch, then the power to the motor is cut, the motor slows, the pulley opens up and the motor drops back down...till the switch is released, then the motor starts up again, expanding the pulley, lifting the motor, compressing the switch and turning the motor off again, to repeat the cycle.
If you select the fast spin speed - a blazing 800 rpm - then that microswitch is bypassed, so the motor runs at full speed for the entire spin time.

I really like these machines, I have owned a couple some years ago. Mine were South African orphan imports, they had four option buttons and a black fascia instead of chrome.

I have a spare motor for these in my shed, but it is on the wrong side of the planet to be any use to you - postage would be prohibitive.


Post# 718973 , Reply# 25   12/3/2013 at 08:26 (3,786 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa)        
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Chris, Those South African orphan imports were Indesit serie 2000 machines.

Post# 718977 , Reply# 26   12/3/2013 at 09:52 (3,786 days old) by mrx ()        

I still can't remember what the A and B buttons did.

S was just on/off.


Post# 718978 , Reply# 27   12/3/2013 at 09:55 (3,786 days old) by mrx ()        

I remember it as being a fairly quiet machine though, other than having a very noisy pump!

Is the induction motor English Electric ?

The only very big flaw on the design was how it handled dryer exhausting. It really should have had a filter somewhere accessible and a hose out the back.

It was fine if you were using the machine without a worktop over it and in a well ventilated shed. However, I remember the one I was familiar with completely destroyed work tops by constantly blasting out steam. Even the wash cycle caused a lot of steam if it was 60ºC.

They were actually an excellent tumble dryer though, albeit tiny load capacity.

My granny had the Thor 850XD washer/dryer and also a Hoover Tumble Dryer Deluxe

She'd tend to use the 850XD just to dry maybe a few small things as it was more economical to run than the big vented dryer (although, I'd have my doubts to be honest!)

There was also a slight problem in so far as if there was a major suds lock causing foam to spew up, the foam could back up into the dryer blower! Didn't seem to worry it though.


Post# 719043 , Reply# 28   12/3/2013 at 16:57 (3,786 days old) by statomatic (France)        

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Hi, very nice machine, another solution is to put the wires in shrink tubes, I did this on a machine of my collection, it works very fine.

Post# 719051 , Reply# 29   12/3/2013 at 17:21 (3,786 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
A and B buttons were I believe...

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Short spin was one and the other raised the water level for delicates and wool etc.

 

Does anyone remember the predecessor of this machine and it had the dryer unit built into the door?

 

They were good for their time !

 

Oh and if you look at the bundle of wires in the pics above they are not as hard to trace as you think as each has a unique number that is on each end !

 

Austin


Post# 719052 , Reply# 30   12/3/2013 at 17:22 (3,786 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Thanks for the information, Chris. I'd wondered for years about the reason for this, and now I know at last. Very interesting!

Tom


Post# 719053 , Reply# 31   12/3/2013 at 17:25 (3,786 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Thanks chaps for all your comments. Just spent ages putting a reply together and then lost it all so will start again and post a bit at a time grrrrr

Mathew - thanks matey you have given me the encouragement to give it ago. I don't think the coils are going to come out easily so I will give it a go from the top even though I have sausage fingers so not too good with the fiddly things! Do I need to use heat resisting wire or anything special - I was thinking of using sone old Hoovermatic wiring that I have if it would work. I might be able to spend some time on it at the weekend and I am looking forward to seeing the pulley in full operation so that's a good incentive for me to get this back up and running.

Love the precision tools too - I'll be using something similar I'm sure! Will keep you posted.

S :)


Post# 719055 , Reply# 32   12/3/2013 at 17:30 (3,786 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Why not use insulating tape?

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It would save having to take the plug on the side of the motor apart or heat shrink you can get from car part stores !

 

Austin


Post# 719056 , Reply# 33   12/3/2013 at 17:36 (3,786 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I've attached a link to the instruction book for this and the 800VS washer only courtesy of Chestermike for anyone who is interested. The A button is the rinse hold and B is for bio wash. The book also mentions a venting kit although there will be no chance of tracking one of these down now and it still wouldn't address access to the filter. Strange that the advert for the machine shows it under a worktop - perhaps the Formica was stronger in those days.

I wonder if the high pump failures were done to that filter Ronan. The one on this machine was totally clogged with fluff. The instruction book also mentions the soap dispenser switch - my mum's old neff used to have this but there was no chance of that jumping around lol.


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Post# 719057 , Reply# 34   12/3/2013 at 17:45 (3,786 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Austin

If only it were that simple. The problem with the wires is that the actual core has frayed apart as well so in some cases it's down to a couple of strands. It's also really brittle so it's just going to snap and the insulation has broken at the point were they pass through the casing. I would have preferred to have been able to do the shrink tube but alas it's a full on challenge instead. Thanks for the note on the rotor - it's a relief to know its deliberate.


Post# 719058 , Reply# 35   12/3/2013 at 17:53 (3,786 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Sorry Steve

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it did not seem so bad in the other photo. 

 

I was trying to make life easier as I know its a bitch trying to get the spade connectors replaced or will you have to replace the whole thing ?

 

Austin 

 

Ps do you still want those Servis Quartz PCB's?


Post# 719060 , Reply# 36   12/3/2013 at 17:59 (3,786 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Meant to say I will look out for the numbers too! That spin is an interesting way of doing things. I know the way the motor is mounted is unique to enable the belt to keep its tension when it's washing or spinning.

Gary - I will have a similar tool kit out but will swap the fags for fruit gums and perhaps the tea for a gin although I'd better leave that for when I'm almost done or I'll end up crossing my wires! I love the clicks and whirs of these old beauties so hopefully I will get it back on its feet.

Chris, thanks for the offer but you are right, these motors weigh a ton so no chance on shipping. I'm guess other motors of this age may be suffering the same issues as the insulation is rubber. This motor was made in Romania so that would explain why it's so robust. They don't make em like this no more!!

Will keep you updated
S :)


Post# 719061 , Reply# 37   12/3/2013 at 18:00 (3,786 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
The previous version

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Was the Colston Commodore, this picture is dated November 1973. It is my recollection that, after the demise of the large Bendix washer/driers this was the only combo that was around for quite some years, although Thorn did revive the large style Bendix towards the end of the 1970s.

This Colston also came as a washer only with a conventional door.

Al


Post# 719062 , Reply# 38   12/3/2013 at 18:04 (3,786 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Nice one Al

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I think we had one of these that the motor went on and I bodged a different motor to make it work as a dryer only which it did for quite some time it lived in the garage and the fluff behind it was amazing ...

 

Nice seeing a picture of it again after all these years.

 

Austin


Post# 719063 , Reply# 39   12/3/2013 at 18:07 (3,786 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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No worries Austin. Believe me I would prefer to keep it easy but no chance with this, that's why I went to the motor rewind place as I know they could do a good job easily!

Yes the quartz boards would be great. Both quartz machines are parked in a new shed I had to get to hide the machines while the house was on sale. Should be moving out of here in January so once I'm in the new place I'll have to have another go at them so the boards could help if you are happy to hang in for a bit longer. Will keep you posted

S :)


Post# 719064 , Reply# 40   12/3/2013 at 18:09 (3,786 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Fluff filter..

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was not used if you had a vent hose fitted as it was not meant to be dragged in and out so any fluff was just blown outside the filter screen only required if drying with no hose.

 

Austin


Post# 719067 , Reply# 41   12/3/2013 at 18:16 (3,786 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
The boards are yours

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and not doing any harm in the shed just let me know when you want them.

 

Austin 


Post# 719163 , Reply# 42   12/4/2013 at 05:19 (3,785 days old) by mrx ()        

How do modern washer dryers deal with lint?

Is it just washed out during the wash cycle and ends up being pumped out ?

I know most pumps would be pretty unaffected by lint. In general the filters on most machines are really just traps to prevent large coins, buttons or other debris that is too big for the impeller from getting into the pump.

I wonder if the 850XD had such a complex drain filter because of all the lint generated by the dryer?

That's the drain filter below.

I'm not sure what the square thing is though. I don't remember that.


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Post# 719164 , Reply# 43   12/4/2013 at 05:28 (3,785 days old) by mrx ()        
I found the vent kit!

Here's the vent kit for the machine.

It's a standard dryer hose with an adaptor that fits into the filter bracket.

Apparently the door interlock was another regular failure point as was the door catch, which was subsequently replaced with a metal one which can be retrofitted to the original machines without any issue.


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Post# 719168 , Reply# 44   12/4/2013 at 05:51 (3,785 days old) by mrx ()        

They were made by : Riber = RIccardo BERtolino

 

The company seems to have just disappeared out of the mainstream market for laundry appliances in the late 1970s.

I think there was a lot of consolidation around then though and quite a large number of smaller European white goods companies just disappeared entirely.

 

Usually when a company's doing 'white label' products for other brands, it's a sign that it's not doing so well at marketing its own products and don't have the economies of scale. If you consider the Antonio Merloni machines etc.. those companies didn't really make enough money because they didn't have full control of the marketing and were competing with other companies that do similar white-label machines for rebagging. In Europe, they were up against Turkish companies like Arçelik (yes, they really care called that and thankfully have the good sense to be called BEKO in most markets!) and Chinese manufactures.

 

It looks like Riber put a lot of development into that series of washer-dryers though. They were excellent machines for that era. I would suspect when the washer-dryer concept went more main-stream, you just saw the major brands taking over entirely in the 1980s. So, all of a sudden there were Hotpoints, Hoovers, Indesits, Aristons etc in their respective major markets and Riber and it's re-badgers no longer had that niche all to themselves and just fizzled out.

 

It looks like Indesit and Ariston had some connection to that 850XD family of machines too and were definitely selling them at one stage or derivatives of them.

 

I wonder did they just buy the manufacturing plant and IP from Riber and use it as a basis for their own machines?

 

Coleston actually collapsed in 1964, so any use of the name after that was by other companies anyway.

So, it looks like Ariston which had taken over the Coleston brand by the late 1970s was using it to sell washer dryers it was bringing in from Riber, which it may have owned by then too.

 

I have no idea what the Thor brand was here in Ireland though. It was quite commonly seen in the late 70s and early 80s on a lot of products and it doesn't seem to be anything to do with the current incarnation of Thor which is a budget brand.

 

The old range included stuff like the 850XD and 950XD. I've seen the brand on pretty high quality cooker hoods and other items like that from that era too.

 

Motor wiring :

 

That wiring actually looks heat damaged rather than just old.

 

I notice that the fan blades appear to have a crack near the rotor shaft. Is that still attached firmly? That could be why the wires are brittle - the motor may have been overheating for years.

 

Late 1970s wiring sheathing would have been pretty similar to modern insulation. It's unlikely it should have just become brittle like that age. I would suspect that motor ran quite hot during the spin cycles.

 

There are a few specialist motor rewind companies around who could probably take it apart and completely rebuild it for you but, it would be quite pricy.

 

In reality, that's not very different to a small industrial motor and quite unlike brush motors normally associated with domestic washing machines of that era.

 

I would guess that if they were buying motors from Romania in those days, they were probably getting very high spec, much, much cheaper than they'd have been able to buy in Italy.

 

I'm guessing from the stamp, that machine's from about 1981. The motor looks to be stamped with 11 80.. Assume that could be November 1980.

 

Final tip:

 

ASBESTOS WARNING

 

That pinkish panel over the fan/heater assembly for the dryer is quite possible that it could be asbestos. I would be VERY wary of disturbing that too much as it could be brittle.

It's the one thing that would put me off getting too up close and personal with some appliances of that era.




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Post# 719266 , Reply# 45   12/4/2013 at 17:40 (3,785 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
This is its slightly older 1974 washer-only predecessor

OMG! I didn't remember to have picked up such rare machine :D and I got early rid of it giving to another washers lover (rikbio77)

CIAO!


Post# 719348 , Reply# 46   12/5/2013 at 03:24 (3,784 days old) by mrx ()        

They were certainly distinctively styled machines.



Post# 719350 , Reply# 47   12/5/2013 at 03:45 (3,784 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Just a couple of points on your last post.

Firstly, as far as is known Colston did NOT go under in 1964, you are confusing it with Rolls who primarily manufactured twin tubs although they also did sell Colston dishwashers under the Rolls name.

The name Colston appears to have emerged in the very late 1950s - a Colston dishwasher appeared in the Which December 1960 report. I have often wondered if there is any relationship with the 1950s Hoover MD (NOT Sir Charles who basically set up Hoover in the 1920) and indeed if the dishwasher could have been a design that Hoover had been developing but dropped. THIS IS JUST MY SPECULATION, AND I MAY BE MAKING 2+2 = 5.

Anyway, Rolls emerged about the same time, into the burgeoning UK twin tub market. Initially they imported these from Holland but shortly began manufacturing them here in the UK. They bought the motors for these machine from a company called Bylock whom they took over in late 1963. Bylock first appeared in the 1930s manufacturing hair dryers but they expanded after WW2 into vacuum cleaners & polishers - the vacuum cleaners, initially, where based on designs from the US Apex company. I believe that there was also a Bylock twin tub which presumably was a Rolls design. When Rolls went bust in 1964 they took Bylock with them.

After Rolls went bust the manufacturing facility was taken over by a company called Tallent, who had a relationship with Rolls as one of their suppliers (from memory) and the machines continued to be produced under a variety of well known names (including English Electric, Goblin, HMV and many others) before being consolidated (and restyled) under the Colston name. During this period Colston increased their range to include a more "squared off" counter-top model and a floor standing machine although these were fundamentally the same machine as the older model under the skin.

And so it continued into the 1970s with the addition of the automatic washer & washer/dryer and also a more conventional (12 place) floor standing dishwasher. Steve's washer drier above must be a later one as it is branded Colston Ariston (so post Ariston takeover), I think I have also seen these branded as Colston only.

It was in the early 1980s (maybe even 1980) that Colston were taken over by Ariston, God knows why as their dishwashers had disappeared in the mid 1970s and the twin tubs were certainly very long in the tooth, in a market that was (and had been for several years) shrinking rapidly. They even brought out a single tub and spin drier (fair enough based on the old technology) at the end of the 1970s when this market was even smaller. Initially branded as Colston-Ariston the Colston name was soon dropped and shortly after that the whole lot disappeared for ever - by my reckoning about 1982 or so.

And a final note, this time on the Thor. I had a Philips branded washer drier purchased (new) in around 1984 or maybe early 1985 which was similar to the Thor 950. This seems to have been a development of 850 (so maybe manufactured by Riber) which vented out the back - mine did have a vent hose. It had one curious thing about it in that there was a little L shaped hose which drained out the door boot into the (outer) wash drum. A gimmick for, which a very short time, with all the movement & vibration it had split sending waster all over the place.

I have an ad for the 950 which I recorded on RTE back when you were still in your pram which I will try and get onto YouTube this weekend

Al


Post# 720091 , Reply# 48   12/9/2013 at 11:54 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi steven and everyone.

I am playing catch up again, so sorry for the delay in replying.

Al mentioned that I picked one up earlier this year indeed I did and I was hoping that it would be a mechanical failure or rusted to hell, so that I could justify parting it out for spares.

Unfortunately, barring the obligatory rustiness behind the powder drawer, its in fine condition. Indeed its fault was that the pulley had worked loose, had wobbled and the belt had come off.
Seeing that the belt was adrift, as myself and its original owner put it in the car, I did check if he wanted to repair it, but he said nope and I handed him a tenner and drove off.
The instruction manual thread that you linked to Steven, was the seller whom I acquired my version1 850XD from.

So, frustratingly I can't offer spare parts from it, as it is now fully operational again.
If you ant any photos taking of its internals to act as a rebuild guide for yours, then just let me know.

Piccy of the version1 COLSTON 850XD below, sat in my garage with some friends....



Post# 720092 , Reply# 49   12/9/2013 at 11:55 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

closer up ...

Post# 720093 , Reply# 50   12/9/2013 at 11:57 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and here is the version2 850XD that we have - version2 as it is branded COLSTON ARISTON, picked up from Blackpool a couple of years ago ....

Post# 720095 , Reply# 51   12/9/2013 at 11:58 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

then we move to pure ARISTON branding, in the form of the 950XD with additional button.

This machine is model number 2559, whilst the original 850XD was model 2558....


Post# 720097 , Reply# 52   12/9/2013 at 12:01 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

then on again, with a further restyle for 1984, to produce the ARISTON 1050XD ...

Post# 720098 , Reply# 53   12/9/2013 at 12:04 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Al mentioned that he had a Philips branded machine, that was derived from the Colston.
That machine will probably have been the PHILIPS AWB089 Washer-Dryer, that was available circa 1984.

Subtle tweaks, nips and tucks, but its filter cover is the give away ....


Post# 720100 , Reply# 54   12/9/2013 at 12:08 (3,780 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

The 850XD is a great machine and interesting to watch with, as mentioned in the thread, its up and down spin cycles.

Fingers crossed you get it going again steven.

Regards
Paul


Post# 723222 , Reply# 55   12/26/2013 at 16:16 (3,763 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        
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After getting back from the rellies I had a bit of time today to work off some of the Christmas overeating and tackle the motor. I wasn't looking forward to it but it turned out to be much easier than I expected. I followed Mathew's instructions and didn't need to remove the coil. I used spare wiring from some Hoovermatic parts I have and used some heat shrink tubing and solder. Here's a pic of the wiring released before I renewed the wires

Post# 723223 , Reply# 56   12/26/2013 at 16:19 (3,763 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Here's a pic of the repair. I joined onto the old spade connectors for the time being as wanted to make sure the repair worked before I do this.

Post# 723225 , Reply# 57   12/26/2013 at 16:29 (3,763 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The motor fan does have a crack but is firmly attached to the shaft so should be ok. I popped it back into the machine and did a test. The drum would only rotate clockwise and wouldn't spin either which turned out to be me mixing up two connections. It was difficult to see which colour was which on two of the old wires when I was replacing them as they had discoloured.

Have done a quick test spin and it works a treat doing the on off spin thing for the first few minutes before a constant spin. Will do a full test wash tomorrow and hopefully some videos too. :)


Post# 723389 , Reply# 58   12/27/2013 at 13:39 (3,762 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Nothing short of amazing! That machine sure is lovely! Plus, I ADORE the fact that is a vented combo!

Post# 723883 , Reply# 59   12/30/2013 at 12:41 (3,759 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I have now done a couple of washes in it and it seems to be working fine. There is a bit of a squeak which I think is coming from the pulley but it doesn't seem too bad. The machine has had a repair carried out as there is a sticker on the side and someone has drawn on the soap drawer. It relates to the switches which now seem to be the opposite of the instructions. Button B has to be pushed in to get the machine to spin!

Post# 723884 , Reply# 60   12/30/2013 at 12:48 (3,759 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I took the switches out and they are different. The B switch has less terminals than A so not sure what is going on! Impossible to fathom out without a wiring diagram. Paul - if you are able to note the numbers and positions of the connections and let me know that would be fantastic.

Anyway, have made a video of the whole wash cycle which I've shortened and hopefully will be able to upload soon. It shows the unusual spin cycles too. I have tried the dryer and it works well but I really need the vent kit as it fills the house with condensation!


Post# 723890 , Reply# 61   12/30/2013 at 13:07 (3,759 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Well done on getting this lovely machine up and running again, really looking forward to seeing the video. A neighbour had the Indesit version but never saw it in action.

Post# 723900 , Reply# 62   12/30/2013 at 13:38 (3,759 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Thanks Paul. It's been a challenge so I'm glad it's sorted. Having a couple of problems with the video software but hopefully will be able to post tonight

Post# 724770 , Reply# 63   1/3/2014 at 16:41 (3,755 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        
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At last. Here is the video of a shortened wash cycle. Not the best quality and 12 mins long. I'll try and improve for the next one!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO sesteve's LINK


Post# 724778 , Reply# 64   1/3/2014 at 17:00 (3,755 days old) by Hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Fantastic video

That spin is so bizarre! If I didn't know that was normal I would certainly think it was faulty!

How dry would you say it gets the clothes compared to other 800 spin machines?

Matt


Post# 724783 , Reply# 65   1/3/2014 at 17:22 (3,755 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Matt

It is weird and the motor makes a different noise to any other! The spin is ok but you can see how much more water I got out of the washing in the Spinarinse video I've just posted so would cost a fortune if you just went straight onto the drying cycle not to mention all that condensation if you didn't use a vent kit!

S :)


Post# 724818 , Reply# 66   1/3/2014 at 18:40 (3,755 days old) by OPTIMA (Cumbria England)        
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Never seen a washer-Dryer with such a strange spin profile as this, very enjoyable to watch. Thank you for uploading this.

Post# 724888 , Reply# 67   1/3/2014 at 22:12 (3,755 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
Thank you......

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.......for posting the video. Truly the strangest final spin I've ever seen....must say I'd have thought the machine faulty! Loving the motor sound though, reminds me of noises from my childhood.

Post# 725135 , Reply# 68   1/4/2014 at 23:19 (3,754 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
spin sound

The huge cast aluminium pulley on the motor really echoes out the noise. Also because of the expanding pulley, the belt is never a good firm fit on the pulley, so it slips a bit which adds noise too. If there is any wear on the belt, especially cracking or chipping of the inner surfaces, it adds to noise.

The later versions, like the South African ones I owned, changed to a plastic expanding pulley. It was much quieter when new, but tended to wear out where the belt rubbed on it, creating its own noise over time.

I have had both the black fronted SA ones like the Indesit 2527 in Docker's post above, and Silver faced ones badged Lemair WD800 and Indesit WD800. The differences were slight, mainly the spin pulley and also the switches had different functions. There was a "snowflake" button which replaced the D (dry) button - it was for "no heater" in the wash cycle. You would select dry just by setting the dry timer. If you set the dry timer to off, it wouldn't dry.
There was no 800 button, all regular spins were at 800rpm. You selected a delicate cycle on the timer to get the slower (alternating) spin.
The 4 buttons were, from vague memory, snowflake (no heater in wash); water saver (uses the lower water level for rinses as well as wash); no spin; and on/off.

Chris.


Post# 725148 , Reply# 69   1/5/2014 at 04:37 (3,753 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Chuffed

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Steve I am so pleased you got the motor sorted and working, this is a lovely machine to listen too and watch

maybe the suspension needs looking at, but if that was one off bad spin I wouldn't worry, these machines are built to take this sort of action.

If it used dampers like the older Hotpoints you might be able to strip them and re-grease them inside I don't know as I have never investigated them.

Enjoy enjoy
Gary


Post# 725356 , Reply# 70   1/5/2014 at 18:53 (3,753 days old) by statomatic (France)        

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Hi and happy new year !

Good job on fixing the motor wiring.

When I find an unknown asynchronous motor I make measurements with ohmmeter on all of the possible combinations of the motor terminals and report the measurements on a list like this :
1/2 = 78 Ohms.
1/3 = 87 Ohms.
1/4 = 44 Ohms.
1/5 = 56 Ohms.
2/3 = 78 Ohms.
2/4 = 35 Ohms.
2/5 = 47 Ohms.
3/4 = 44 Ohms.
3/5 = 56 Ohms.
4/5 = 13 Ohms.

By deduction it's possible to find how to connect the motor for wash or spin speed:
1 = Low speed (CCW, same as high speed).
2 = High speed (starting winding)
3 = Low speed (CW)
4 = Common (neutral).
5 = High speed (main winding).

I did this on 3 or 4 motors I've found.


Post# 725445 , Reply# 71   1/6/2014 at 04:38 (3,752 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Congrats Steve, lots of hands on work finally pays off, I do remember the dryer was very effective with the big blower unit, it shifted some air through that back vent!!

I wonder if the vent is the same size as the Hoover in the 80`s model as their vented combo had a similar vent system? Glad you got the motor sorted, they usually last forever apart from the frayed wiring. Look forward to seeing more vids...


Post# 726999 , Reply# 72   1/11/2014 at 15:58 (3,747 days old) by chanceskydiver (West Linton)        

That's one machine which is very tasty to see and will be a pleasure to use 😄 Never used one but have seen picture of them in past

Post# 727460 , Reply# 73   1/13/2014 at 15:01 (3,745 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Thanks for the comments guys.

Gary - I'm chuffed too. Didn't think I'd be able to do it so I'm really glad Mathew posted his encouragement or the machine might have just been left in the shed! It has friction damper suspension so it might be a bit worn - I haven't checked it out yet. You can't lubricate this but you are right as the machine doesn't flinch even when it was spinning towels!

Mike - you are right. The dryer is very effective so much so that I had to wheel the machine near to the cooker so I could use the cooker hood to extract the air. Not sure how people managed to use it without a vent kit!

It's back in the shed for now as I decided to tackle another machine at the weekend. More of that in a bit ......
S :)



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