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Late Hanukkah present, Speed Queen Solid Tub
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Post# 720216   12/9/2013 at 16:55 (3,762 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        

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I pick it up tomorrow! The seller says it works, the mismatched dryer died and she convinced her husband to buy a matched set.
It looks relatively BOL, the color doesn't concern me at all, 2 cycles and one temp knob.





Post# 720217 , Reply# 1   12/9/2013 at 16:57 (3,762 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
controls

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2 cycles on the timer, maybe the KNITS is slow speed, or maybe it's just shorter time? Water level is chosen at the start of the cycle. I believe SQ switched from TIMED fill to METERED late in the solid tub run? That's about all I know, except I can't wait to get it.


Post# 720218 , Reply# 2   12/9/2013 at 17:04 (3,762 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
and

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the money shot------NO PERF HOLES IN THAT TUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be searching the Searchilator later, but throw me any info you guys got-----age? Era? likely one speed? Lint filtering or no? Maybe a 9 or 10# model? So far my searching hasn't shown a model with anything like this console.
When a machine is around 35 years old and scarce, beggars can't be choosers, so BOL it is!


Post# 720221 , Reply# 3   12/9/2013 at 17:18 (3,762 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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well, lets see......

the tub ring suggest its a reversing motor unit......

definately porcelain solid tub with overflo rinsing.....

most likely 1 speed....the DurablePress should add one more minute of continuous water to the first spin, otherwise it is a short cycle....

and of course timed fill.....airated at that....should prove to be a heavy duty unit, almost similar to a commercial unit used in laundromats......yet only one speed, but it does have variable water levels for the wash only....

SQ seemed to offer several models with time fill or pressure fill at the same time...

your not washing a half load with that lid open....trust me!.....but usually best to wash full loads anyway.....

waiting to hear your opinion of it after a few loads....


Post# 720243 , Reply# 4   12/9/2013 at 19:43 (3,762 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
NICE

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Can't wait to see the vids!


Post# 720245 , Reply# 5   12/9/2013 at 19:46 (3,762 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Mark that is a beautiful find.

I would guess early-ish 70s. It's certainly not the late 70's as far as I can tell. The control panel still has some of their 60's style left in it for sure.

The tub looks mint! Maybe this was a low use machine.

These Speed Queen solid-tub machines are great performers in so many ways, one of the best deep rinses you'll ever see!


Post# 720247 , Reply# 6   12/9/2013 at 20:15 (3,762 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Chrome Agitator Crown

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I think I have a new chrome agitator cap in my stash. Let me know if you might want it.

Malcolm

Love a solid tub machine!


Post# 720249 , Reply# 7   12/9/2013 at 20:20 (3,762 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Ephemera

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Robert's Ephemera section has a 1975 catalog of all SQ models, this one certainly seems to be their very BOL-est. Upline models list Extra Capacity Stainless or Extra Capacity Porcelain tub, this lone BOL model lists "Family Capacity" and uses 3.5 less gallons per cycle than all others. One speed for sure, timed fill, no Fabic softener dispenser. I have never seen an overflow rinse in action, nor a solid tub machine running! I can't wait. And if the rinsing is really as great as claimed, I will reserve this machine for bleached white load and towel loads, those are the two that always force me in every other machine do do a second rinse. I love Clorox's clean whites, hate the smell, and towels always hold extra suds after only one rinse. I have other machines for slow speed, no worries.

The 75 catalog has 3 "positive fill" machines with infinite level, and 3 Timed fill with choice at the start of the cycle. Rinsing I guess is all full tub.

I still don't have it or the model number yet, but the 75 catalog seems dead on correct. Agitated overflow rinsing at the end of both WASH and RINSE! 210 degree oscilation!


Post# 720250 , Reply# 8   12/9/2013 at 20:32 (3,762 days old) by washman (o)        
Fantastic

Please upload some vids. Especially of the famous Arc-Cuate 210 transmission carrying the freight!

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Post# 720254 , Reply# 9   12/9/2013 at 21:14 (3,762 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
OH MARK !!!

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You will be the envy of the synagogue, provided that it's full of washer dudes.

And who here wouldn't love a classic solid tub Speed Queen. Like the Frigidaires of the same era, they overflow before the wash spin, diluting the suds by half. If you're doing your suds-saving as usual, you'll want to abort it before the spin-off. But if not, this was one of SQ & Frigi's secrets to great rinsing, not to mention a genuine cool-down before they were invented. Depending on the year and model, etc, the wash water can be diluted, again, by a full half. And ya haven't even began the real rinse yet. Little wonder they're so effective at rinsing.

I'm so glad you got this. You always want ultra-vintage, and this certainly one of them. Solid tubs rock.

Congrats. You must be chompin' at the bit with excitement. I can feel it.




This post was last edited 12/09/2013 at 23:29
Post# 720277 , Reply# 10   12/10/2013 at 00:48 (3,762 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Akronman, what a great find. It will be interesting when the exact date in known. I too am thinking a little more toward mid 1970's. The iconic atom symbol with "multicycle" is absent. Anyone would love to have it. Akronman, best of luck with your new "Speed Queen".
alr


Post# 720283 , Reply# 11   12/10/2013 at 02:55 (3,761 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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You can tell when Hannukah is over, all the menorahs sitting out by the curb.

Post# 720314 , Reply# 12   12/10/2013 at 07:33 (3,761 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
BOL Beauty!

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Excellent find!  You'll really enjoy this washer, lots of splashy agitation and overflow action.   If you've never had a solid tub washer before, you'll be looking for more after you play with this one - make room!


Post# 720320 , Reply# 13   12/10/2013 at 07:48 (3,761 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Ugh

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I get it tonight, but it'll be 2-3 days before my buddy with the appliance dolly is available to get it in the basement!

Post# 720755 , Reply# 14   12/12/2013 at 06:36 (3,759 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
The....

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seller's husband has been out of town on business, and they didn't want a stranger showing up for the washer until Saturday when he's back. We've been in touch, all should be good.

Post# 720789 , Reply# 15   12/12/2013 at 10:05 (3,759 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Early 70s SQ Washer

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Great find Mark, you will have fun with this washer. as others pointed out this is a reversing motor machine, and I like the fact that it such a basic model, it is really all you need for great results. Also the machines with metered fill were more troublesome and wasted water. When you get it running you will have to check out the 210 degree agitation arc claim I have still never seen one that goes more than about 180 degrees.

Major possible trouble spots on these machines were water pumps, the parts on top of the transmission that caused the machine to agitate or not as the motor reversed, fluid drive clutch assemblies, agitator shaft and pot-metal agitator post under the agitator, the good news is that Bob in Cleveland is one of the real experts on these machines and still has some extra parts for them. The other good news is that these Solid Tub SQs were not as troublesome as the later models that had a real tub brake.

I am like you in that I always like to bleach white loads as all kinds of nasty dirty things are in these loads, always hot water and good detergent and bleach. These loads always get extra rinsing in most washers because I HATE the smell of LCB, I have walked out of eating establishments that have just used bleach to clean floors etc, LOL.

The only two washers that I have that can past this test are my WP Calypso and my WO-65 Frigidaire Unimatic that has the to deep rinses, this was before the overflow rinse machines that do not rinse nearly as well when it comes to bleach, we will await your test results, have a great holiday.

John L.


Post# 720804 , Reply# 16   12/12/2013 at 11:47 (3,759 days old) by washman (o)        
The famous Arc-Cuate 210 transmission

has been proven in millions of installations prior to its retirement in 1980.

Using my ana-cana-putican device,I measured a 209.6 degree agitation stroke on my unit. I can live with four tenths of a degree deficiency.


Post# 720811 , Reply# 17   12/12/2013 at 12:38 (3,759 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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You're going to LOVE this washer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it all works out! John is spot on, this SQ has the best of both worlds. Late enough to have the reversing motor, but early enough (and BOL enough) to not have the later brake or metered fill.

Ben


Post# 720844 , Reply# 18   12/12/2013 at 15:58 (3,759 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Mint find

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What a nice find: love that minty looking tub....and the colour too!
Congrats.

Cheers
Leon

Oh and Ben (Washman), can you please take your niggling with John about the 210 degree washing arc to private email, its getting a little tiring to read on the forums. If both of you can prove it one way or the other, then it can be settled once and for all.


Post# 720846 , Reply# 19   12/12/2013 at 16:09 (3,759 days old) by washman (o)        
mayfan69

Thanks for the advice. I will keep it in mind.

Post# 720851 , Reply# 20   12/12/2013 at 16:20 (3,759 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Just thinking about it.....

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I actually have old Speed Queen / Kleenmaid marketing videos here in Australia where they show the differences of agitation arcs between the machines on sale at the time, including a slow motion of the SQ/Kleenmaid and a Simpson which had a 180 degree arc.

In the new year, i'll see about getting these transferred to DVD and onto Youtube, that way everyone can see the differences.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 720856 , Reply# 21   12/12/2013 at 16:40 (3,759 days old) by washman (o)        
Interesting

Virtually ALL of the SQ advertising literature (and I have TONS) from "back in the day" which mentions the transmission advertises the stroke as being 210 degrees. In fact, during the later years, it was referred to the acr-q-matic 210 transmission.

See the verbiage in the ad I attached to this post

I'm not "assuming" that it even comes close to 210, just quoting SQ advertising.


Post# 720861 , Reply# 22   12/12/2013 at 17:16 (3,759 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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our own DanMan did a video of the new machine for us, with an ingenious idea of dots placed accordingly, as for these trannies, its seems more like 180, granted it is moving fast.....

I may try this out on one of my solidtubs, just to see...


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Post# 720863 , Reply# 23   12/12/2013 at 17:31 (3,759 days old) by washman (o)        
I forgot about that vid!

Upon further examination even without my ana-cana-putican device :), it sure does not look like 210 degrees, more like a 180-190!

Yikes!

And all along I was convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt it was 210 degrees!

Shame on me for not looking harder into this. I hang my head in sorrowful remorse.


Post# 720864 , Reply# 24   12/12/2013 at 17:35 (3,759 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Vids

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Once i get the vids uploaded, i'll show you how they did it.

The only way it seems it can be shown is to slow down the video and overlaying it with graphics showing the agitation arc: which is what Kleenmaid did to provide their stated claim of 210 degrees.

They also show a Simpson at the time with its 180 degree action and the differences between the two.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 720871 , Reply# 25   12/12/2013 at 18:25 (3,759 days old) by washman (o)        
No cheers for you LEON!

Darn you!

I was convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt it was 210 degrees!

You, sir, burst my bubble.

May your Fosters lager have NO fizz whatsoever!

:)


Post# 721018 , Reply# 26   12/13/2013 at 10:02 (3,758 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
Nice!

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Gotta love those BOL machines. Congratulations and enjoy! Happy holidays!

Post# 721214 , Reply# 27   12/14/2013 at 16:47 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Installed and running in a snow storm

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So I am trapped home alone with my "new" SQ ST, you guys are gonna get LOTS of pics and info tonight, lol. Sorry.

History--It was in the house when they bought in August, used for a week but they had a recent matched set from their old house and decided to sell this, she said she worried it was innefficient. Oh well, maybe it is. Disconnected it on Labor Day weekend and it sat since. It has very new hoses and the pump looks pristine, I believe the previous homeowner got regular service on this. Pics shortly. By the way, they are also selling me this Soft HEat electric dryer, ran for a week in August but also disonnected on Labor Day.
Next post is back to the Speed Queen, and I am home alone trapped happily in a snowstorm, lots of posts tonight, sorry! Lol


Post# 721219 , Reply# 28   12/14/2013 at 17:29 (3,757 days old) by washman (o)        
If you post vids

can you get one of the famous Arc-Q-matic transmission in operation?

Post# 721228 , Reply# 29   12/14/2013 at 18:38 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
new pics

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Here it is washing the blanket I protected it in the car with. There's black tape across the agitator to give my eyes a chance to decide on 180 degrees, 210, etc, I'm saying a hair more than 180, like maybe 185 maximum. Oh well.I video'd a tiny bit, we'll see what I can upload.

Model #DA3780?, the label is bad, serial number impossible. I've seen reference to SQ A37 as a base model, I guess D might be color? or year or minor info?, the A37 is what counts.

It ran 4 loads already, wonderfully. Cameras can lie, the CL ad looked green in some shots, yellow in others, the machine is a bad gold. I couldn't care less in my basement, and while it has some scratches and minor rust on one side, it will not need a major paintjob. That's one thing I like white appliances for, easy repainting.


Post# 721229 , Reply# 30   12/14/2013 at 18:40 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
recent new parts

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I think the water valve and hoses are very very new, looks like someone serviced this recently. My photos suck, the valve is spotless and shiny. Minor surface rust inside the console.

Post# 721230 , Reply# 31   12/14/2013 at 18:45 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
timer

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There's a huge M on the timer, and the diagram lists both Mallory and Kingston, does that mean Mallory timer?
You're looking at 99% of the electric items right here. 3 position temp switch, no water level switch since it's time fill, one speed motor, etc. Wires going into the cabinet are for the lid switch and the motor, nothing else at all. No dispensers, I can't locate an out-of-balance switch, etc. Electrically simple.

To the left is the water fill flume, aerator. The hose clamp is shiny.


Post# 721233 , Reply# 32   12/14/2013 at 19:06 (3,757 days old) by washman (o)        
Ok I am mystified now

SQ has, since the 30's up to and including today, advertised their transmissions as having a 210 degree stroke. According to your post and vid by Danmantn, that is not the case.

So what the hell gives here?

Why am I being shorted a full 30 degrees of washing stroke?

Didn't anyone in engineering at SQ notice over the last 80 years or so that, hey, guess what fellas, we really don't have a 210 degree stroke here. More like 180!

I can understand, perhaps early on, due to lack of technology a batch or so going out a few strokes short of 210 but for 8 decades? Come on!

So maybe, just maybe, SQ needs to do a 180 and come clean (no pun intended) and then do a full 360 and bring back the Arc-u-Cuate with fluid drive and then I will be happy!

First thing tomorrow, I have a load to wash. I am putting black tape on there just to see for myself.

Come hell or high water, I will get to the bottom of this.

SQ has some fessing up to do.


Post# 721234 , Reply# 33   12/14/2013 at 19:11 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
cycling

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Anyone know the A37 era? I have a DA3510 manual from 1975, this seems almost exact.

REgualr cycle-----On hot and cold fill, large instead of "Extra Fill," it seems great, just a minor amount of overflow. Warm, with pressure from both lines, goes overboard. Turnover is great, I believe this is the very smallest tub SQ used in the 70's, it reminds me of my 1960 Whirlpool size.
Regular uses the WASH temp for the overflow at the end of agitation, is that ever fun as hell to watch! The pump is OLD style, I know it matches my SQ Wringer, but Holy Sh&T does it empty rapidly when the spin kicks in. Regular has no spin-spray, but always keeps overflow rinsing for aboutr one minute into the agi-rinse, then it simply agitates, then overflow kicks in again for about the last minute of agi-rinse. Yes, excess water usage but the result is CLEAN RINSED laundry.
Regular takes about 14 minutes of wash agitation, quite plenty, but you have to manually reset for less time. Tons to learn with this simple BOL solid tub and time-fill, lots of difference to perf and level switches for sure.



Picture----screen before the sediment tube? Should I toothbrush it clean?


Post# 721235 , Reply# 34   12/14/2013 at 19:15 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
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Pump and belts all SHINY CLEAN! Tiny water spots on the bottom of the tub, no sign of leaks at all. It was a basement installation in a 1956 house, the underside has routine surface rust

Post# 721236 , Reply# 35   12/14/2013 at 19:20 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
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KNITS/DURABLE PRESS CYCLE---about 22 minutes instead of 40, everything just quicker---AND-----
The wash overflow uses Rinse Temp instead of WASH temp, likely for perm press cool-down feature. Then as soon as spin starts, it does a minute spray, whereas NORMAL has no spray. Well, it pretty much goes down the the base of the agitator, not through the clothes, but then runs up the tub at the back of the laundry, WTF, it'll help cooldown. Overall, since it's just a one-speed, I think I'll mostly stick with regualr and often reset for less than 14 minutes.


Pic is the only rusty corner, it can wait a few weeks.



Post# 721237 , Reply# 36   12/14/2013 at 19:26 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
frame

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When I saw Parts Store Diagrams online of the cabinet, I was surprised that both front and back could be removed, wondered about cheap cabinet. Well, I was wrong for sure. Big brace across thefront, the top is screwed down instead of spring clips, because the lid is also the tub-top. She seems SOLID. The cabinet has more engineering than the simple timer and one switch. It's great that BOL still gives you a solid cabinet and such, you just lose options and speed control.

Post# 721238 , Reply# 37   12/14/2013 at 19:29 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Hey washman

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Keep me posted on your 210-180 investigation. Eyeball and unscientific tests tells me this machine does 183, maybe 183.02, lol. I also detect a tiny bit of indexing, very minor.

Post# 721244 , Reply# 38   12/14/2013 at 20:43 (3,757 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
video

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Here's my first ever YouTube video, showing barely more than 180 degrees. Black tape on the agitator helps your eyes. Video from a digital snapshot camera, not a video camera, sorry.

Having said all that, this machine does great turnover, is lots of fun, and great rinsing, NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL, happy to have it, a 70's Speed Queen solid Tub has been on my wish list over 3 years.


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Post# 721251 , Reply# 39   12/14/2013 at 21:38 (3,757 days old) by washman (o)        
Man does that arc-u-cuate

transmission sound like a boss moving the load around like that. But I agree, it looks like a 180 and I watched it a dozen times vainly trying to find that extra 30 degrees of stroke.

Post# 721274 , Reply# 40   12/15/2013 at 08:02 (3,756 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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if your tub is slightly indexing....Mark you may have to lift off the fluid drive and grease the bearing shaft.....

also for the overfill of the WARM temp, since your valve may have been replaced, yours may not have the restrictor which would control water flow equally....one can be added one way or another....or for a WARM wash, set the level selector to Medium load....not like your not there to monitor the first fill anyway....not to mention the whole cycle...lol.....


congrats and welcome to Solidtub washing and overflo rinsing......

thats close to a 700 rpm spin as well....


Post# 721318 , Reply# 41   12/15/2013 at 15:52 (3,756 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Hey Martin---

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Martin----It's the agitator that indexes, not the tub. I watch that black tape, it goes clockwise 183 deg, back only 182, slowly creeping around the tub, very slowly. no worries. But not 210.

I have great water pressure, it seems between Large and Medium is right for a full load that starts with only a small amount of overflow. That's gotta be the easiest way to learn and adjust to a solid tub/time fill. And while the timer feels exact and solid, like Norge or 1-18 instead of Maytag, there are no detents for Large-Med-Small fill. I'll learn, and yes, I watch it all anyhows.

Malcolm---Very kind of you to offer a chrome cap--check your email--Thanks

This is a DA3780, tons of parts places list it and have over 20 diagrams---my Ephemera download is a 1975 SQ Line, does NOT list this DA3780, shows various stainless tub and porcelain, time versus pressure fill, one and 2 speed, etc. And the catalog explains each step of a cycle. This model seems to have the best of both worlds cycle-wise. For the deep rinse, there's no choice of fill, the agitation starts at about 85% full, and water continues for another minute. So without any spray rinse on Normal cycle, you nevertheless get agi-overflow rinse in wash, and again at both the start and finish of the deep rinse. So far, a big load of towels in high-sudsing Gain came out clean rinsed in one cycle. Most other machines, I give towels a second rinse and fab soft then. Also, the extraction in this model is great, that helps heavy towels better than a Kenmore at 550 rpms.

Fabric softening----I've seen videos of SQ with an agitator moiunted FS dispenser, but I think it's a waste for this model. With the overflow start of rinse, lots owuld go right overboard quick. I add a bit duing rinse agi once the water has stopped, cuz I like the smell and feel for towels, Other than that, I think I will treat this as a non Fab Sof machine.

Sweztoy-----you mentioned this is a "pre-brake" model. I'm new to SQ, but shutting it off in spin brakes in under 10 seconds, something is doing that. It ain't like a Norge with the slow slow slow end of cycle spindown. In another week, I'll be getting inside this for some lube and paint and de-rust, and I'll take pics. With my limited--very--knowledge of SQ solid tubs, and not knowing the exact year, etc, all I know is it is time fill, one speed, BOL options and small tub but well built.
The entire 6 models in 1975 had the exact same 2 cycle timer, with differences only for time versus pressure fills.

John L---no bleached white loads yet, I'll let you know. But seeing everything else, and those thick towels come so clear and clean, I bet one normal cycle will do the trick.. If I add one dose of FS after the initial rinse overflow, my guess is all bleach stink will be gone and undies will be white and smell fresh. I am 45 years too old to use the word undies.

MickyD----suds saving---There's no way in hell I can Rube Goldberg up a way to return suds, but plugging the sink to suck them into a different washer is fine. This model is small, some overflow comes right at the start of agitation, and in Normal cycle it uses WASH TEMP for the wash overflow. Between the small tub and the overflow and the spinout, it fills my 21 gallon washtubs just like the Kenmore and the GE(my factory suds FF saves suds just until the spray starts, not the entire pumpout) . So the saved suds will end up diluted noticeably, but still hot as hell, I can just add more soap in the next machine. Yes, I have to switch the hose to the unplugged sink for the rest of the cycle, but I am used to that with various Mark-rigged sudsaver models, no problem. And to save some water in the water heater, I can choose to switch to cold after the wash fill. Then the wash overflow is cold, giving me warm suds for next load if I don't want all hot.


Enough for now---thanks for all your advice----Solid Tub washing is new and fun---


Post# 721324 , Reply# 42   12/15/2013 at 16:03 (3,756 days old) by washman (o)        
I'm excited for you also

I dig seeing old machines rescued and put to good use. I have a "twice loved" appliance store just down the street. Think I will nose around tomorrow and if a vintage SQ with the famous Arc-U-Cuate 210 transmission is begging for a home......................................:)

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Post# 721504 , Reply# 43   12/16/2013 at 18:23 (3,755 days old) by washman (o)        
Well I did the black tape thing

and sho' 'nuff, I agree it is slightly more than 180 degrees.

Now for the intrepid amongst us, who wants to count the strokes per minute to see if it really is 68 as advertised?


Post# 721618 , Reply# 44   12/17/2013 at 11:55 (3,754 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
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More loads washed, but this tub is actually a size smaller than my 1960 WP Imperial Mark XII. Sort of surprising for 1973 or so. And blue jeans are heavy and hard to turn over, they swash a decent amount of water out, so by the time the overflow starts, it's getting a low water level and far less turnover. Same thing with a single bed blanket. But towels, bedsheets, shirts, socks, dress pants, etc, are getting great turnover and great rinsing. There are warnings in a variety of literature that on medium or small, the overflow never really overflows, it just fills up. But how often does anyone do a 3 or 6 pound load? Double bed sheets set and 4 pillowcases and maybe half a dozen cotton boxers is a perfect full load.

Various research on this model DA3780 versus 1975 FA3510 and FA3690 strongly suggests this is literally the smallest tub SQ did in the 70's. With this as DA3780, would D just be a year earlier than 1975's F designation?

Properly loaded within its minor limitations, this is a great turnover and first rate rinsing washer, and also approx 650RPM extraction. At 38.5 gallons per load for 8-9 pounds, it's not exactly efficient, but neither is a Filter-Flo or Norge, but this one has clear and clean results.

The pump-----I know they carried this same pump over from their wringer machines, I was expecting slow pumping. But while it doesn't have as much water to drain as a FF or a large tub Maytag, holy sh$t is it's all out in 35 seconds, it blew the hose out of the sink!

I've bought various washers and driers and dishwashers at prices from $20 to $200, then requiring varying amounts of repairs. Sometimes one will piss me off, others are a great find. This one instead seems exactly worth the $150, it has been serviced routinely and recently, fully in working order with new valves and pump and all hoses, etc. simple "plug and play."

I am actually thinking I'll make that homemade Fels recipe liquid/gel soap that's on this website somewhere. As an overflow design machine from the soap era instead of detergent, I want to see some actual curds going over the top. The clothes will get washed next time in some other machine, I'm not worried about residue buildup, etc, it;ll just be fun for this machine until one batch of soap is gone.

AW Member Malcolm has kindly offered one decorative improvement, a chrome cap for the dull agitator. Once that arrives and I make a Fels soap batch, I'll get a vidoe posted.

The console screams BOL and laundromat, doesn't it?


Post# 721627 , Reply# 45   12/17/2013 at 13:44 (3,754 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
saving wash water

If you have more than one washer, you don't have to drain the suds into a tub, you just put the drain hose, maybe with an extension so it will reach, into the machine you want to use next and let the wash water fill it.

I wonder if the transmission has a 210 degree arc which delivers the 180 arc to the agitator. Maybe that is what they are talking about.

Have fun with her.


Post# 721628 , Reply# 46   12/17/2013 at 13:51 (3,754 days old) by washman (o)        
congrats akronman

May your old school Speed Queen run forever and ever and that famous Acr-Q-Matic 210 keep on keeping on!

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Post# 721632 , Reply# 47   12/17/2013 at 14:18 (3,754 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        
Nice score

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These are not common. Beautiful.

Post# 729914 , Reply# 48   1/23/2014 at 15:45 (3,717 days old) by washman (o)        
How's the washer coming along akroman?

Got any more vids up of it in operation?

Post# 729922 , Reply# 49   1/23/2014 at 16:03 (3,717 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
A little late to the party here, but.............

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WOW Mark, CONGRATS!!!

 

I would love to find one of these earlier, standard capacity Speed Queens!

 

Very awesome!

 

Kevin


Post# 729944 , Reply# 50   1/23/2014 at 17:58 (3,717 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
hey

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any/all washing videos of mine are here---a few are the Speed Queen. On YouTube, I am alleghany100

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Post# 729960 , Reply# 51   1/23/2014 at 19:41 (3,717 days old) by washman (o)        
My god that made my day

Just listening to the famous Arc-Cuate transmission, proven in millions of installations, really made my day watching it carry the freight on washday!

Congrats!

May this machine give you many years of good clean laundry.


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Post# 730164 , Reply# 52   1/24/2014 at 13:52 (3,716 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
akronman...

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very cool videos.

that is a really clean looking speed queen. how high does the water get when it is "overflowing"?? i tried to see that part in your video but i didn't catch that. i was curious to see it overflowing to see how that worked exactly. do you actually see the water overflowing?

and i love the control panel on your turquoise soft heat dryer. that is a kenmore, right? very cool looking!!!

and your speed queen solid tub looks great with it's new chrome agitator cap!!!

thanks for sharing the pics
:o)


Post# 730263 , Reply# 53   1/24/2014 at 19:35 (3,716 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Overflow

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the overflowing is at the unseen outer edges of the tub, out benenath the top of the machine. The water level rises to about 1/2inch below the clothes guard, then you can see the overflow coming out the drain hose. I will try another vidoe soon, I'm better at laundry than at filming.

Post# 953296 , Reply# 54   8/17/2017 at 20:23 (2,415 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
amazing

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wow does tightening the belts 4 years later improve everything this machine did poorly in the last 6 months! Damn that was an easy fix!
Part of me still wishes it was the famous stainless steel, larger tub, and 2 speeds would be nice, but this 1973 or 4 BOL scrubs, cleans, and rinses in great solid tub fashion.


Post# 953446 , Reply# 55   8/18/2017 at 15:53 (2,414 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Mark, you have a beautiful machine. I can't imagine life without one of the old SQ's. IMO they do a great job and I haven't found a thing I can't wash in one other than a very bulky item such as a comforter or sleeping bag and I would not subject a standard size machine to that abuse,anyway.

Mine is an MA62B. It has a beautiful speckled porcelain tub that I like much better than the cold steel type. It was originally a Three-Speed machine,however the original motor was long ago replaced by a Single-Speed motor. Makes no difference to me. I rarely use a Delicate Cycle on any machine and most of my old troupers have Two-Speeds, anyway.

Getting the belts tensioned properly is critical for my machine. Too loose and performance is lame, too tight and it overheats.
The pump seems to be the only thing that ever gives any trouble,so far. It locked-up early this summer and I had to open it up, clean it out and replace the lubricant. Wrestling it in and out within the confines of the brackets and braces proved to be much more of a hassle than working on the pump.

I love my old SQ. It has been a daily driver for me for over ten years now, along with a few others. I would seriously miss it if it was gone. It has quite the personality as machines go, complete with banging and slamming solenoids. It doesn't like cold weather and when the temperature in my basement drops below 70 degrees in the winter months, it refuses to fill during the Wash! The Rinse is no problem! I've learned to live with it and it just see's little use during the cold months, unless I stand there and fill it in the Rinse and then re-start it in the Wash. A quirky timer, I suppose.

I also have an end-of-the-run solid-tub machine. The SS tub is very large and the agitator is over-sized to match. It is a reversing-motor type. I don't use it much as due to Government interference, it doesn't allow enough time for the tub to completely fill in the Rinse and I have very high water pressure! I removed the flow restrictors and even tried a generic valve system to no avail. It probably helped save a few gallons of water and helped SQ with the ratings. It also pretty much made a decent overflow rinse impossible. If I were electronically gifted I would add an increment of fill time to the Rinse.

Oh well, water conservation and old machines are in opposite corners anyway. Water in my area is still pretty cheap, so I am able to use my old machines.
I hope you really enjoy yours!
Best wishes!




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Post# 953459 , Reply# 56   8/18/2017 at 18:51 (2,414 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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great machines, definitely one of my all time favorites, actually I have three......the standard is not the biggest capacity, but your not filling an outter tub either....

rare is finding an ExLarge capacity machine, I have only come across one a long time ago.....

it does make you wonder when larger capacities came out, most didn't increase, as in this case, fill times, or even wash times for the extra clothing in there


Post# 953553 , Reply# 57   8/19/2017 at 11:27 (2,413 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
notice the colors

in the 80's speed queen magazine add.

We got another late gift yesterday too, or an early Rashashana gift?
Shana Tova!

Peace to all and Tiamo.



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