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Post# 731537   1/29/2014 at 14:02 (2,218 days old) by carlvs (Central IL)        

This was quite the kitchen in its day. Love the cooktops in the stainless counter.


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Post# 731544 , Reply# 1   1/29/2014 at 14:27 (2,218 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
The one on the left!

Is a microwave!!

Post# 731549 , Reply# 2   1/29/2014 at 14:34 (2,218 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Very....

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....Very, very high-end in its day. The presence of a Tappan built-in microwave has already been noted. The stainless counter and custom vent hood weren't cheap, and neither were the birch cabinets. Note that both ovens have their own vent hoods, as well.

The kicker is the set of cooktop controls and automatic appliance outlets in the middle of the mammoth stainless backsplash. Look at how the backsplash not only covers the wall behind the cooktop counter, but wraps around the sidewalls of the oven cabinets - somebody liked a clean kitchen!

Somebody spent some serious, serious money on all this back in the day.

For the Archives, here's a shot of the Tappan microwave:


Post# 731555 , Reply# 3   1/29/2014 at 14:46 (2,218 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Tappan Microwave

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I've had my eye out for one of these for a long time. A bit of a haul, but we'll see. I've contacted the seller- cross your fingers! -Cory

Post# 731556 , Reply# 4   1/29/2014 at 14:48 (2,218 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Wow, that's a steal. Where would I put it though.. Hope someone close by can grab it

Post# 731560 , Reply# 5   1/29/2014 at 15:08 (2,218 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Is he also selling the countertop etc?

Post# 731561 , Reply# 6   1/29/2014 at 15:09 (2,218 days old) by carlvs (Central IL)        
The microwave...

I thought that was a microwave but didn't trust my eyes. Are those GE cooktops? The controls look different.

Post# 731564 , Reply# 7   1/29/2014 at 15:15 (2,218 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Bloomfield Hills, one of, it not the ritziest hoods in Michigan and one of the top 5 in the US.

Post# 731570 , Reply# 8   1/29/2014 at 15:23 (2,218 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Cool - another Tappan microwave shows up!

 

That is indeed a beautiful cooking center and certainly not inexpensive in it's day.  I wonder if they ever regretted having the element units so far apart?  I would.


Post# 731572 , Reply# 9   1/29/2014 at 15:28 (2,218 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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That's a good point Greg, cooking on multiple burners would be like running a relay race!

I'll let the group know what I hear about the other kitchen details- I have no use for the mega cooktop or the even more interesting full length vent hood.

Ironically, I picked up a copy of Electronics Technician magazine from 1959 last week on ebay specifically because the cover article was about microwave cooking. Reading through it this week, these 'electronic ovens' are not for the faint of heart. We're talking lethal voltage and current, multiple motors and blowers, and vacuum tubes. Sometimes even cooling pumps to cool the magnetron(s). And of course 220V service. -Cory


Post# 731581 , Reply# 10   1/29/2014 at 15:47 (2,218 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Cooktops!

Are Hotpoint I think, NICE!! If I had that kitchen I would guard it with a shotgun!!

Post# 731583 , Reply# 11   1/29/2014 at 15:50 (2,218 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Hans - I think you're correct. I recently was given a similar Hotpoint cooktop set-up like these. There is a little colored dot in the center of each burner the correlates to a colored dot on the push button assembly.

Ben


Post# 731586 , Reply# 12   1/29/2014 at 15:57 (2,218 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Yes..

And some of them have lighted pushbuttons, I think Hotpoint called this stuff Customline.

Post# 731596 , Reply# 13   1/29/2014 at 16:56 (2,218 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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They sure do!

Post# 731607 , Reply# 14   1/29/2014 at 17:53 (2,218 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        
And....

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The magazine I was just reading ; )

Post# 731623 , Reply# 15   1/29/2014 at 19:05 (2,218 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

That is very nice, and set someone back big bucks.

Those cabinets remind me of the ones in my high school art and home-ec rooms. Even the hardware is the same. If I remember right, they were Wood-Mode.


Post# 731662 , Reply# 16   1/29/2014 at 21:57 (2,218 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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too bad the original dishwasher isn't around (or shown)

Post# 731697 , Reply# 17   1/30/2014 at 03:33 (2,218 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Very cool kitchen-the cooktops look like it would be easy for two cooks to work in this kitchen-again---if everything works here----WHY REPLACE IT????Keep using this fine equipment and enjoy!!!Better than the trash that would replce these fine machines.Guess there would be concerns about the old microwave-is the magnetron worn out-how are the door seals?If its still healthy-USE IT!!!

Post# 731717 , Reply# 18   1/30/2014 at 06:11 (2,218 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I think it would be wonderful,

You could set a electric frypan, griddle or deep fryer between the surface units, and still be under the hood, and cleanup would be easy with all that stainless.....That lighted pushbutton Hotpoint cooktop is to die for!!!

Post# 731727 , Reply# 19   1/30/2014 at 06:49 (2,218 days old) by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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It is a shame that someone would rip those beautiful cabinets and those appliances for the cheap crap they have now days.


Post# 731730 , Reply# 20   1/30/2014 at 07:13 (2,218 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
TWO Two Burner Cook-Tops:

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Hmmmmm...I wouldn't have thought of that countertop burner arrangement; that is a sort of neat idea, w/ an oven on each side!


-- Dave


Post# 731732 , Reply# 21   1/30/2014 at 07:30 (2,218 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Cool Kitchen Setup

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Hope you can save this Cory, I already have a 1958 and 1962 Westinghouse microwave oven that was built by Tappan, so I don't need any more, LOL.

It is interesting that the two WH MWs look almost identical on the outside but are very different inside. The 58 has four rectifier tubes, and air-cooled permanent magnet magnetron to provide the MW energy.

The 62 has a water cooled electric magnet magnetron, water-cooled power transformer, and it uses a selenium rectifier. On the 62 the water cooling system has a small water pump driven off the back of the right cooling fan motor that circulates water through a small radiator, the system uses a water-antifreeze solution just like a car.

I find it is interesting that the older unit used an air-cooled permanent magnet magnetron which all microwave ovens use today.


It is a shame that the owners will likely pull out this cool kitchen. If it were to be my primary kitchen I would keep the cabinets, counter tops and ventilation systems in tact. I would replace the oven on the right with a 24" double KA SS TOL oven. On the left I would install two stacked SS MWOs with at least one being Micro-Convection. In the center of the counter-top I would install a GE Monogram chrome induction cook-top, these changes would update this kitchen for serious cooking for at least the next 30 years without destroying the overall look, I would love to see the rest of the house.

John L.


Post# 731738 , Reply# 22   1/30/2014 at 08:01 (2,217 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Daddy Warbuck$. The HVAC is even perfectly centered.  Kitchen alone cost a fortune! 


Post# 731753 , Reply# 23   1/30/2014 at 10:43 (2,217 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Well, it's a 1958 house - would like to see the rest of the home. What do the new owners have in mind for a mid-century home? Whatever their goal, it would be nice to see something that retains a mid-century look, but then you're back to maintaining vintage. Both friends and family live in B. Hills - I/we have circled by many of the homes accessible by car, and there are some outstanding examples of mid-century ranches, including F.L. Wright originals...and acreage is common. I sense that this might be one of the acreage situated 1958 homes. This kitchen looks good, after decades. Well-kept looking...would agree with Combo52, on retaining the rest and updating the appliances. Great appliances - looks like a museum setting at Henry Ford Museum where mid-century cars and home style is displayed.





Post# 731874 , Reply# 24   1/30/2014 at 19:51 (2,217 days old) by maytag63 (South Berwick, Maine)        
Very expensive

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What cost $1200 in 1955 would cost $10148.20 in 2012.

Found this website about that microwave.
stuckattheairport.com/2011/03/26/...

It's about a 1/3 down from the top of the that website.


Post# 731916 , Reply# 25   1/31/2014 at 00:32 (2,217 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Updating..

Thats a CUSS word to me, I have no use for anything new!!LOL, I might put in 50s Hotpoint wall ovens to match the cooktop, but I dont own a microwave now, nor do I need covection ovens, self cleaning or induction.LOL!

Post# 731962 , Reply# 26   1/31/2014 at 06:05 (2,217 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
You Can Rest Easy, Hans!

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If you're trying to avoid "new," Hans, then you're eligible for all of the technologies you just mentioned.

Microwave ovens have been around for home use since the first half of the '50s. Self-cleaning debuted in Fall of '63. Convection ovens and induction have been around for home use since the '70s.

So - enjoy! :) I love my 1972 GE self-cleaner - vintage quality, incredible cooking and baking abilities, as easy to care for as a new range.


Post# 731966 , Reply# 27   1/31/2014 at 07:05 (2,217 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
But my NORGE////

Is a 55, I have one aggravating piece of newness, a two year old Hotpoint Frost Bite refrigerator, ,at least thats what it should be called, because everything gets freezer burn from thawing and freezing!!LOL, absolutely worthless, and when I find a good Norge to take its place...out it goes!..Seriously,I quit buying microwaves because the only ones i like, the old Amanas wont fit under my cabinets, and all I ever used one for was to melt butter or warm something up, I have had three microwaves in the last 10 years, all quit working with very little use, as for self cleaning, it would be ok, if I could find an old one, but like Sensi Temp units, I never have got a hold of one that works, so, I guess I will stick to the Norge, I can trust both ovens, they are dead on and so well insulated you can roast a turkey all day and still lay your hand anywhere on the stove and not get burned.As for a GE, I WOULD like to have a old Americana with the pushbuttons up the side.

Post# 731967 , Reply# 28   1/31/2014 at 07:06 (2,217 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Trivia,,,

Guess who introduced the convection oven....believe it or not, MONARCH did!

Post# 732030 , Reply# 29   1/31/2014 at 12:58 (2,216 days old) by Westie2 ()        

I remember seeing my first big Microwave on tv in 1956 or 57 on Price is Right with Bill Cullen
The showed it and a lady put a cherry pie into it and 3 minutes later A Cooked
cherry pie. I was in AWE told my parents we need one. My dad said what you think I grow money trees!! Got our first MW in mid 70's.


Post# 732062 , Reply# 30   1/31/2014 at 15:56 (2,216 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
One of..

My Mothers cousins had the first one I ever saw, a late 60s or early seventies Amana , and she still has it!!!

Post# 732213 , Reply# 31   2/1/2014 at 09:58 (2,215 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hans, I remember seeing ads in the early 60s for Monarch's convection oven. It actually had a fan in the center of the oven floor.

Post# 732348 , Reply# 32   2/1/2014 at 18:55 (2,215 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
YEP!

Monarch Jet Fan.

Post# 732833 , Reply# 33   2/4/2014 at 14:15 (2,212 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Unbelievable.....

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Well, I have been communicating with the seller and had a date lined up a couple weeks from now (it would be a weekend trip due to the distance involved). Sadly, I have no reason to doubt that what the seller says is the truth.... Me thinks the contractors saw a great chance to make a buck on their scrap value as well. Unreal.


"I am so sorry I have bad news, my contractors guys threw out the ovens. They thought it was part of the demo and did not know that I had sold them. So sorry."


Post# 732859 , Reply# 34   2/4/2014 at 16:48 (2,212 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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(choking, calling 911 now) HOLYmother of eternity, for ChristopherColumbus sake - I cannot believe they did that!


Cory, I was thinking about you and that oven - and didn't expect this incredible news.



Post# 732868 , Reply# 35   2/4/2014 at 17:44 (2,212 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
I Beg to Differ:

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"They thought...."

Oh, no they didn't either.


Post# 732879 , Reply# 36   2/4/2014 at 18:29 (2,212 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
That shows!

Pure unadulterated IGNORANCE...the world is full of it!

Post# 732977 , Reply# 37   2/5/2014 at 03:19 (2,212 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Why didn't the IDIOTS SUPERVISE the contractor??The world is so full of DUMBNESS!!!!!Hope the buyers money is refuned that was paid to the machines.Those folks are too stupid to even HAVE nice things!!

Post# 733006 , Reply# 38   2/5/2014 at 08:39 (2,211 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Hmmmmm...I knew I should have made the effort to get the address of this & rush over there to or from work... (I work in nearby Commerce Twp.)

Sorry I didn't inquire, but I had no idea something re-f#$%*in'-diculous like this could happen!!!!


-- Dave


Post# 733011 , Reply# 39   2/5/2014 at 09:02 (2,211 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
We Did One Thing Right!

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I'd like to point out that some good came of this debacle:

We now have pictures in the Archives. These are rare units, and photos will help someone identify similar ovens in the future.

The more photos, the more useful AW is. Anyone who adds a photo for the Archives is doing their good deed for the day. Even if something is BOL, or not rare, the photo you post can be the one that gives somebody information they can't find any other way.


Post# 733087 , Reply# 40   2/5/2014 at 14:37 (2,211 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
RE Debacle...

Young men.....STRAIGHT men...power tools = Disaster!

Post# 733103 , Reply# 41   2/5/2014 at 15:27 (2,211 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Hans:

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"Young men.....STRAIGHT men...power tools = Disaster!"

Hans, I think you're having a Jill Taylor moment!Wink


Post# 733157 , Reply# 42   2/5/2014 at 18:35 (2,211 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
LOL??

Who is Jill Taylor???LOL

Post# 733172 , Reply# 43   2/5/2014 at 19:11 (2,211 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Jill Taylor Was....

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....The long-suffering wife of "Tim the Tool Man" Taylor on Home Improvement. After a few years around Tim, the only power tool Jill trusted was the one in her nightstand drawer.



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Post# 733200 , Reply# 44   2/5/2014 at 20:14 (2,211 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Ahhhhh

I think I may have seen it once or twice LOL, Such as this does really get to me, I wouldnt want the ovens, but those Hotpoint cooktops are to die for, but I can appreciate the fact that the ovens, especially the microwave are extremely rare, I think some people love to get rid of anything old, a good example is todays heating and ac technicians, if they go to service a furnace, and its more than 15 years old they do their damnedest to talk the owner into a more efficient one....never mind the thin cheap furnace you install now wont last 15 years!!!When I worked for a HVAC company in my younger days, I serviced many oil furnaces installed in the 40s and 50s that were still going strong, we did efficiency checks on some of them and most of the time came up with 80 percent or there abouts, and they were made of metal!!

Post# 733319 , Reply# 45   2/6/2014 at 08:27 (2,210 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
"Saved a few, lost a few!" -- Your Dr.

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The intersection of this residence that these are for sale at looks familiar... Again, it's still too bad no one could save any of these nice appliances from such an un-godly fate...!


-- Dave


Post# 733322 , Reply# 46   2/6/2014 at 08:54 (2,210 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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While the ad is still available, I figured it would be good to archive the remaining three pictures. 

 

Closer shot of the microwave, with a vent hood.


Post# 733324 , Reply# 47   2/6/2014 at 08:55 (2,210 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Oven.  Gotta love the individual hoods built for both the oven and the microwave. 


Post# 733325 , Reply# 48   2/6/2014 at 08:55 (2,210 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Oven, with lights!


Post# 733327 , Reply# 49   2/6/2014 at 09:08 (2,210 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
VERY Familiar!

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Come to think of it, my very in-laws live in that area--in Bloomfield Hills! So I was more closer to this venue than I thought... (Forgot...--or just haven't visited in a while!)

Nice stuff; my mother- & father-in laws had '80's stuff replaced w/ "passable" current stuff, so I don't feel so bad...


-- Dave


Post# 733407 , Reply# 50   2/6/2014 at 18:43 (2,210 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Closer up views

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Some closer shots for over-archival effect.

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Post# 733409 , Reply# 51   2/6/2014 at 18:46 (2,210 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
1950s Tappan Wall Oven and Microwave - Kitchen view

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Closer shot of kitchen

Post# 733434 , Reply# 52   2/6/2014 at 20:39 (2,210 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Grrr

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Well, at least we have pics. Makes one wonder what else is still out there to be found. -C

Post# 733481 , Reply# 53   2/7/2014 at 07:33 (2,210 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
So Sorry To Hear These Ovens Probably Got Scraped

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When I find something that I really want and it is out of state I have found that you have to throw some real money at it to get the buyers cooperation: If the price for these ovens had been ß500 or more the owner would have been sure not to let them get away: I love getting a bargain as much as the next guy, but unless you are standing there with a truck and cash these bargains tend to get away,

Sorry to here this Cory, John


Post# 733526 , Reply# 54   2/7/2014 at 13:36 (2,209 days old) by whirlaway ()        
Did You Talk to the contractors

Who knows,they may have kept them! Would not hurt,to see,who knows they maybe in a dumpster in the driveway.Goog Luck!

Post# 733590 , Reply# 55   2/7/2014 at 19:57 (2,209 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Bob, yeah, I inquired and she was going to investigate but I doubt anything will come of it. It's pretty clear the contractors are doing all the labor. Both ovens had been moved to the garage before sale and were hauled off with the rest of the demo materials during the day while the owners were away.

John, you make a good point about money doing the talking. Given the house, I'm surprised the seller even bothered posting these! - Cory


Post# 733619 , Reply# 56   2/8/2014 at 00:37 (2,209 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

NEVER have contractors working at your place unattened!!!NEVER!!!They should ALWAYS be supervised-take the days off from work!

Post# 733637 , Reply# 57   2/8/2014 at 05:54 (2,209 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
A good example...

My good friend Jerry Gay, "Easyspindry" on here ,said when he remodeled his kitchen in the early 70s, he came home to find all the new cabinets over the range were installed, this was fine, until he noticed they had not put the ductwork in for the range hood, their excuse, "Well, you can use a ventless hood", Jerry is not one to suffer fools! he made them tear it all back out and do it right!

Post# 734467 , Reply# 58   2/11/2014 at 10:48 (2,205 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Tappan

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Hay guys I had contacted the seller of thes ovens and cook tops and they are safe at my home. The microwave will be nice in my kitchen. If some one would like the cook tops let me know.

Anthony


Post# 734515 , Reply# 59   2/11/2014 at 15:20 (2,205 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Post# 734616 , Reply# 60   2/11/2014 at 21:40 (2,205 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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verrrrrrrrry interestingk, but .....stupid?

Post# 734685 , Reply# 61   2/12/2014 at 07:44 (2,205 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        
At least it's not on a scrap metal ship to China.

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Anthony, please be careful when working on that microwave. I can think of about 6 ways it will try to kill a person. Even if it was "working when removed" that power supply section should be rebuilt before putting back into service. Leakage checked around the door and cutout switches cleaned and adjusted. The caps should be reformed and insulation tested in the HV section. Unlike an old TV, there is no current limiting should you get on the HV.

Post# 734693 , Reply# 62   2/12/2014 at 08:43 (2,204 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
At least it's not on a scrap metal ship to China.

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Yes I'm am cerantly rebuilding the power sappy and recap. Two of the 866A reflector tubes are bad. And the switches have been replaced at some point of time by a hack! Along with the timers it made me shake my head. It has a build date of March 7 1957.

Post# 734828 , Reply# 63   2/12/2014 at 19:21 (2,204 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
some before/after or both photos during restoration...

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Anthony - at the least, post some pics of what you've done either during, after or both processes of restoration.

If not, maybe you could post some pics after it's completed and then installed. I'm not a licensed electrician, but would be interested in seeing what's inside before and after.

Otherwise, maybe a shot of it installed in your kitchen?

good luck

Phil


Post# 734872 , Reply# 64   2/12/2014 at 22:15 (2,204 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
before/after or both photos

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Will do Phil! It is apart and half cleaned now. 0400 comes up quick! I will post some pics tomorrow.

Anthony


Post# 734892 , Reply# 65   2/13/2014 at 00:40 (2,204 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

866 rectifier tubes-mercury vapor at that--never thought those would be used in a microwave oven-but makes sense-the earliest ones made before solid state rectifiers became common.The 866 tubes are still available for a price-ham radio suppliers comes to mind-and suppliers of industrial/transmitting tubes.Remember the 866 tubes in the bias supplies-3 phase at that in older RCA TV transmitters.They are also used in the RCA low level stages.and there are solid state plug in replacements if you don't want to pay the price for actual "tubes".

Post# 734904 , Reply# 66   2/13/2014 at 04:21 (2,204 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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I have tubes on the way and would like to keep the tubes seeing as I have several tube amps/radios a have built. When I was young my grandpa and I would work on his ham radio and other stuff. He was a radio repairman on a ship in ww2. After he got back he set up almost all of the radio equipment in the towers for the DNR here in northern MI.

Post# 734914 , Reply# 67   2/13/2014 at 06:13 (2,204 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

GREAT!!Glad you were able to get the 866's.You can preserve the "charactor" of your oven.LOVE the glow of the MV rectifiers!!You can TELL that they are working!!

Post# 734934 , Reply# 68   2/13/2014 at 09:25 (2,203 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
1958 Tappan Electronic Oven

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Cool oven Anthony, I have a 1958 Westinghouse oven that is built by Tappan and other than a few small styling details should be exactly the same oven. The one I have I have not tried to power up yet and will not do so until I check it over pretty carefully, I will be very interested to hear how yours checks out. Pictures are always great also, if you did through the archives you can probably find pictures of the two I have, both are WH, the other is a 1962 model that is very different in construction, but looks about the same on the outside.

John L.


Post# 734980 , Reply# 69   2/13/2014 at 13:23 (2,203 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Pics

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Can we say blown out tube.

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Post# 735000 , Reply# 77   2/13/2014 at 15:23 (2,203 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Anthony, Excellent photos! Great to see the power supply and the magnetron of this old unit.

Looks like one of your 866 rectifier tubes is a bit low on Mercury... You can still find them though, some of the old boat-anchor radio folks have horded them. In today's world I'd be tempted to to replace them with silicon rectifiers. They don't have the nostalgia of the tubes but if you plan to use the oven maybe it would be for the best.

Do you have a schematic of the microwave and power supply?

As always be wary of this monster, there are some scary/lethal voltages in there!



Post# 735003 , Reply# 78   2/13/2014 at 15:32 (2,203 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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Post# 735005 , Reply# 79   2/13/2014 at 15:38 (2,203 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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I have looked the power sappily over and can find no fault but the tubes.

Post# 735012 , Reply# 80   2/13/2014 at 16:26 (2,203 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
1958 Tappan Electronic Oven

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Very cool it looks exactly like the one we have and the interior looks to be in great shape.

I am guessing that these early Tappan MWs put out around 1000 watts of cooking power from reading some of the recipes that come with the oven. If this is true these ovens probably use 3 to 4 times as much power as new MW ovens, but it is still fun to have one of the first home MWs made.

Hope you can post a video of you cooking something in it.


Post# 735013 , Reply# 81   2/13/2014 at 16:28 (2,203 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Good photos, thanks Anthony! The tubes were "kaput" a long time ago, I bet - I wonder how long that unit sat, un-repaired? The cost to repair would be downpayment on a car, lol!

Keep breathing. We need to see the rest of the project, when done.


Post# 735014 , Reply# 82   2/13/2014 at 16:31 (2,203 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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Once the tubes get here It will be complete.

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Post# 735114 , Reply# 85   2/14/2014 at 00:54 (2,203 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Bridge rectifier no less-COOL!!Ovens made today have voltage doubler supplies.Stick with the orig tube type if you can-the mercury tubes preserve the charactor of this machine.You may want to replace the selenium diodes,though-age causes these to go bad.The supply in that thing makes me think of the power supplies in some older "Ham" radio linear RF power amps.Like the vacuum time delay relay in there-see those in some broadcast transmitters.

Post# 735135 , Reply# 86   2/14/2014 at 03:32 (2,203 days old) by robinsondm ()        
Wondering

Hey, am I the only one wondering why the seller told cadman the ovens were thrown out by contractors, when in reality they were sold to mopar65? Did the seller make up that story to reject an out-of-town buyer in favor of a local one?

 

Anyway, I'm glad the ovens weren't scrapped, and are being repaired.




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Post# 735140 , Reply# 87   2/14/2014 at 04:45 (2,203 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
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They were thrown out by contractors there was damage to them. But I think that's what they did. They we're pushing me out the door.

Post# 735162 , Reply# 88   2/14/2014 at 07:34 (2,203 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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If they were all copper, they'd be long gone - shame the contractors didn't know these are not your every day used ovens

Post# 735302 , Reply# 89   2/14/2014 at 21:54 (2,202 days old) by xpanam (Palm Springs California )        

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WOW!!!Anthony!!!! Glad you were able to save these, and thanks for the pictures. Always wondered about the technology of these new ovens. When you get her up and running, can you surprise us with a video of it running? I am curious about how it compares to todays microwaves, like how long dose it take to boil a cup of water? Thanks Anthony. And please be careful HIGH VOLTAGE LOL! Rob.

Post# 737040 , Reply# 90   2/22/2014 at 19:13 (2,194 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
It's alive!!!

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Works real good! I will post a video soon.

Post# 749062 , Reply# 91   4/10/2014 at 05:27 (2,148 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
It's alive

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Post# 749064 , Reply# 92   4/10/2014 at 05:42 (2,148 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Magnetron

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Iím working on finding a replacement magnetron for it or fixing it. I was told by an old ham radio and radar guy that old magnetrons will arc out after siting for a long time unused and one way to stop this from happening is to step the voltage up slow. I did this with no improvement. So itís back to what I originally was thinking bad RF seals. I think I may put modern guts in it and box up the original parts to preserve them in a working order.

Post# 749075 , Reply# 93   4/10/2014 at 07:14 (2,148 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Its Alive

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Great work Anthony, I think you are the first person I know that has gotten one this old working again, this may inspire me to get my 1962 water cooled Tappan built Westinghouse working.

While I too have considered putting in a modern magnetron I am going to try to fix the orignal system first, although I am going to install ours in the museum where it will only be used occasionally, the museum kitchen will have about 30 MW ovens hooked up and most are some variety of combination micro-thermal units.

I will stay on the lookout for parts for your unit.


Post# 749079 , Reply# 94   4/10/2014 at 07:31 (2,148 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
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Thank you for all your help! I hope you get the 62 working.

Post# 749080 , Reply# 95   4/10/2014 at 07:39 (2,148 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Success!

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Excellent!

Post# 749093 , Reply# 96   4/10/2014 at 08:43 (2,148 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)        

That is so awesome to see that early microwave running! What a great accomplishment and find!


Post# 759109 , Reply# 97   5/23/2014 at 14:25 (2,104 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Magnetron

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Started taking it apart today to find out why it was arcing in the cooling fins and here it is.

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Post# 759113 , Reply# 98   5/23/2014 at 14:28 (2,104 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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The bolts on the top plate had started to back out frying the RF seal. Any ideas on making a new one. It's brass.

Post# 759117 , Reply# 99   5/23/2014 at 14:31 (2,104 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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!!! whoah - and part replacement might be a long search or maybe a custom shop will make? Here's where 3D printing would be nice.

Post# 759131 , Reply# 100   5/23/2014 at 15:52 (2,104 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

That may be one of the coolest things I've ever seen! It would be fun to cook a big hunk o beef in. Would it be able to use modern popcorn bags? What happen if you start cook time before warm up? Is it just one power level? The other controls are for thermal cooking? What is the little drawer for?

Post# 759138 , Reply# 101   5/23/2014 at 16:58 (2,104 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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Ovrphil it's as thickness of cardboard paper. Cuffs054 it has high and a low seting.

Post# 759140 , Reply# 102   5/23/2014 at 17:18 (2,104 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Cardboard paper - laser 3D could do it? A one-off would be most likely unfriendly in cost.
Just thinking ...could you approach some cnc shop that would be able to cut and shape a duplicate? I worked around factories for automotive and saw plenty of tool and die...so, can't help asking why not, but ...maybe there's a part in a unit, somewhere out there, just waiting to be adopted. Hoping for you.


Post# 759143 , Reply# 103   5/23/2014 at 17:32 (2,104 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        

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I was thinking of taking brass wool and making a cookie cuter to cut the inside and outside.

Post# 759146 , Reply# 104   5/23/2014 at 17:43 (2,104 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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I don't know the requirements for that piece, but that sounds very creative! Thomas Edison would have as much or less to work with, creating a lighting filament. :-)


Post# 760160 , Reply# 105   5/29/2014 at 00:15 (2,099 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Anthony,

Could you provide more detail on the RF gasket? I'd like to see ID and OD as well as overall thickness. It appears to have been an embossed with a waffled pattern, if this is the case it would be good to know the material thickness before it was formed too.

A few more good closeup photos wouldn't hurt either. Photos of the mating surfaces of the tube and the waveguide could help too.

As both a Ham (RF guy) and machine shop manager, perhaps I might be able to help with this. I looked in the Parker Chromerics catalog and they sell expanded metal foil. It may be child's play to duplicate this part.

Phil


Post# 760555 , Reply# 106   5/31/2014 at 05:40 (2,097 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
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John gave me your phone number when would be a good time to call you?

Post# 761434 , Reply# 107   6/4/2014 at 11:32 (2,092 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Anthony,

Sorry for the delay, things are been pretty crazy for me for the past month or two. You can try to call whenever, evenings are probably best, leave your number if you hit my VM.

You could email me at plefever@murphymachine.com if you like also. Would love to see a few more photos of the gasket. Reasonably accurate ID and OD measurements as well as the base material thickness and the expanded thickness would be good to have, should do fine with a standard caliper. Also any hint as to what kind of metal its made from? I think all the Parker Chomerics expanded RF gasketing material is Monel (Google Porcupine Metalastic). Material probably doesn't really matter too much but it should be pretty conductive.

Photos of the two mating flanges may be helpful too. Are they pretty flat (at in machined?). Sheet metal or thicker? Good to know what kinds of gaps need to be filled.



Post# 767698 , Reply# 108   7/3/2014 at 15:49 (2,063 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
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So after contacting a few company's that make this kind of gasket all told me they would not do to me only needing one :( so I took an old magnetron gasket off a rader range starched it out and~ it now works like new! :) who is happy this guy!




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