I have a brand spanking new kuds thirty something I will trade even for a KdI or s 16 or 17 in almost any mechanical condition. has to have a good tub. And I seem to have learned the program switches are a little hard to come by. I Used to be a Hobart/KA tech, back when Hobart was making these products. Did it for about 8 years, so I do know them well. When the 18 came out, I was so disappointed. But compared to the newer units, even the 18's were good. So if you want a brand new, well 1 year old kuds in stainless, maybe we can work something out. There is nothing wrong with the one I have, I am just not "comfortable" with it. Ok maybe I have a problem. There was something about the sound of that drain valve opening that always did something for me. I serviced the hobart labware machines made of pure stainless and should have grabbed one of those when I had the chance. Ah well. I'l pick up or deliver a reasonable distance. Thank you.