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Post# 112479 , Reply# 2 2/27/2006 at 22:29 (6,626 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Well let's see, over the years of postings, I remember Tomturbomatic talking loading & runnning friends' Westinghouse Roll-out dishwasher with water temp boost; Tom's family got one of the first Whirlpools with the revolving spray arm design in about 1959 or 1960 that cleaned excellently. Whirlpools in general were very good cleaners in the 1960s. Our 1968 Waste King did very very well when I was able to put dirty dishes in the load when the mother wasn't looking; and our 1970 Rotorack, just like what Jetaction brought home, did an excellent job with scrambled egg and rice. Gansky & Jetcone have 1950-s KitchenAids that cleaned exceptionally well when loaded properly and had correct hot water supplied. The list goes on & on. Even my 1987 GE PotScrubber GSD1200 handles Bob loads without a care in thee world and pics here prove it. So now you see there have been various brands starting in the 1950s that did extremely well. Mind you, machines form the 1950s were designed to be run after every meal or every two meals. My GE can take off oatmeal cooked in the bowl after it's been sitting for up to a week (with Cascade Complete). And that brings up another point, detergents today perform MUCH BETTER than their elders of the 1950s & 1960s.
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| Post# 112532 , Reply# 4 2/28/2006 at 09:34 (6,625 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
"No prerinsing" has been a claim for literally over 40 years (see link). I've never prerinsed things that I've put into KitchenAids as old as 1966. Some friends have a GE Potscrubber from the very early 70's that does a marvelous job without prerinsing. It has a bypass microfilter in the back bottom of the tank. On the other hand, another friend had a late 90s rock bottom of the line GE-made Kenmore and my sister had a late 90s very BOL Whirlpool. Neither of these machines would clean a load that I had loaded. Kenmore friend always prerinsed and my demo of how she didn't need to ended in embarassment. (SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU!) My sister refused to give in to rinsing, so she often just ran hers twice. I currently have two mid-70s KitchenAids, a KDS-17A (last single washarm) and a KDS-18 (first double washarm). I put all sorts of nastiness into them and they seldom miss. They might leave a burned-on particle now and then. The KDS-18s 104 minute Soak n' Scrub cycle (nearly 40 minutes of alternately soaking and washing added to the front end of the normal cycle) is especially terrific (maybe even overkill) with today's enzyme detergents. And it's still faster than the normal cycle on most new machines. I think "no prerinse" machines have been around for many many years, but, especially in the past, often only at higher price points. CLICK HERE TO GO TO deeptub's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 112556 , Reply# 6 2/28/2006 at 14:56 (6,625 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
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Tom, I had noticed that the KD-16 manual suggests an enzyme product called Pan-Dandy for the soak cycle. I had wondered why such a thing had gone away. Leave it to humanity to universally shun enzymes because they were problematic in the laundry. I liked KitchenAid's water heating AFTER they learned from their mistakes on the 19 series. Heat the first wash to 140 degress quickly with the (completely submerged) dual element energized at 1600 watts (or 1500 or whatever it was) and the pump off, then get on with the show. My parents' Superba 21, with the temperature at the tap around 125, finishes its normal cycle at right around 75 minutes. Of course once Whirlpool took over, they quickly cheapened the Custom 21 and Imperial 21 with a low wattage water/drying heater up out of the sump and a protracted wash, saving what by then they called SureTemp Water Heating for the Superba line. That also let them use a cheap plastic drying fan duct as well. And speaking of cheapening--I'd like to know what a KitchenAid dishwasher actually costs to make these days. My sister got a new one a few months ago. I put one of her heavy cast-iron pots in the left front of the lower rack and watched the door twist as I did. That would NEVER happen on a 23-series and older model. Pity. T. | ||
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Post# 112614 , Reply# 9 2/28/2006 at 21:31 (6,625 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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Post# 112623 , Reply# 10 2/28/2006 at 22:05 (6,625 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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