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Thread Number: 52046
Turquoisedude V Inglis - Round 3 |
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Post# 744477 3/23/2014 at 14:02 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude  (.) |
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Post# 744479 , Reply# 1 3/23/2014 at 14:04 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 744480 , Reply# 2 3/23/2014 at 14:05 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 744481 , Reply# 3 3/23/2014 at 14:08 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 744484 , Reply# 4 3/23/2014 at 14:10 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 744485 , Reply# 5 3/23/2014 at 14:14 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Phil helped me with the removal of the bad transmission from the Inglis and helped me reinstall the 'new' WP donor one.
The reassembly went fine and yes, we used the Inglis support braces. The first test was encouraging - the washer actually agitated. But.... it wasn't spinning. The service documentation I have suggested lowering the transmission mounting bolts and retightening. It helped and we got the machine to spin... kinda... What we also noticed was this: That brake drum looks 'crooked' as it turns. What could be causing this and what could we do to remedy it? I'm sooooo close to getting this dang machine running again... | ||
| Post# 744487 , Reply# 6 3/23/2014 at 14:23 (3,680 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada) | ||
The "Sterling" in the background... | ||
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Post# 744489 , Reply# 7 3/23/2014 at 14:28 (3,680 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Hi Brad - actually the Inglis Sterling you see in the background is the machine that I've been working on for what seems like eternity... The photo was taken in my laundry room in Ogden! The Sterling washer also has a light-up control panel AND I have the matching dryer that I also need to do some work on (assuming I can get the **multiple expletives deleted** washer running again!).
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| Post# 744535 , Reply# 8 3/23/2014 at 16:31 (3,680 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 744540 , Reply# 9 3/23/2014 at 16:50 (3,679 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA) |
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Brake springs---
At the end of your video when the spinning stops, it looks like the brake springs are at an angle. I think the the upper and lower brake hub is off by 1 tooth on the spline. When you reassemble the brake you must be sure the set screw is fully seated in the spin tube hole, you can put your finger into the spin tube and feel the end of the screw come thru the hole. I also noticed the wires to the control solinoids are not installed correctly, they must come thru the hole in top of the bracket then connect to the solinoids. The way it is you will have broken wires soon.
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Post# 744588 , Reply# 10 3/23/2014 at 19:43 (3,679 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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poor Spinning BD WP | ||
| Post# 744668 , Reply# 11 3/23/2014 at 23:38 (3,679 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Jeff, we didn't touch the set screw on the spin tube hole. Just got the whole transmission out of a machine to install in this one. I think I saw the screw you're talking about (same kind of hex screw that holds a pulley on a motor shaft?). If i understand correctly, we just have to make sure it goes through a hole in the spin shaft?
The tub wasn't spinning at all before I loosened the 3 screws that hold it in place (as well as the brackets that were omitted by someone who previously repaired the machine).
If someone has a picture showing how the wires should go to the wigwag solenoids. That might help us! Maybe Paul knows exactly what you're talking about but I don't! I didn't disconnect or reconnect them so... I know they were passing through two round metal clips attached to the baseplate of the newer Whirlpool machine but I see just one on the Inglis. | ||
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Post# 744719 , Reply# 12 3/24/2014 at 06:58 (3,679 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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poor Spinning BD WP
The wig-wag wires go through a hole in the top bracket of the WW assembly directly above the shaft it is attached to, by having the wires centered better it allows them to flex as the WW moves to reduce the chance of wire breakage.
Now that machine spins somewhat with the transmission bolts slightly loosened go ahead and tighten the three 9/16" bolts and see if it works [ you do not have to tighten all the brace bolts for this test ] once these bolts are tight check to see if you have the 1/16" clearance between the top of the clutch pulley and the clutch pads with the clutch disengaged, if not adjust the nut on the clutch control shaft, [ this is the rod that the spin cam-bar slides through ]. If this does not work something else is broken or not assembled correctly and unfortunately you will have to take it apart again, or fly me to Canada, LOL Hope this helps John L. | ||
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Post# 744729 , Reply# 13 3/24/2014 at 07:23 (3,679 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 747857 , Reply# 14 4/5/2014 at 16:04 (3,667 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Breaking news....
and it's good news! It looks like the Inglis is, in fact, running again!!
I need to do some more tests, but I think I've done it! The Inglis seems to be running normally now with its 'new' transmission! Details, pictures, and hopefully video to follow. In the meantime, the following bulletin was apparently dispatched via local radio station... "Residents of the Tomifobia valley are reporting hearing loud hollers and a very badly sung parody of the hit show tune 'Everything's Coming Up Roses' echoing through the valley. The only resident along the shores of the Tomifobia river who can access his property for the winter, Yvon Roy, said 'It's probably that damn guy with all the washers working on something'. Louise Bigras, another nearby resident has been quoted as saying, 'Well, if was him, at least he didn't knock the power out THIS time'. More details as this story develops." | ||
| Post# 747887 , Reply# 15 4/5/2014 at 18:18 (3,666 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 748063 , Reply# 16 4/6/2014 at 10:52 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Yes - I noticed last week that the spring in the middle of this photo was installed below the yoke plate... Boy did I kick myself for that!
Phil, I got lucky and I didn't need to completely remove the transmission as I had thought. I loosened the bolts, removed the support braces, and 'dropped' it just enough to get my shaky, clumsy hands in there. To be fair, Hubby actually helped me with this by holding the spring down while I slipped the pin at the top of the shaft back into place. And to think, he threatened that this machine would be sent to washer heaven if I couldn't get it fixed this time! I may make a washer fan out of him yet... LOL 
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Post# 748064 , Reply# 17 4/6/2014 at 10:55 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 748067 , Reply# 18 4/6/2014 at 10:59 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 748068 , Reply# 19 4/6/2014 at 11:01 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 748071 , Reply# 20 4/6/2014 at 11:06 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Still a few things left to do, though... I need to decide real fast if I am going to re-install the suds-saver valve (I'll need to do some creative plumbing!). The cabinet is pretty grungy from all the handling it got and I intend to repaint it this spring or summer. It seems odd, but just the cabinet and controls are the only original Inglis parts left on this washer now!
And, oh yeah, I still have to get the matched Sterling dryer back up and running again. It just needs a new motor, so hopefully that won't drag on for months like this washer did!! I'll be trying a load of wash in this 'Whirl-glis Ken-pool' hybrid later today with any luck. 
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Post# 748073 , Reply# 21 4/6/2014 at 11:19 (3,666 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Paul -
I just had a hearty laugh out loud when reading your "Whirl-glis-Ken-Pool" wording, thanks, I love it!!! Your story about this machine rings so true to me, as I had a few of the same sort of history, where they were assembled and dis-assembled so many times I was afraid the threading would wear out on the gearcase bolts. But that's how you learn!! Now you get the fun part of cleaning off your accumulation of greasy finger prints and let the machine sing and do its dance for you! Good luck with the "maiden" wash! Gordon | ||
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Post# 748126 , Reply# 23 4/6/2014 at 15:41 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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I sent Hubby and Canyon out to play in the yard so I could get the Inglis into position for a wash test in the laundry room. The '51 Kenmore graciously moved out of the way for the Inglis, but that will only be temporary.
A quick clean up of the cabinet made me think it wasn't in such bad shape after all. It certainly looks at home in the 'slot' it first occupied when I got the washer in 2008! Thanks for the words of encouragement Gordon! I began to wonder if this washer would ever run again... Rick - yes, that is a tub light! I had never seen an Inglis with one until this. I do hope to replace the clear bulb with a real germicidal lamp at some point! There was a brief power hit this afternoon and I got three calls from neighbours asking "What the hell did you just plug in"... EESH!! 
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Post# 748127 , Reply# 24 4/6/2014 at 15:43 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 748129 , Reply# 25 4/6/2014 at 15:47 (3,666 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Yep... here's the 'But...'
Towards the end of the final spin, I heard this squeaking or squealing sound. My first thought was the belt, but I also wondered if perhaps the basket drive was slipping or misaligned... Any thoughts?? This will have to wait until next week, but I am so determined to get this machine going now that I did not move the 51 Kenmore back into place!! We'll see what happens next week, I guess... | ||
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Post# 748456 , Reply# 26 4/7/2014 at 13:22 (3,665 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 748533 , Reply# 27 4/7/2014 at 18:01 (3,664 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Paul -
In the squeaking sound video, is the machine running in delicate? I have heard similar sounds a couple times, I hope I'm wrong but it sounds like dry bearings. What happened to me a few times a while back, several installs and take-aparts allowed turbine oil in the bearings to drip out, leaving them dry, or almost so. I have noticed this too in a couple machines that have been sitting long term. The turbine oil slowly but surely over time made it past the seals, leaving the bearings dry and the basket brake pad all wet. A quick way to find out if this is happening or not is to remove the agitator after a full spin - if the basket lock nut is uncomfortably hot, the upper bearing needs more oil. There will be some warmth there of course with tight bearings, but if you'd burn your palm, its too hot. If you remove the basket you can check the lower centerpost area as well. Same deal with that one. Unless you are sure there was lots of turbine oil in there, I'd direct my attention in that direction. I hope there is another answer, as otherwise you'll have to remove the transmission and spin tube yet AGAIN.... Gordon | ||
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Post# 748582 , Reply# 28 4/7/2014 at 20:56 (3,664 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 748590 , Reply# 29 4/7/2014 at 21:33 (3,664 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Paul - as I was at the gym earier it dawned on me that I should have asked if this noise stops when you interrupt the spin?? The only part moving during spin that doesn't also rotate during neutral drain is the spin tube.
Should be a highly simple test if you haven't already bypassed the lid switch. Gordon | ||
| Post# 748641 , Reply# 30 4/8/2014 at 04:41 (3,664 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 748643 , Reply# 31 4/8/2014 at 05:49 (3,664 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Gordon, when that noise started, I shot the video and shut the washer off.
If the noise stops when the spin is interrupted, would that also point to a lack of oil somewhere? I'm spending the week down in Ogden next week - wish it had been this week... Darren, that waterfall filter does look good when the dang machine is running doesn't it? | ||
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Post# 749742 , Reply# 32 4/13/2014 at 13:59 (3,659 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Try, try again...
Yes, I am a sucker for punishment... On Friday evening when we got back down to Ogden, the first thing I did was fire up the Inglis to see if the spin shaft was getting warm. I set the dial to spin and... nothing happened. The motor started fine but the tub was not moving. I tried going into agitate mode. Nothing happened then either. Yet, the tub turned smoothly and I could not detect any binding or dragging. I called it quits at that point, especially since both Hubby and Canyon were whining for their supper.
Now today, I came up with a real brainwave: why not put the Inglis near a WORKING WP belt-drive machine and compare components. And, why, I just happened to have the 56 Whirlpool Imperial (this was the one rebuilt the right way by John!) accessible, so I did a side-by-side check. 
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Post# 749744 , Reply# 33 4/13/2014 at 14:03 (3,659 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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I popped the back panels off each machine and did a careful visual inspection of each. Why I had not thought of this earlier escapes me....
The panels off and room to poke around revealed something almost immediately and again, this was something I should have thought of last week (but didn't). At this point, I had already swapped the 51 Kenmore into the Inglis 'slot' but after seeing what I saw and taking corrective action, I had to try the Inglis again. 
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Post# 749745 , Reply# 34 4/13/2014 at 14:04 (3,659 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 749748 , Reply# 35 4/13/2014 at 14:10 (3,659 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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After reconnecting the Inglis, I tried a water test. It agitated and spun normally and with no squeaking or other abnormal noises!!
So... what was the problem?? Wait for it.... The drive belt!! I had not tightened the motor mounting bolt enough after dropping the gearcase last week. You don't want to know what I said when I discovered that. Curiously enough, I was cursing in French (probably because it's a Canadian-made washer...LOL). But by golly, that did it. Now, I still have to run a real wash load through it but I was optimistic enough to pop it back into place in the laundry room. Keep your fingers crossed!! | ||
| Post# 749764 , Reply# 36 4/13/2014 at 15:05 (3,659 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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...I was cursing in French... | ||
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Post# 749768 , Reply# 37 4/13/2014 at 15:10 (3,659 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 749772 , Reply# 38 4/13/2014 at 15:41 (3,659 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 749917 , Reply# 39 4/14/2014 at 06:58 (3,658 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Yay Paul | ||
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Post# 749966 , Reply# 40 4/14/2014 at 12:12 (3,658 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Paul -
That was a smart idea!! I'm glad you thought of that, and I am REALLY glad the Whirl-Glis-Ken-Pool now resides in a more secure state, I was getting worried for its long-term existence, lol. Congratulations on its re-birth! Since we've spoken about dry bearings in a few threads before, I have a 1964 Kenmore 70 that has really dry bearings, maybe sometime soon I can take a video of it, its rather ugly sounding in spin. Maybe that would be useful for the archives. By the way Paul, I am very anxious to hear how the POR-15 painted tub holds up --- does it stick well, does it stay white, etc. Gordon | ||
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Post# 749982 , Reply# 41 4/14/2014 at 13:30 (3,658 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 749983 , Reply# 42 4/14/2014 at 13:31 (3,658 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 749984 , Reply# 43 4/14/2014 at 13:36 (3,658 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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I shot more videos of the Wash and Wear cycle, but the lighting was kinda bad...
Still, it was interesting to note the way the cycle progresses; it's very different from the Lady K! The washer fills using water as selected manually - I used warm for the wash, cold for the rinse. Agitation for the wash is at normal speed. The washer then does 5, count 'em 5, neutral drains and then refills (with rinse water as selected) - no agitation. Spin after wash is at low speed; final rinse and final spin are also at low speed. Different, eh?? Now, Let's see what other laundry I can scrounge up for another test tonight! 
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Post# 750105 , Reply# 44 4/14/2014 at 20:15 (3,657 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 750107 , Reply# 45 4/14/2014 at 20:17 (3,657 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 750110 , Reply# 46 4/14/2014 at 20:20 (3,657 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 750118 , Reply# 47 4/14/2014 at 20:28 (3,657 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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I do still have a few things to tinker with, though. I have to bypass that lid spin switch - safety is not a concern with me... LOL
I'd like to try re-connecting the suds-saver valve now and see how well it works. Note that I slotted the Inglis near the laundry tub. I am elated that I finally got this machine back up and running, needless to say. This was a really, really trying project. I was ready to give up and let Hubby ride the machine down Miller's Hill after the ice storm, but wow am I glad I didn't! I learned some very valuable lessons from this restoration and as always, I am grateful for all the advice, suggestions, and shared 'war stories' I received. This is proof positive that you can get through a beastly restore when we put our heads and collective knowledge together! Phil deserves extra credit for his help with the transmission-swapping and hauling the latest donor machine from Sherbrooke for me!! I also had to get the machine going again for three personal reasons: 1) this is my first vintage washer I acquired since I joined automaticwasher.org 2) it's a Canadian-built machine and these are getting pretty scarce and 3) because Hubby has been threatening to turn this washer into a Kia since I got it back in '09! To him I say: HA!! Now let's see how well I do with my next attempts at the Dominion and the GE Combo. Oh yeah, there's also the matched Inglis dryer that needs a motor transplant. And the '57 GE Filter-Flo washer that needs a total teardown and rebuild. Can't forget the 'new' Bendix still in the storage locker either. Or the '63 or '64 Kenmore 600 Roto-Rack dishwasher.... Oy, I have my work cut out for me still! And I ain't giving up anytime soon!! 
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