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Hoover Keymatic 3226 question |
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Post# 748404   4/7/2014 at 11:01 (3,671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I sold my Hoover Keymatic to a German collector, who is restoring it right now.
He has a problem with the machine, the timer stops at every increment where it only pumps. The timer has to be advanced manually then. It goes through all other increments automatically. Is this a common problem? Has this occured on other Keymatics? He thinks he can solve the problem if he would have an electric scheme for this machine. Does anyone have that? He doesn't trust himself very much with english, so I posted this question for him here. Louis |
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Post# 748408 , Reply# 1   4/7/2014 at 11:26 (3,671 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Louis, glad to here your Keymatic has gone to a good home and will be restored, we have the scematics, can you get him to post a pic of the keplate / timer unit please or indicate the model number on the timer, there are a number of different revised timers and different wiring schematics / diagrams etc...
Yours was the Keymatic 3226 with round programmer dial? (having a senior moment)! |
Post# 748412 , Reply# 2   4/7/2014 at 11:33 (3,671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 748416 , Reply# 3   4/7/2014 at 11:49 (3,671 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Is that your machine in the video? There should be a code and number on the keyplate timer inside the washer like MTB & number -
the timer in the video looks like a later replacement with a clear side. There where a number of updated timers for each model number and the wiring looms and schematics differ as well...and yes like I said senior moment ha ha.. |
Post# 748420 , Reply# 4   4/7/2014 at 12:12 (3,671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 748446 , Reply# 5   4/7/2014 at 13:02 (3,671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 748455 , Reply# 6   4/7/2014 at 13:19 (3,671 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 748462 , Reply# 7   4/7/2014 at 13:40 (3,671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 748466 , Reply# 8   4/7/2014 at 13:44 (3,671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 748478 , Reply# 9   4/7/2014 at 14:28 (3,671 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 748911 , Reply# 10   4/9/2014 at 16:42 (3,669 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Louis
I have the manuals can you confirm the following please: Serial Number of this keymatic There are 4 versions of ATH timer, is there anything else on the timer that has a stamp saying ATH version 1,2 3, or 4 Also to go with the 4 versions of timer there are 2 versions of wiring harness to go with relevant timers - can you tell me does your washer have either: A large terminal block on the top of the chassis (I just couldnt see from the video) A large long terminal block on the RHS (looking from back) on the lower bottom frame Or No terminal bloks at all (ie all the wiring goes from the timer to relevant parts, pump, motor etc? We need to narrow it down if we can other wise its something like 24 pages instead of 6 lol... cheers,Mike ps I see an E stamped also on the timer so am guessing this is a later model with ATH V4 timer, no terminal blocks and an E harness... |
Post# 748916 , Reply# 11   4/9/2014 at 16:48 (3,669 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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I can just about see the sump hose in the video and it looks like a cobbled together replacement like we had to do, I remember having a problem with fill / empty etc and we found a problem with the hose from sump to pressure pot leaking out & not sealed properly - it could be that, fikle washers they are!!
heres what the faultfinder says for pump issues: |
Post# 749268 , Reply# 13   4/11/2014 at 07:42 (3,667 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Thank you guys, Stephan has translated your messages with Google translate, he seems to have solved the problem, there was a cable not well connected.
It's a bit difficult to translate technical English terms and technical German terms when you are Dutch and not very technical inclined. lol! Stephan sent me some pictures, I hope they help to determine what timer this is. He is a professional repairman, so he is looking forward to the schemes. In the meantime it is perhaps interesting to have a look at his youtube channel, he restored quite a few machines: CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 749269 , Reply# 14   4/11/2014 at 07:43 (3,667 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 749270 , Reply# 15   4/11/2014 at 07:44 (3,667 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 749482 , Reply# 16   4/12/2014 at 08:48 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Well the mystery deepens, the yellow motor solenoid says ATH, but on the Timer it says AT 38, nowthen most of the timers where 42 position cams, but in the book is an AT36 which has 36 cam positions - yours says AT38, I wonder if yours was a special edition timer for other countries and only has 38 position cams?
The other pic that would help is a pic of the top of the machine to see if you have the distribution block on top and on the chassis baseplate, that would narrow it down considerably... I will post what I have and see if you can work out from the wiring colours / diagrams and terminal blocks etc... |
Post# 749486 , Reply# 17   4/12/2014 at 09:02 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749490 , Reply# 18   4/12/2014 at 09:16 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749491 , Reply# 19   4/12/2014 at 09:17 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749492 , Reply# 20   4/12/2014 at 09:18 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749493 , Reply# 21   4/12/2014 at 09:19 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749494 , Reply# 22   4/12/2014 at 09:21 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749496 , Reply# 23   4/12/2014 at 09:22 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749497 , Reply# 24   4/12/2014 at 09:23 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749499 , Reply# 25   4/12/2014 at 09:24 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749506 , Reply# 26   4/12/2014 at 09:36 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749509 , Reply# 27   4/12/2014 at 09:37 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749511 , Reply# 29   4/12/2014 at 09:39 (3,666 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 749533 , Reply# 30   4/12/2014 at 12:08 (3,666 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 749549 , Reply# 31   4/12/2014 at 13:44 (3,666 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Stephan says thank you, it appears he has type D. Still funny, he seems to have a different timer, the increments are different. Probably a replacement.
The timer is working but it looks like it needs a good cleaning, he will do that soon. After the restoration is finished this Keymatic will go to a collector in Stuttgart. He has a Keymatic 3224 now that is in a bad state. Stephan wants to restore that one too. I will start a new thread about that soon. |
Post# 749658 , Reply# 32   4/13/2014 at 04:10 (3,665 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Here's one more thing, the timer stays much longer in every last pump only increment than it says in the schedule. Would that be normal or is this an indication for a problem? In the end the machine advances by itself, but it takes quite a bit of time. Sometimes it takes 5 minutes. According to the schedule it should be 2 minutes. Here's a video:
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Post# 749709 , Reply# 33   4/13/2014 at 11:10 (3,665 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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