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Post# 753339   4/28/2014 at 03:49 (3,644 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Ok, so I've posted a thread or two about washers etc... .... The house thing fell through (literally, the foundation collapsed :/) and I'm probably gonna be in this place for a few more years...

I'm getting the bug/itch to replace the Samsung Set that I have.. (Well, store the Landlord's set in my storage.) I absolutely am tired of not having remotely warm water in the wash tub when I have a hot cycle selected ... ...

I'm thinking the MHW8000AG / MED8000AG Maytag pair...

With the price the pair would cost, do you guys think the features etc are worth it?

Will I get a truly hot wash when I select hot?

I'm able to get a decent discount on the pair but. ... I'm wondering reliability etc. They will probably be moved 3 or 4 times in their lifetime.

Thoughts, Comments?





Post# 753356 , Reply# 1   4/28/2014 at 07:18 (3,644 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
You would be much better off

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With a Speed Queen set. A much more reliable commercial design. You would be hard pressed to wear this machine out in your lifetime.
WK78


Post# 754734 , Reply# 2   5/3/2014 at 15:18 (3,639 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I was talking to the sales manager the other day. She told me that she sells lots of Speed Queen top load sets but she has only sold one Speed Queen front load set. She didn't have much to say about them because its a brand they order on demand.

I dunno..

The 8000 Maxima's seem to be really well built now so I dunno what to do.. They both are gonna be the same price roughly, the Maytag has more gizmos, but ... Which set will actually use hot water and wash my clothes?


Post# 754868 , Reply# 3   5/4/2014 at 11:01 (3,638 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The Speed Queen is built like a tank, but the Maytag Maxima XL 8000 offers heated water via the Extra Hot water selection and cycles like Allergen and Sanitize. It has a steam option, which is good for removing body oils and stains. You'll also get substantially more capacity.

If you choose Maytag: Make sure you get the new Maxima line, which is called Maxima XL. The 8000 currently sits at the top of Consumer Reports' ratings.





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Post# 755000 , Reply# 4   5/5/2014 at 05:09 (3,637 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I was snooping around on AJMadison and saw the Fisher and Paykel WA4127G1 machine... What do you guys think of it? It says that it has an auto lint disposal system but I also see that you can get a separate lint filter.






This looks to be the same machine, but I noticed on the deep fill (starting around 10 mins) there isn't much steam coming up from the fill, so is this another machine that fills with cold water?

The thought here is that I'd try a top loader for a bit, then put it in use at a friends place after he gets his laundry room done (adding space/plumbing for a second machine). He works for a sand and gravel company and we need a machine for his work clothes that can handle all the sand and gravel he brings home..

There are so many options out there, and reading around on here I've started looking into things like lint filters and water depths/temperatures etc. I have to deal with lots of pet hair where he has to deal with lots of sand and gravel. Extremes on both ends...

I am torn on what I should do with the Maytag/Speed Queen decision. Logic says to go with the Speed Queen set but I have a Whirlpool Employee Discount available to me. That is what is making the Maxima XL 8000's look so attractive to me.


Post# 755001 , Reply# 5   5/5/2014 at 05:27 (3,637 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Hrm. Sometimes reading the manual helps..

Wash 2 – Agitation wash (top-loader type wash)
After recirculating the sudsy water through your
clothes for 4 minutes, your WashSmart washer will fill
with just enough cold water to suspend the clothes in
solution. Agitation will then begin, moving soil away
from the clothes.
Note: the detergent activating wash is the only time
during the cycle that hot water is used (when the
machine is completely full the water will be lukewarm).
If you need hot water during the agitation part of the
wash, select the ALLERGY cycle.

At least they have the balls to say they fill with cold water during the agitation cycle.


Post# 755009 , Reply# 6   5/5/2014 at 07:01 (3,637 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Front-loaders are excellent at removing sand. Gravity and the tumbling action get sand out of the drum and into the sump for disposal.

Post# 755318 , Reply# 7   5/6/2014 at 17:31 (3,635 days old) by cam2s (Nebraska)        

I've had Maxima 7000 series set since December and have been satisfied with them. It allows you to use the booster heater in most of the cycles and you can pretty good temps and water levels as long as you avoid the normal cycle.

Post# 755370 , Reply# 8   5/7/2014 at 00:47 (3,635 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I like that this is also in the manual:

"In addition, some wash loads are better washed using a cycle with a deep rinse. For instance,
garments that have a lot of sand or sawdust in them, or garments where the color still runs. For
these loads select the SOFTENER option, as this will change the rinse to include a deep rinse."

It's nice that they don't try to dumb the user down like most companies do, and instead tell you outright what the features actually do. I wish the options on new washers were "Spray Rinse" or "Deep Rinse" rather than "Fabric Softener On/Off". That way those that aren't familiar with how the machine operates will have a more clear understanding.


Post# 755371 , Reply# 9   5/7/2014 at 00:50 (3,635 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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And this was right under that in the manual! I'm liking F&P more and more!

Scrud
Scrud is the name given to the waxy build-up that can occur within any washer when fabric
softener comes into contact with detergent. This build-up is not brought about by a fault in the
machine. If scrud is allowed to build-up in the machine it can result in stains on your clothes or
an unpleasant smell in your washer.
If you wish to use fabric softener we recommend:
■■ Using fabric softener sparingly.
■■ When filling the dispenser, do not splash or overfill.
■■ Clean the fabric softener dispenser as soon as the cycle is finished (refer page 37).
■■ Clean your machine regularly (refer page 37).
■■ Cold water washing increases the chance of the build-up occurring.
■■ We recommend that a warm wash be used at regular intervals, eg every 5th wash should be warm.
■■ Fabric softener of a thinner consistency is less likely to leave residue on the dispenser and
contribute to a build-up


Post# 755394 , Reply# 10   5/7/2014 at 03:57 (3,635 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

What do you guys think of the new LG 22 lbs top loader with built in heater? It can heat up the water to either 104 or 140 degrees.

Post# 755625 , Reply# 11   5/8/2014 at 01:31 (3,634 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Ok so, The front loaders.. ... Speed Queen AFN51F/ADE41F Pair... 5k out the door with pedestals, delivery, installation and moving two sets of washers/dryers to different locations...

The Maytag Maxima 8000 Series would be around 2k out the door, with pedestals, delivery, installation and moving the other sets after the Discount I have available...

Will the SpeedQueen's ability to clean be worth the 3k extra? Is it that justifiable? At this point I'd be buying purely on reputation of name and on aesthetics.

That being said... I still need a top loader for now... I can get the AWN542S for 675 out the door, delivery etc. SpeedQueen just increased the warranties. 15 years on transmission, and I forget the rest she said. Another option is that I can get the F&P WashSmart for 775 out the door.

They haven't had the 300 series of the Maytag Centennial top-loaders, so she wasn't sure what to think of them. She said they had nothing but complaints with the older agitator top load models as well as horror stories with the wash-plate HE top loaders. She said if she ordered in the Maytag, I could get it for 450, same bundle out the door.

....

....

What do I do?


Post# 755628 , Reply# 12   5/8/2014 at 02:23 (3,634 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Am I really seeing the roll-over that I am watching? Is LG the only one with a wash plate that can do that or ?? Is there something I am missing on this agitator-less boat?

I ask because of rapunzel's reply.


Post# 755636 , Reply# 13   5/8/2014 at 03:04 (3,634 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Wholy crap the AeroCare Dryer from F&P reverses!?!?!!??!?!

Maybe I should just buy that set and be done with it.. :/ WTH.


Post# 755643 , Reply# 14   5/8/2014 at 04:28 (3,634 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
This is the LG washer I was referring to

It's a nice looking machine.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO rapunzel's LINK


Post# 755684 , Reply# 15   5/8/2014 at 11:16 (3,634 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        
LG washers

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I've seen quite a few demos/videos of the LG TL's and I'm actually really impressed. They seem to always fill to the top for large loads, and the wash action is always so fluid and swirly, compared to the WP version where there's water and the clothes are just sitting there. I'm still not sure how they rinse; I imagine because of the full wash fill it probably does some variation of a spray rinse. If I had to buy a TL with a wash plate to save my life, it would be the LG.

Post# 756439 , Reply# 16   5/12/2014 at 03:01 (3,630 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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The more I dig around on the forums and the products on AJ Madison, the more confused I am getting...

www.lg.com/us/washers/lg-WM3070HR... <-- The video that was just made by a member, MickeyD, has me curious about the recirculating water.

I didn't see anything about the Maxima 8000's having a recirculating spray. Everything that I've been reading about the older top loaders, this seemed to be the feature to have, right?

The more I ask people about washers the more I am told that LG makes a phenomenal set... HE Top Load or Front Load, they seem to be doing better than most of the brand... I know thats probably a sales push, and I know LG had their issues with the top loaders exploding at random, but the videos I keep seeing online are showing me one thing... LG is giving consumers the option to practically program their own wash cycles.. That and the 1300 RPM extract spin, the truebalance system seems to hold to its name...

I truly don't know what I want to spend my money on. I think for now the Speed Queen front loaders are out, because I know deep down its not worth the investment on where I am at currently in my life.

I will probably be in the 12-1500 price range per unit.. I just want something that will clean and I can use for the next 5 years or so without regret.

I know the Maytags will do what I am wanting, but That wild cherry red is beautiful. That TurboWash is getting my attention...

Whats a boy to do?


Post# 756441 , Reply# 17   5/12/2014 at 03:10 (3,630 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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... I do know I need to do something quick before I buy a shot gun...


Stupid Samsung pair that I have now is driving me nuts.

I put some work shirts in to wash, put it on hot knowing it wont get hot, wait about 30 minutes, open the door and the water is 50 degrees.... ...... SERIOUSLY?


I can't believe I've never noticed that this machine doesn't get hot.. ever.. and I've made sure the hot water is working, I hear the hot water cycle and fill when the machine first starts......


Post# 756503 , Reply# 18   5/12/2014 at 11:44 (3,630 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I don't think you'l be happy with an LG. These also seem to have problems getting the water hot. This is a table from reviewed.com of a Kenmore Elite 41472 using an eight lbs. load and default settings. I'd stick with Whirlpool/Maytag.

Post# 756518 , Reply# 19   5/12/2014 at 13:03 (3,630 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Hot water and F&P...

... are a topic on their own.
All new F&P washers use a system called EcoActive-wash. In general, most of all cycles fill with you selected temperature until the load is saturated plus another gallon or 2, maybe. Than, within the next 4 min the washer reciculates this detergent-water-mix over your laundry. From their on, the cycles varry. Some fill with some more water and go on this way and than finally fill up to the selected level, some just fill up. The main thing is: From their on, all fills will be cold. Except for Allergy which will continue with the selected temp. So you get the detergent going at you temp, soak your load at you selected temp and than dumb down the temperature for the agitated part of the cycle. I personally like this idea as all you detergent action is done at selected temp and in an highly concentrated solution and than continue with a more gentle cooler wash that save energy either. Bleaching agents are activated and work, even though you get an energy star rating.
But there is another thing: You can actually adjust the ATC on these machines! For example, AquaSmart manual, you can increase the warm temp in 0.5°F steps. So you can lift up warm to cancel the cold fill a bit more.
Anyway, even though I have never been abled of using one, I am a fan of the AquaSmart idea: You get an impperler washer with its wash plate (thus more gentle and more room in the tub) BUT you can just switch of the HE-mode and get a true full-fill wash on most cycles (some don't allow to use HE, some prohibit conventional mode).
Of course, a bit pricey, but we all know that F&P has been quite reliable, and if something brakes, they are easy and cheap to fix:
www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadis...


Post# 756523 , Reply# 20   5/12/2014 at 13:34 (3,630 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Hot water/modern front-loaders: My 2010 Frigidaire fills with hot water when selected, but so little water enters the machine that the metal tub and the clothes themselves cool the water once it starts tumbling.
Incoming hot water is 140 degrees at my house, but that drops to around 115 degrees after a few minutes of tumbling. This is why I won't have a machine without an internal water heater.

Frankly, most loads are cleaned well at 90-115 degrees---especially with a top-rated, enzyme-laden detergent---but I often use the Allergy option (heats to 125) or the Sanitize cycle (heats to 150) or the steam option (heats 1st rinse water and tumbles for 20 minutes creating "steam").


Post# 759744 , Reply# 21   5/27/2014 at 02:43 (3,615 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... <-- My Samsung WF210ANW is using hot water now...


So... I can put this purchase on a hold for a minute... Cause there was a new development too.. We just because a Miele dealer for the Vacuum Store I'm working at...

That gives me access to their entire product line.... .....

That opens my option list up a bit.

My job is making me go broke..


Post# 763523 , Reply# 22   6/14/2014 at 01:11 (3,597 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Became* lol . I just caught that..

Anywho.. Anyone have any opinions on the LG WM3997HWA?

I could see my self liking this.. .. If it works like the way you guys talk about other LG's working..

www.lg.com/us/washer-dryer-combos...


Post# 763543 , Reply# 23   6/14/2014 at 06:07 (3,597 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Washing: Yeah!!!
Drying: Nahh... I mean, it dries, but takes an eternity (like a half tub of normal laundry can take 2 or 3 hours), uses water (ensure you have a really cold cold water supply) and uses pretty high temperatures. But it gets the job done. So if you leave the house oftner, it can be quite usefull. You can pop a load in, set the cycle, come home from work and have a washed and dried load.
It has pros, but a few cons either...


Post# 763546 , Reply# 24   6/14/2014 at 06:50 (3,597 days old) by washman (o)        
You're making this way too complicated

You've done enough research to last 3 lifetimes. You need to consider the real definition of value and understand that washing clothes is not rocket science.

Garments, for years now, are comprised of cotton/rayon/polyester/dacron/etc.

Second, perspiration, dirt, grime, dust, sand, grass stains, mud, oil and the like are the same was they have been for years. In other words they make garments dirty today, in 2014 just like they did in 1914.

Third, to remove #2 above, you need A. Water B. Enough to move the garments through it. C. Sufficient temperature. D. Correct amount of detergent.

Fourth, Sanitize, steam, etc are useless. There is no evidence, none whatsoever, that proves we need to start "sanitizing" our garments in the wash. No one has gotten ill from "unsanitary" laundry.

Fifth, a multitude of cycles based upon the logic of gee, 3 options are good, but 13 are even better, is foolhardy. And needlessly complicated.

Sixth, you need to consider how much time you want to invest in doing laundry. Sure the new machines use less water than the old school tanks, won't argue that. But do you really want to double or even triple your time involved in doing laundry?

Seventh, do you want to invest in additional "cleaners" to clean the friggin machine that is supposed to clean your laundry? Do you want to waste time, water, and money running a "cleaning" cycle on a FL or HE TL machine? How exactly is that "efficient"? No one seems to know.

Now here's our object lesson for today:

It's 1975. Shag carpets are in as are catalytic converters. All in the Family is #1 in the Nielsen ratings.
Happy homemaker takes laundry basket to washer. Sorts by color. Picks up a tshirt or sweatshirt. Fabric is 80% cotton 20% polyester. Garment instructions state, in part, machine wash warm, tumble dry low, warm iron if needed, use no chlorine bleach. Happy homemaker follows instructions and uses her 1970's era machine and laundry comes out clean.

Flash forward to 2014. Shag carpets are out and I have no clue who's #1 in the Nielsen ratings. Happy homemaker takes laundry basket to washer. Sorts by color. Picks up a tshirt or sweatshirt. Fabric is 80% cotton 20% polyester. Garment instructions state, in part, machine wash warm, tumble dry low, warm iron if needed, use no chlorine bleach. Happy homemaker follows instructions and uses her 1970's era machine and laundry comes out clean.

See any difference?


Post# 763561 , Reply# 25   6/14/2014 at 09:36 (3,597 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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The difference is that I don't know what I want to spend my money on to buy, but I do know I piss more than my Samsung set uses for water..

After falling for the prices that the set had cost, I don't want to get stuck with another set that is made just for companies to do volumes.

Also, I do not wish to move several pairs in and out of my living space. I want to find something, make sure it works half decent, does what it needs to without a bunch of politics at play and will give me a good ROI.

This samsung set that I have, until recently, barely used any water and did NOT use hot water. You put it on hot and barely get a 70 degree fahrenheit wash...

I think its complete BS that I can't just get a new machine that uses the hot water already provided by my hot water tank that is sitting not more than 3 feet from the machine. That makes no sense to have a machine heat its own water when the water has already been heated and I've already paid for that water to sit there and stay hot.

As for your analogy, the two scenarios are completely different.. 1975 I could have gotten most of my washing done in two hours... The dryer was the slowest part of the ratio... Now, the dryer finishes WAY before the washer does. We went from machines that took 30 minutes to wash a full load to damn near 2 hours to wash a full load.. But, that is of course if you have a new machine to each era.. In your second part you gave the example of using an older machine.. I don't have an older machine. I have a new BOL pos that I want to replace.

And you're right, I don't need 200 Wash cycle options.. I really only need to set the temp, the spin speed and the occasional extra rinse.. But when the machine and the EPA think they know how to clean my clothes better and don't allow me to set the options I want, then there is an issue... Especially when my clothes come out just as dirty as they went in.


Now... This brings us back to the latest machine I posted about... I could set the load, set the options, and when I came back from work, everything except unloading and folding is taken care of... If I am going to have to wait 3 hours to do a load from wash to dry with my current pair, why not have a machine that will automatically just do both functions and its ready when I am back to take care of it? Given that these machines seem so popular in Europe, would I be going wrong if I were to get something like this?

I mean at least with it being LG, its going to be a decent machine instead of some of these In business, out of business, In business again fly by night companies that release one off combo units, right?

It'll have a decent wash like their current lineup of washers, plus has a larger capacity than the other combo's they've released in the US?

The only thing is I've never used a condenser dryer.. I get that it functions like a dehumidifier, and with my kitchen flooding every time it rains, I understand exactly how much moisture a dehumidifier can move... Is there really a difference between a standard dryer and this dryer built in?

The upside is that its a standard wall plug, and I would only need hot/cold and a drain.. I could finally have my laundry in my kitchen and get my walk in closet back...


Post# 763575 , Reply# 26   6/14/2014 at 11:34 (3,597 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
There are 3 things to mention!

1. One of the bigger downsides of a Combo is that the unit is in use and thus blocked. On a split set, you can wash while you are drying. Now, if you wash or dry, no matter, you can't do anything else. You can't run a 2nd load while #1 is drying. Keep in mind, with only 1 unit in stead of 2, you have to spend more time due to that fact.
2. Condensor dryers run usually hotter. You are in the 170 quite fast. And this Combo uses water as coolant, so about 2-4 gal more water usage in total, to guess.
3. You can't load it fully up to the top. As the 4.3 cuft now are used for wash and dry , you can only load it loosely to 3/4 at the maximum. Thus, you may need more loads.


Post# 770317 , Reply# 27   7/12/2014 at 19:11 (3,568 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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OK, so I still haven't purchased anything.. BUT....

One of our reps came into the store talking about some products we carry and I knows his company distributes SpeedQueen as well.

I was talking to him about some models etc and he said if I am going to buy speedqueen I should wait until the 2015 models make their debut... He said that even though there will be an automatic setting to appease the EPA, the ability to manually control everything is still there AND the new machines have anti-vibration in them now.. He said the machines won't walk across the floors anymore.

Anyone else heard anything on this?


Post# 770712 , Reply# 28   7/14/2014 at 01:22 (3,567 days old) by washer111 ()        

"Fifth, a multitude of cycles based upon the logic of gee, 3 options are good, but 13 are even better, is foolhardy. And needlessly complicated."
Its still quite nice to be able to customise cycles though... Unforunately, SQ has gone down the path of "3 options" with both their FLs and TLs with the electronic controls. Now - someone in an office chair controls your agitation times, spin times as well as any soaking periods you allow. People buy SQ for the CONTROL they give over laundry... Not pointless automation. 

Post# 770751 , Reply# 29   7/14/2014 at 07:47 (3,567 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

So tired of hearing about buying extra products to clean a FL. Follow the freaking instructions, use the correct amounts of detergent and softner if desired and you won't have a problem. My LG pair are now 15 years old and going strong, never have had any odor issues, most of my wash is cold water and I don't buy a 'boutique' detergent. Most, if not all FL issues are caused by too much soap combined and made worse by the use of too much softener. Americans have a problem with if a little works great then 10x will do fantastic and then they blame the machine. And if water isn't expensive or in short supply where you live, then enjoy your TL. But if you live where it's both expensive and in short supply an HE machine is an excellent choice. And no matter how many times I see that FL's don't clean, I just refer you back to the start of this post. There are way too many studies showing that they do, in fact, clean better and are less stressful on clothing.

Post# 770909 , Reply# 30   7/14/2014 at 18:49 (3,566 days old) by washer111 ()        

Thank-you Gr8DaneDad (Very nice screen name too! We've got two lovely Danes)!

 

CORRECT usage habits stop the requirement for "Washer Cleaners." 

From what I understand, the "Affresh Cycle" added to many machines came as a result of the lawsuit filed against FL manufacturers - again as some sort of "cure" for the stupidity that abounds with FL machines (Too much/too little detergent/softener, wrong temperature, leaving the door shut, never clearing the pump-trap).

 

That said, I do like to run a 'maintenance wash' on both our Dishwasher and Miele FL machines every so often - just for security sake. The washer gets to run on a 'boil wash' too, which will remove much of the crud that builds up around the outer tub - if anything does!


Post# 770910 , Reply# 31   7/14/2014 at 18:52 (3,566 days old) by washer111 ()        

Also:

 

"Steam" and "Sanitise" are the American versions of what people have been whining about for several years now... Everyone complains about "Dumbed Down Temperatures," well, those cycles BRING BACK hot washing, and allow a "profile wash" as they heat up. 

Whilst ATC is stupid and shouldn't exist (Which is does on FL machines) - these options at least allow the user to run hot - very hot washes for loads that require it (i.e. Bedding,  Towels, Uber-stained loads of whites etc). 


Post# 796479 , Reply# 32   11/29/2014 at 14:19 (3,429 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I figured it'd be best to blow the dust off this thread instead of starting another one covering the same thing...

I posted a thread about Miele Little Giants... I didn't realize how little the little giants were. I am finding that the only thing piratical with that set is their foot print. My king quilt and shams barely fit in it, my king down alternative comfort will not fit in it... Those two items are what I was the most throughout the year because the cat lays on my bed.

Here we are 215 days from when I originally posted this and I haven't gotten closer to a choice. I should have ordered the maxima set that I wanted originally but I let a sales person's opinions get the better of me and decided to keep looking...

Yes, I know I have researched this to death but I don't want to regret what I buy. I've already been down that road and am miserable because of the set I bought thinking it'd be a good purchase. I hate doing laundry because I hate my set... I don't want to repeat this process when I get a new set.

I had a pair of neptunes lined up but that fell through, I've still got the speed queen pair sitting that my boss gave me but there are more problems with the washer than just the bearings... I don't have the time to invest in that project right now so that pair will sit in storage.. next to the hobart kitchenaid dishwashers I had to have...

I need something that is 'turnkey' and am just afraid of being disappointed... I read reviews and watch product videos for hours each night... I'm past the point of obsession...

I dig through this forum, I read why people like and don't like modern washers, I read the positive things about the machines then we get on to the negatives...

I realize the perfect machine doesn't exist.. If it did, it'd be a Miele Little Giant that would be the size of the Maxima 8000/8100.

Through this little journey I've learned a few things. People are still gun shy of Maytag (with good reason) because of what happened during their decline... LG Seems to make a good product but its not made to last... The most noted thing I've learned? Samsung is horrible at making appliances, that I should steer clear. I've learned that one first hand.

I dunno, maybe I buy into hype or something but I just know with all of the disappointment I've had this year, I don't want to have to deal with being disappointed in my appliances too... I want to come home and be able to start a load of wash... I don't want to have to finagle with this, compromise with that and plead with the Lord in heaven that my clothes will come out somewhat clean. I just want the things to work. Do what they are designed to do. I put a 125k mile warranty on my Lincoln MKX for that same reason. When I get in that car each morning, I expect that things will work when I press the start button. I understand I have regular maintenance and what not but other than that the thing should function the way it was designed to. Each and every morning.

Anyways, I guess I am just venting more than anything because the holidays always put me in a weird mindset... After being with my family all day Thursday, I went home and just wanted to do laundry... by the time I was able to coerce two loads out of the machine, I just wished I could have pushed it out of a window... I gave up and went to bed... I still don't have clean socks for the next week... (OH that brings me to something I've learned... This stupid machine likes to eat ankle socks............) :/

I'm tired of wasting money I bust my ass to earn... Planned obsolescence be damned!

With all of that being said...

Thoughts on the Maxima 8100 set vs something like the Kenmore 41072 or the LG WM8000HVA? Sears has a hell of a deal on the 41072 pair.

I hate the way my samsung set tumbles, I hate that I don't have hot water unless I manually pipe it in and I shouldn't have to rip the thing open and adjust things to get the unit to use water... Will any of those three solve my hate list about my samsung?

Why can't F&P make a front load machine for the American market so I can have a matching dryer that reverse-tumbles? Or here's a novel concept, why can't they make a direct drive dryer with an independent heat module so the dryer tumbles both directions AND has enough airflow to work...

The problem with all of this is the fact that I've gotten too used to commercial equipment.... Our dexters at the laundromat have reverse tumble and have independent drums and blowers... The dexter washers you choose your temps, the thing fills 3/4 with water and away it goes... Simple and quick... Everything comes out clean in 22 minutes... The machines in back have a controller made that allows one to stop the drum and timer as well as advance the timer so if cycle modifications are needed they are easily done.

The only problem is they are a free flow drain that requires a trough and are hard mount... Otherwise one would be sitting in my laundry room.

Anyways thanks for reading through my ramblings.


Post# 796493 , Reply# 33   11/29/2014 at 16:47 (3,428 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Whilst they are particularly expensive and actually don't rate in our consumer magazine tests, I'd suggest that the only machines that will give you size, RTI and reliability in the US market are likely to be Speed Queen.


Post# 796502 , Reply# 34   11/29/2014 at 18:07 (3,428 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I also have NEVER used a washer cleaner in my Asko....hot water (140F) coming in plus a booster heater AND white clothes get Clorox ALL the time....add the fact that an Asko is all 100% stainless steel inside tub and outside tub, AND it does NOT have a bellows seal to trap dirt and detergent residue and I've never had any odor or mold issues either.

Post# 796506 , Reply# 35   11/29/2014 at 18:39 (3,428 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I have a set of SpeedQueens. I just have to put them back together..

I was looking through our product catalogs for the laundromat and came across the Wascomat Crossover.. I'm sifting through some of the posts on here and planetlaundry.. Maybe that could be a contender? I mean if I do 4 loads a week, 52 weeks a year,it would be 72 years for the rated usage...

I wonder what all would fail in that time? :-)


Post# 796507 , Reply# 36   11/29/2014 at 18:50 (3,428 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
May I tactfully suggest....

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....getting off your butt and getting them back together, saving between $2000 and $5000.


Post# 796515 , Reply# 37   11/29/2014 at 19:43 (3,428 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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If it were that simple they would have been done already... They were stored in a barn, open... Mice have eaten through the boots and wiring...

So a bit more in-depth than just bearings I'm afraid.

Plus I'm not gaining much from the Miele units as far as capacity.


Post# 796697 , Reply# 38   11/30/2014 at 16:39 (3,427 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I didn't intend my reply to be a snap back.. I was excited when those units came to town... I just wasn't expecting the problems I found when I started taking things apart..

I was looking through the Wascomat Crossover installation and operating manuals and found that default cycle selection, wash and rinse water levels, number of pre-washes and number of rinses can be programmed..

It's a rather simple machine, you load your poopoo undies, select the temperature and press start...

I'm seeing this machine run from 1400-1800.. We're going to inquire and see if maybe I can't get something like this...

If I'm not mistaken, the 3.5 cu.ft. is bigger than what the SpeedQueens would have and is considerably larger than the Mieles..

From what I have seen the unit has a 10 year warranty... With 15,000+ cycles this is the kind of reliability I'm looking for... (The Warranty I'm trying to pin down to a direct answer.)

But the search gets dumb for the fact that I keep looking for a reverse tumble dryer... GE makes a few models that have the tangle assist, electrolux has one but its in the cool down mode only, wascomat makes dryers that reverse but I don't need 40# capacity.. I looked at the GE, then I see the RightHeight washer/dryer pairs and its like why not get that set and be done? But I don't see any reviews or opinions offered on that line... I mean I see a lot of speculation but not a lot of pairs out in houses.. laundry.reviewed has the lower-end rightheight unit, but nothing on the higher-end units.

The question first on my mind is what is the transportation trail of the units? Where does the Crossover come from? The RightHeight units are from Appliance Park, right? The Miele's are from Germany and SpeedQueens are from Wisconsin? LG and Samsung are Chinese made, no?

The next question is what can I buy to avoid planned obsolescence? The crossover seems to be the best contender for the price. How long would the GE's last? The Maytags? LG's? The speedqueens and Mieles will last a long time, thats a given, but look at the cost.

The third question is about water usage in both level and temps. The Crossover is adjustable for level, the manual says the hot valve is open on hot fill, so its not dumbed down by epa guidelines. Speedqueen is the same for temps, right? What about the rest? I mean the idea of using an internal heater doesn't bother me but why pay to heat the water that was already heated to begin with? The biggest thing is I want the clothes to get wet... I want flushed clothes not moist.

I think the crossover might be the best decision for me for the washer, but I think one of the GE dryers with steam and detangle would be the best choice... I just have to get over the fact that I wouldn't have a matched set. It really is too bad the crossover dryer doesn't have reverse tumble.

Anyways I have emails sent out to my suppliers.. We will see what the week brings.




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Post# 796740 , Reply# 39   11/30/2014 at 21:32 (3,427 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I think part of the reason behind this current obsession or fixation is that I sell most makes and models of vacuums... I've learned that what review sites and manufacture advertising says generally is no where near the results the product will produce... Before I took that job I sold Xerox...

So in my mind, I see the product we have come in, I see the great quality of some products and the horrible quality of others.. I know what the products are supposed to be, but what they actually are are two different things...

You truly get what you pay for, but there is a point where paying too much isn't worth it, regardless of a persons income.


Post# 796889 , Reply# 40   12/1/2014 at 22:28 (3,426 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I must be blind.. I know I copied and pasted that GE washer's model number in laundry.reviewed and nothing turned up..


Yet today I happened to be browsing for something else and look what popped up... :/

laundry.reviewed.com/content/ge-g...


Post# 796949 , Reply# 41   12/2/2014 at 08:19 (3,426 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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They tested several of the new models.

 

laundry.reviewed.com/brands/ge...


Post# 797026 , Reply# 42   12/2/2014 at 19:10 (3,425 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Post# 797097 , Reply# 43   12/3/2014 at 03:05 (3,425 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        
So Pissed I could Spit...

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.... Trying to do laundry tonight... actually enjoying using my samsung washer, feeling satisfied that I'm getting wash times that match dryer times (40 minutes each).. Go to move second finished wash load into the dryer, the dryer is still going... WTH? Open dryer, everything is cold and moist... ....?!?!? Start dryer on manual high cycle, the vent tube never warms up... Ok, the dryer has ALWAYS worked... Did the last snow block the vent? Go out to furnace room and unhook dryer vent, its blowing frigid air....

We are an hour into an air fluff cycle because there is no heat... The towels are nearly dry, but am staying up longer than normal because my work shirts are in the wash....

I'm gonna go to the other side of the shared house in the AM to see if my breaker is tripped for the dryer (tenant is sleeping).. Though that wouldn't make sense unless only one leg tripped, but that really wouldn't make sense....

If the heating element went out, I'll have the unit serviced, after I have this pair removed. I'd rather sit with no units than have to look at them... They can sit in my storage unit till I can sell them. I've done less than 150 cycles on this pair in 3 years...

I'll start the shirts on a fluff cycle, the rest of the laundry can wait till the weekend when I'm working at the laundromat and can use the machines for free.


Post# 797243 , Reply# 44   12/3/2014 at 21:54 (3,424 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I found an element for 16 bucks... I guess I could just put it in my self.. I was thinking it was gonna be a huge ordeal, not something accessible from the front..


Post# 799050 , Reply# 45   12/14/2014 at 14:26 (3,414 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Not wanting to deal with the evil samsungs I decided to sneak over to moms while she was taking a nap!

It would have been too simple for the guy to sell me my pair when I found that used set. :/

I do think I'm going l change moms hoses. They are the same ones from when the set was new. Three houses and two states ago.


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Post# 801032 , Reply# 46   12/27/2014 at 04:44 (3,401 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Bought an element, followed the repair procedure... Still no heat.. I'm gonna grab a multimeter and see if the high limit switches are working or not.. :/ Oh well, this element is of better design and allows for more air flow (supposedly).

I did decide to go with the 4.3 LG combo for the replacement... The Miele's were too small and too expensive for what I'd need, The new design speed queens will be better suited for when I'm in a house, and I'll wait for them to be on the market for a while to work out bugs...

The maytags, I'm not too keen on the touch-sensitive buttons. I hate them in my lincoln, and I used a friend's 7000 pair for a weekend and didn't like them on that either.

The GE pair I can't really seem to find any opinions either way... I see the reviewed.com article, but no one I've talked to owns a pair of GE rightheights.

The thought with the LG combo is that I could put it out in the furnace room where my KDS-58 is, and I could take the KDS away so I'd get my walk-in closet back.

I've messaged a few people on youtube that own the larger LG combos and they have no problems with doing bedding in them for a full wash/dry cycle. The thoughts behind the combo are mainly I'd have space back again and could start a load in the AM on the way to work and have it finished dried when I come home from work. A decent bachelor type setup... If needed, I can purchase a matching dryer to stack on top... Plus this will let me play with LG for a bit.

They are going to haul my Samsung Pair to my storage shed as soon as the LG comes in.. I'm gonna have the dryer fixed so I can sell the pair.

The only thing with the LG that I can't seem to find an answer to... Where does the lint go?


Anyways, have a good night everyone.


Post# 801058 , Reply# 47   12/27/2014 at 11:23 (3,401 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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the lint goes down the drain. 


Post# 804904 , Reply# 48   1/19/2015 at 15:36 (3,377 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I Gave in...

I couldnt put my new pair where I wanted to I figured I'd try this. In front of the washer on the left is the water main. The contractor wouldnt listen to me when they added the little laundry room on so I was stuck using a stacked pair catywompus in the corner.

Im hoping this will be an enjoyable pair, I'm thrilled I dont smash the doors into anything when I open them.

Doing some bench rags from work as my first load. Hot is freaking hot. Fills the entire time with hot but will kick cold in and out. Ill get a thermometer and check temps.


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Post# 804984 , Reply# 49   1/20/2015 at 02:09 (3,377 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Not sure what I'm thinking of it yet...

I do know I got a bit over zealous with my first bit of bedding.. I loaded two thin quilts, a bed skirt and two shams... ... Definitely won't do that again.

It seems to do small items, like lots of rags, socks, undies etc.. very well... Not sure on other things yet.. I kept fighting with a few things trying to understand how it works...

I love the dryer though... But maybe thats because it works.. :/

One of the neat things is how you can adjust any and everything in the middle of a cycle on the washer.

I'm scared of doing pillows... I may have to get that combo unit down the road anyways just to do the bedding...

It doesn't seem to be a machine that can do.. large amounts of things.. But I have to play with it more... I've only done 5 loads today.. :-D


Post# 805320 , Reply# 50   1/22/2015 at 09:14 (3,375 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"I loaded two thin quilts, a bed skirt and two shams... ... Definitely won't do that again."

What happened? Why are you worried about washing pillows? If you use two same sized pillows with the same filling it shouldn't be a problem.


Post# 805553 , Reply# 51   1/23/2015 at 18:02 (3,373 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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When I over-loaded the bedding, nothing moved lol.

As far as the pillows, besides floating in a deep basket of water, I'm not sure if there will be much wash action and the machine will probably go off balance.

I'll try it though.


Post# 805567 , Reply# 52   1/23/2015 at 19:33 (3,373 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I thought this machine was designed to handle huge loads and bulky items like pillows, quilts etc.? They advertise fancy wash moves, which involves the tub as well. I'd do it for the sake of it.

I wash my pillows in my SQ top loader. It involves lengthy soaking and me pushing the pillows under water at various time, but in the end the machine does all the work and they come out fine.


Post# 805571 , Reply# 53   1/23/2015 at 19:54 (3,373 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I posted a video of what happens on the bulky cycle, and the various options under this thread:

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...

I'm gonna do a thin quilt and a set of sheets tonight and see how it handles. I've found I can record with my old Droid X and it records in a way that I can upload.

After I get the bedding done, I'll throw some pillows in and see what happens. I'll post the results in that other thread.



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