Thread Number: 53515
Those of you with Bosch Dishwashers (esp Older Models) I could really use some advice |
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Post# 758741   5/21/2014 at 21:23 (3,599 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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If you've seen my other thread, I'm currently on the hunt for a similar model dishwasher, and have landed my eyes on a Bosch Integra 500 Series.
I really love the model and it'd look really nice in our Kitchen, plus, since, I wouldn't be purchasing a new one, I could afford to keep saving up for my Miele FL dream. But... I'm a little nervous. And I'll tell you why.
The Model, I'm really considering, is approaching 10 years old. It sure doesn't look like it, it actually looks almost identical to the updated ones in Lowes, and, it has all the features I'd really like to have (like sensor wash) and a tall item sprinkler, and the adjustable racks.
Although, as much as I love the machine, the age of it scares me a little. The seller claims it works just fine... however, I wonder about the future of it.
You see.. in my searchings online, I've read lots & lots, of horror stories, about circulation pumps & controls panels, just randomly going out. It does seem to be a very common problem, however, I do understand, it's not going to be on every model. I just, wonder however, if it's only a matter of time, after I get it.
So, I guess what I'm asking is.. Guys, do any of you have Bosch Dishwashers of similar age and not have any problems? Should I expect problems down the road?
I really like this model. Esp the racking system, and the fact, that the detergent tray opens slowly in the wash. It's almost a dream come true to me, to find it. I just don't want to deal with purchasing replacement parts down the road. |
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Post# 758854 , Reply# 1   5/22/2014 at 10:14 (3,598 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Like buying any used appliance you really need to find out why they are selling it and what condition the machine is currently in.
Bosch DWs had a pretty bad repair record 10 years ago, it does seem that the repair record of newer machines has improved quite a bit. Many repairs are very expensive and difficult to do on Bosch DWs in general, so a large number of them just get trashed if anything really goes wrong. Question, what is a slow opening detergent dispenser and how would that help make the machine work any better. |
Post# 758873 , Reply# 2   5/22/2014 at 11:22 (3,598 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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of a slow release detergent chamber. One being, most modern detergents contain Enzymes & Oxygen Bleach. And, when they're released at the same time, you get great bleaching action, but the enzymes start to wind off a little quicker than they normally should.. due to the oxidising environment caused by the oxygen.
On Finish Powerball tabs, the blue layer is the Enzymes, while the white layer is the oxygen bleach, and the red ball in the center is the rinse aid. By the detergent cup, slowly opening up, the blue layer gets it start on the dishes, before the white layer gets a chance to dissolve. You get improved enzymatic performance this way.
Even on older dishwashing formulations, such as chlorine based powders. Chlorine starts to die off at around maybe 8-10 minutes or so of bleaching action. By the Powder Detergent, slowly being dissolved and introduced into the wash, you'll continue to get a strong bleach action, as it's still being activated when the beginning dose is winding off.
Now.. to set the record straight. Chlorine doesn't completely die off... but, about 50-60% of it's performance will go. After that, it won't do so hot on tough stains, but, it will however continue to sanitize.
There's also another nice benefit to a gradual dispensing of detergent. Tablets don't get a chance to fall out, and get stuck. I've had problems with Finish Quantum multiple times, with this. Sometimes, they fall in the wrong area, and they get stuck on top of a plate, or bowl, or pan... and you end up with the detergent partly dissolved and still there at the end of the wash.
Instead.. with the Bosch detergent dispenser, the tablet stays in the cup, and the wash water gets sprayed in, and it's dissolved. So.. No more babysitting the tablets.
Another Thing.. I really like about the Bosch, is that it says you can put a silverware basket in the top rack. In our current model, whenever I've tried that.. the silverware would be covered in food, if it wasn't rinsed to death.
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Post# 758874 , Reply# 3   5/22/2014 at 11:28 (3,598 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 758895 , Reply# 4   5/22/2014 at 12:34 (3,598 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)   |   | |
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My Bosch dishwasher is about 9 years old. I haven't had any problems with it, and the inside still looks brand new. It cleans as well as the day I got it. My machine had the control module replaced as part of a recall. You should see if the machine you are looking at was part of the recall, and if the control was replaced. When the control module is replaced, they cut a corner off of the identity tag on the inside rim of the door.
I am not sure what you mean by a slow opening detergent cup. Soon after I hear the heater engage for the wash, the detergent cup will quickly slide open releasing the detergent into the wash. When I use hard detergent tabs (like Finish powerball), I can hear a thud as it drops out of the dispenser. Newer machines have a special place built into the basket that catches the tablet as it falls out of the dispenser. This post was last edited 05/22/2014 at 12:54 |
Post# 758896 , Reply# 5   5/22/2014 at 12:35 (3,598 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 759003 , Reply# 7   5/22/2014 at 21:46 (3,598 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Once a DD opens even a 1/4" all the detergent will quickly dissolve and will be quickly washed in to the water stream, and any DW that leaves part of a detergent tablet laying on a plate etc undissolved isn't worth a damn. I have always found that if a DW can not even resolve the detergent that is meant to dissolve easily it sure is not going to do a decent job cleaning hard to clean items.
I would love to see some documentation of these slow opening dispensers, I think it is more likely that your DD is broken. |
Post# 759005 , Reply# 8   5/22/2014 at 21:56 (3,598 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 759155 , Reply# 10   5/23/2014 at 18:43 (3,597 days old) by dascot (Scotland)   |   | |
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I have a 10yr old Siemens which still runs without missing a beat. Never needed a single repair, touch wood. |
Post# 759242 , Reply# 12   5/24/2014 at 08:31 (3,596 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Bosch dishwashers sold in the USA are made there too, no "Made in Germany" label on it or from another European country. Because of that the reliability of the American Bosch machines may be different too. Testifying about the reliability of the European machines says nothing about the American Bosch dishwashers.
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Post# 759244 , Reply# 13   5/24/2014 at 08:38 (3,596 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 759699 , Reply# 15   5/26/2014 at 19:47 (3,594 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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