Thread Number: 53826
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
1966 Maytag A806S - suds return video |
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Post# 761367   6/4/2014 at 00:58 (3,612 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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FYI it's also in Hi Def, so change the setting (on youtube) and watch it full screen if you wish! |
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Post# 761368 , Reply# 1   6/4/2014 at 01:12 (3,612 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 761384 , Reply# 2   6/4/2014 at 05:15 (3,612 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Post# 761398 , Reply# 3   6/4/2014 at 08:04 (3,612 days old) by scoots (Chattanooga TN)   |   | |
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Post# 761402 , Reply# 4   6/4/2014 at 08:46 (3,612 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 761445 , Reply# 5   6/4/2014 at 12:37 (3,612 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )   |   | |
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Post# 761446 , Reply# 6   6/4/2014 at 12:50 (3,612 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 761456 , Reply# 7   6/4/2014 at 13:53 (3,612 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 762135 , Reply# 8   6/7/2014 at 18:40 (3,609 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)   |   | |
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I've seen something on here that had a separate inlet at the top of the tub for suds return... what was it? |
Post# 762171 , Reply# 9   6/7/2014 at 21:36 (3,608 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 762245 , Reply# 10   6/8/2014 at 10:41 (3,608 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 762277 , Reply# 11   6/8/2014 at 13:52 (3,608 days old) by tnmike (Knoxville, Tennessee)   |   | |
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I was always curious about how the pumps primed themselves. Was a different pump used in these machines than in standard no suds return machines? I understand that the pump runs in reverse in some machines like the GE when agitating thus pumping water back through the drain hose. However from playing with these in earlier years, you would get an initial suction as the water that remains in the pump between cycles is forced back into the tub but once that happened, there was no more suction, if my memory serves me correctly. :)
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Post# 762338 , Reply# 12   6/8/2014 at 18:49 (3,608 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Hi Mike, On these Maytags as well as the KM/WP machines, they use one pump and it's the same as the "non-suds" models. How do they prime? When the machine saves the "suds" onto the tub / sink, the hose is already primed because tub / sink is full of water, so it's already primed. When I started to make this video, I filled the sink 1/2 full of water. But when I started the washer, it didn't suck the water in. A friend walked up and said "wait, you have to prime the hose first." He reset the timer on the washer to fill a little, then drained it into the tub, this way the pump and hose was primed. Kevin |
Post# 762354 , Reply# 13   6/8/2014 at 19:48 (3,607 days old) by tnmike (Knoxville, Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 762522 , Reply# 14   6/9/2014 at 15:03 (3,607 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Thanks everyone and you are very welcome! I'm happy you are all enjoying this video!
Bill (scoots) to answer your question about converting your 206 to a 206S. Yes you would need the correct timer, the suds return valve and associated wiring, the correct, additional drain hose that extends near the bottom of the tub. Essentially you'd have to strip all that off another washer, or from one that's already been stripped. It might be easier to just replace the entire machine with an "S" model if you can find one.
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Post# 763704 , Reply# 15   6/14/2014 at 21:37 (3,601 days old) by scoots (Chattanooga TN)   |   | |
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I asked about the conversion rather impulsively. When I stopped and counted backwards the number of components I'd have to replace, a better solution is just to wait for one to become available.
It's just that vintage washers/dryers come up so rarely in east TN it's hard to find something specific (e.g. Maytag, New Generation, Suds Savers, Hi-end model...) |
Post# 887401 , Reply# 16   6/29/2016 at 02:00 (2,856 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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I've been looking through the archives and using the Searchalator without success. Since I have no experience with a suds saver machine I was hoping someone would explain some things for me.
I'm sure this all sounds very simple and elementary to those of you that have one of these machines and if one were setting in front of me I'm sure I would discover all of this quite quickly. But trying to imagine this in my mind is somewhat bewildering. |
Post# 887451 , Reply# 17   6/29/2016 at 10:30 (2,856 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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The Return Suds portion of the timer is an independent portion of the timer, meaning that once the timer runs through each of the increments that it will stop and not advance further.
The user would then select the cycle of their choice, and with the full water level option, it will normally fill with some fresh water at the beginning of the cycle to then satisfy a full tub fill.
To save suds, this is where the Maytag differs greatly from a Whirlpool/Kenmore, as you have the choice to save your wash water with the SAVE SUDS button, rather than it being mandatory on a Whirlpool/Kenmore. With the SAVE SUDS option selected, the diverter will engage at the beginning of the spin drain, and will release just before all the water is saved, and flush the remaining down the drain. From what I've read/heard, this was meant to ensure that the same amount was saved so that fresh water would be added for the next suds return, and also any sediment would be flushed, rather than saved.
I agree - doing this in person is much easier than trying to digest this through instruction. And much more fun!
Ben |
Post# 887500 , Reply# 18   6/29/2016 at 18:05 (2,856 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Post# 887506 , Reply# 19   6/29/2016 at 19:31 (2,855 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The WP-KM SS is more automatic and more sophisticated in its operation.
The MT system when set for suds return the timer never moves, it just turns on the motor in the agitate direction and the two-way solenoid is energized, if you forget the washer when returning the suds water it will run all day, and if the holding tub has too much water in it [ unlikely ] the washer will quickly return all the water and over flow. After the water is returned you must reset the timer to a wash cycle. Because a MT washer spins as it drains any grit and sand will be saved in the suds tub, most of the sand and grit will go out as the washer starts to drain. It really does not make much difference because the sand and grit will just sit in the bottom of the suds storage tub anyway, but it does leave a bigger mess to clean up.
On the WP-KM system the timer will advance into the normal wash cycle after the water is returned, so you can be adding clothing as the water returns [ since the washer would return water and agitate with the lid open] and throw in a little more detergent and walk away. The water level control is also wired to turn off the two way valve when the WLS is satisfied. WP-KM generally did not use a [ suds-save suds-drain ] switch on their washers as it was completely unnecessary, if you didn't want to save the wash water you simply left the drain plug out of the drain and the wash water simply went down the drain. The WP-KM since they did a neutral drain the sand and grit tended to sit in the outer tub till the TWV turned off and the washer started to spin and spray rinse the S&G away.
After you returned wash water to a MT you still had to remove the drain plug and rinse out the sink anyway, if I were using the MT even if I did not want to save the water I would leave the switch on save and just take the drain plug out so the used wash water would rinse some of the accumulated sand and grit down the drain.
John L.
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Post# 887512 , Reply# 20   6/29/2016 at 20:14 (2,855 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Post# 887519 , Reply# 21   6/29/2016 at 22:42 (2,855 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 887521 , Reply# 22   6/29/2016 at 23:07 (2,855 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Don,
That's kinda what I thought when I heard you guys talking in the background about it advancing. I'll venture a guess and say it probably pauses through the Pre-Wash/Soak part of the cycle, which would take several minutes, and then starts up again at the wash section. That's actually kinda cool, if one wanted an extended soak, because the regular Soak cycle is only 1 minute of wash and 4 minutes of soak. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Brian |
Post# 888100 , Reply# 23   7/4/2016 at 16:37 (2,851 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 888105 , Reply# 24   7/4/2016 at 17:48 (2,851 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The MTs we sold in the 70s did not advance in the suds return timer position. Hi Don, does the pre-wash on your machine normally just advance into the main wash?, later the TOL MTS drained out the water after the PW and you could put liquid detergent in the FS cup and have it dispense into the main wash. |
Post# 888139 , Reply# 25   7/4/2016 at 23:23 (2,850 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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