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Post# 763189   6/12/2014 at 08:14 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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These were great.

I think Sears was putting Kenmore on these after they dropped the Coldspot Badge

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Post# 763192 , Reply# 1   6/12/2014 at 08:24 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Whirlpool 18,000

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Post# 763194 , Reply# 2   6/12/2014 at 08:28 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Energy Efficient ???

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If it has Wood Grain, Not so much.

GE. These were good.

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Post# 763198 , Reply# 3   6/12/2014 at 08:56 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Signature A/C

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Who made these for Wards ? Looks like a Thomas Edison. They kicked butt in their days.

30,000. Serious A/C

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Post# 763200 , Reply# 4   6/12/2014 at 08:59 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Emerson Quiet Kool

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One of the first models Emerson made. I'd say around 1969-1970

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Post# 763208 , Reply# 5   6/12/2014 at 10:21 (2,083 days old) by bluejay (Havre de Grace, MD)        

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My parents had 2 of those Kenmore units up until about 1990 or so.  They were awesome!  I wish we had kept them, as the newer ones don't seem to blow as cold.

Post# 763213 , Reply# 6   6/12/2014 at 10:57 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Carry Cool

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Hotpoint's version of the Fasionette Series

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Post# 763220 , Reply# 7   6/12/2014 at 11:45 (2,083 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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That 8,000 BTU Kenmore was the exact AC my parents had in their bedroom at the vacation house for 30 yrs. It was still working when replaced for another new Kenmore unit in 2009. While it is smaller, quieter and more energy efficient, the quality certainly has vanished.  I had the 6000 BTU model in my bedroom.

Post# 763239 , Reply# 8   6/12/2014 at 13:09 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Another Carry Cool

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With Genuine Imitation Wood Grain.

These cooled very well that I can recall.

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Post# 763288 , Reply# 9   6/12/2014 at 16:22 (2,083 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I have a MW Signature similar to the one you posted but 15,000 BTU.


Montgomery Ward Signature 15,000 BTU a/c


They were made by Frigidaire (GM). 


Here's a 115V 12,600 BTU that I have, it's much larger than the 15,000 BTU Signature I have and just two inches narrower and two inches shorter and it's even 1/8" longer then the big 30,000 unit. 


1974 Frigidaire air conditioner




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Post# 763335 , Reply# 10   6/12/2014 at 19:57 (2,083 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Nice Phil

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The old A/Cs cooled sooooo much better.

We had 2 Fedders "Weather Wheels". They cooled like all get out. I have been looking for one I saw on CL, but they must have deleted the post.

Post# 764557 , Reply# 11   6/19/2014 at 08:05 (2,076 days old) by searsbest (Attleboro, Ma)        
Carry Cool

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I still have the sears version of the carry cool, only use it when guests come still a great air conditioner, COLD! and fairly quiet for its age, the side panels are even intact

Post# 764642 , Reply# 12   6/19/2014 at 18:41 (2,076 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I got another a/c this weekend. A small 5950 BTU Frigidaire from 1978 that was advertised on Craigslist in New Hampshire. it works great and it has the "Electri-Saver" feature that's lacking on my other air conditioners.

It's the exact same size as the 1971 8000 BTU unit I got last year.




Post# 764711 , Reply# 13   6/20/2014 at 07:26 (2,075 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Nice Score Phil

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Wouldn't you say 1978 was approaching the end of "Ice Cold Air" ?

Post# 764745 , Reply# 14   6/20/2014 at 12:08 (2,075 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I don't know, I don't see why later systems still using R-22 refrigerant would be less effective. I never had one new enough to have anything else. I have a 10,000 BTU Fedders (not a weather wheel unit) that's about 12 years old (it's new enough to have a remote control and it's still made in the USA) and it cools very well but it's noise level is very high and it makes the whole house vibrate when the compressor kicks in (I don't use it anymore). The Fedders also lacks the feature that makes the fan stop when the thermostat opens. There's an energy saver mode on the Fedders but I never really figured what it really does. I think it just keeps the 3 speed fan on low speed... And the plastic front is starting to get yellowish, I'd rather have an A/C with a beige, dark brown or woodgrain cover than a white one that gets yellow (just like those white plastic refrigerator door handles from the late nineties).


The Frigidaire appears noisy in this video but it really isn't!



Post# 765066 , Reply# 15   6/21/2014 at 22:49 (2,074 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

My parents had a 10,000 btu Norge with a wood (not wood grain) front. It was bought in the spring of 1964 and cooled our different apartments and house for years. The air that came out was ice cold. Mom hung a curtain at the top of the stairs. Upstairs stayed cool and downstairs comfortable.

In '87 I was working at Caldor and bought an 5,000 btu Emerson Quiet Cool for my room, parents bought another for their own room and the Norge moved downstairs to the dining room. The Norge wound up getting loaned to a friend who needed one and from there to another, and another, and another... My parents lost track of it about 10(?) years ago and as of then it was still humming just as smoothly as it was in 1964. Not one single problem ever!

Post# 765069 , Reply# 16   6/21/2014 at 22:54 (2,074 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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just to interrupt the fun here - I like this thread, thanks for the interesting photos and comments. I have seen the Emerson Quiet Kool mentioned before, but it's the older ones from the 70s or 80s that are favored?

thanks again.

Post# 765090 , Reply# 17   6/22/2014 at 02:44 (2,073 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Hopefully nobody smoked around any of these. In college I had an apartment that had a through the wall A/C & Heating unit. Whenever you turned the thing on it smelled like an old ashtray for quite some time. Never could get the smell out of it.

Post# 765113 , Reply# 18   6/22/2014 at 07:46 (2,073 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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an oldie but goodie.......I grew up with one of these......just a unique looking model....

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Post# 765115 , Reply# 19   6/22/2014 at 07:48 (2,073 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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still some around......

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Post# 765234 , Reply# 20   6/22/2014 at 16:42 (2,073 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Nice thing about those a/c's (reply #18) was that you could aim the air where you wanted it. That's important when placement is not the best for overall cooling. With a lot of the newer units the direction is very limited; you can move the levers to your heart's content, but the direction of air flow doesn't change muchcry

Post# 765279 , Reply# 21   6/22/2014 at 21:07 (2,073 days old) by washer111 ()        
Frigidaire Unit - PhilR

I'm wondering what the "Electri-Saver" button is doing on this model...


Is it cycling the fan, or eliminating something else from the circuit, or perhaps allowing a greater swing in temperature between cycles?

Post# 765294 , Reply# 22   6/22/2014 at 22:05 (2,073 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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The Electri-Saver mode is cycling the fan off at the same time as the compressor when the thermostat opens.  

Post# 766031 , Reply# 23   6/25/2014 at 23:34 (2,070 days old) by newvista58 (Northern NJ)        

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and Absolutely NO Reply back. I love the old
Circular Vent A/C units. I definitely want
this one, and Yogitunes said he would bring it
back for me, from Pittsburgh this weekend, on the
way back from Jerry's Wash-In.

Seemed Ideal. Except it's another CL Bozo playing
games. I know it's Rhetorical.....But What Is the
Use of Posting an Ad if you Refuse to Respond to a
Prospective Buyer?

Geesh....So Close yet So far.

Thanks Martin for offering to fetch it for me.
Looks like I'm SOL, thanks to the Seller.



Post# 766295 , Reply# 24   6/27/2014 at 05:31 (2,068 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Electri-Saver mode

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"Electri-Saver mode is cycling the fan off at the same time as the compressor when the thermostat opens. "

My newish Friedrich Wallmaster does this if one selects the power saver mode. After initial misgivings quite fancy it!

Makes sense as well not to blow recirculate dry cool air through the AC when the condenser is not on. This way the air does not pick up moisture from inside the AC and spread it around.

Have a huge then or so year old commercial fan that we use with or without the AC. When the AC is on is helps push and circulate the air further and more effectively than the wall unit can. Fan will also move the cooled and dry indoor air about when the AC is cycled off (fan and condenser) with the "energy saver" option.

Post# 766319 , Reply# 25   6/27/2014 at 09:12 (2,068 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Friedrich units with non-electronic controls for many years have featured a small heating resistor (anticipator) clamped to the thermostat sensing bulb to help trigger them to cycle-on within a reasonable time-frame when run on the energy saver setting.  This also promotes better humidity control.

Windows units that don't have this design tend to lag in responding to the room temp in energy-saver mode because the thermostat sensing bulb is near or clamped to the evaporator coil, which remains cold for some while after the unit cycles off with no airflow.

Electronic-control units (of any brand) may run the fan briefly every 10 mins or whatever is the design cycle when "off" to refresh the thermostat on the room temp ... and/or feature a remote control with temp sensor that can be placed in the room away from the unit.

Post# 766374 , Reply# 26   6/27/2014 at 15:28 (2,068 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Yes, when using "energy savings" settings every ten or so minutes (forget which)the Friedrich Wallmaster will power on just the fan. IIRC from the manual this is done to "test" room air to test current indoor room temp. You can here a slight click if the condenser comes on.

Post# 766397 , Reply# 27   6/27/2014 at 20:12 (2,068 days old) by washer111 ()        

All very interesting. Thanks for the response to my question above!


I don't believe I've seen a wall unit here in Australia with such a feature - but I haven't seen all that many units, so maybe I'm missing something. 

It certainly doesn't seem common on modern ones!

Post# 766406 , Reply# 28   6/27/2014 at 21:49 (2,068 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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My Frigidaire as well as my Hotpoint a/c with the Electri-Saver/Econo modes don't cycle back on as quickly on this mode because of what DADoES explains. The sensing bulb gets colder for a while as it's next to the evaporator that keeps it cool for a while after it cycles off... It's still useful when you want it to keep a room cool while your not there. I have another a/c that is controlled by a line thermostat on the outlet as it doesn't have the "econo" mode. It works but I had the bad idea to locate the thermostat just below the a/c so it also gets the cool air from the evaporator once the a/c shuts off and takes a while to switch back on. Again, this is good to use when you're not around and you don't want the fan to run constantly. 

Post# 766721 , Reply# 29   6/29/2014 at 12:44 (2,066 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Here's some Emerson Quiet Kools

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1) Emerson Quiet Kool Air Conditioner - $35 (roxborough)

2) EMERSON QUIET KOOL - $45 (North Hampton) -

3) Emerson Large A/C - $200 (Battle Ground) -

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Post# 773524 , Reply# 30   7/28/2014 at 00:06 (2,038 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
Frigidaire Deluxe A/C in Georgia

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Not pretty but if I'd be close to it, I'd buy it anyway and I'd try to make it look better! Looks like a 1961 model. 

Phil, that's not too far from you! (but I guess you have absolutely no interest for that thing!).


And a good description with plenty of pictures and details including the important dimensions! 



"Do not have truck so has to be picked up in Thomaston GA

The unit is old but works great - Asking 45$ obo (if you get today I will be more flexible on price)
Frigidaire Deluxe 230v 60 cycle cooling 12,000 BTU 97 Amps 
Measures about 26"w - 27"d - 16"t - weighs a good bit
Not the prettiest unit but cooling makes up for older appearance and wear"

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Post# 773526 , Reply# 31   7/28/2014 at 00:18 (2,038 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Another one I'd like to have if it was closer!


We have a 15000 BTU per hour 220 Frigidaire window air conditioner. It's an older model and not pretty, but works great and still blows very cold air. It is 220 not 110. It has the big plug like a stove. We are asking $100 (cash only). It's big and heavy. It might fit in a large trunk, but I would use a truck/SUV instead. Please email with any questions.

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Post# 773528 , Reply# 32   7/28/2014 at 00:41 (2,038 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
One more in Columbus.

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Its a older Frigidaire window air conditioner. It is 12000 BTU and has been in storage since my house A/C was installed . Its approx 26inches wide and 16inches tall. Its now out of the window and on a stand but you can still plug it in to see how cold it gets. No trades considered. Cash only.
Its very heavy so if you buy it you will need to bring help to move it to your car I'm unable to.

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Post# 773530 , Reply# 33   7/28/2014 at 00:57 (2,038 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
Madison Wisconsin

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Early 1970s and by GM... The front panel on the picture is reversed so it might be broken but it's just $20!


(circa 1980's?) Frigidaire brand by GE electric. works good but is an old dinosaur. heavier than sin. will work great for someone who is not worried about the electric bill! you want it it can be yours for a low low price of $20. i just want it out of here since we now have central air. first come first serve. cash or paypal only. please email.

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Post# 773536 , Reply# 34   7/28/2014 at 04:35 (2,037 days old) by retromania (Anderson, SC )        

As much Frigidaire stuff that was around, I never saw a Frigidaire window a/c.

Post# 773539 , Reply# 35   7/28/2014 at 04:55 (2,037 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Fridgidaire A/C

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Notice how a few of the ads say how cold the air is.

That was true for most of that vintage. Chrysler Airtemp, Carrier, Fedders, GE, and I can remember Vornado too. You could keep sides of beef in the living room or wherever these were installed.

I can remember my friend's house had a Vornado in their kitchen. Family of 8, and Mrs. Natale would be cooking away in the middle of the summer on a Gas Range and you almost needed a sweatshirt to sit in that kitchen.

And that was during a New Jersey summer.

Post# 773542 , Reply# 36   7/28/2014 at 05:12 (2,037 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Quiet Kool

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Post# 773543 , Reply# 37   7/28/2014 at 05:14 (2,037 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Lousy Pic.

I wonder if this is the "Super Thrust" series ?

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Post# 773562 , Reply# 38   7/28/2014 at 08:20 (2,037 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Reply 30 and 32 - PhilR

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Hey Phil - I wouldn't mind but two problems - back just healing and a torn bicep tendon(happened different times). It's two hours from us, roughly. I like A/C's - even if I can't use one here or at the house in Michigan.
I really like that one reply#30, too. Sorry I couldn't help you out.

Post# 773575 , Reply# 39   7/28/2014 at 11:58 (2,037 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Don't worry, I didn't want you to grab it for me! I already have quite a few that I found closer to the Canadian border (still searching for one of those Canadian models!)  See the wanted ad I placed a few days ago on Kijiji!


As I expected, 0 replies so far! But I thought it was worth a try. After all, Paul did something similar a few years ago and I replied to his "wanted" ad on Craigslist. I didn't have what he wanted but I made a great friend and he made me subscribe here!


Maybe I should translate that in English and post it in other cities! 


Post# 773581 , Reply# 40   7/28/2014 at 12:50 (2,037 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Yeah, I didn't really think you were "fishing" but I was equally offering if all else was good(physical condition).
Sure, post in English - never hurts to try...unlike lifting tonnage, sometimes. LOL. :-)

Post# 775288 , Reply# 41   8/4/2014 at 00:29 (2,031 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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1967 Frigidaire in Utah

Post# 775310 , Reply# 42   8/4/2014 at 04:39 (2,030 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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That's Beautiful.

Post# 775349 , Reply# 43   8/4/2014 at 11:19 (2,030 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I have one just like the last one that Martin got for me last year. It works great and I like the way it blows cold air through the front grille. Because the air is blown by a fan through the evaporator behind that large opening, the air draft isn't too strong and the air that gets out seems very cold.


Post# 775439 , Reply# 44   8/4/2014 at 19:25 (2,030 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Do Older Window A/Cs Blow Colder Air

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Not Necessarily, A/Cs that cool the air 20 or slightly more degrees per pass are generally MUCH LESS efficient and yes most older A/Cs are less efficient when it comes to running cost, many older A/Cs cost twice to as much as three times as much to run.

BUT there were quite a few Hi Efficiency A/Cs dating back to the 1950s and earlier and like modern units these A/Cs usually cooled the air passing through only 10-15 degrees per pass. These more efficient A/Cs not only produced a more comfortable room by not blasting out such cold air but lasted much longer than low efficiency units with over-sized compressors that ran high head pressures with undersized condensers.

Like inefficient frost-free refs from the 60s-the 70s, low efficiency window and central A/Cs that were actually used a lot did not last nearly as long, and while it is fun to turn on these older A/Cs and feel the frigid air blasting out it is like being obese and eating fried food and fatty red meats all day, it does not last.

We have a collection of about 10 classic A/Cs at the warehouse that includes both hi and low efficiency models.

John L.

Post# 775459 , Reply# 45   8/4/2014 at 20:35 (2,030 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
My 2010 25,000 BTU/H KM A/C.

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Am using it to cool the whole house. Currently room temp is 22.7C. A/C discharge air is 0.3C. This is an energy star unit and is dropping the temp over 21C in one pass. Quite impressive!

Post# 775490 , Reply# 46   8/4/2014 at 23:01 (2,030 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I didn't mean this a/c was being efficient or that it felt like it was producing colder than modern units as a lot of people like to say about vintage units...


In fact, there are even more inefficient air conditioners but this one is still far from being efficient with an EER of 6.


I have an oversized 12600 BTU air conditioner from 1974 that uses almost the same wattage as this 7800 BTU from 1967 but I like how the cooled air comes out on the 1967, being blown through the evaporator by a small low-CFM fan with blades instead of being pulled through the evaporator by a powerful squirrel-cage blower.


On low speed, it almost feels like you're staying in front of a freezer door that you just opened. Almost no draft. That's what I like about it!


See the tags on both units... The 1967 air conditioner (photos #1-2) has EER of 6 and the 1974 air conditioner (#3-4) has an EER of 9.6.  I also have a GE Carry Cool air conditioner from 1983 (#5-6) with an EER of 6.4 and a relatively large 15,000 BTU Montgomery Ward air conditioner from the mid-1970s with an EER of 5.4 (#7)...


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Post# 776655 , Reply# 47   8/10/2014 at 23:26 (2,024 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
A vertical 8000 BTU model from 1971-72

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