Thread Number: 54019
Bendix automatic Home Washer MODEL D (511) |
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Post# 763573   6/14/2014 at 11:31 (3,595 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 763612 , Reply# 32   6/14/2014 at 12:33 (3,595 days old) by ken (NYS)   |   | |
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Post# 763613 , Reply# 33   6/14/2014 at 12:34 (3,595 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 763619 , Reply# 38   6/14/2014 at 12:55 (3,595 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 763623 , Reply# 39   6/14/2014 at 13:48 (3,595 days old) by chanceskydiver (West Linton)   |   | |
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Wow that is truly amazing that been well looked after by new owner. You deserve it :) |
Post# 763629 , Reply# 40   6/14/2014 at 14:23 (3,595 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Wow well done Lee. It's in fantastic condition considering its age and the hoses bar the drain one look in good nick too. Love the way the soap dispenser looks like a sink plug hole! And brilliant that you had all the paperwork too. What was the story behind the machine? Well done and look forward to seeing some videos of it running soon
Steve :) |
Post# 763632 , Reply# 41   6/14/2014 at 14:34 (3,595 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK))   |   | |
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Congratulations on your latest acquisition Lee, you certainly wouldn't think she's 57. Look forward to seeing more Ian |
Post# 763633 , Reply# 42   6/14/2014 at 14:40 (3,595 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 763635 , Reply# 43   6/14/2014 at 14:55 (3,595 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 763654 , Reply# 44   6/14/2014 at 15:56 (3,595 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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U S models used the same thing, to my way of thinking, that was the best idea ever! It looks like a very early 1950s US model. |
Post# 763658 , Reply# 45   6/14/2014 at 16:21 (3,595 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool)   |   | |
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Post# 763739 , Reply# 47   6/15/2014 at 03:35 (3,595 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)   |   | |
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Well done I have one too but it's been well used and needs re spraying , I've still not got around to it , I know you can buy black hose of any diameter length from halfords to fashion up a drain hose ?
Thinking about how brilliant you do your resprays , how about you have mine and I'll have this one !! I look forward to seeing it go, mine needs new bearings and rubber and possible re wiring , if anyone knows of any parts let me know. Cheers Richard |
Post# 763754 , Reply# 48   6/15/2014 at 07:16 (3,595 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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ah Lee it has been a bit of journey to get this but what a fantastic prize at the end of it.
It has ended up with some one who has the skills and patience (some times :-) ) to restore it My mouth was hanging open all the time I was looking at the pictures..............beautiful beautiful machinery, no messing built to last and do the job. I am so pleased for you matey. Great pictures for us to see aswell nice touch. I wish all the success in the world with this baby Gary Success was not achieved with one I saved for mike, parked outside my front door some scrap metal dealer decided it would be better on the back of his truck!
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Post# 763799 , Reply# 50   6/15/2014 at 12:22 (3,594 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Conratulations Lee on finally getting the beloved Bendix, great pics and storyline, and superb condition, mines worse than Ricky`s ha ha... Darren has a lot of experience in all parts Bendix UK including bearings etc, so lots of knowledge as well as Jon and the lads in the states.
One think SESteve said about the top dispenser being like a plug hole, just thinking those large diameter waste disposer sink gaskets could work a treat!! And heres the pic of the factory where the Bendix was made!! Enjoy...
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Post# 763821 , Reply# 52   6/15/2014 at 15:15 (3,594 days old) by ldnlad87 (England )   |   | |
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Amazing machine, saw this on eBay a couple of weeks back, glad it's on here so we can get to see it in all it's glory |
Post# 763825 , Reply# 53   6/15/2014 at 15:51 (3,594 days old) by slowspin66 (lincoln uk)   |   | |
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The machine is in really great condition …… Whats the story behind it's history. The semi automatic one I have was left almost for dead a good few years ago when i spotted it on Ebay. Really enjoyed getting it back together . Please keep us all up to date with the progress. Well done and enjoy. Darren
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Post# 763845 , Reply# 54   6/15/2014 at 17:57 (3,594 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)   |   | |
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Post# 764008 , Reply# 55   6/16/2014 at 15:22 (3,593 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Hi everyone, the story
I spotted the Bendix on eBay and thought that’s not to far from me but do I want it, living at home with your parents and clogging up there garage with another machine making seven in residence and not much room to move. Anyway I had missed out on a vintage TV which I have an interest in restoring too. My step dad saw the listing for the Bendix and sed why not go for that and I will take you to fetch it. That was the result I wanted and so the wait for the last day of the auction started. I reduced the numbers by letting the Tricity Bendix AW1053 go, well I had it fostered by a work colleague who was desperate for a machine, its hard letting go of them but I now it’s being looked after and will be treated well. The last minuet was a fury off bidding and it reached my limit of £500 but chanced £512 and won it for £511.11, hell that’s a lot of money and that’s why it’s now know as the Bendix 511 I paid with PayPal and then the worrying started, no contact from the seller not a word no contact details came up on eBay, panic set in, £511 quid is a lot of money. Luckily Gary, Mike and Mathew and some other members saw the machine re-listed a few days later, not for sale but asking the wining bidder to contact him as his computer had crashed and frozen completely. Gary gave the phone number a call and it would not connect, he noticed that a digit was missing and tried again and spoke to the seller, fantastic. I then spent the next two days trying to contact the seller and started to panic yet again with no response, what’s going on do I trust this man. Eventually I did make contact and he seemed OK but more trouble followed when he asked for cash on collection, I have paid with PayPal but he can’t accept the payment with no computer and all his accounts had been locked out including eBay and PayPal. The payment had cleared my account by this time. So I contacted eBay for assistance which was useless and was informed that I would have to wait 10 days before a case would be instigated and a further 10 day till a claim would be made. I the mean time the seller had also made contact with eBay and meet the same response. I then contacted PayPal who where very helpful, on checking the amount of the transaction they froze the Paypal payment and skipped the first ten days and went straight for a claim to get my £511.11 back. With that piece of mind that the money was safe and would come back I set about scrapping the cash together. I spent another two day trying to contact the seller and made the date to collect the machine. The story of the machine, it was the seller’s grand mothers and she had died aged 92 and the house and all with in had been inherited by his farther, selling on to his son the seller. The machine had been fitted new and the grandmother never used it much preferring the old way of washing with a wash board, hard soap and boiling on the stove top. The machine had not travelled far too its first home in Bromsgrove seems as it was built in Birmingham and its journey into Wales was the furthest it had every travelled. The original inlet pipes still attached with one original bendix hot tap attached to the one hose. The house has been total stripped, walls, ceiling the lot had gone, I was looking forward to seeing some of the period features. The machine had been un-bolted and moved to the front room, and covered with old cloth for protection. Cash exchanged and the slog to get it into the truck started, what a weight but it slotted in the back just right. |
Post# 764009 , Reply# 56   6/16/2014 at 15:26 (3,593 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764026 , Reply# 65   6/16/2014 at 15:55 (3,593 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Fitted an old 13amp plug to the other end of the new lead and carried out some continuity testes.
Ho, live to earth fault and neutral to earth fault, no point plugging the old lady in she would just pop the RCD. I will have to test each component in turn to find which one is to blame and rectify it. It could be anything but I’m betting it’s the motor start capacitor gone short circuit. More soon :-) |
Post# 764030 , Reply# 66   6/16/2014 at 16:14 (3,593 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764159 , Reply# 67   6/17/2014 at 05:49 (3,593 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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you get to the bottom of the problem. You can see where the mouse has nibbled the wiring diagram!! I've had a couple of appliances now where a mouse has made its home and they do like to nibble the insulation on the cables so it looks like you have been lucky as your cables seem intact. Hopefully it is simple to find and sort out :)
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Post# 764173 , Reply# 68   6/17/2014 at 08:00 (3,593 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 764235 , Reply# 69   6/17/2014 at 15:27 (3,592 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Evening all
Spent some time checking out this earth fault, odd readings all over the place, very confusing indeed. So, something is amiss but what? I decided to check each electrical item individual one at a time disconnecting it completely from the wiring harness, everything checks out for continuity of the windings and nothing is going to earth, rechecked the reading on the plug and no earth fault, so I have disturbed something along the way, maybe Mr Mouse has nibbled a wire that I can’t see. Whilst on my hands and knees probing with the meter I found those elusive thermostats in the wiring diagram on the right hand side of the tub hiding under the very large tub seam, the plate holding the assembly looks like it could house a heating element, but blanking rods are installed in those holes. I’m still a little bewildered as to there function, the machine dose not have a heater, very intriguing, I wonder what the temperature setting is. Also while crawling around on the floor I worked by hand the drain valve which was stuck, after a few movements back and forth the valve freed nicely, let’s hope she is water tight!! Tomorrow I will test the machine with the PAT tester and if a satisfactory result is achieved I will then bite the bullet and show the old lady some mains, I’m not normally so careful dam right reckless normally and just plug in and see the bang but being such an old girl and with electrical parts that are nearly impossible to get replacements it’s better to take care and not damage anything unduly if I can help it. Lee |
Post# 764396 , Reply# 70   6/18/2014 at 14:00 (3,591 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)   |   | |
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Hi lee my bendix lt although having a heater has thermostats near where the inlet water fills in. It's because if you select hot it will wash at the temp of incoming water. Select warm and if the hot water is too hot it squirts cold in to make a perfect warm so that's what those thermostats are for. Quite clever really. In reality because my hot water comes from a gas combi rather than old fashioned very hot tank. I select hot and let washer fill and water temp is perfect 40c by the time clothes have cooled it down.
I might need you up north to fettle mine as you're more adept with electric than me !! Good luck Richard |
Post# 764403 , Reply# 71   6/18/2014 at 14:47 (3,591 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Evening all
SHE RUNS All the electrical parts have checked out, so we went for broke and plugged the old lady in. Timer running and clicking and advancing. Both water valves working. Drain solenoid working. Motor wouldn’t run to start with, I could hear the start windings groaning so a put a thick gardening glove on and pushed the drum pulley, and off she went. The centrifugal switch had stuck but works fine now. I had put a peg in the water float to fool the machine into thinking it was full off water or the valves stay open all the time it’s washing. Timer advanced to the first drain but no spin I thought the gear shift solenoid wasn’t working but then noticed the wiring diagram, it’s in circuit with the float switch so I released the peg, float dropped and the solenoid snapped in and we have spin. Video of machine tumble draining and then into top speed spin, which I will measure the rpm’s some time. So onto water testing!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO hotpoint95622's LINK |
Post# 764406 , Reply# 72   6/18/2014 at 14:54 (3,591 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Post# 764407 , Reply# 73   6/18/2014 at 15:07 (3,591 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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NO swap NO deal Mr Banker
I’m relived Gary that she runs. Advice sort, the drive unit, should it be full of some sort of oil? I see a little pipe sticking up on the top is that for topping up the levels? Would any one happen to have any information about the drive unit? The unit got hot only after a few minuets of running I don’t want to cook anything. |
Post# 764544 , Reply# 77   6/19/2014 at 05:03 (3,591 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)   |   | |
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Here is a link to the thread where I found the correct oil for mine about £7 I think but it will do a few machines. Filling is tricky as it burps out oil. It should make it quieter
Richard CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK |
Post# 764549 , Reply# 78   6/19/2014 at 06:12 (3,591 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Nice machine in great shape, you came out ahead at 511 pounds! Because the higher the price the better the machine is so restoring gets a big boost. If you bought it for 50 pounds you'd be scrapping parts for 2 or more years down the road, what's cheaper 2 years of your time or the 500 pounds? I bet the 500 pounds!
I was gonna suggest your start switch was stuck "on"- engaged, inside the motor giving you all those crazy grounds. But seems you have found the problem- sitting too long unused. Thats not a bad problem to have! As to the tranny oil Bendix trannys have a slipping clutch that uses oil that can be squeezed in and out between the layers of clutch plates inside the tranny. Ricky points to HYD ISO 32 - this is traditional gear oil. The HYD is hydpoid which means the quality of the cut of the gears inside. ISO32 translates to gear oil weight of 75-80 SAE number. These oils unlike engine or transmission oil usually have no detergents added. Inside your tranny are copper parts, detergents will degrade those parts. So look for a "hypoid gear oil" non-detergent - 75-85 SAE weight. On our trannys Bendix provided another plug somewhere along the side of the tranny case. I see your plug under the solenoid in picture #22 above. You opened that , drained out the old oil , left it open and started filling through the tube on the top you mentioned. Once you start to see oil dribble out of the side plug then you know you have the correct fill for the tranny. Thicker oils may burp out a little the first few spins so try to get the 75 weight if you can. Just keep a rag under the tranny till she settles out after 3-4 spins.
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Post# 764601 , Reply# 79   6/19/2014 at 14:54 (3,590 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764606 , Reply# 84   6/19/2014 at 15:17 (3,590 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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The moment of truth is here, one watering can off water and
NO She’s not water tight, the sump filter leaks like a sieve :-( I bathed the rubber seal in hot soapy water to soften it and turned it complete over so the outside edge was on the inside, more water added but still the water pored out. Still the pump dose pump and discharged the water very fast along with loads of the mousse leftovers. So I need some rubber sheet to make a new seal. More to follow….. :-) |
Post# 764613 , Reply# 85   6/19/2014 at 16:16 (3,590 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)   |   | |
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Post# 764709 , Reply# 87   6/20/2014 at 07:14 (3,590 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 764753 , Reply# 89   6/20/2014 at 13:51 (3,589 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764756 , Reply# 91   6/20/2014 at 13:57 (3,589 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Now what to use….
If I had an old door boot I could cut something out of that, but I don’t have one. A sheet of rubber pond liner, yes I have some of that, but it’s to thin and the latch isn’t tight. Ho I now, I will sacrifice one of my rubber car mats I have in the boot. Cut a ring out of the middle thickest part. |
Post# 764758 , Reply# 92   6/20/2014 at 13:58 (3,589 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764762 , Reply# 95   6/20/2014 at 14:08 (3,589 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764766 , Reply# 96   6/20/2014 at 14:39 (3,589 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Lee nothing lasts now days, my Grandads personal irrigation pipe lasted him 80 years and then it got handed on to my dad so it must be about 110 years old not a crack nothing, as smooth as the day it came out of the London Rubber Companies doors.
I have done a quick letter of complaint to Watchdog on your behalf Gary |
Post# 764861 , Reply# 98   6/21/2014 at 02:57 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Because Bendix laundry was produced under licence, many firms in the UK produced their parts, Fisher & Ludlow produced all the frame pressings and others, many parts where all sourced from the West Midlands, The Black Country, the timers made by Chamberlain & Hookham Ltd, Birmingham - I believe they where also assembled at the East Lancs Road factory in Liverpool as well...again where the big English Electric factory was, makes sense really, best of all!!
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Post# 764862 , Reply# 99   6/21/2014 at 03:04 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Morning Lee, have never seen an old wesher that doesnt need pipework replaced, those clips are usually the issue, cutting into the rubber, I usually but hose clamps on new pipes, much safer than trying to get them back on without an eye injury!!
Got to storage and found the Bendix parts when you need any - Darren C and myself got them from Ians shop in Stamford when he was closing, mainly for the smaller bolt down machine.....
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Post# 764863 , Reply# 100   6/21/2014 at 03:08 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764864 , Reply# 101   6/21/2014 at 03:13 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764865 , Reply# 102   6/21/2014 at 03:15 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764866 , Reply# 103   6/21/2014 at 03:17 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764867 , Reply# 104   6/21/2014 at 03:20 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764868 , Reply# 105   6/21/2014 at 03:24 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764869 , Reply# 106   6/21/2014 at 03:28 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764870 , Reply# 107   6/21/2014 at 03:30 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764871 , Reply# 108   6/21/2014 at 03:33 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764894 , Reply# 111   6/21/2014 at 09:00 (3,589 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764919 , Reply# 129   6/21/2014 at 09:57 (3,589 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 764927 , Reply# 131   6/21/2014 at 10:11 (3,589 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Lee this is just brilliant mate step by step you are getting there, who cares if you mums Niagara falls water feature doesn't work any more! great thinking on using the pipe.
Those valves should come through but if Mikes are complete yeah why not change them, I am loving this thread it is along time since we had such an interesting restoration going on. Great stuff thanks Gary |
Post# 764933 , Reply# 132   6/21/2014 at 10:32 (3,589 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 764936 , Reply# 133   6/21/2014 at 10:44 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Glad you’re enjoying it Gary.
I am very pleased with the progress and having a ball working on the beast, it’s like working on a proper vintage car. Link to another video. CLICK HERE TO GO TO hotpoint95622's LINK |
Post# 764940 , Reply# 134   6/21/2014 at 11:02 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Hi Mike
It’s nice to now that the top electrical part came separately as a spare part, I’m sure both coils are working and will strip the unit down when I find time I’m sure it’s the scale jamming them up and maybe the rubber parts have all perished, I’m also working an a Bush consol TV from the same vintage year of 1957 which is coming along well too. |
Post# 764942 , Reply# 135   6/21/2014 at 11:38 (3,588 days old) by fido ()   |   | |
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Thanks for the updates, good stuff! |
Post# 764945 , Reply# 136   6/21/2014 at 12:21 (3,588 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Congratulation lee on the continued good work. For hoses it might be worth try car heater hose which you can buy by the metre in Halfords. I have used this successfully on a HM 3334. Its a bit more flexible than garden hose so if its a bit tight soaking the end in hot water may make it a bot more flexible. You might also find lubricating whatever you might be putting it into with a little bit of washing up liquid too.
good luck Al |
Post# 765102 , Reply# 137   6/22/2014 at 06:20 (3,588 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)   |   | |
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Hi lee you probably know this but are you sure the cold fill valve is faulty. It will only kick in in warm wash when enough hot water had been used to kick the thermostat in. Also rinses are likely to be warm and the same will apply there. That's how the lt works so it may be the same it might be worth trying hot water to see if cold water one works at same time.
I could be wrong though as only going on what I know about my bendix. My model d is still sitting in garage Richard |
Post# 765158 , Reply# 139   6/22/2014 at 08:57 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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How’s it going chaps?
Richard you right with the cold valve, as I see it on the hot wash setting only the hot valve is energized, while on a warm wash the stats play a part, filling starts with hot only when the temperature triggers the contacts the cold valve becomes energized for mixed fill. I think its mixed fill on rinsing but until she’s running properly I can’t say for definite. Onto today’s tinkering. Firstly some oil for the drive unit, I tried to remove the drain plug from the bottom but couldn’t shift it at all. I then tried the smaller one to the left, again it would not shift and the square top part started twisting so no chance of removing that one. |
Post# 765162 , Reply# 140   6/22/2014 at 09:03 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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How much to put in then, I added about 200ml if I have over filled it will most likely spill out of the filling spout.
Result, the drive is noticeably quieter when running and has made no difference to speed. Which starts off fast and slows down with in a few seconds. Hopefully the oil I have chosen will do no harm. |
Post# 765164 , Reply# 141   6/22/2014 at 09:06 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 765171 , Reply# 143   6/22/2014 at 09:16 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Hot valve disassembled what a pig the get apart, components laid out.
On the right we have the retaining nut. Brass bell ended tub which houses the piston. Centre of the photo is the piston. To the left the housing with a rubber washer inside, which I can’t get at. Last on the left the float switch tube rinsing spout. |
Post# 765173 , Reply# 144   6/22/2014 at 09:19 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 765184 , Reply# 149   6/22/2014 at 09:48 (3,588 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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You can just see the piston of the cold valve in this photo.
Testing time, the hose was lashed up and power applied, one off the biggest failures I have ever had. Hot valve just continues to dribble with or with out the coil energized. Cold valve just a tiny dribble when energized. To be total honest I thought I would have cracked it but maybe the valves have too much wear in them to function properly. So do I make a plate and mount two single, modern valves in place of the originals Or Mount them at the bottom of the chasses and route pipes up to the top and leave the original valves in place till some vintage substitutes come along. Answers on a post card please….. |
Post# 765210 , Reply# 151   6/22/2014 at 12:01 (3,587 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Post# 765428 , Reply# 154   6/23/2014 at 14:02 (3,586 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Well I’m still stumped; my thinking now is to mount a small steel box at the bottom on the outside of the back panel in which will be mounted two singel modern valves and connected to the water supply with normal blue and red hoses.
Route the necessary wiring up to the original valves bypassing the coils. Connecting the new valves in the enclosure to the old ones using the original hoses so it looks like it’s plumbed in, in the original way and will look the same as you can see the original valves in the back panel connected to the original hoses, removing the pistons and rubber seal in the old valves, so in essence working but only as a water feature. I will try to get the originals working but I hold little hope of having any success. Another problem to overcome is I don’t want to be tied to one place for sighting the machine and don’t want holes drilled in the floor of the garage all over the place so I’m thinking of making a base with concrete paving slabs, one on the floor with a layer of house bricks on top and another slab on top of the bricks, steel bolt down though the lot from under the bottom slab to the top one, steel band across the top clamping the slabs and bricks together and then tying the machine down to the same bolts, I should think that would be heavy enough to hold it down and if I need too move it just unpack it all and then rebuild in new position. More to come soon. |
Post# 765450 , Reply# 155   6/23/2014 at 17:17 (3,586 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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see you finally got that solenoid! Ours are all 120V here. Wow what a stash of NOS parts! I'm envious as hell! You're RICH!!!!!
On the valves, over here the larger pistons are mounted to springs inside the tubes. It looks like the "bullet" as you call it has replaced the rubber diaphragm our valves carry. But still I don't see any springs on your larger pistons. The coil itself can't overcome the water pressure alone. I'll try to get up a diagram of what I'm nattering about so to make it clear. The valve seat is rubber and mates to the plunger(we call it) piston, the way it works is water pressure is allowed all over the interior tube this brings the valve to line water pressure. loThen when the machine calls for water the solenoid energizes and is only just enough energy to lift the plunger up and let the rubber seat let water into the machine. When the solenoid De-energizes the spring forces the plunger back down onto the rubber seal. Something like this has to be going on in your valve. Somehow that "bullet" has replaced the rubber seat and spring in our valves.
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Post# 765512 , Reply# 156   6/24/2014 at 04:18 (3,586 days old) by fido ()   |   | |
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I wonder if it would be worthwhile getting the spare water valve solenoid coils from Mike? There could be a break down of the winding insulation on your old coils. |
Post# 765563 , Reply# 157   6/24/2014 at 10:49 (3,585 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Great work so far Lee - almost there. The rubber washer you referred to in 143 - could that have perished and be causing the valve to not seat properly so that it lets by when not energised? It could also be causing the piston to stick in the washer when energised which would lead to the poor flow you experienced? You get this problem sometimes on ball valves in cold water tanks when the rubber ages. Your valves would have been stuck in the closed position for some time and may have deformed the rubber especially when you consider how some of your pipes have gone. Not sure if you can disassemble the valves any further from your photos to get at it.
Hope you find a solution soon. would be good to get the original ones functioning but I think your alternative solution would be just as good. |
Post# 765591 , Reply# 158   6/24/2014 at 13:19 (3,585 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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LEE
I would swap for new type valves just so you can get both hot and cold supplies set up to see the machine going through its operations. The originals definately fiddle about with them as already mentioned the rubber seal would be what I would go for first Still this is a great thread and what ever happens still a great machine, hot an cold supply would be great to see those stats doing there job via either the original or new type valves Gary |
Post# 766365 , Reply# 159   6/27/2014 at 14:52 (3,582 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)   |   | |
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Good evening gentlemen
Had another play with the valves, it seems to be too do with bars, no not the sort that adorn Gary’s windows ;-) Pressure, if it’s very low and I mean very low the valves work properly with a good flow of water into the air break and a good stream into the float switch tube, though the hot one dose run on slightly due to the rubber washer and the piston not seating and the cold one dose drip due to the same problem, if the pressure rises by the slightest margin both stop working. So from this I can only assume that when the machines where installed both hot and cold feeds came from the hot water cistern rather than being connected to mains pressure. So in today’s modern water system which run at mains pressure there will be problems, I tried only opening the taps slightly but the pressure is still present after a few seconds. Am I going to install a water cistern no I don’t thinks so. What’s to do then, back to my idea of mounting a small box with modern valves in and removing the pistons from the originals. All I need now is scour the parts pile and find two single valves, a black box and pipe fitting to reduce the original rubber supply pipes to fit the modern valves. Photo of the new pipe work from the original valves to the air break, which had also perished. |
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