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Post# 766067 , Reply# 1   6/26/2014 at 03:53 (3,564 days old) by funktionalart (Rison, AR)   |   | |
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Allan, For what it's worth, I can tell you that if you stay this diligent about your machine and utilise the liquid HE type as I do then you likely will have no problems. I've the black version of your machine (larger capacity model WM2277HB) which I bought in 2006. ZERO issues. I couldn't be happier. Never have I experienced any of the "issues" many complainers on "review" sites have stated regarding newer front loaders and LG's in particular. After all these years, my machine's dispensers are gleaming clean, and I've not ever experienced the musty/mouldy odours so many folks mention. Recently I removed the deck lid just to inspect things--not any signs of leakages, misdirected detergent, etc. On a side note, though--alot of buyers of this sort of machine think there's something wrong because they're used to seeing a huge drum full of sudsy water that top loaders of years past gave--so they pile in the detergent thinking it'll help clean clothing better. LG specify something on the order of 2 tbsp HE....but I'm guilty of always having used 3-4. No trouble (for me) so far. Not long ago I looked at buying a "parts" machine for down the road in case this one ever gave up on me. Can't tell you how many I saw which had abundant evidence of undissolved powder in dispensers.....caked on everywhere and plenty of softener residue. They really looked horrible. A great deal of users are pretty clueless and careless--amazing considering what these machines cost! Hope this is of some help! Allen |
Post# 766087 , Reply# 3   6/26/2014 at 05:32 (3,563 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Although I use the pod format these days (usually Tide or Wisk's offerings) I've used powders for years in front-loaders without any problems. Have never seen undissolved powder in the dispenser drawer, inside the washer or on clothes. Like you, I have very soft water.
If you like Nellie's, and you're not seeing undissolved detergent on clothes, use it. I see from your link that they make a pod version as well. Might have to give them a try. Enjoy your new LG! They make great front-loaders. |
Post# 766215 , Reply# 4   6/26/2014 at 16:55 (3,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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A few tips and tricks to ensure your machine stays sweet-smelling
- If you prefer cooler wash temperatures, liquid detergent and fabric softener....then do a HOT wash (60c plus) at least every other week to properly clean the outer drum.
- Powder detergent is best. In this country at least, the cleaning power of the leading powdered detergents is at least 10% higher than the liquid equivalent.
- People who use powder rarely complain about their machines smelling manky and going mouldy - it tends to be cool/liquid/fabric conditioner users.
- NEVER keep the door closed on a front load machine if it isn't actually washing - it creates a lovely, moist environment for mould.
- WIPE the door seal out when you have finished washing....leave the door ajar with a dry face-flannel folded over the top of the door between the door and the seal so it can't fully close and simply push it to.
- If you're a person who washes some things in cooler water, but others in hot...such as sheets, wash the 'HOT' washes last....especially if you don't use fabric conditioner in those particular loads. This will prevent you having to do a maintenance wash.
- Continual COOL/COLD washes, particularly with liquid detergent and combined with fabric conditioner causes a sticky grey 'gloop' referred to as SCRUD to accumulate between the drums of ALL machines. A HOT wash every week or so, powdered detergent and reducing or not using fabric conditioner will prevent it completely.
Finally, take 'advertorials' with a dose of cynicism..... |
Post# 766309 , Reply# 6   6/27/2014 at 07:03 (3,562 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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However there is nothing "new" or special about the product.
Nellie's soda is simply a modern variation on using soda crystals/soda ash and soap to clean textiles. It has the added benefit of washer protection agents/anti-corrosive. The stuff contains: COCONUT OIL, SODIUM CARBONATE(soda ash), SODIUM METASILICATE, FATTY ALCOHOL ETHOXYLATE, SODIUM CHLORIDE (salt). All and all not much different than many other of the powder *garage* or "boutique" private label products you find all over the Internet or sold by specialty retailers often at a high mark-up. Washing soda and soap *will* get your laundry clean, lord knows that is how things were done for hundreds of years before modern detergents came along. |
Post# 766315 , Reply# 7   6/27/2014 at 08:35 (3,562 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 766329 , Reply# 8   6/27/2014 at 10:26 (3,562 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Price of Nellie's Laundry Soda:
100-use Container of Powder: $.21 per load 50-use Container of Nuggets (pacs): $.40 per load You'd need to factor in the cost of shipping if ordered online. AquaCycle: I agree--the container is pretty cool. I have enough detergent in the house to last 2 years, so the last thing I need is more; but I'm very tempted to order the Nuggets, just so I can reuse the container with other pods/pacs! |
Post# 766339 , Reply# 9   6/27/2014 at 12:11 (3,562 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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Stay with your PODS! :) |
Post# 767671 , Reply# 12   7/3/2014 at 13:39 (3,556 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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A ozone washer? Not one for domestic use, or missed I something? |
Post# 770683 , Reply# 14   7/13/2014 at 22:09 (3,546 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Allan-- Nellie's All Natural should thank you for advertising: I just ordered their Laundry Nuggets and their dishwasher powder. I would have ordered the dishwasher pacs but they don't come in the adorable little tin.
I'm fairly skeptical of the cleaning ability of "all natural" detergents, but I also like to try new products. If nothing else the Laundry Nuggets can be used for loads of bath towels, which aren't heavily soiled and need a clean-rinsing detergent. They recommend their dishwasher detergent only to customers who have a water softener, which I do. We'll see how it does. If it doesn't clean well, I'll use the tin to store Cascade Complete pacs, which is what I normally use. |
Post# 770706 , Reply# 16   7/13/2014 at 23:52 (3,546 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Post# 770708 , Reply# 17   7/14/2014 at 00:15 (3,546 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Allan--- The Persil you saw online is probably made by Henkel (photo #1) and it's an excellent detergent, but no better than Tide with Bleach. It rinses clearer than Tide.
My favorite non-American detergent is Persil Bio made by Unilever which is sold in the UK (photo #2). Again, cleans as well as Tide, but rinses even clearer than the Henkel version. I've also used UK Ariel (photo #3) with great results, and I loved the scent. In the end, I felt Persil was marginally better at removing stains and the produced the clearer rinse water. You can purchase the UK detergents from britsuperstoreonline.com. Prices for the detergents are reasonable, but the shipping costs will make your head spin. I used to order three 50-use boxes of Persil and the total bill would come to $158. (Note: I used around half the recommended dose in soft water, and consequently got many more than 50 uses per box.) The last of it was used a few weeks ago, and I don't plan to order it again, simply because Tide cleans just as well for a fraction of the cost, even though it is nearly impossible to get a truly clear rinse in super-soft water. I'm dressed head-to-toe in black quite often for work, and love Perwoll Intensive Black (photo #4) which can be found at amazon.com. Cleans better than Woolite for Darks and keeps clothes blacker longer. Perwoll is a Persil-related detergent. This post was last edited 07/14/2014 at 01:00 |
Post# 770762 , Reply# 19   7/14/2014 at 08:34 (3,545 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Our Persil is sold over Europe as Omo, so if you can find Omo Bio powder at a cheaper price, it's the same stuff.
The dosage on the box is a guide to the minimum amount of detergent you can get from the box. If you live in a soft water area, you'll need less detergent and subsequently get more out of a box than it states. I can get away with about 50-60ml of Persil Bio in a front loader, more will be needed for a TL. Frigilux, interesting to hear about the rinsing issues with Tide - thanks for that. I have used a Tide powder that was on sale in my local laundrette in little single wash boxes. It foamed up to high hell. We have similar issues here with different detergents being better at others than rinsing. Like you, I have found Persil to be the best all-rounder, although I prefer the scent of Ariel. In the UK, you really buy into 2 much larger companies. Unilever make Persil and Surf whereas P&G make Ariel, Daz, Bold and Fairy. Those are the detergents you always find in the cleaning aisles at the supermarket. |
Post# 770790 , Reply# 20   7/14/2014 at 11:07 (3,545 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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I would like to chime in here about Persil. I have been using nothing but Persil in my 2012 Frigidaire FL since November and can only recommend it, although some scathing tongues from Germany on this forum claimed those of us in the US who buy Persil are mad for paying what it costs here. I used to use Tide but I did not like the fact that I could never get it to completely rinse out of my clothes.
I became acquainted with Persil when I lived in Germany from 1994 to 2005. It cleans very well and doesn't leave an overpowering floral scent behind. Since the water here is relatively soft (under 3 grains), I can get by with using < 50 ml of detergent per load and everything comes out brilliantly. Persil Universal should not be used with colors, however. They sell Persil Gold, which is safe for colored items. |
Post# 770830 , Reply# 21   7/14/2014 at 14:06 (3,545 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 770848 , Reply# 22   7/14/2014 at 15:16 (3,545 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Yes, Foca is good, not excellent but very good, especially for it's price.....I like it.
Can't gather to the chrous of " how good henkel persil is" as I don't find it anything special really, kinda average MOL one, can actually find even better ones over here and cheaper, when it sells on regular stock price... But I buy it sometimes when on offer, and that's what I am using right now, as I bought a large 76 loads carton for 8 euros on 50% off at our "esselunga" store, when it usually sells for 16...otherwise it really isn't worth it, IMO, actually a waste just for a name... P&G Dash has been considered the best in this country, but of course persil dixan is the following one in matter of fame, after all, it was the second ( better say) the other one detergent for automatic washing that came out at the same time of Dash, before in Italy we had Tide and Persil... Now Dash lost some share, after it started to come in a new concentrated version which just don't give the same of the former, it actually looks like same stuff but higly priced... As for the speech i heard some people do about dixan/persil being european or european detergents in general being developped for harder waters, cuz in europe we got harder water...well... This is not what I know...really.... I never used this one in the Unites States to see how it behave in the alleged " different" american water,granted that while north east got soft water, great part of midwest got hard water, and it changes upon locations of course, but have used tons of american ones over here, and didn't notice any difference in matter of needing more, actually I need slightly less of the indications and in comparison to theones here, and we have very hard water in this area, ....so..... Just comes out as a surprise to me...and weird to hear...difficult to believe. I will not comment on the fact of the fortune Persil costs in the US....I can perfectly understand that some people may like it, and would spend more for it if it likes, after all this is what I do as well keeping buying American products every time.....and not just TOL offerings, but whatever gets my curiosity, and let me tell you, among the cheapest ones I discovered some really good ones i would actually buy for that high price every day....and that we would dream of to get for the same price over here... It's such fun and nice to try foreign products and new ones, that's why I often organize detergents swaps. |
Post# 770869 , Reply# 23   7/14/2014 at 16:09 (3,545 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 770870 , Reply# 24   7/14/2014 at 16:17 (3,545 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Because for years it was the only decent low foaming detergent they could use in their Miele front loaders. Tide finally came out with an "HE" product but the early versions caused just as much froth (if one was not careful of dosing) as normal versions. Also many formulations of Tide powdered detergents are very heavy on builders which makes the stuff not always easy to rinse out of laundry.
Persil is expensive here because it is imported thus incurs mark-ups in price to reflect various duties and tariffs accrued along the way. Then of course MieleUSA and other vendors must make a profit. P&G along with others now produce some quite good detergents for H-Axis washing machines so Persil isn't always wanted or needed. Many however still will use nothing else regardless. Was walking along East 57th Street a few months ago and saw a huge box of Persil being carried by a black delivery man. One assumes he was coming from Gracious Homes or perhaps the Miele store in the area since Home Depot on Third Avenue does not sell Persil. Product was likely destined for one of our households in Sutton Place. Where Persil does shine against Tide powder is that both the megaperls and regular powder are much easier to rinse out than the former. Finally still think European laundry detergents perform better with the longer and often profile wash cycles found in washing machines from that country. More so with the low water machines like my AEG-Oko Lavamat. |
Post# 772658 , Reply# 27   7/23/2014 at 12:02 (3,536 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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What? 35° water hardness? Insane! We have 16° and I find that too much already.
German hardness and American grains per gallon are almost identical - so your water would be 36.5 gpg. What is also important to note is that the dosage instructions on Persil boxes relate to German water hardness values. German "soft" water is already considered "hard" in the US. For us it's:
Soft = less than 8.3 grains Medium = less than 14.6 grains Hard = more than 14.6 grains
According to Wiki, the United States Geological Survey considers 8 gpg as "hard water" water. |
Post# 772837 , Reply# 33   7/24/2014 at 08:21 (3,535 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 776713 , Reply# 34   8/11/2014 at 13:46 (3,517 days old) by wrungout ()   |   | |
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I wish I could get my hands on a big box of the Color Persil like that!!!! what is the cost of it? I love Persil. I have been a loyal Amway SA8 user for years, but have recently discovered Persil. |