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Thread Number: 55064
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| Post# 774405 7/31/2014 at 15:42 (3,548 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
 My Sister took me to find a new dishwasher last month.I don't know why when she would not listen to anything I said. I told her to get a Maytag because they have a real motor in it not a drain pump like her Kitchenaid that is 1 year and half old any was in the house when they bought it. She sees that new Samsung Chief dishwasher with that water wall and she was paying for it with out asking a single question. My Sister does not know how to load a dishwasher at all,I can get twice as much in there and they come clean. Her main problem is she will not clean the filter in them. The Samsung was $$$ it was over 1500 by the time she paid for everything.I told her she was nuts the wash system is new and has not been out long. It was installed and it does not wash well at all.I went to open the door and the door latch was broke. They fixed that,well a week later the dishwasher did not stop running.I was staying the week with her and I loaded the dishwasher and turned it on heavy wash at 11P.M. and when I got up it was still washing a 9. They had to replace the control board,two days later they had to replace that control board. Then the motor went and the latch broke again.I took it out and we took it to Sears and exchanged it for that T.O.L. Maytag that was half the cost of that Samsung. They installed it the other day so I have not used it yet my Sister loves it so far she said it cleans alot better. The warranty is better and it is very very quite. The water wall dishwasher I think is going to be a problem.That wall of water arm will be breaking and it just does not have the power to clean well.I think that alot of power is lost when it deflects the water up.My Smeg does the same thing and is alot more simple and cleans very well. We might have got a Lemon but I would save 600 of that and got the entry model Miele for 1000 bucks. My Sister does not clean that filter at all.The instructions say once a year but she runs two loads a day easy. That was why I told her to get the Maytag it has a grinder in it in the first place. When that guy said you can load this machine anyway which way she glazed over and pulled out her Amex.
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Post# 774406 , Reply# 1 7/31/2014 at 15:55 (3,548 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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| Post# 774452 , Reply# 2 7/31/2014 at 20:49 (3,548 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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.I can see the selling point having that wall of water going back and forth with total coverage. My Smeg like most has the wash arm with a small arm that spins very fast gets everything clean even tall cups and the wash arm is not motorized like Samsungs dishwasher is.That wash arm breaking is something I for-see big time.I have read the reviews it seems alot of them are having problems.
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| Post# 774524 , Reply# 3 8/1/2014 at 00:32 (3,547 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I said back before they officially released them that they'd be complete crap. I'll never pay money for any new machine with the way things have been going. Not until the manufacturers realize that cheap plastic and a tablespoon of water CANNOT properly wash dishes. I hope to keep my newly restored PowerClean in service for a long time, and should it finally give out, I have the Maytag with the last good Point Voyager design waiting to take its place. With the exception of the Maytag, being a 2013 model but still using the PV system introduced in the early 00s, the only machines I'll be using will be made between '95 and 2005. That seems to be the era when humans had everything perfect -- just the right balance of quality build and excellent performance with sensible efficiency.
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| Post# 774604 , Reply# 4 8/1/2014 at 03:51 (3,547 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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| Post# 774995 , Reply# 5 8/2/2014 at 14:54 (3,546 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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No all that did not happen in a week it was two weeks that the rest of it broke.When the latch broke that was it for us and I also foresaw that motorized bar that deflects the water as a problem.That is something extra that does not really need to be there.My Smeg dishwasher does the same thing and with no motor. The Maytag is alot better from what my sister says it has alot more wash power.The pump is alot more powerful that the Point-Voyager type, the motor is the same but they use a Fransis turbine and case it looks like... | ||
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Post# 775404 , Reply# 7 8/4/2014 at 17:29 (3,544 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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58 Frigidaire Dishwasher | ||
| Post# 775605 , Reply# 8 8/5/2014 at 11:43 (3,543 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Wow I was wrong about the tube under the lower rack, but then how did the lower rack get clean? 1958? No that's not the year I...saw it, but I just don't remember where or when. At least it wasn't in one of the nasty dreams I so often have!. Thanks for posting this logixx. | ||
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Post# 775617 , Reply# 9 8/5/2014 at 13:56 (3,543 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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You're welcome, jerrod6.
All the items had to be angled towards the spray tube like so www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... | ||
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Post# 775619 , Reply# 10 8/5/2014 at 14:17 (3,543 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 I saw this Samsung at Lowes Saturday. The moving deflector and stationary water jets were almost laughable in quality, and that was just fiddling and appearance on the sales-floor. I can only imagine what they're like in actual use. I would hope Samsung actually was able to get clean dishes from this machine or it presumably wouldn't have made it out of R&D, lab testing and final, rigorous real-life testing in consumer's homes. Hope springs eternal I suppose. Thanks to your sister, Wes, for taking the fall on this one for us, it's good to hear first-hand reviews of new products and I hope she likes her new-new dishwasher going forward.
Dacor had a 30" dishwasher model that had tube-sprayers along the edges of the upper (and lower?) rack that made up for what the standard wash-arm(s) would miss when sized for the front-to-back depth limitation. I don't recall now if the tubes spun in their positions, but they were stationary at the edges. I don't think the spray-tube models lasted much longer than Dacor's first iteration of the 30" machine, but IIRC one of our members (mark-lightedcontrols) had one of the earlier versions and reported that it worked very well until it didn't and had to replaced by Dacor. | ||
| Post# 776077 , Reply# 12 8/7/2014 at 16:54 (3,541 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Post# 776196 , Reply# 13 8/8/2014 at 03:39 (3,540 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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What a waste of a nice cake-give the cake to me to eat and I would put the empty cake plate in the washer-tape ---BIG DEAL- someone could just peel it off and stick it back on again!!!Other washer makers have done the "cake test"!So its not new.The fake handles on the door are a joke!But neat dishwasher,though. | ||
| Post# 776208 , Reply# 14 8/8/2014 at 05:20 (3,540 days old) by mikell () | ||
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Miele are pretty much Kitchen Aid knockoffs. A new Water wall versus Maytag video had a preliminary release last Friday it should be on You Tube by the end of next week. You get to see head to head with a whole pizza | ||
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Post# 776209 , Reply# 15 8/8/2014 at 05:25 (3,540 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Sorry, but what?!? Miele is in no possible way conected to KA. Not the tiniest bit. Miele is designed in Germany and any Miele DW feature is exclusive to Miele. A Miele is just Miele. Not more, not less. Miele is a knockoff of it self. If anything is like Miele, Miele was the original. | ||
| Post# 776218 , Reply# 16 8/8/2014 at 07:25 (3,540 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
Sorry Henene4 Miele was not the original
Kitchenaid is to dishwashers as Amana is to Microwaves.
Kitchenaid was the first dishwasher, designed by a woman, Josephine Cochran BTW. It is American, any after that are just variations. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Iheartmaytag's LINK | ||
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Post# 776227 , Reply# 17 8/8/2014 at 08:28 (3,540 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 776229 , Reply# 18 8/8/2014 at 08:46 (3,540 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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In America 1893 is before 1929 | ||
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Post# 776255 , Reply# 19 8/8/2014 at 10:25 (3,540 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Now, let's get back to the Samsung. There has already been said about the first dishwasher. Both KitchenAid and Miele weren't the first.
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... | ||
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Post# 776284 , Reply# 20 8/8/2014 at 14:13 (3,540 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I didn't claim Miele was the first. But I just can't take it if someone equals Miele to anything, especially on DWs. Miele is not like anything else. That dosen't mean they are always better. They are just a class themselves. And if it's about the first who ever made a DW, everything would be a knock off. | ||
| Post# 776554 , Reply# 23 8/10/2014 at 10:43 (3,538 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
I wouldn't have anything from Samsung if you paid me to take it. I have heard horror stories and they're causin havoc in the appliance industry s reputalation with front load washers. Customers are pissed because their service sucks and is giving front load washers a bad reputation. The salespeople here at Sears and Home Depot refuse, to sell them spinning customers to LG or Whirlpool machines.
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| Post# 776568 , Reply# 24 8/10/2014 at 12:49 (3,538 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 776580 , Reply# 25 8/10/2014 at 14:48 (3,538 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Samsung's fridges are actually quite good though, at least on this side of the atlantic anyway. Washing machines require quite a bit of mechanical engineering as you're dealing with pretty extreme forces when they spin dry. If you get the design even slightly off, there's a MAJOR problem. | ||
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Post# 776600 , Reply# 26 8/10/2014 at 17:17 (3,538 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 784393 , Reply# 30 9/18/2014 at 07:02 (3,499 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Kitchenaid Dishwashers
Are still one of the best DWs made and are a very high quality product, that is easy to service and install.
They are consistently among the top rated machines in terms of performance and quiet operation. Consumer Reports subjected ALL the DWs in their testing [ including Meile ] to the same tests as the Samsung water-wall DW and only the SS had any serious problem. Samsung refrigerators are flimsy junk, you will be lucky if their Ice Makers work for even a few years. They may look ok compared to refs in some parts of the world but they do not come close to the sturdiness and quality of WP built, GE, and even North American Frigidaire refrigerators. | ||
| Post# 784430 , Reply# 31 9/18/2014 at 11:01 (3,499 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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We have a brand new Samsung refrigerator, and it's the biggest pile of $1100 junk I've seen in my life. The icemaker - just as combo52 said - is an absolute joke. Oh, you wanted crushed ice? Too bad, today it feels like cubed. And tomorrow it may be the opposite. And at least once a week I have to take the entire ice caddy out of the door and use a butter knife to break the frozen "snow" from the inside of the grind chamber and from the chute, or it will get the the point of not dropping out ice at all.
The shelving system is also terrible. You only have 2-3 configurations to use because the shelves are all different sizes, not to mention there are only a few support rails to actually mount them on. That said, you either have a bunch of small spaces for short items but none tall enough for a milk jug or tea pitcher, or you have way too much head room for taller items, which turns into wasted space that could have been used for small things. One more annoyance is that the filter indicator has no function at all. It is blue whenever the ice or water dispensers are being used, and after about 5 months it is supposed to turn purple, and then at 6 months, red. We were on month 9 before I finally said screw it and replaced the filter, and marked the date on it with a Sharpie. My job was to research and select the appliances, but my boyfriend asked if he could pick the refrigerator, so I said okay. I gave him full notice that I was wary of LG and Samsung because of how new they are to the appliance market, but it seemed like a pretty decent machine at the time. He liked that the LED lights fade in when the door is opened; a feature that I don't even notice anymore. I now regret letting him get it and not steering him to the WP/Maytag. Hell even a GE would have been leaps and bounds better than this thing. | ||
| Post# 784617 , Reply# 32 9/19/2014 at 16:35 (3,498 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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