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Thread Number: 56387
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
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Post# 787003 10/3/2014 at 07:18 (3,490 days old) by jetcone  (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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 And a Ford in every Basement !
Coming soon 1966 Philco-Ford "Flex-A-Wash" otherwise known as the "Hula Wash System"
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| Post# 787009 , Reply# 1 10/3/2014 at 07:54 (3,490 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 787013 , Reply# 2 10/3/2014 at 08:04 (3,490 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 787019 , Reply# 3 10/3/2014 at 08:27 (3,490 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 787029 , Reply# 4 10/3/2014 at 09:07 (3,490 days old) by HooverWheelAway () | ||
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LOL. Washer HULA! Are you going to have a Luau in the Philco's honor? | ||
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Post# 787033 , Reply# 5 10/3/2014 at 09:32 (3,490 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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must be similar or ...mystery mounts
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| Post# 787036 , Reply# 6 10/3/2014 at 10:03 (3,490 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
The Original... | ||
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Post# 787037 , Reply# 7 10/3/2014 at 10:06 (3,490 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 787052 , Reply# 8 10/3/2014 at 11:45 (3,490 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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| Post# 787125 , Reply# 9 10/3/2014 at 20:07 (3,489 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 787159 , Reply# 10 10/4/2014 at 02:26 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Phil looks like we have similar models! You have the RH open lid I have the LH open lid. Your fill elements are blue mine are white. Is yours a W2G4? Mine is W2G4DK for the coppertone tutone paint.
And it looks like your rubber clothes guard is still intact? Just under the opening?
I can't wait to wash in this.
First we have a problem Houston, metal flapping under the "Hulatator" a disassembly is in order. I know there's bearings in there that need lubing after Upteen years!
The knobs on this are beautiful heavy chrome unlike any other washer ! More like Marantz knobs !!
Well, we see iron deposits and looking down the throat inside the Hulatator we see ----- TAR ! And taking the Hulatator apart we find the skirt is RIPPPPPED !!
Thats why it has a metal jingle on wash, the contact ring of metal is floating. On a Frigidaire this would be lethal !!
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Post# 787160 , Reply# 11 10/4/2014 at 02:29 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Look at the swirl marks from some distant day at the beach !
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Post# 787161 , Reply# 12 10/4/2014 at 02:35 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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With the tar and iron deposits this machine looks like it did duty in an auto garage washing rags. Tar is all down the wobbulator plate and bellows under the Hulatator !
Simple Green to the rescue !
Fortunately the tar actually protected the wobble boot from oxidation the rubber is stellar !! But I find all the wash water flows in behind the Hula Skirt, very odd design. Thats why the tar is all around the center tub area.
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Post# 787162 , Reply# 13 10/4/2014 at 02:41 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Simple Green is your friend !!
Clean tubs and boots are happy tubs and boots !!
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Post# 787164 , Reply# 14 10/4/2014 at 02:54 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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A big shout out to Ben and a big thank you! He saved the day with the very part I needed !!
- A Hula skirt !! I'd be sunk without this !
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Post# 787165 , Reply# 15 10/4/2014 at 02:57 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Now armed with Doctrine in hand we can get back to Reassembly ! Mounting the skirt is no easy job at the top end where it connects to the Hulatator !! Soap and water - lots ! Alignment is key with Philco- the tub has to align with the hulaboot but they make that easy with a locating nub on the boot it only goes on the tub one way. Then the hula skirt must align with the hula cap so that the hula lock ring aligns with the holes in the tub. No twisting of the skirt is allowed. This post was last edited 10/04/2014 at 08:15 | ||
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Post# 787166 , Reply# 16 10/4/2014 at 03:02 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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This machine has an amazing engineering feature I have not seen in any other washers to date ! There are 21 stainless steel bolts that connect the tub, hula skirt, wobbulator all together and all these bolts are in the washing zone ! But Philco-Ford designed all of them to sit in blind holes in castings so none of the threads are ever exposed to wash water. It made it so easy to disassemble this machine after 50 years of garage rags !! And all bolts were cleaned and nickeled before reinstallation ! This post was last edited 10/04/2014 at 07:22 | ||
| Post# 787171 , Reply# 17 10/4/2014 at 04:38 (3,489 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Who knew that..... | ||
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Post# 787180 , Reply# 18 10/4/2014 at 07:21 (3,489 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 787231 , Reply# 19 10/4/2014 at 16:13 (3,489 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
Thats a great find Jon and looks like a great restoration too! The water flow thru the agitator is no mistake...its for the filter and that pumping ring is what does the job driving the water thru the slots, into the filter and downward under the washbasket and back up the outer wall and back into the washbasket. I loved watching my aunt's machine when I was a kid. When the motor died, my uncle decided to just get rid of the machine...all it needed was a new motor, everything else was perfect. I hated to see that machine go to the landfill such a waste. I think it was an Imperial model. I remember the panel had numbers for the water temps and speeds and the panel under the controls lit up.
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Post# 787287 , Reply# 21 10/4/2014 at 21:17 (3,488 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 787288 , Reply# 22 10/4/2014 at 21:21 (3,488 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The renewed Hulatator goes back in, the top gets a good cleaning! Things are shaping up.....to the virgin load !!
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Post# 787320 , Reply# 23 10/4/2014 at 23:22 (3,488 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 787339 , Reply# 24 10/5/2014 at 01:13 (3,488 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Before I forget...when you load the washer for its maiden wash with you,loose is the best way to go to the top row of holes. Add detergent by twisting the top part of the agitator off and pull it out. Add detergent to the agitator column since it will get the detergent and any additive like borax, dry bleach into solution fast and it will work its way thru the bsket holes and into the washload. No residue on clothes. The filter will catch anything in the water. My aunt never had a pet hair issue on her laundry with this machine and she line dried. She used Cheer that was blue at the time, and alot of it I might add, so her whites had a blueish cast to them and a not normal one at that.
I look forward to a wash in at your place since your not far at all from me. | ||
| Post# 787341 , Reply# 25 10/5/2014 at 01:20 (3,488 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Oh and the agitator "nutates" at 575 -600 npm or nutations per minute...same speed as the spin on Normal speed. I will have to check my repair manual but if its a two speed washer then the Slow speed is half that I believe...This is also a spin drain washer like a Maytag or SQ machine. The other thing is that where the brake is at the base under the machine where the belt pulley is...there is a liquid in the assembly...I will have to dig out the manual in the morning.
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Post# 787362 , Reply# 26 10/5/2014 at 07:35 (3,488 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Thank you Mike yes I read that part about the fluid too. And they don't tell you what the "fluid" is !! On mine the bottom drive elements were seized by "grease turned to varnish" so it wouldn't spin. To be specific from Doctrine - the cog must turn on the shaft not with it so that it lifts the brake plate off the brake much like the Helical Drive Maytag does. And the brake plate needs to be able to slide up the agitate shaft but again mine was seized with varnish.
Disassembly was again easy with this machine. I lubricated the brake plate and cog with silicone grease never to dry out! I spins beautifully now !
But I took a gander inside the brake plate and saw the sacred fluid!! It's very very thick! And to my shock this fluid is still crystal clear and its been under a washer for 50 years ! No dirt at all in it !
How did that happen? - Like I've said before "Some machines just want to live again!" i.e. The bolts just jump off at disassembly , all the parts fit back together nicely, there is little rust.
And other machines you pour your heart and soul into and they just die at the first turn of the dial.
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Post# 787363 , Reply# 27 10/5/2014 at 07:49 (3,488 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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PHIL How do you like the matching dryer ? Thats next on the lab docket.
Getting closer >>>>>
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| Post# 787367 , Reply# 28 10/5/2014 at 08:12 (3,488 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 787381 , Reply# 29 10/5/2014 at 09:02 (3,488 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 787410 , Reply# 30 10/5/2014 at 10:56 (3,488 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 787412 , Reply# 31 10/5/2014 at 11:02 (3,488 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Wonderful restoration Jon, you are going to love this machine. I love my Philco, so very rare and unique. A very gentle machine actually, just like a 3-Ring Frigidaire or Apex.
I'll be interested to see the turnover with a large load, the early models had amazing turnover without any tangling, even sheets! | ||
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Post# 787541 , Reply# 32 10/5/2014 at 21:39 (3,487 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Yay Another Philco Ford Appliance Saved
Hi Jon, I am really excited to see this washer we had for years being restored, I always loved the design of this washer.
This newer larger capacity version of this machine largely solved the tangling problems of the earlier solid versions of this washer, but unfortunately the great turn-over of the earlier machine disappeared as well, Oh Well. I had a washer like this one for a year or so in my home laundry room and it could not begin to turn over big loads of larger items, even 3 or 4 pairs of jeans proved almost imposable for the agitation to turn over at all. Remember since these machines were financed by the Ford credit department be sure to make timely payments to avoid collection costs. John L. | ||
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Post# 787615 , Reply# 33 10/6/2014 at 07:40 (3,487 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Actually John, there is absolutely no tangling in my Philco and I have the very first version of this design and have used it for nearly 15 years now. Not even sheets! There is a bit of the a tangling issue in their Power Surge models due to the lack of center post on the agitator, but by '59 that was solved.
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| Post# 787679 , Reply# 34 10/6/2014 at 16:22 (3,487 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Look at the flapillator in the early machines compared to the later ones... The earlier ones, the flap was much more straight, with 3 'mild' waves in it... I think this allowed more 'push' to the water and gave much better turnover...
These later machines, the flap is 'severely' waved, so that 3 large parts of the flap point down, and the 3 smaller parts nub straight... I think the engineers thought that this would direct a stronger push out of the 3 straight nubs... They were wrong... When I did a few loads in the machine at Mark's in Wytheville, I found that the load sunk to the bottom and got kneaded into a fabric donut... Seeing all the "free" water circulating around, you think, "Wow, this machine is huge!" when in reality, the more clothing you added, the thicker the donut got at the bottom... Once it got to the rinse, I saw this clearly through the water... I look forward to your review! What options do you have on the control panel? And how does the printed text of how many cycles it has compare to reality? | ||
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Post# 787780 , Reply# 35 10/7/2014 at 07:57 (3,486 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Reviews are coming Peter | ||
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Post# 787819 , Reply# 36 10/7/2014 at 12:01 (3,486 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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The Tub Indexing is solved.
The Virgin Load Video is up from East Coast Washer Labs.
Several my-sized beach towels were used and not hurt in this test.
I used standard quality upload because of size and speed. Enjoy!
Hula-Washing® is the best !!
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| Post# 787830 , Reply# 37 10/7/2014 at 13:33 (3,486 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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| Post# 787831 , Reply# 38 10/7/2014 at 13:36 (3,486 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 787833 , Reply# 39 10/7/2014 at 13:46 (3,486 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 787834 , Reply# 40 10/7/2014 at 13:51 (3,486 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Very nice machine! I just loved it! | ||
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Post# 787836 , Reply# 41 10/7/2014 at 14:09 (3,486 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Ill keep that in mind Phil LOL !!
Glenn there is a suds kill in wash spin and again in rinse spin. Two sprays on DolphinDrain© and two during the FlutterSpin© when the hulatator flaps the clothes dry.
I love that dolphin drain, it starts spinning and draining and then all of a sudden the splashing dolphin appears !!
#Mike, I forgot to check the lint filter, will do that.
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| Post# 787847 , Reply# 42 10/7/2014 at 15:26 (3,486 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 787850 , Reply# 43 10/7/2014 at 15:36 (3,486 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 787854 , Reply# 44 10/7/2014 at 16:32 (3,486 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Post# 787873 , Reply# 45 10/7/2014 at 18:39 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Zero Suds coming up! Mike- I checked the lint filter -- I couldn't believe my eyes at what it caught in one wash! I never thought it would be effective hidden at the bottom of the agitator column behind all those narrow slits but wow look !!
Its no gimmick !
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Post# 787875 , Reply# 46 10/7/2014 at 18:56 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 787879 , Reply# 47 10/7/2014 at 19:04 (3,485 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 787885 , Reply# 48 10/7/2014 at 19:40 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Cool Glenn | ||
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Post# 787886 , Reply# 49 10/7/2014 at 19:42 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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this one is really noisy | ||
| Post# 787887 , Reply# 50 10/7/2014 at 19:58 (3,485 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 787889 , Reply# 51 10/7/2014 at 19:59 (3,485 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles) |
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Wonderful Videos! I’ve always been fascinated by these machines, what a shame nobody else used this design. I wonder if it would be possible to mount a small hula girl on the chrome plated top of that beautiful blue hulatator to make sure everything is indeed “hula clean”? | ||
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Post# 787898 , Reply# 52 10/7/2014 at 21:08 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 787905 , Reply# 53 10/7/2014 at 22:33 (3,485 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Water so energized you can see it escaping on top!
What a cool machine, Jon, you did a great job getting this one up and running. Now go get that stack of jeans! (I did film that at Jimmy FilterFlo's back in '08 - I'm not sure why it seems so loud, probably that there were a couple of other machines running in the room at the same time.) | ||
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Post# 787911 , Reply# 54 10/7/2014 at 23:27 (3,485 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Post# 787944 , Reply# 56 10/8/2014 at 06:49 (3,485 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Yay Another Philco Ford Appliance Saved
Great job Jon, now on to the dryer, maybe you could convert the dryer into a Heat-Pump dryer while you are rebuilding it.
Why did they use a center-post ?, Probably for several reasons, 1 its looks more conventional so it would be less likely to scare buyers away, 2 it makes it less likely to tangle items, 3 it provided a great way to have a lint filter and dispenser. I had one of these washers years ago in my laundry room for over a year and tried to use it a good bit, but for anything but small low water loads it was not very effective, it was kinda fun however. | ||
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Post# 787945 , Reply# 57 10/8/2014 at 06:59 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Peter Like you I was turnover turnover turnover coming from FrigidaireVille. But
As Gansky pointed out to me turnover isn't everything and isn't the only action that cleans clothes in a machine, there is temperature, immersion and the detergents. So I have given Philco a handicap on turnover and it is early but I'm seeing very clean lint free clothes coming out of it.
I think this is the bigger version as its 1966 but I'm really green on Philco right now I need to learn more. The tub is rated at 14 pounds in Doctrine. I think it spins really well at 595 for the tub diameter clothes seem damp dry. I don't feel the need to respin them before dryerville.
See the results below -pure as the driven snow skivvies - Philco Flex-A-Wash clean !!
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Post# 787946 , Reply# 58 10/8/2014 at 07:02 (3,485 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Yay Another Philco Ford Appliance Saved
Great job Jon, now on to the dryer, maybe you could convert the dryer into a Heat-Pump dryer while you are rebuilding it.
Why did they use a center-post ?, Probably for several reasons, 1 its looks more conventional so it would be less likely to scare buyers away, 2 it makes it less likely to tangle items, 3 it provided a great way to have a lint filter and dispenser. I had one of these washers years ago in my laundry room for over a year and tried to use it a good bit, but for anything but small low water loads it was not very effective and often in full water level loads the laundry would actually fall asleep during the wash cycle, LOL, but overall it was kinda a fun washer. | ||
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Post# 787947 , Reply# 59 10/8/2014 at 07:19 (3,485 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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A little leg action, too!
The videos are the proof. All washers have strengths and weaknesses for different types of loads. I suspect you may not be as impressed with the wash action when doing large items like blankets, sheets, etc. but, who knows? It may prove itself there too and become one of the least appreciated washers in vintage applianceville!
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Post# 788014 , Reply# 60 10/8/2014 at 14:24 (3,485 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Wow, congrats Jon! I'm glad your hula-washer is up and running, and I'm glad the boot worked! When I first found them on the shelf of a local appliance store I couldn't believe what I was looking at.
I have a feeling that your washer is a later series washer from 1967/1968, maybe a series 5 or 6? My hunch is the later Ford/Philco badge on the control panel, rather than the earlier block font used for the Philco badge (sans Ford). As far as I can tell, the 1966 series top loaders were the last, with parts documentation seeing revision dates all the way through mid 1968. In the stash of Philco manuals I found last year, the only 1967/1968 manual I found was for the last Duomatic. Anyone else out there have any Ford/Philco documentation after 1967? Ben 
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Post# 788016 , Reply# 61 10/8/2014 at 14:38 (3,485 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 788032 , Reply# 62 10/8/2014 at 16:50 (3,485 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 788037 , Reply# 63 10/8/2014 at 17:21 (3,485 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 788073 , Reply# 64 10/8/2014 at 21:05 (3,484 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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As far as dates are concerned, I can only say that my parents bought one in 1969 -- reconstructing the date from other events. We had moved into a new house at Christmas 1968 and tried to make do with a used slant front Westy, but it leaked and broke down constantly and it wasn't too long before the Philco appeared. One of my uncles was a Philco salesman and we'd also gotten a range and a console stereo from him (only the stereo survives). Of course the washer could have been a leftover 1968 or even earlier model. Unfortunately the manual is long gone.
The washer and the range both had the PHILCO-Ford lettering; the stereo just says PHILCO. Not sure what the marketing people were thinking. | ||
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Post# 788198 , Reply# 65 10/9/2014 at 19:51 (3,483 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Okay Louis you asked for it ! Rosalie's Zero Suds in the 1966 Philco Hula Washer. CLICK HERE TO GO TO jetcone's LINK | ||
| Post# 788200 , Reply# 66 10/9/2014 at 19:59 (3,483 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Is this rosalie suds for real? ? | ||
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Post# 788215 , Reply# 67 10/9/2014 at 20:57 (3,483 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Yes I've been working on it for 7 years now | ||
| Post# 788223 , Reply# 68 10/9/2014 at 21:28 (3,483 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 788239 , Reply# 69 10/9/2014 at 22:27 (3,483 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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That load with the towels earlier was pretty full I'd say 7/8 full and the towels are as tall as me so they are big.
I am getting impressed with its washing ability. Its fun to knock down prejudices. I have looked at this machine for years , played with Robert's but I really didn't look at it closely. Nor did I give it , its due.
Its a great machine- Jet Age washing !!
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| Post# 788250 , Reply# 70 10/9/2014 at 23:12 (3,483 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Fun Video Jon! Your Rosalie's Detergent really rinses well! Loved watching the turbulence of the water during the rinse. Do you know what is the reason for the pause during the spin after the rinse? These Philco's are very fun!
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Post# 788264 , Reply# 71 10/9/2014 at 23:58 (3,483 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Ask and thou shalt receive... | ||
| Post# 788279 , Reply# 72 10/10/2014 at 03:10 (3,483 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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| Post# 788289 , Reply# 73 10/10/2014 at 06:12 (3,483 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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Video Jon! You have done an awesome job with you Philco. I see no reason they would not clean well. Lot's of rollover/turnover and gentle on fabric.
Now, as far as Rosalie's detergent, put me on your list for the first order. If vintage Dash were still available, by all means I'd be on it FAST! Steven | ||
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Post# 788299 , Reply# 74 10/10/2014 at 07:10 (3,483 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philco Flapper | ||
| Post# 788302 , Reply# 75 10/10/2014 at 07:17 (3,483 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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1/2 Load | ||
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Post# 788306 , Reply# 76 10/10/2014 at 07:50 (3,483 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Thanks all Glad to see you enjoying Phillie as much as I do -Brent the washer has a suds kill pause after wash just like the GE FF's but is also has a pause after rinse too, I'm guessing this is just using the same cog in the timer block as the wash spin. I don't see a real need to pause after that rinse cycle do you?
- Mike the Hulatator does hula the WHOLE Spin cycle, you can see that in action at the start of rinse-spin in the video. When the tub turns CCW its already in spin.
-Steven actually you hit a nail on the head there - it was Robert who put it to me to remake Dash 7 or so years ago. After researching the original patents from 1958 & 1960 I found 3 of the chemicals are either no longer made nor allowed in detergents !! So I found "my way" to Rosalie's after 5 years of playing around with modern newer ingredients in the basement. So Rosalie's is Dash in exile the "No suds Miracle" LOL
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| Post# 788307 , Reply# 77 10/10/2014 at 08:04 (3,483 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 788311 , Reply# 78 10/10/2014 at 08:55 (3,483 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I was thinking the Hulatator effectively goes stationary when the basket spin gets up to full speed being that the dance-rate is the same as the spin RPM ... but maybe not since it's hula-ing, not rotating? I'd like to see a FULL load (or maybe a slight overload?) for turnover reference. That last video with Rosalie's was considerably underloaded IMO. That's the Hulatator design with stationary upper section per the Philco (maybe not the same model machine, theirs had the "top hat"-style agitator cap) that family friends had so many years ago. It caused me huge confusion whenever the machine happened to be running when we were there for a visit, I'd peep in and see the clothes and water boiling furiously and NO visible agitator movement. Love it! | ||
| Post# 788326 , Reply# 79 10/10/2014 at 12:34 (3,483 days old) by mitch (Atlanta) | ||
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What a cool machine! Great job--as usual :). | ||
| Post# 788353 , Reply# 80 10/10/2014 at 16:55 (3,483 days old) by philcoford (Maryland) | ||
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Loving the Philco I fell in love with Mark's Philco when he let me try it out, so very different wash action, but it seems to work great. Thanks for sharing the repairs and restorations and the videos. As you can tell by my screen name, I am a Philco fan. Scott | ||
| Post# 788845 , Reply# 81 10/13/2014 at 17:05 (3,480 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 788956 , Reply# 82 10/14/2014 at 07:11 (3,479 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I wish I could get to parts ! | ||
| Post# 789002 , Reply# 83 10/14/2014 at 14:15 (3,479 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 789003 , Reply# 84 10/14/2014 at 14:22 (3,479 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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LOL !!! | ||
| Post# 789060 , Reply# 86 10/14/2014 at 23:08 (3,478 days old) by A440 () | ||
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I think they are very good machines Jon! Do you remember the Dexter Badges Philco machines? Beautiful. Black / Red / White Lettered Raised Lighted control panels. Beautiful!!
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Post# 789077 , Reply# 87 10/15/2014 at 05:54 (3,478 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 789079 , Reply# 88 10/15/2014 at 06:01 (3,478 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Well here it is | ||
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Post# 789116 , Reply# 90 10/15/2014 at 10:13 (3,478 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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1959 Dexter by Philco
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| Post# 789119 , Reply# 91 10/15/2014 at 10:27 (3,478 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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9 Minutes? | ||
| Post# 789120 , Reply# 92 10/15/2014 at 10:39 (3,478 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Glen you are so Awesome! I was starting to think I imagined this washer! Have been looking for pictures for hours! And it is a Solid Tub!!! Were all the original "Hula's" Solid Tubs? Brent | ||
| Post# 789160 , Reply# 93 10/15/2014 at 16:35 (3,478 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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That's a great video of the sheets washing...it makes sense now why with my aunts machine that sheets just went in circles...she always used Large so the Flex A Wash agitator never grabbed them to pull them under...I guess with commn sense this machine does quite well.
I did notice that your rinse water had a tint of brown to it. When I drove by last week, I noticed road work at the front of your street....I was on my way to friends in Stoneham to install their dishwasher on Saturday..... | ||
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Post# 789175 , Reply# 94 10/15/2014 at 18:44 (3,477 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Yes MIKE | ||
| Post# 789192 , Reply# 95 10/15/2014 at 19:52 (3,477 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 789242 , Reply# 97 10/15/2014 at 23:57 (3,477 days old) by marty (Central Point, Oregon) | ||
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Pump ring More pictures.. | ||
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Post# 789361 , Reply# 98 10/16/2014 at 17:36 (3,477 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Nice job Marty on the machining I do have pictures of that assembly, let me dig. It was the hardest part to get back together. The boot goes up inside the bottom part you made, look at the old one , it sits against the inside of that part and then the pump - which is actually just a strip of corrugated rubber goes inside that then the pump ring - which is a hard metal ring sized just enough to squeeze inside of all of the above and expand the pump ring and lock everything in place.
I found them, you can see the upper pump ring and presser installed in the first 3, then they are all apart on my bench in the vertical order from upper to lower. The ring pushes the skirt up into the inner surface of the agitator bottom, and I now see on your part your missing that inner surface, maybe you can machine it out more?
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Post# 789362 , Reply# 99 10/16/2014 at 17:38 (3,477 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 789381 , Reply# 100 10/16/2014 at 19:22 (3,476 days old) by marty (Central Point, Oregon) | ||
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Thanks! Jon, I have the metal ring, however, I am missing the rubber ring. I understand how it goes together. Do you by chance have an extra rubber ring? I want to get this thing dancing! Regards Marty | ||
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Post# 789393 , Reply# 101 10/16/2014 at 20:55 (3,476 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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HI marty sorry I don't, parts for these machines are scarcer than anything. You could fabricate it from a strip of thick neoprene and make cross cuts. Neoprene seals together with super glue. Its the same width as the ring, it just needs to stand off from the skirt so that it pumps through the cross cuts.
I am on the hunt for parts, hopefully at some point the treasure trove will appear, cross your fingers.
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Post# 789544 , Reply# 103 10/18/2014 at 07:27 (3,475 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Angus You've got the answer already. Yes I load it just like the Frigidaire in quadrants careful not to rope around the Hulatator. But water level is key in these pulsator machines. Too much and things just float away too low and the pulsator tugs and nothing moves. From using Jet Action machines for years was great training for the Philcos. This is my procedure for good washing results: 1 know where your water levels are with the selector on the tub walls, use the holes as markers, 2 load dry clothes 3 look at the side wall of tub and set the selector based on that 4 you want the water level to be just about an inch below the dry load level line. Alternatively:
And you're off to washer heaven.
Angus you'll have to come up for the wash-in. I'll post the date here in this thread if Phil & Paul EVER get there butts down here from the FROZEN NORTH !!
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| Post# 789546 , Reply# 104 10/18/2014 at 08:25 (3,475 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 789549 , Reply# 105 10/18/2014 at 08:44 (3,475 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Lol! Sorry Phil
Here's something to cheer you up - I videoed Mikes comments about the filtering - look at how much water is flowing thru that filter !!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO jetcone's LINK | ||
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Post# 789550 , Reply# 106 10/18/2014 at 08:49 (3,475 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Ben here is the data plate
Take a gander- does that manufacturing code of 5 mean 1967 ?
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| Post# 789602 , Reply# 107 10/18/2014 at 18:12 (3,475 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I was going thru the repair manual that I have for the Philco washer from 1965 and it says the difference between fill settings of low and high is a measly 3 inches. A full washbasket water level is 11 inches deep. It makes sense now that you get such good turnover with this undulating wash action matching the water level to the load and going a tad under. In my aunt's Imperial washer, I dont think she ever moved the water level from Large to match the load size. Her loads went around in circles, no rollover at all and I think she might have overloaded it some as well. I am going to ask my cousin about it since now I am curious.
The other thing I have to ask Jon...how is the wash result? Meaning is it removing stains well? I love watching the videos and I noticed a good amount of water rolling thru the load. I get a kick out of the water waves on top of the water surface and the spray rinses during the first spin and final as well. I wish my SQ washer did that, but it doesnt. Oh and the other thing is...your right about the manual being vague about what the fluid is for the clutch wick. I remember that the fluid had a reddish tint to it for some reason. | ||
| Post# 789800 , Reply# 108 10/20/2014 at 13:25 (3,473 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona ) | ||
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
sorry for making the scene late here, i was out of state for a week. but i wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS on such a beautiful coppertone philco!!!
the brown cabinet and the turquoise tub & agitator make an awesome color combination. i think i've even seen this color combination on some new bedspreads & comforters. and you did an OUTTA SIGHT job on restoring that beautiful machine!!! as always, an impressive job there jetcone!!! i LOVE it!!! :o) | ||
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Post# 789843 , Reply# 109 10/20/2014 at 20:50 (3,472 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Well thank you | ||
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Post# 790281 , Reply# 110 10/23/2014 at 16:34 (3,470 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Oh okay now I am duly impressed
1 set Queen sheets
1 bath towels 4 hand towels 4 pillow cases 2 underware And there's still room and it's not even on Full fill CLICK HERE TO GO TO jetcone's LINK
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Post# 790285 , Reply# 111 10/23/2014 at 17:02 (3,470 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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| Post# 790305 , Reply# 112 10/23/2014 at 19:00 (3,469 days old) by Nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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That last video was impressive...actually they all are...now since your showing the rollover ability of this machine...I gotta ask...what about a load of jeans? I read a comment here that claimed that jeans have a tough time rolling over in the washer. And so far you have proved a lot of people wrong....
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Post# 790323 , Reply# 113 10/23/2014 at 21:11 (3,469 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Yay Another Philco Ford Appliance Saved | ||
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Post# 790367 , Reply# 114 10/24/2014 at 01:50 (3,469 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 790436 , Reply# 115 10/24/2014 at 13:03 (3,469 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I have come to the concusion that pound ratings are meaningless. To me, a full load is loaded loosely into the washbasket to the top of row of holes only. This loading technique along with proper water level allows the load to wash properly. Basically its volume that matters not weight. And also the load is not packed or wrapped around the agitator. I can see why the loads roll so well in the videos posted here...its loaded properly.And more importantly, used properly.
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Post# 790525 , Reply# 116 10/25/2014 at 07:37 (3,468 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Nice- Thank you Mike for your comment ! I have been thinking on this very thing.
I've been using flapper style washers for years and never had trouble with cleaning or knots. The 3-ring machines do make ropes but thats just easier to get into the dryer, just grab and pull; the whole thing comes out and into the dryer in one shot .
BTW- I weighed that load yesterday it was 6 #, good eye john.
And the wash came out brilliant, either I'm imagining it or this machine really gets fine dirt out of the clothes. Of course I am using Rosalie's, so any comparison to any other detergent is not a fair playing field.
But I was thinking of the water flow in this machine last nite. Water is an incompressible fluid so the clothes are getting slammed with 595 impacts/minute no matter where they are in the tub and there is so much energy put into the wash water that you see standing waves on the surface as Greg was pointing out. Standing waves represent a high energy density in fluid media. 595 i/m is ten times the action compared to 50 impacts/minute tumbling in a Bendix. The Kelvinator/ABC is about 300 swirls / minute and that cleans really well I think. But a swirl is not a slam! Everybody- think about that today, that's your homework! This post was last edited 10/25/2014 at 07:52 | ||
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Post# 790526 , Reply# 117 10/25/2014 at 07:57 (3,468 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Philco-Fords Hybread Ultrasonic Washer | ||
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| Post# 791350 , Reply# 119 10/30/2014 at 17:20 (3,463 days old) by marty (Central Point, Oregon) | ||
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Tub indexing Jon, Earlier you mentioned you had to fix the glitch of the tub indexing. What did you do to fix this? I assume you mean the tub turned while it was agitating? Mine does that as well. Also, I found the grooved ring for the agitator, it was in the dryer! It had a tear in it, so I siliconed it to the ring. Hopefully it holds it in place. Marty | ||
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Post# 791710 , Reply# 120 11/2/2014 at 12:22 (3,460 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Glad to hear you found the part in the dryer Always look in the dryer, you never know when or where the former owner will put things !
Yes the tub indexing- its a tricky adjustment of that one nut due to the brake linings being worn down. My brake linings were covered in oil so first I cleaned them and the brake plate off. Then reassembling I noticed as I tighten the nut ,the whole package lifts the brake plate off the linings. You don't want that - but to low on the nut and you have poor clutching on the spin. It would be so much easier with new full thickness brake pads but we have to deal with what we've got. You have to tighten the nut just right between the two evils.
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| Post# 794990 , Reply# 122 11/19/2014 at 20:10 (3,442 days old) by lamont () | ||
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You had to post pics of t-birds and a Cougar....Now my wife is on me to find another 89 XR7. I had one a few years back and she absolutely LOVED the thing. Mustang performance in a family sedan. | ||
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Post# 795069 , Reply# 123 11/20/2014 at 06:58 (3,442 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Nice 'Stang! - And in Poppy Red I might add.
Love my Ford !! 13 years, 175K she purrrs
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Post# 795081 , Reply# 124 11/20/2014 at 08:09 (3,442 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Heard or Read that Ford's F-150 | ||
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