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Post# 795315   11/21/2014 at 20:24 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Well even though this machine is so unused its still policy to renew rubber seals no matter what after  40 years installed. Tub seals collapse in that time and each time the jetcone bounces water will get in. 
Also one of my goals with this machine is to make it as quiet as the 1957 Charcoal live water action machine.

I will install Frigidiare's "Qui-A-Pak II" system. It will be fun to compare to my 3 speed machine that has no sound deadning once Poppy is up and running.

 

 


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Post# 795317 , Reply# 1   11/21/2014 at 20:32 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The first obstacle to overcome

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is its been 30 years since I was rebuilding and selling these machines, I know them like the back of my hand but some subtleties have escaped me. 

 

Like oddity of the "T" machines. The only year Frigidaire decided to save a penny and not install the oil bellows under the water bellows. 

 

It created warranty havoc when whole transmissions had to be replaced that were frozen with water rust and detergent - see the Tech Tips 1973 a year after the "T"s were produced.

 

Off to Doctrine to bone up, after two hours researching I found what I was looking for, what parts I would need to add to Poppy to bring it up to speed with her 1970's sisters.

 

Can you spot what parts are missing in the "T"s?

 


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Post# 795318 , Reply# 2   11/21/2014 at 20:35 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Dissassembly and cleaning

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Poppy came apart without any effort, like she had just been assembled off the line. And well....

 

look at her- I have not seen such a gloss on an outer tub yet!

 

 


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Post# 795319 , Reply# 3   11/21/2014 at 20:40 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
the mechanism is in

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stellar shape too ! The rollers look pristine. 
And if you look closely in picture #2- you can see that infamous bottom agitate driver , its darker than the spin driver above it. Another S & T failing. On these machines Frigidaire decided to go with a cast iron driver. Bad choice as it did not sit well with the polyurethane agitate roller. Cast iron was too hard and caused the poly roller to lump up and go out of round.

 

They even produced a repair kit to replace the cast iron with an aluminum drive roller. 

After the 'T's Frigidaire went back to all aluminum drive rollers.

 

But a change now would take a very long time and since this is now in retirement the machine can stay original for now. 


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Post# 795320 , Reply# 4   11/21/2014 at 20:41 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I am amazed at the gloss

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still left on the cabinet. Usually these cabinets are rust buckets by now. Look !


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Post# 795322 , Reply# 5   11/21/2014 at 20:51 (3,414 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I've got chills lookin at that gloss, so pure and new. 


Post# 795325 , Reply# 6   11/21/2014 at 21:58 (3,414 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Poppy 1-18 Frigidaire Washer

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WOW Jon it is in great shape, you should install the sound insulation that I installed in my Imperial 1-18 and we can do a comparison afterwards, currently I have the quietest 1-18 ever, the race is on for silence.

Post# 795331 , Reply# 7   11/21/2014 at 22:18 (3,414 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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And I have listened to Jon's 3 speed 1-18 two years ago and I found it very quiet too (even without sound insulation!). From what I remembered, the poppy washer he just got was a lot noisier (and noisier than mine too) maybe I'm confused, it's been a few years since I connected this machine at Henson's. Unless they swapped the cabinets with the otherwise identical white one I got at the auction. I haven't tried it yet!

On my harvest gold 1-18, I replaced a minimum of parts to make it work and the rollers are a bit noisy. I have new rollers but I didn't install them. Instead, I tried to "resurface" the old ones with my bench grinder to remove the flat spots (and this machine is one of the newer ones with the aluminum drive roller). They have worked ever since but the agitate roller makes some noise during spin!


Post# 795342 , Reply# 8   11/21/2014 at 23:13 (3,414 days old) by bluejay (Havre de Grace, MD)        

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Wow, that washer is mint! I'm always surprised at how the really cool colors never seemed to catch on; poppy is nice looking!

Post# 795361 , Reply# 9   11/22/2014 at 04:35 (3,414 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hmmmmm...

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Beautiful Jon...

I suspect a "Too much coffee Saturday Wash Cam Insanity" is due soon ???


Post# 795366 , Reply# 10   11/22/2014 at 05:51 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
You are Correct Sir Edward - wash cam in the offing

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Phil your memory is correct too, when I ran her she was the noisiest 1-18 I've heard in a long time.  S & T's were if only for the fact of the bellows breathing through the spin shaft - chuff chuff chuff. 

 

John I am going full bore with this one on the sound deadening - as I recall  you used K-mart carpet scraps.

 

Side note, go back and look at the hole pattern in the tub, this was the original hole pattern that was outlined in the patents on this machine. Water is an incompressible fluid which means that at the BDC and TDC of the Jetcone the water was stopped for a second and the sediment would drop out down thru the holes in the bottom of the tub. Later Frigidaire moved them to the side walls for more spin extraction. I prefer original sediment removal- what do YOU prefer?

 

This baby is getting Sound-B-Gone see the link:

 



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Post# 795370 , Reply# 11   11/22/2014 at 06:05 (3,414 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Wow, John, that machine is in amazing condition!   Thank heavens for wealthy families who equipped their summer homes well back in the 60s and 70s!  

 

I have got to figure out a way to get down there soon and see this baby up and runnin'...

 


Post# 795372 , Reply# 12   11/22/2014 at 06:07 (3,414 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Incredible - reminds me of how clean the Maytag set Iooked when I peeked inside(still in use).

I checked the llnk, Jon - do you just apply that to the four sides and bottom(not the lid)..or are there some other surfaces included? Would you get any benefits from double layering?

( I'd like to do that to my washer)


Phil


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Post# 795373 , Reply# 13   11/22/2014 at 06:08 (3,414 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
You better Mister

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The whole New England Chapter is tapping their fingers on porcelain. LOL

 


Post# 795377 , Reply# 14   11/22/2014 at 06:48 (3,414 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Oooooooooooooo !!!

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Good.

I love those Saturday Wash Cams. Especially with the Coffee Overdose !!! LOL


Post# 795472 , Reply# 15   11/22/2014 at 15:56 (3,413 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Jon that poppy 1-18 is gorgeous and looks brand new, no rust and that cabinet is beautiful! Is the dryer in the same condition as well?

Post# 795573 , Reply# 16   11/23/2014 at 06:49 (3,413 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes Mike!

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The white seal around the door is still pristine white and its not crushed, the drum looks like it never took clothes! These are a find !

 


Post# 795574 , Reply# 17   11/23/2014 at 06:52 (3,413 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Reassembly

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Parts I'll  need are up and first is replacing the tub water seal: Pry the old one out with soapy water and install the new.

You can see what I'm writing about, the old seal has collapsed and wont' make good upper contact with the face seal in the tub bottom, so every time the jetcone bounces water can get in.

 

The four holes in the casting under the seal are breather holes for the bellows as they puff.


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Post# 795575 , Reply# 18   11/23/2014 at 06:58 (3,413 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Installed

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and a final lube of the agaitate shaft before the bellows goes in will really quiet things down and make for a  fast Jetcone.

 

I also use NEvaSeeze on most of my installs. Once on parts come off years later.

 

A quick check of the mechanism bolts to be sure they haven't wiggled loose over 40 years. Another source of leaks for the 1-18s. These bolts never get NEvaSeeze as they get blue loctite only!

 


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Post# 795576 , Reply# 19   11/23/2014 at 07:02 (3,413 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Now for the seal in the tub

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bottom:

 

The sintered copper gets replaced with the black teflon, again this seal will run quieter too.

 

Poppy gets her first oil bellows ever. 

 

 

 


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Post# 795577 , Reply# 20   11/23/2014 at 07:07 (3,413 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Next is the

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water bellows and cleaning the crud off clamp nut so it will bite into the new rubber and seal well.

 

Frigidiare made a huge improvement on the 1-18's. The installed a ring washer under the agitator nut a source of big problems in earlier machines. Its always easy to remove a Jetcone without damaging the whole mechanism now !

 

 

 


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Post# 795611 , Reply# 21   11/23/2014 at 13:47 (3,413 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
My My ...

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Did you work all night on Poppy ?

Dr. Frigidaire Indeed !!!


Post# 795617 , Reply# 22   11/23/2014 at 14:21 (3,412 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        
beautiful units Jon....

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this is cool as all get out.....

but wait, you can replace both seals without disassembling the whole unit?...all from the top side?

and where can you find these seals replacements at/from?...part numbers?

thanks

can't wait until its done....


Post# 795624 , Reply# 23   11/23/2014 at 15:13 (3,412 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        

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This is a very good tutorial for the archives here Jon, thanks for taking all the pictures and sharing them.

 

Joe


Post# 795665 , Reply# 24   11/23/2014 at 18:32 (3,412 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Sound deadening in the future

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Yes, great tutorial and when you get to the sound deadening parts, I'd really like to know where applied and if double layering has been attempted or one layer only. I"d like to do the same to my set, Jon.

Post# 795690 , Reply# 25   11/23/2014 at 20:04 (3,412 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Joe

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I forgot you have a Poppy too ! Nice machine.

 

Yes Yogi all seals can be changed above the mechanism. 

I'll look up the parts numbers tomorrow.

 

 


Post# 795692 , Reply# 26   11/23/2014 at 20:07 (3,412 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
When reinstalling the

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stainless sub top clips be careful they bend easily. Later units used coated steel but I prefer the earlier stainless on the S & T models.

 

Best method is to hook lower end in tub hole, then push the sub top down so that the upper hook with teeth can just grab the sub top. The sub top doesn't need much pressure to seal so no force is needed. 

 

 


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Post# 795693 , Reply# 27   11/23/2014 at 20:09 (3,412 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Time for some

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"factory" testing don't you think?

 

ta ta for now

 

 


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Post# 795704 , Reply# 28   11/23/2014 at 21:19 (3,412 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Such a head for Frigidaire 1-18. I'd forgotten you'd cut your washer-teeth on these rollermatics when you were just a pup!

Beautiful work all around. It looks as though you have some sealant or goo on the top of the agitator nut in the pic above, is that the never-seaze?


Post# 795705 , Reply# 29   11/23/2014 at 21:21 (3,412 days old) by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio)        
Jon...

Thanks for showing all this work. I'm getting ready to work on my 1-18
soon but going a little farther into it than you. My "S" model needs a new
spin bearing. I've got the new tub seal and bearing but need a couple more
things before I start.

That poppy set is gorgeous! I almost bought those brand new in 1974 but
bought a set of Maytags instead. They were side by side on the showroom floor
at the local dealership. Who knew?

Bill


Post# 795735 , Reply# 30   11/24/2014 at 01:57 (3,412 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Good for you Bill

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I'd recommend if you are going that far replace both bearings. If one is worn then the other has been taking the stress as well.

 

Thats an easy job once you work around disassembling that pump. I'd be interested to know if the impeller still has all its teeth. The teeth were designed to break off if something got in the pump.

 

Greg, yes I always put neva-seeze on those threads, especially those threads. OMG Greg I love your new avatar LOL ! Ropes of Consumer Reports Clothing there !! LOL


Post# 795764 , Reply# 31   11/24/2014 at 08:25 (3,412 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Seal part numbers

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Last time I ordered WCI still had these : also they come up on ebay

 

Tub seal kit - 6599325

Bellows now there's a lesson! 
If you trained in Unimatics then you know the inner bellows was always called the Oil Seal and the outer bellows the Water seal !

But as we know they eliminated the "oil" seal and brought it back on the 1-18's HOWEVER know I know why it was eliminated ( besides cost ) it got renamed under the 1-18's! It became the "inner water seal" and "outer water seal". Who needed two water seals ?? And the associated costs?? Well Frigidaire found out the hard way don't mess with Unimatic technology!

Inner - as I call it OIL Seal - 5433572 - this is even an old 1950's designation number "543"

Outer -as I call it WATER seal - 659706.

 

Just like Maytag didn't study Bendix front loaders before marketing the Neptune, it seems late 1960's engineers didn't study 1940's Frigidaire mechanisms  and goofed !

 

Tsk tsk !


Post# 795809 , Reply# 32   11/24/2014 at 16:28 (3,411 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Frigidaire Washer Analyzer

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and video reveal something major is wrong!

 

There was a  clank clanking going on in spin, the video reveals 2 problems with the spin wheel>

 

One, the clutch housing is loose on one of the 3 attaching points; causing it to  slam into the spin wheel, see end of video.

It turns out one of the screws was snapped in half with the stub locked in the spin wheel. This causes noise, incorrect clutch engagement and incorrect brake engagement. I had to replace the spin wheel as a second screw snapped in half when I tried to remove it. I've not seen these screws so tight before.

 

The second issue is an aged 1 -18 never spin brakes at the end of spin - I HATE THAT !

 I have always tried adjusting the brake for wear but going back to Doctrine this time it finally sunk in and you can see this in the video. Doctrine states when spin ends the tub is coasting, the spin wheel is free wheeling. In order for the brake to grab there must be a drag on the spin wheel that will cause it to rise up against the brake plate and engage the brake. 
The source of drag was designed to be the carmel spin roller which is between the motor driver and spin wheel. It should always be in light contact with the spin wheel. This will create the drag necessary to engage the braking mechanism. But as you can see in the video as soon as the motor shuts off the roller stops dead ! It should be dragging, free wheeling with the spin wheel- but its not. That means it is worn down to the point there is no light contact at neutral between the roller and spin wheel. No contact = no drag, no drag = no braking!

 

A new roller is needed, so we'll see if that will solve the problem of "lFb" "lackadaisical Frigidaire braking" ! 



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Post# 795821 , Reply# 33   11/24/2014 at 18:09 (3,411 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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What caused the screws to snap, were they torqued beyond specs? Great instructional thread...even if I'm at the bottom of the pile of experience. It's a good video.

Post# 795872 , Reply# 34   11/24/2014 at 22:44 (3,411 days old) by HooverWheelAway ()        

Jon, this thread is fascinating! You're such a Fountain of 1-18 knowledge! Keep it coming! :-)


Post# 795876 , Reply# 35   11/24/2014 at 23:17 (3,411 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
BEEEEEAAAAUTIFUL!!!

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what a shiney & brand new looking frigidaire 1-18.
and that is so cool that you can use that checker thing to see how the frigidaire spins and agitates at the different speeds. and all that with just a turn of that little knob!!! awesome.

can't wait until you get this poppy beauty up & running!!!
thanks for the GREAT pictures...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

:o)


Post# 795917 , Reply# 36   11/25/2014 at 07:57 (3,411 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thank you Hippie Doll

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and thank you Fred. Glad to hook a vaccumboy on at least ONE washer LOL !

 

Phil on the spin wheel screws I think they were torqued too tight to begin with. These screws come with lock washers so there is no need to consider torquing them. Just turning one my screwdriver snapped the head off and there was no sign of corrosion anywhere near the spin wheel. So that's what makes me think there was a big worker-boss fight that day on the plant floor; and the worker CRANKED upped the screw gun to mega-screw setting so all those machines that day got over torqued LOL!

 

 


Post# 795919 , Reply# 37   11/25/2014 at 08:13 (3,411 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I haven't played with my new 1-18 washers yet! That's a very interesting thread as I didn't do much on the one I already had and I'm learning here!

One thing I noticed about the tub brake on my 1-18 is that it doesn't work the first time after the machine had been sitting for a while but after a few uses, it starts to work fine again!





Post# 795936 , Reply# 38   11/25/2014 at 12:16 (3,411 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Big Worker Boss

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LOL! Jon, LOL!

thank you for guiding me into that one. :-)


Post# 796053 , Reply# 39   11/26/2014 at 11:59 (3,410 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
your

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welcome Phil , glad I could help.

 

Well the sound deadening came yesterday, but its  high holy days so no work until this weekend.

Enjoy your turkey everyone!

 

Dr. Frigidiare


Post# 796168 , Reply# 40   11/26/2014 at 23:45 (3,409 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Jon - I'm sure it's going to be jaw-dropping quiet..Happy Thanksgiving to you and all....


Phil



Post# 796203 , Reply# 41   11/27/2014 at 10:06 (3,409 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Jon, I used my 1-18 yesterday and made a small video of it. I should replace the agitate roller that's noisy during the spin. I really like this machine. Note that the tub brake didn't work at all when I got it and I never fixed it but now it works everytime!






Post# 796490 , Reply# 42   11/29/2014 at 16:23 (3,406 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
yeah

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I'm thinking of putting on another roller there too.

 

This spin brake is a twitchy thing  i find ill be interested to see how long yours works Phil

 

Its a northEAST race now for the best 1-18 out of the auction!!!


Post# 796494 , Reply# 43   11/29/2014 at 16:49 (3,406 days old) by lamont ()        
Go to your local Homedepot....

And buy a roll of "Ice and water shield". You'll find it in the Roofing isle. Same exact stuff as "Dynamat/SoundKiller/Any number of brand names" and a third of the cost.

Link below is 200 sq/ft for 89.99


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Post# 796682 , Reply# 44   11/30/2014 at 15:19 (3,405 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
great tip!

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I'll definitely check that out Aaron !

Thanks

 

 


Post# 796818 , Reply# 45   12/1/2014 at 12:40 (3,405 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Outer water bellows-

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New part # 5300638860, may still be available, I got several of them a while back.

Post# 797012 , Reply# 46   12/2/2014 at 17:33 (3,403 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
JEFF THANK YOU

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for that part number  update, it seems Frigidaire was always updating part numbers !!

 

 


Post# 797013 , Reply# 47   12/2/2014 at 17:37 (3,403 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Today

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I changed out the spin roller for a new one and found a surprise. Its always good to completely go over a machine even if it looks in fine condition. I found the spin to be particularly noisy on this machine and as you remember I changed out a broken spin wheel but still did not have braking at cycle's end.

 

Frigidaire updated the rollers on the 1-18 in the later 70's , they added swipers to the roller cages to help keep the surface clean and prolong the roundness of the rollers. Lumping makes the machine very noisy and inefficient.

 

Here you can see the difference between the original and new roller:

 


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Post# 797015 , Reply# 48   12/2/2014 at 17:41 (3,403 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I decided before install

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to check the new dimension against the old because the old roller did not "drag" enough to engage the brake mechanism.

I found the old roller had worn down by a half millimeter  see the gauge reading: old roller 56.5 new 57 mm.

 

This is not a lot but if it doesn't drag it doesn't brake.

However that said I discovered a defect upon removal of the old roller.

 


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Post# 797017 , Reply# 49   12/2/2014 at 17:55 (3,403 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The defect

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It seems damage was done to the original roller:

 

It could be one of two things. 1 ) with the counter weight of the spin wheel constantly flapping against the spin wheel that caused a banging which I could hear on first inspection , that banging would be transferred to the roller like a hammer strike through metal.

 

OR 

 

2- Again we have the boss / worker fight that day at the factory. The bolt holding the roller was overtorqued - again ! If you over torque these you can break the bakelite bearing holder on them or even cause them to lock up and not be able to turn. Look at #4 just under my finger you can see the bronze bearing exposed which it shouldn't be visible, it should look like the lower newer roller encased in black bakelite. When the bakelite is broken like that the roller can float way out of line and not maintain proper contact at any time in the cycle.

In any event you should learn how to feel the correct "tight" when installing rollers in a 1-18. 

What you want is a secure metal to metal contact of the roller cage and the mechanism you bolt too. But you don't want to squish the cage down onto the roller bearing as that will inhibit the floating motion of the roller which is key to this whole design. 

That is why BLUE loctite is ALWAYS installed in the bolts that hold the Rollers. New loctite everytime !!

Its the Locktite that ends up holding the roller bolt in place and leaves enough wiggle for the roller to move around in its cage.

This original roller was too tight or hit too many times as the bakelite was shattered. That allows the roller to float wayyyyyyyyy out of range in the cage so there never would be braking after spin.

We'll see if this new roller can restore that braking. 1-18 braking is elusive on an old machine, believe me. Once you take apart a 1-18 its luck to get that back. 

Lets see how accurate DOCTRINE is for these machines. Testing follow. Loctite takes 24 hours to set.

 

And I can tell you "Assembly-Boy" installed the loctite in the wrong portion of this bolt. It never contacted the threads in the mechanism he applied it to high on the bolt - too close to the head of the bolt!!

 

-Damn "Assembly-Boy" !!

 


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Post# 797030 , Reply# 50   12/2/2014 at 19:19 (3,403 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Interesting!

 

Jon, did you get my email in response to yours about the part numbers?


Post# 797034 , Reply# 51   12/2/2014 at 20:08 (3,403 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I was just thinking ....you might want to replace that drive belt while your there...nothing worse than an old belt snapping in these machines...it isn't the easiest to replace since one has to undo all the hoses for the pump. When I replced the belt in my WC-6 , it wasn't a quick 2 minute job that's for sure!

Post# 797035 , Reply# 52   12/2/2014 at 20:13 (3,403 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Great Restoration Jon

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But I have always said and as you have shown us, GM Frigidaire Roller-matic Washers, Agiatetub Skinny-Minis, 1970s Frigidaire Ice-Makers and 1-18 Dryers were all very interesting appliances that required careful assembly.

WCI diffidently made a good decision when they chose not to try continue building GM FD appliances.

To make these appliances actually function at all it took the engineering talent and skill of General Motors, WCI would have never been able to make a 1-18 work, LOL.

John L.


Post# 797110 , Reply# 53   12/3/2014 at 06:21 (3,403 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
WELL John

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truer words never spoken: GM was trying out the rollermatic transmission in the washers for a future car tranmission. They had a patent on an roller tranmission for cars, and if I remember correctly the Chevy Citation was earmarked for this transmission but it never made it into production.  So GM was experimenting a lot with its engineers.

 

Phil and I have compiled a list of rollers for these machines from 1964-1979. Its a pretty confusing list and represents a lot of re-engineering but it will serve as a guide for you roller-shoppers out there when searching for NOS parts or good used parts.

Frigidaire Rollers

 

Laundry Center 24”

6599264    & 633954  & 1134066  spin roller

 

1964-65 Frigidaire Impact Clutch

 

631407   or 7533505   Spin Roller

 

7533507    Agitate Roller

 

6597633 kit for both rollers

 

1965  Washer  spring mount (replaced by the 7533505 and 7533507 as shown above)

 

7523975     agitate

 

7523977     spin     both are early spring mount not retractable

 

1965-1966   Impact Clutch 1010 Rapidry models (or 4 speed)

 

7527457      spin

 

7523975  & 7533507    agitate

 

7534928  solenoid activated

 

1966-1967-1968-1969-1970 Sure Spin Clutch (all except 1010 speed models)

 

 7533507  Agitate 

 

 6597843 Roller kit for WAK WA2K WAL WA2L (includes 7534742 roller)

 

 6597633 kit  (includes 7533505 & 7533507 rollers) All other "K" and "L” models

 

 631637 Roller "N" models (spin speed reduced in 1968 non-rapidry models)

 

 

 

 

 

1967-1968-1969-1970  Sure Spin Clutch 1010 Rapidry models (3 or 4 speed).

 

7533507      agitate

 

7534928  Spin (solenoid actuated)

 

7527457 Spin (water pump)

 

1967-1968-1969-1970  Variable speed  models

 

7534928  solenoid 1010 spin roller

 

7533507  agitate

 

 

S  &  T   All 1-18 models

 

634723        agitate

 

1132205 ( early)     1133133 ( swiping roller )  spin

 

1-18 OUTER WATER BELLOWS  5300638860              

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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Post# 797118 , Reply# 54   12/3/2014 at 06:41 (3,403 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Mike

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I've inspected the belt and it looks absolutely mint to me so I'm gonna take a chance on it going forwards.

 

It should be ready for the wash in when PAUL & PHIL get their butts down here !!!

 


Post# 797497 , Reply# 55   12/5/2014 at 07:49 (3,401 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Jetcone's

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Qui-A-Pak II systems gets installed.


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Post# 797504 , Reply# 56   12/5/2014 at 08:32 (3,401 days old) by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio)        
Luv it Jon...

It's staring to look like a booster rocket for
the next space mission!

Hope this makes a noticeable difference. Did you take a decibel
reading before to compare with the results after?


Post# 797506 , Reply# 57   12/5/2014 at 08:44 (3,401 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Bill

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What a cool analogy Thank YOU ! I just watched Nova's piece on Neil A Armstrong last nite  brought back a wave of memories and emotions. I highly recommend it.

 

 

I don't have a sound meter but its quiet, In testing very quiet so far without the cabinet installed. Videos to follow - stay tuned to this channel.

 

Poppy just passed her water test, the bottom half is now completed. You can see me installing the hoses with the "approved" Coldspot pliers ! Testing Standards must be upheld!

 

 


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Post# 797510 , Reply# 58   12/5/2014 at 09:29 (3,401 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Qui-a-Pak II is so thin and easy to apply. I have a dumb question, why is the inside of the casing given a spot treatment of insulation, in patches vs. covering the entire inside? I know you covered the outside of the tub, so less is needed?

Reply #2 reminded me a satellite/rocket prep area photo, seen many times before in print. And then it reminded me that washing in space is here or will be soon enough, as NASA picked UMPQUA (Research Co.) has one ready(www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space...)

It's amazing how your washer isn't so much smaller than Carpenter's rocket escape area(1962).


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Post# 797513 , Reply# 59   12/5/2014 at 10:00 (3,401 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Just like Phil,
I was wondering why not covering the entire cabinet with insulation or the whole outer tub?! I imagine that small patches are enough to dampen the vibration in the cabinet?


Post# 797523 , Reply# 60   12/5/2014 at 11:10 (3,401 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
FD 1-18 With Quite-PAC

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Good Job Jon, I wounder if it will be as quite as mine, the race is on.

Post# 797530 , Reply# 61   12/5/2014 at 11:49 (3,401 days old) by Kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
SPL meter

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If you have a smart phone like an iPhone (or even a slightly less smart Android) there is an App for that!!

There are both free and cheap apps, be sure read the reviews. I bought the Studio Six Audio Tools package that does lots of other cool sound stuff too.

Head to the App Store and let the competition ensue. There should be a standard distance established for meter placement.



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Post# 797541 , Reply# 62   12/5/2014 at 13:32 (3,401 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Nice job with the sound insulation Jon! I knew these are not the quietest machines on the planet since they let you know that a heavy duty beast is at work in your laundry, pulsing away.

Post# 797653 , Reply# 63   12/6/2014 at 08:11 (3,400 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Jetcone Improvement # J1

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In taking a long look at the noise generation capabilities of these machines I spotted a few more areas that needed my attention. Places John LeFever missed in his machine.

 

The springs are a source of great noise along with low water level washing in the 1-18's.  If you will notice, the springs attach to the base plate with metal to metal hooks. This is no different than a sounding board on a GRAND PIANO !

Also the tub will act like a big timpan drum and the cabinet will help to resonate all this sound.

In thinking on it I first tried using rubber hose hooked around the ends of the springs. Too cumbersome and  it wouldn't stay put. Then it hit me electrical tape, nice and gooey, might stay in place and deaden the spring resonances. 

So I taped all the hook ends of the springs. See the vidotic proof today ! Here and now !

To answer the question of not completely covering the cabinet panels or the baseplate- all you need to do is dampen the resonances in the sheet metal to silence the noise. You don't need to create a complete shield to damp out the incredibly loud pounding of a 1 -18.

 

 



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Post# 797654 , Reply# 64   12/6/2014 at 08:23 (3,400 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
A running test

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Note: How quiet the machine is now in slow/ fast agitation and in slow/fast spin. No more rattling of the out of tune springs. Their oscillations are no longer transferred to the tub ( drum) and baseplate ( sounding board).

The tapping in spin was caused by my magnetic trouble lamp on the back of the tub. At the end I remove the noise so you can hear the true sound without the tapping.

The tub also spins quieter due to that black teflon water seal I installed, no more tub spin ringing from the original copper seal.

Also note with the new Spin Roller installed Poppy is braking on her own again ! First time I've ever got a rebuilt 1-18 to brake again !

 



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Post# 797655 , Reply# 65   12/6/2014 at 08:33 (3,400 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Race begins indeed - I'm so impressed with those springs! Did you just wrap the entire hood end of the spring?

My Holy Grail 1-18 needs a spa treatment and some sound dampening as well, this is a great thread!!


Post# 797661 , Reply# 66   12/6/2014 at 08:49 (3,400 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
"Show me what you look like when you're telling the

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""Show me what you look like when you're telling the truth" from the radio at the end, kind of correlated to the job of silencing it. Truthfully, you see what it looks(sounds) like. :-) Other conversations heard, before removing the mag.trouble lamp reveal the quiet-a-pakII doing the job.

You're a master at the craft…enjoying the show.


Post# 797681 , Reply# 67   12/6/2014 at 10:40 (3,400 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I'm quite impressed Jon!

Post# 797685 , Reply# 68   12/6/2014 at 10:55 (3,400 days old) by Travis ()        

Jon,

That's really great to see you make an already great example of this machine, top notch. You truly are a master.


Post# 797694 , Reply# 69   12/6/2014 at 12:03 (3,400 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thanks Phil, Phil, & Travis

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This is one of my favorite models so its fun to revisit them, I made good $$ off these in the 1980's !!

 

Greg, I wrapped the entire hook end and down the spring leg a bit too, to help damp the spring too. 

 

I forgot to mention in the running video all you hear from the mechanism now is the chuff chuff of the bellows breathing in and out. Like a steam engine.

 

 

 


Post# 797708 , Reply# 70   12/6/2014 at 13:23 (3,400 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Jon, one other spring dampening trick to consider trying someday is a piece of resilient rubber hose. Something like stretchy latex or silicone tubing. Find a suitable size that fits snugly and slip it over the coils of the spring. Its a great way to damp any ringing!

Great thread to follow along, carry on!


Post# 797711 , Reply# 71   12/6/2014 at 13:37 (3,400 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Spring Coating

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What about dipping the ends of the springs in that colored liquid rubber used to recoat tools?

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Post# 797712 , Reply# 72   12/6/2014 at 13:38 (3,400 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Oh...

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and this is a GREAT THREAD!

Jon, you are a MADMAN and a GENIUS!

Malcolm


Post# 797739 , Reply# 73   12/6/2014 at 15:56 (3,399 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yeah Phil

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I did think about that but thought it would interfere with the spring constant too much. It probably isn't crucial in this machine. Maybe I'll try that on my 3 Speed.

Wait you don't me on the coiled metal wire do you? You mean over the whole coil?



Post# 797742 , Reply# 74   12/6/2014 at 16:07 (3,399 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Hooker?

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Just the hook ends where they hang on the tub. (I think)

Malcolm


Post# 797755 , Reply# 75   12/6/2014 at 18:13 (3,399 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I was thinking along the same lines as Phil, some sort of wrap will quiet those springs down.....

on one Neptune dryer, the idler spring would 'sing' from the vibration when running, I used the foam you wrap pipes with for insulation....just a two inch piece centered over the spring quieted it right down.....amazing the noise that thing would generate, took a while to figure out where the noise was coming from...


noticed later that a few machines had a plastic mesh sleeve slid over the spring.....guess Maytag figured that one out too....

interesting things we come up with.....


love your work Jon.......

can't we have something like a weekend workshop and bring our 1-18's in for classroom rebuilds?....maybe at JohnL's in DC?


Post# 797759 , Reply# 76   12/6/2014 at 18:43 (3,399 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1-18 Noise Reduction

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A good way of damping spring noise is to stuff really heavy foam rubber inside the coils of the springs.

Jon Be sure to bring your sound meter when you visit later this month, you might be surprised how quite my 1-18 is.


Post# 797768 , Reply# 77   12/6/2014 at 19:14 (3,399 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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It's wonderful!  You've done an amazing job, again, Jon!   You simply must come to Ogden and bring that brain transfer hat - we need to make the Dominion and the Hotpoint spin again... 

 

I think I may have to try some of that quiet-pack on the 56 GE dish-smasher... LOL  

 

 


Post# 797778 , Reply# 78   12/6/2014 at 21:24 (3,399 days old) by Kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Jon, yes just slip a snugs resilient sleeve of rubber tube over the coils to damp it. It won't alter the rate to any significant degree.

I have seen this done on various audio devices like mechanical reverb plates where resonances are a problem.


Post# 797798 , Reply# 79   12/7/2014 at 01:12 (3,399 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
All super ideas !

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John I will bring my SQL meter down Phil showed me where to get one !! It will be fun to compare, now no stuffing extra deadening - I remember carpet remnants was all you had in there !!

 

 


Post# 797818 , Reply# 80   12/7/2014 at 04:19 (3,399 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
If General Motors was still...

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If GM was still building appliances, they would be fools not to have you head up the engineering and design department.

Just fantastic Jon. Can't wait to hear Poppy in action.

John and I will try to make it up this week.


Post# 797838 , Reply# 81   12/7/2014 at 09:35 (3,399 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wow

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what a compliment Eddie -- thank you!

 

See you sooner I hope.

 

jon

 


Post# 797846 , Reply# 82   12/7/2014 at 10:42 (3,399 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1-18 Noise Reduction

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Jon, there was only low pile carpet in it when you last heard it, but the gloves are off now, you will really need to do your homework to catch up now.

John L.


Post# 797871 , Reply# 83   12/7/2014 at 12:57 (3,399 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Oooooooo !!!

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This ought to be good !!!

The Great Silent 1-18 Soundproof Off !!!

An AW.org First.


Post# 797875 , Reply# 84   12/7/2014 at 13:17 (3,399 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Will I - Mother Superior!!!

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Good video Eddie !! Stay tuned everyone for the "SOUND OFF" !

 

What did you do now John, line it with that lime green shag carpeting you remodeled your home with ??

 

 

 

 


Post# 797902 , Reply# 85   12/7/2014 at 15:57 (3,398 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Secret 1-18 Noise Reduction Program

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Jon just for that I am not even going to let you see inside my 1-18, but you may want to get a new hearing aid before you visit. I am incorporating several Whirlpool patented sound reducing ideas on the 1-18, and one from Maytag's Norge-Tag division.

And don't think of sneaking down here early to get an advanced look, Jason has installed a camera surveillance system to keep the appliances safe.

I hope this doesn't keep you up past your bedtime, LOL.


Post# 797974 , Reply# 86   12/7/2014 at 21:15 (3,398 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Beware

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Customer59 Always gets his man !

 


Post# 798695 , Reply# 87   12/12/2014 at 03:20 (3,394 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Jon, do you have any spare stainless steel sub top clips? I noticed that one is missing from my WCD3T washer.

I just replaced the agitate roller in my other 1-18, I had it waiting in it's box for a few years! (mine doesn't have the swiper like yours).
I should have replaced it before, much less noisy now! I didn't attempt at adding any insulation, I was tempted to do something with the springs like you did I'll wait to see your and John's results first!



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Post# 798921 , Reply# 88   12/13/2014 at 18:08 (3,392 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Sound-deadening carpet

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Use the shag from the Kenmore catalog kitchen.


Post# 798973 , Reply# 89   12/14/2014 at 02:45 (3,392 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
WOW Phil

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Beautiful set there ! TOL lighted controls !!   Is that a 3 speed washer? 

And your spin brake is way ahead of mine - how much play does the spin wheel have ,how tight did you crank the wheel nut? I've misplaced my special socket and can't get a good purchase on the nut on my spin wheel !! Help !!

 

And its amazing how noisy that agitate roller is in spin !! 

 

I just found a set of steel sub top clips in doing a parts inventory. 

But I don't have a set of ss clips. Sorry

 

 


Post# 798999 , Reply# 90   12/14/2014 at 08:29 (3,392 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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This is a great thread!! I'm now able to discern from the sounds of my 1-18 what it needs to restore it to it's true reliquary status.







Post# 799001 , Reply# 91   12/14/2014 at 08:42 (3,392 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
You better duck n cover

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Mister Nate there ! SHAG indeed !

 

 


Post# 799003 , Reply# 92   12/14/2014 at 08:44 (3,392 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
GAWD GREG

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your Indexing looks perfect !!! A+++++++++++, H++++

GAH thats beautiful TOL 118

 

 


Post# 799021 , Reply# 93   12/14/2014 at 09:46 (3,392 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Jon, mine is just a few months too new to have a 3 speed motor. This is a set that I also got in Queensbury 3 years ago.

The agitate roller had a flat spot on it and it wouldn't agitate. I did order one at that time but I couldn't wait to get it so I tried to fix that with my bench grinder.

It worked well enough that I never bothered to install the new one until last week!


Post# 799143 , Reply# 94   12/14/2014 at 23:39 (3,391 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

How big (width and length) is the 1-18 washtub compare to the Maytag's 806 or 712 tub?

Post# 799360 , Reply# 95   12/16/2014 at 03:15 (3,390 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
So I pushed, heaved, measured

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hip checked and re-measured. And the machines were groaning back at me discontended with being shoved from their sitting places. BUT I  was able through 'washer-determination' to squeeze another bare 27 inches out of the basement !!

 

Now whats going to go there?? I wonder.....

 

 


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Post# 799362 , Reply# 96   12/16/2014 at 03:16 (3,390 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Ta Da! Drum roll please

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You guessed it !


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Post# 799363 , Reply# 97   12/16/2014 at 03:18 (3,390 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The virgin load

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goes in!

And its a race between two flappers!

 


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Post# 799365 , Reply# 98   12/16/2014 at 03:32 (3,390 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
It seemed

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everything went perfect with the virgin load-- videos to follow.

 

But the second load revealed something.

The deadly burning motor smell. Something I've never had with a 1-18

 

Back to Doctrine- In rebuilding the spin wheel I noticed the factory setting for the clutch and decided on a whim to move it up two notches since it was 40 years old. 

Tsk tsk ! Doing things by caveat is never a good idea, always follow Doctrine in new territory! 

 

After some serious digging-- and you have to do that with Frigidaire Doctrine because not every edition has all the information you need!

You do need several years worth of doctrine to get to the bottom of things from time to time.

Quote me "Yes not all service manuals are complete and Frigidaire is notorious for this !! "

I had to read the "S" manual which was not complete and turned to the "T" manual and found what I needed.  It is obscurely buried even in the "T" manual- but it is there. 

There is a torque setting that needs to be checked for the spin clutch. The value has to be 18-24 inch-pounds. That's right" inch-pounds".  Since my current torque wrench only reads "foot-pounds" it meant a trip to that holy of holies "Harbor Freight". 

Once secured I set up the torque wrench to discover my clutch was set to 55 inch-pounds. ( absolute horror at myself )  I had cranked it up so much by moving the settings 2 increments up -( by caveat I might add )- that I had put the motor in jeopardy because the clutch was no longer doing its job of letting things slip so the motor could come up to speed under light load.

Tomorrow we go back in for adjustment !

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 799366 , Reply# 99   12/16/2014 at 05:26 (3,390 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Inch Pounds...

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Instead of Foot Pounds ???

Oy !


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Post# 799377 , Reply# 100   12/16/2014 at 07:42 (3,390 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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It was a bolt and nut that got me thinking about torque settings on a washer rebuild. What areas are critical to torque and what aren't..and thought about the very thing you encountered, where service manual information is either missing or maybe elsewhere.

Great sleuthing to locate the torque settings. Experience is still a good start, eh Jon? :-)

..and your restoration thread continues to grow in interest.


Post# 799387 , Reply# 101   12/16/2014 at 10:14 (3,390 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I recall in previous research on a project that conversion between inch-pounds and foot-pounds is by multiplier/divisor of 12, same as inches & feet of length.  But I only researched it once ...


Post# 799394 , Reply# 102   12/16/2014 at 11:31 (3,390 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
yes Glenn

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but a f-p torque wrench will never have the sensitivity so conversation doesn't help in this case.

 

 


Post# 799407 , Reply# 103   12/16/2014 at 12:56 (3,390 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I have a similar issue with a spin clutch that's too tight on one of my Rollermatic Rapidry washers (with the Sure-Spin clutch). I do have the adjusting tool but I haven't done it yet. On the 1967-70 Rapidry models, the brake can be adjusted by the nut that holds the clutch basket on the spin shaft but the spin clutch has to be adjusted with a special tool.



Post# 799439 , Reply# 104   12/16/2014 at 17:18 (3,389 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        

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My consolation on have to re-adjust the clutch.  I did this exact same thing myself on the last solid-tub Rapidry I rebuilt.  I don't have the benefit of the clutch adjusting tool (but I'll buy one from anyone wanting to sell an extra) and I knew darn well I wasn't pulling the pump again just to adjust that clutch.  I devised a system with three screwdrivers to adjust it with. Difficult and treacherous to use but it did the job.  Fortunately the 1-18 clutch is easier to deal with.  Looking forward to the videos.


Post# 799463 , Reply# 105   12/16/2014 at 19:25 (3,389 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes I adjusted in the machine today

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all I had to do was disconnect the agitate arm. Once I got the clutch apart I realized something seeing nekkad components before me. For braking to occur the spin wheel has to turn free of the spin shaft when the motor shuts down. I read this in Doctrine but it never really sunk in till I nekkad spin wheel components.

If the clutch is adjusted too tight the spin wheel will always be "locked" to the spin shaft and tub and braking won't initiate. [You also need a full diameter roller as well.  But we've already covered that]

 

I got Poppy adjusted to 20 in-# right smack in the middle between 18-24 in-#. It was up at 50-55 in-#'s !!

What a difference even I couldn't believe it tonight. Just did a 9 pound load. 

With a correct clutch setting the motor brought the tub up to speed faster , in turn the pump was able to pump the water out faster, and lo and behold the brake started engaging like its supposed too do.

And no motor lugging burning smell from start to Jet Spray finish !! HOLLA I've learned something about my favorite machine after umpteen years! Its a good day.

 

Note the error in Doctrine step 4 - to increase the clutch adjust "clockwise".

 


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Post# 799474 , Reply# 106   12/16/2014 at 19:47 (3,389 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Great! Now, time for more videos!


Post# 800022 , Reply# 107   12/21/2014 at 07:50 (3,385 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Some quiet time at the old

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Post# 800027 , Reply# 108   12/21/2014 at 08:11 (3,385 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Not so quiet time

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Rosalie's Zero Suds www.zerosuds.com... in the 1-18. 

The squeaking you hear is the "OLD" speed queen front loader spinning !! LOL



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Post# 800061 , Reply# 109   12/21/2014 at 11:20 (3,385 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Thats amazing how much the sound insulation makes a difference in noise coming from the washer. I wish GM had spend the effort and money to quiet these machines down when they were being built. These washers are truly classics and one of a kind too...much like the Philco Ford washers. My WC-6 1-18 is long gone now...long story...but I do miss it at times.

Post# 800075 , Reply# 110   12/21/2014 at 12:27 (3,385 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
That Commercial...

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Is just fantastic.

Shear Genius. I Love it.

And where on earth did you film it ?

Poppy is very quiet. You did end up using the Shag Rug after all right ??? LOL


Post# 800083 , Reply# 111   12/21/2014 at 12:50 (3,385 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Impressively Quite

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Or is your microphone dying, LOL.

Jason and I have just about finished installing the new upgraded insulation package on my 1-18, when you get here around New Years you will be amazed, maybe you should bring your Poppy machine along and we can do a comparison, and then I can upgrade your machine as well.

John L.


Post# 800092 , Reply# 112   12/21/2014 at 14:17 (3,384 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Jon,

You updated it to a pan-type filter?  


Post# 800137 , Reply# 113   12/21/2014 at 18:32 (3,384 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
Quieting the Jet-Cone

Too bad there isn't anything the can be used to 'line' the inside of the Jet-Cone agitator and 'muffle-out' the sounds the water make as it's forced through the vents and holes.

Post# 800172 , Reply# 114   12/21/2014 at 22:53 (3,384 days old) by A440 ()        
Great Job Jon!

Your machines are so pretty all in a row! Love the different colors together!
Loved the videos. That is one quiet 1-18!
Can I ask you what is the word "Sanitize" for at the rinse part of the Normal Cycle? I never noticed that before.
Also...can't wait to try your Rosalie Detergent. How far along are you on selling it?
B


Post# 800215 , Reply# 115   12/22/2014 at 07:02 (3,384 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thank you all for tuning in !

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Eddie thank you for the kudos they are appreciated ! We filmed the commercial right here in my kitchen! Amazing what the camermen can do! It took a whole weekend and I mean a whole! weekend to shoot. 

The Crew was amazing to watch, they handle light like we handle water ! I mean it , they bend it , diffuse it, bounce it do all kinds to things to it to get the right shot.

 

>>>Amazing John that it will take two of you to compete with one of me for sound deadening. 

 

Phil, I don't have the spare parts to convert to a pan filter, I am on the hunt for them because the pan is so much better. That bed of nails is loose too so it clacks in spin- very annoying after so much work put in for the sound deadening.

 

Rosalie's is going to launch next month,we are getting all the raw materials in right now and putting the finishing touches on the filling machine. Robert and I have talked about putting up a link here at AW for those who would like to purchase it. Stay tuned!

 

 




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Post# 800220 , Reply# 116   12/22/2014 at 07:53 (3,384 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Ha !

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I knew it was your kitchen. ( just being a jerk )

Who are the women ? Relatives ? Friends ?


Post# 800221 , Reply# 117   12/22/2014 at 07:57 (3,384 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Poppy 1/18!

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Hi Jon,
This is a real awsome 1/18 - you did such a great job with the restoration. This is almost just like my aunts poppy set she bought in 74 and she had the basement wall painted poppy to match! Oh what a washer their is no action like JetAction!
Best Wishes,
Peter



Post# 800399 , Reply# 118   12/22/2014 at 20:57 (3,383 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Super quiet and nice graphic pauses in video

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I'm impressed - you could easily whisper around that machine when it's running and be heard. It may be normal, but there is a little rattle noise at the end when it was spinning. Was it just vibrating a little against the other machine(s)?

I love the way the 1-18 adds rinse water with circumferential jets. It sounds so quiet even when the top is open, spinning..its creepy quiet. :-). I too like the placement of your 1-18 in the collection - nice colors.


Post# 802292 , Reply# 119   1/4/2015 at 19:55 (3,370 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The Silent 1-18 Has Been Verified

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Jon C. and Greg N. has been here for most of the week and they finally tested my 1-18 and Jon admitted it was quieter than his. When I get back from Minnesota I will take the front off and reveal some of the secret sound proofing tech nicks that were utilized in making the Quietest 1-18 ever built.

This was a fun challenge and I will use some of these ideas on many future rebuilds.

John L.


Post# 802331 , Reply# 120   1/5/2015 at 00:52 (3,370 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Jon L what 1-18 model do you have?

Post# 802332 , Reply# 121   1/5/2015 at 00:56 (3,370 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

And Jon L, what upgraded insulation package did you use? Sounds like it's the best.

Post# 802526 , Reply# 122   1/5/2015 at 23:22 (3,369 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Sorry, nevermind.

Post# 802581 , Reply# 123   1/6/2015 at 09:43 (3,369 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
WHOA NELLIE !!

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I said it was quiet but not as quiet as mine !! Now MS behave !! 

 

Your machine has been bojacked! Your mini fill is wayyyy too high so that deadens sound, I don't know if this is intentional or a mistake. So for a real comparison this has to be repaired. Second [ -10] points to you -as you have an annoying rattle in your control console - N O I S E Y!

 

Third I'm not done yet Wanda !! Next we will need to use the SQL meter Phil recommended to us and do a  1 meter compare at MINI wash - TRUE MINI wash at the correct factory water level.

 

Your copy of the  1967 Frigidaire Lid Sound Deadening was impressive to say the least !!

 

 

May the BEST washer win !

 


Post# 802585 , Reply# 124   1/6/2015 at 10:15 (3,369 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I now have the

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Quietest fabrics softener dispenser ever on a 1-18! No annoying rattle rattle !

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Post# 802699 , Reply# 125   1/6/2015 at 21:11 (3,368 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Great video and love the cocktail in the maiden voyage shot! Great job, wonderful info, and such an intriguing thread! Thanks for all of it!

Post# 802729 , Reply# 126   1/7/2015 at 02:40 (3,368 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        


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Oh Boy...

I was waiting for a response to that comment about quietness.

Wanda... Too funny


Post# 802961 , Reply# 127   1/8/2015 at 13:36 (3,367 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Quietest 1-18 Ever

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My WL is where it has always been, and I don't really see the point of running a mini WL agitation with no clothing at hi-speed, this is not the way I usually use my washers.

The very minor rattle in the control panel has been corrected, funny how it was never noticed till the machine became so silent.

In any event I am done with the so lancing project for now Jon, I figure at best it will take you a year to catch up with my washers silence.

John L.


Post# 803030 , Reply# 128   1/8/2015 at 23:03 (3,366 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
Now we have two winners!

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I won't argue to see who's the 1st and who's the second place winner but both machines are probably the most silently-operating 1-18 machines that remain!

The lid gasket from a late-1960s's washer must be quite effective. I just hate how these trap moisture that eventually destroys the lids.


Now, I have an idea for a new projects for the appliance experts!

 

 

How about making a silent and durable 1-18 dryer?! 

 

Or


How about trying to make a quiet, durable and rust-resistant 1965-73 Frigidaire dishwasher! These machines have a great capacity that's overshadowed by some of their their flaws! I guess they are close to be the Norge 20 lbs of Dishwashers. That probably explains why Montgomery Ward sold them too! And by the way, I love them!

Both projects should be challenging!

;-)


Post# 803034 , Reply# 129   1/9/2015 at 00:11 (3,366 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
Run Silent Run Deep

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Jon-John : you both win, but I'm curious as to what John did to claim a quieter Wanda…I mean, 1-18….

Wanda ? lol.



Post# 803036 , Reply# 130   1/9/2015 at 00:28 (3,366 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Well, I already looked into the claimed quietest dishwasher in the market, the Bosch and searched for their sound deadening features. The plan was to use these for my 1-18 when I find one in NYC. But Jon L, I still would love and appreciate what you used and done to make your 1-18 the "quietest".

Post# 803162 , Reply# 131   1/9/2015 at 21:44 (3,365 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Will it!!

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You have yet to reveal up under her skirt like you promised John

 

 


Post# 806994 , Reply# 132   2/1/2015 at 03:00 (3,343 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        
Have a look!!

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And listen...!

 

 

;-)

 





Post# 807371 , Reply# 133   2/2/2015 at 19:27 (3,341 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Quiet 1-18 ?

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It is a good thing you two were talking loudly so we could here you over the washer, but then I guess you had to to hear each other, LOL.



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Post# 807397 , Reply# 134   2/3/2015 at 00:34 (3,341 days old) by A440 ()        

Great Video!

Very quiet.

 


Post# 807403 , Reply# 135   2/3/2015 at 00:52 (3,341 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Haaa...I notice that too...lol.


Post# 807406 , Reply# 136   2/3/2015 at 01:11 (3,341 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I can't open your link John.

Post# 807423 , Reply# 137   2/3/2015 at 05:54 (3,341 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The silent 1-18 Washer Link

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There is actually no link, when we were trying to record our silent 1-18 washer the mike could not pickup any sound [ we need a more sensitive mike ] so we were trying to find some good background music instead, in any event we will get this together yet.


Post# 807426 , Reply# 138   2/3/2015 at 06:23 (3,341 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well John

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If you actually plug the machine in you might hear something. It does run on electricity.

 

Tsk Tsk for giving the club a false lead there....



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