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Speed Queen to offer heater option......on 'International export' F/L models |
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Post# 799423   12/16/2014 at 15:30 (3,390 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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I asked Speed Queen if they were going to offer their TOL fully electronic top and front load washers and dryers in 220/240V export voltage and also if the F/L washer would come with a heater: this was their response via Facebook this morning:
'Yes, Speed Queen offers products in multiple voltage configurations for many global markets. The 2015 front load washer will be available with a heating option in select, international configurations'
They didn't mention if the US domestic model would be offered with this option as i didn't ask.
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Post# 799433 , Reply# 1   12/16/2014 at 16:51 (3,389 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 799441 , Reply# 2   12/16/2014 at 17:51 (3,389 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 799442 , Reply# 3   12/16/2014 at 17:59 (3,389 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 799447 , Reply# 4   12/16/2014 at 18:34 (3,389 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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if something sells well in some markets sometimes the popular options will bleed over into other markets. |
Post# 799461 , Reply# 5   12/16/2014 at 19:18 (3,389 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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"The 2015 front load washer will be available with a heating option in select, international configurations"
Will these washers in question goint to be sold as "commercial" or "residential" units? I am wondering because we essentially have the same Speed Queen washers over here that are sold in the US. However, because our models are labeled "commercial", they can get away with using very powerful heaters (several thousand watts). I could well imagine that, as long as a model in the US is labeled "residential", it won't get a heater thanks to Energy Star, while the sister machine, labeled "commercial", will receive a heating element. |
Post# 799469 , Reply# 6   12/16/2014 at 19:41 (3,389 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 799471 , Reply# 7   12/16/2014 at 19:44 (3,389 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 799480 , Reply# 8   12/16/2014 at 19:53 (3,389 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 799495 , Reply# 9   12/16/2014 at 21:15 (3,389 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 799496 , Reply# 10   12/16/2014 at 21:19 (3,389 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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A lot of these Euro models have built in heaters, so I hope some of the Queens do ;) :D
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Post# 799500 , Reply# 11   12/16/2014 at 21:55 (3,389 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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My '04 Speed Queen washer has a heater, I bought it from Bob in Cleveland (as John mentioned above) and it's a great washer. The Spot-B-Gone boosted hot cycle is running right now!
As far as flexibility, I really don't miss the many cycle options that I've had on other modern f/l washers. The nine minute wash on Regular cycle is good for most loads and properly pre-treated problems come right out with a good HE detergent.
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Post# 799521 , Reply# 12   12/17/2014 at 01:54 (3,389 days old) by Newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 799540 , Reply# 13   12/17/2014 at 07:57 (3,389 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The SQ FL Washers with heaters are 900 watts and do very well at heating the water to around 150F. You do not need thousands of watts of heat when you are starting with hot water, usually from a gas water heater in the US.
Generally North American laundry equipment is much more energy efficient that European home laundry appliances. In the US we generally use economical Gas Heated hot water instead of electricity and we often use Gas Vented clothes dryers that are light years ahead of using a condenser electric dryer in terms of operating costs not to mention how much less carbon dioxide is put in to the atmosphere using a gas dryer. John L. |
Post# 799546 , Reply# 14   12/17/2014 at 09:15 (3,389 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 799578 , Reply# 16   12/17/2014 at 15:02 (3,389 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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OH....but they did answer the question..I don't expect any heater to be available to the USA. We don't live in an international market. International... is code word for foreign. |
Post# 799586 , Reply# 20   12/17/2014 at 16:19 (3,389 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I disagree. Euro machines fill with cold water, which requires a longer time or more wattage. Up in the north water is stone cold in the winter, so heating water from 40 degrees to 150 takes time. A 900 watt heater will work, but take time, a lot of time. Doubling or tripling the wattage cuts back on time. I know because I have experimented with 230 volt Euro models. It makes a difference.
Also, not all dryers are gas. An electric dryer is less efficient than a condenser. Even if you did have gas, consider that all vent dryers pull a large amount of air (cubic feet per minute) out of your home. So unless the outside air is equal to the inside air in temperature; your AC or heating system needs to work more to compensate when ever running a vent dryer. I fail to see the efficiency in that. |
Post# 799642 , Reply# 22   12/18/2014 at 00:49 (3,388 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Id say on topic, a point well worth brining up :)
My understanding is that vacuum motors convert most energy to heat rather than HP. I think this has something to do with advertising wattage since a higher wattage might come across as more power. Easy give away: when one runs a vacuum cleaner the air that comes out the back is very warm, even hot. Personally, keeping the HP but developing a more efficient motor (like a high frequency inverter motor) is a better option than limiting size or suction power. |
Post# 799647 , Reply# 23   12/18/2014 at 02:04 (3,388 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I was just thinking at how maniacs are getting in the US compared to here in europe.
Believe me, they're getting eco paranoid. Regarding the last matter of the vacuums though, the US doesn't do that because as noted the "crazy" wattage thing has been a typical european thing....and it was really time to give it a cut....it was one of those "all smoke-no roast" selling strategy things.... Regarding euro front loaders, I would like to point out some facts that may miss... In many countries of europe they always came with cold fill only, and no...it wasn't because of the stain setting theory (which I never experienced) some members likes to tell, almost like saying it's made on purpose because of this, it isn't.. but that's simply because some countries had not proper hook ups in laundry areas..and that simply wasn't possible. Infact thats a peculiarity of British machines to be double fill, britsh kept their machines in the kitchen, in the kitchen you always have had hot water..simple.. In other countries such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain not ...and you do get cold fill only....but it's full of people here who buy devices and or manually fill them hot and as hot as possible to save electric costs, not a case that the toploaders may them be agitator or the asian pulsator such as the LG are considered and sold as the most efficient and eco-saving machines, in this country and I know also elsewhere ....they wish they had all machines came with double fill now that many house have the possibility to have the hook ups and hot water is available nearly everywhere in modern houses made past 70s and 80s... Built-in heaters in machines became a necessity because of what said before, just like it was even with the semi automatic agitatior machines that came before automatics, twin tub and or wringer washers. See most of the EU twin tub and wringer washer machines with agitator, pulsator whatever settings.... Storage water heaters; Actually I think that the fact of the storage water heaters is much more complicated than that.. Let's say Europe generally has never had a huge use of the tanks, not because of efficiency but simply because the living spaces in many countries of europe are much smaller, that means few would have space to fit a large water heater, so they had to switch to an insta one.... Buildings and homes in europe in the past didn't have centralized hot water piping and it was difficult to do so because most houses are brick houses and that meant a very expensive work to do, so that meant having to place a small insta water heater whenever needed, so one in the bathrrom feeding the sink and bathrub/shower and a small one in the kitchen... it's common to see bathrooms in older condos and or houses with a water heater on the top of the bathtub in each bathroom....gas lines ran and still runs now outside of houses and buildings, and they were much cheaper to set up versus a centralized hot water piping. Add to it that as typical of many countries of europe, perhaps the most of population (at leas here, including Spain, France etc) lives in condos and the indipendent houses are things for "wealthy" folks, this is even more in medium to large towns and cities... Yes, there were some tank heaters of course, both electric and gas, but they were so small... about 30-40 liters the bigger... bigger units couldn't cope with the small/limited living space and they were too small anyway, so they couldn't and wouldn't give satisfactory amount of hot water needed especially for family with kids, 1-2 quick showers and you already ran out of Hot water, so best option was to use instant ones that were small and made best use of space, and this is since the old days (In Russia is also the same even for buildings made after the 70s and 80s), that configuaration even by giving water less hot, made possible it would never "end"... Always for the same reasons... Modern instant gas heaters are small and made as compact as you can, though powerful ones and combi ones furnace+heater according to regulations should be to be kept outside, so there are models that with the same space use do both home heating and sanitary water, they can feed up to 7-8 radiators for home heating and provide sanitary water as hot as 80 degrees celsius...downsides is that they're easy to break and expensive to service. They're certainly more energy efficient than a tank...though it was mainly because of space, gas in europe is cheap and gas reach virtually any-place, rural or not. Norway: Norway is lucky, they got tons of cost-zero stuff to make energy with, and they've a government who really care of alternative energy, not just to make money out of eco/enviroinmental policies like others.... they've the stuff to do so and learned to use it...from the geysers to the fjords and tides etc...that means they can produce really cheap electricity, so they have electric tank heaters, and rely much on electrics, norvegians do have wood houses and I suppose the hot water thing in houses developped similarly to what it has been in the US, unlike the rest of europe. Also in Norway there is not an high population density, most people lives in indipendent homes and decently sized, bigger spaces-larger homes...no problem to fit in a large tank heater.... This post was last edited 12/18/2014 at 03:58 |
Post# 799762 , Reply# 25   12/19/2014 at 08:29 (3,387 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Freddy:
Norway has only two geysers and they are not on the main land, but on Spitsbergen, an island far north from the main land, in the Arctic sea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hot... Vacuums, efficiency etc: Already in another thread I told about my high efficient vacuum. It's the best I ever had on all aspects, including suction power. The rants about these vacuums will stop as soon as people have experienced themselves. I wonder sometimes how many people put blunt statements on this website about appliances without any experience with them. That includes the statement about American appliances being more efficient than European. |
Post# 799764 , Reply# 26   12/19/2014 at 09:05 (3,387 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Yup... you're right! Obviously I confused with wind power.
Anyway...that doesn't change the sense...thanks for pointing that out for sake of correctness though! According to Wikipedia: "Of the total production in 2011 of 128 TWh, 122 TWh was from hydroelectric* plants, 4795 GWh was from thermal power, and 1283 GWh was wind generated." *fjords en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity... This post was last edited 12/19/2014 at 09:38 |
Post# 799768 , Reply# 27   12/19/2014 at 09:20 (3,387 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 799783 , Reply# 28   12/19/2014 at 11:34 (3,387 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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We have a two year old Miele vacuum. It is one of the GreenLine models (S5, to be exactly). Two years ago, 1300W weren't much! But even though, we only run it 900W (Eco\Silence setting) all the time and still get the same results. Same with Evo-cycles on washers: If programmed well, they can be really good. They don't have to be, but certanly can. |
Post# 799809 , Reply# 29   12/19/2014 at 14:54 (3,387 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Henene...
I have a 60s CGE vacuum cleaner that I use as my daily driver, that of watts pulls 450-500 (tag says 450) it's the most silent vacuum I've ever seen! And yes it do the same job and has the same suction of the other Bosch vacumm I have (and I still keep in the closet for some reasons, I should dump it now that I think of it) that pulls 1000-1100 watts..... The CGE does all what I need it to do....I really wouldn't need a stronger suction than that. I cannot imagine if my CGE pulled as much as 1300 or more then I'd have a jet.... By having to do with vintage stuff, i could well see that vacuums as well other small apliances involved in the past but modern "watts craze" thing, could be made using less and providing same results, vintage small appliances were the proof... it was clear to me already that this thing of watts was just part of a selling strategy... When you say: "But even though, we only run it 900W (Eco\Silence setting) all the time and still get the same results." I can well believe that....they were made pulling more not to actually go faster, but to give the "idea" they may go faster whilew they didn't. But le me tell you, washers, it's just another different matter, much more complex than vacuum cleaners matter....
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Post# 799988 , Reply# 31   12/20/2014 at 23:37 (3,385 days old) by Intuitive (Inner West, Sydney Australia. )   |   | |
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I would buy the front loader with rear top mount controls IN A SECOND if it had a heater. We have instanteous gas water heater but prefer to have better heat select if heater/ thermostat installed. ...... The 2015 Electronic model isd seriously good looking!!!!
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Post# 800031 , Reply# 32   12/21/2014 at 08:39 (3,385 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I don't like it, don't like front loaders, so don't understand how you may like it and buy it in a second, but I fully see that if not an heater a thermostat so a thermically controlled water mixer/valve inside a front loader would be best and convenient, as well as a sensor telling you what temperature the wash water is, as for it's nature of front loader it's impossible to determine well what the exact filling temperature is in that moment, this may vary on many circumstances like more people using hot water in that moment or in case of a condo water coming less hot from common heater, with Top loaders (at least the old good ones, or the speed queen) who don't have that idiotic lid lock, you could actually mix water in the tub by mixing hot with warm or anyway adjust by sensing it yourself to the desired temoerature you wish, but front loaders takes a while for you to sense the water temperature by touching the glass, I mean glass takes awhile to heat up and tell what real temperature is the water in the drum... you have no other way to do that except sticking your fingers in the drawer during filling and "guess" ... so the manual mixing thing to get the water as hot as you want is pretty limited and almost impossible..you just can't make a front loader with the usual 3 settings without averting any risk of filling it too hot or too cool, so the cold-warm-hot...you'd need more options...and you need it to do that..you just cannot yourself.
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Post# 800039 , Reply# 33   12/21/2014 at 09:12 (3,385 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Over here where for some silly reasons (actually no reasons) we have domestic washers still coming with a cold inlet only like 50 years ago, there are devices of different makes who let you connect the washer to hot just with the one cold inlet they come with, these devices mix it getting water outlet as hot as you set the thing, from 30 to 90 degrees celsius, just like your typical euro thermostat do.. it'll mix it to the proper temperature you set.....
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Post# 800063 , Reply# 34   12/21/2014 at 11:36 (3,385 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I'll pass on such equipment. Not only would I have to buy such a device, but also get a hot water pipe and tap installed. And then with the heating water combo I have, which in itself is very efficient (HR combo) it wouldn't be very efficient anyway, because it needs a little time to come up to full temperature. By the time it has reached 60 degrees Celcius, the laundry in the washing machine is already wet. Not a smart investment for me. I'll stick to cold fill only for reasons of efficiency.
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Post# 800071 , Reply# 35   12/21/2014 at 12:09 (3,385 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I am not 100% sure, but I think the device do that itself, since it's supposed to be a hook up central and you connect to it the drain of the machine as well (so the the device has to be connected to a drain), so it's likely that before filling it will run water for some seconds so you will have hot water coming out...
At my current home/apt we have central hot water, and to come out hot at 45 it takes about 3 seconds, 8 seconds and it's 60 (at it's fullest)..in low demand hours it reaches even more degrees. At our seaside house/apt we have our own tankless heater and furnace and it makes water as hot as 85...it takes 5 seconds to have water come out very hot ...it's in the bathroom, one of the last ones to be installed when it were still possible to install them inside...(many people do that anyway still now, especially for the self-installing small ones, which would be still eligible for inside installation anyway according to laws) I know of people who bought toploaders here that bought a tankless just for the machine, small tankless are so cheap... my granmther also, by living at the 13th and last floor she doesn't get water as hot as the others, so for her maytag she got installed a tankless just above her machine... If you can, so you have a gas hook up available and space, even by buying an heater on purpose and this device, I guess that in about a year these things pay themselves given the cost of electricty here... Not sure about the cost of electricity compared to what gas cost in Netherlands, not even sure about your typical load, but here ,you'd save alot anyway, also, many people now who have a chimney available will buy stoves who heats water or will strive to opt for any sort of method except gas and electricty....this device is excellent whenever you have an alternative to electricity (meant as element) to heat your water, electricty is generally much more expensive than gas or everything else ... not to mention that it saves alot of time too... But again, this thing is not for everyone, many people cannot but if you can do that easily why not? The lack of possibilty for an hot water faucet or gas heater installation is what has stopped many folks here from buying double fill such as the cheaper LG asian pulsator or the most expensive agitator toploaders from different makes...this is just an alternative to that, with the difference that can feed a washer with it's own heater and whenever you source is not hot enough, it will anyway reduce electricty consumption... This post was last edited 12/21/2014 at 12:58 |
Post# 800129 , Reply# 36   12/21/2014 at 17:53 (3,384 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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I have bought an apartment and it has an instantaneous hot water system which runs on 3 phase power. It's total load is 14.6 kw. I have my dishwasher and washing machine connected to it. My Miele washing machine has two inlet hoses and the machine will mix the water to the temperature selected on the control panel.
The hot water heater has 2 settings: 38 degrees C or 55 degrees C.
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Post# 800556 , Reply# 38   12/23/2014 at 16:33 (3,383 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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OK, persons seem to be forgetting on demand water heaters were common in the USA. In fact Mr. Rudd's big ole cast iron with copper coils units were one of the first patented water heaters in the USA.
Rudd sold those units for both domestic and institutional use. For heavy demand one could operate several in tandem that connected to a storage tank thus giving unlimited hot water. They could also be run off a side arm from the boiler as well. The last bit is how many large apartment buildings in NYC and elsewhere in the Northeast still get hot water; via a sidearm off the boiler (then coal now oil or gas), though there are calls to have buildings install tank units so not to have boilers fired during the warmer months just to supply hot water. Instant water heaters fell out of favor as Americans moved away from baths towards taking showers. IIRC such devices shine when hot water is used for filling tubs such as bath, laundry, dishwashing, etc... versus the continuous requirements that showers bring. Yes, today it is possible to provide but do not think it was the case with earlier units. To do so back in the day you may have had to have more than one instant unit. Do not also forget that until the 1950's or even later you still could find "cold water flats" all over NYC, San Francisco and elsewhere. Rather than install instant water heaters as in Europe those buildings either were torn down and rebuilt (with central hot water supplied), or retrofitted with hot water taps. j |
Post# 800596 , Reply# 39   12/23/2014 at 18:51 (3,382 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Well...I am not totally sure that the gas tankless of old had such a limitation themselves because of their "old" nature, after all run them for 5 mins to fill a tub or 15 to take a long shower doesnt change anything in the functioning, but you're right on this point, since many were not vented outside, oh by the way, it's not a case that here water heaters are called "scaldabagno" (word still used today to refer to a water heater whenever tankless or not gas or electric) which translated is "bath heaters" not water heaters, this is because initially for many folks they were what made their bath hot (they were not used in kitchens as it was already much to have one in the bathroom)... anyway the gas were the most common and these units as said were often used for short time like filling a tub, then air the room etc...to go for a long shower without limitations you needed to have a venting outside or chimney and because of their nature of condo/apts it was not always possible, some who had the space opted for electric tanks, but many didn't have the space and used the gas tankless carefully and for short time and whenever gas line didn't reach the room there were always the dear cylinders, lack of a venting reuqired attention and it was not to die of carbon monoxide poisoning...which was so common back then when these units including gas stoves (not cooking stoves but to heat the air) were used...
Sidearm: The way modern apartments like mine got and still get their hot water is not really that different, in this condo (a series of 5 identical 9 floors buildings) we have a common insta boiler with a supprt heated tank, the main heater ran with oil till recently, now modified to gas.. the tank has a pump to ensure water recirculation inside the "sending" piping to avoid that water in low demand hours and cold months (overnight) to get cool inside the long pipeline that there's from the boiler/furnace located in building 3, I am in the 4 and so it will recirculate again and again back again in the heated support tank... as said now the whole thing was changed to run with gas, as is the furnace who runs radiators (same unit with burner modified) gas is sure cheaper than oil and so are doing almost everybody, our system things has the same sidearm setting, 1 for each side of every building, 2 for building...so 10 pipes giving water to 5 units all coming back to the same tank under pressure. Our condo like many in Italy was made in around mid 70s which was the era of the condos boom and when most of apartments complexes (born as complexes) were made... During the time they started realizing that maybe common water heater was not the way to go, too many problems, leaks etc, people on high floors not receiving it hot enough, different requirements of hotness by different people with different habits, and not for last, too much heat dispersion in pipes, so about late 70s more like 80s actually you started having new condos furnished with individual tankless for hot water.... (one for every apt) The same was starting to happen also in some "historical-older-downtown" buildings.. space was and is precious and tankless was the way to go vs a tank, but will tell more later... You find many condos of the 70s like mine using common heaters and with this sidearm system and to change to our own heater has really a crazy cost... Anyway...retruning talking about the old heater thing: The thing of an heater for every room applied for older buildings as said, like ones made in 10s 20s 30s 40s and 50s.........or even much before... Some of these (when the inhabitants had the money) went through a renovation/retrefitting and have had hot piping made around the 70s, but before, they still and mostly had the tankless in every room to go with... Many single homes the same, we have had a large amount of Liberty homes "villette" in this town (even more back then) and if you visit one empty since the 60s you can still spot heaters in every bathroom, just ones who went through a deep renovation in the 70s do have hot water lines.. Also, the heater in every room/ point of need applied to the many buildings who weren't born as apartments, like schools institutions like convents, libraries etc....and so where it was not really possible to make an hot piping out of the blue...not for cheap for sure... It must be said that often missed the money to went through a deep renovation/retrofitting and install this piping was unlikely because of the target of people these older buildings were destinated" to initially ...now, well now of course it's not like before and many of these older buildings, let alone single homes, went through renovations and got hot water lines installed, but in the 60s and 70s many, perhaps the majority still had to "upgrade" in this sense... Most of people who lived in the typical "centro storico" -"old downtowns" were modest families....many of these people were former farmers etc that became "working class" employed in factories during the economical boom, these people by working managed to put away enough savings in about decade to manage to leave these older apts and move in the newborn/modern "MOL"-"BOL" complexes of the 70s that were starting popping out like mushrooms, though complexes of this kind (simple complexes) became associated with "working class" (For example the complex i live in is named "arte orafa"- "goldsmith art" since they were meant to become home for all of the employees of jewels factories/laboratories, which is the economic field this towm is centered in, you should have heard about jewels of Valenza) and it's in the 70s infact that the older buildings in the "centri storici" became food for realtors who invested money to restore them and transform these old/ancient and beautiful buildings in luxurious apartments for wealthy folks, the restoration included putting hot pipes and tankless heaters for every apt... Infact in many cities and towns what were mid class or poor neighborhoods in the past, so the downtown areas, became soon areas for rich folks, the ancient buildings you see now in many centri storici of many towns, maybe also with nice shops here and ther, were transformed to become luxurious buildings and places for wealthy folks, thinking in many cases they were just the opposite in the 50s and 60s sounds almost impossible.... In apartments made from mid 80s and 90s, you won't find any common heater anymore, but tankless placed in balconies and especially in the ones made in the 90s you'll just find tankless all in one furnace+heater...all placed on the balconies.... A typical balcony tankless setting:
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Post# 801223 , Reply# 41   12/28/2014 at 08:42 (3,378 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Then I wonder how much the water costs where you live!!!
Either electricty costs nothing or water has crazy expenses.. Over here for 1 cubic meter, which is 1000Liters cost varies from 1 euros to 1,36 the most expenive. If I had my own gas heater right now (as by using condo water) as you said you do I'd save alot vs letting the machine heat herself, and i really wouldn't care of cost of water cleared as it'd be nothing....even supposing I have to clear 10 liters which is very much, it'd be 1/100 of 1,36 which is the cost for 1000liters, so you'd clear 0.0136 euros of mere water cost...who cares??? Maybe it could matter something for the gas used to bring to temperature those 10 liters vs how much machine use to heat itself the needed for the load, but not what water cost.....but again, it will depend on how much electricty cost vs the gas and how well the heater works, and the pipes lenght to the point of use so the distance, the diameter...how well your house is insulated etc....many factors....sometimes because of it is also advisable to have more heaters dislocated around the house and more near points of use. Here with our costs it'd be so cheaper anyway in most of the cases even the extreme ones like yours.. we have electric bills composed of 50% of taxes and adjunctive costs in percentage to the mere energy cost used, gas is not like that, also cost of gas itself is also much lower to the potential power than what the mere electricity cost per kwh is.. gas is generally cheaper than electricty in US too..but due to some extreme factors, sometimes you would find yourself spending more using a gas-heated utility vs one who use electricty itself like in your case... I can well see that with a gas dryer as well, my bi-monthly electric bill with a 3kwh max limit, dropped 3 times less from 150-170I spent when I had electric dyers, to 45-60 euros, now with the gas dryer, and my 3montly gas bill raised from 30 euros to 45 only, it's also faster and I dry more at once, the dryers i had before were small european style dryers. I'm also all for appliances who can heat themselves, but am also realistic to say that heating their water from 0 isn't always cheaper as filling it hot may not be as well, so good thing is them coming double fill but with possibility to chose as different conditions changes home to home...claim self heating is always cheaper is nonsense as it is claiming filling them hot is...it depends...and it's right everyone has this option to choose, not just go with what is better for the most, being pelnalized. I can see many Y fill hoses/adaptors here who can be hooked up to cold and hot taps....if you have a double fill machine who can heat, you can always chose to close the cold or hot tap whenever you feel "it's not worth the candle" and you spend less using one or the other....machine will anyway make sure water will be to the desidered point of hotness in any cases, what will cheaper so heat itself or already hot it's up to the conditions.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-diameter-WAS... |
Post# 802453 , Reply# 46   1/5/2015 at 16:22 (3,370 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 802479 , Reply# 49   1/5/2015 at 18:30 (3,369 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I am seing that based by areas in this Cork City things changes, anyway the prices are very good considering the price houses have here, I see it did have set otuside the town in the link...but by setting in suburbs I see things change as you move from outside to inside the town, now I want try to see inside the center..how prices changes.. Your own detached house that is only yours is something pretty valuable here...not many can, just if you've got plenty money, you're wealthy.. there's not the technical space for that otherwise... again, unless you're pretty wealthy...forget an house in the countryside.. This post was last edited 01/05/2015 at 19:15 |
Post# 802485 , Reply# 50   1/5/2015 at 18:53 (3,369 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 802499 , Reply# 52   1/5/2015 at 19:55 (3,369 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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It's not so simple... and I will tell you why point by point: "The main reason for not fitting a water heater in US washing machines is very, very obviously down to electricity supply constraints though. Availability of hot water for filling is widespread on both sides of the Atlantic." That may be true on ose side...but wrong on the other...
"The other difference (and this impacts US front loaders and HE top loaders) is that the hot water may not fill long enough to flush the line from the heater/storage tank to the machine. So you'll need a heat source in the washer itself to ensure temp is reached." That maybe true if you heater is very very far from the machine, let run water for some seconds fix this problem and you save time and in some cases money too. "Euro detergents have also been designed for temp profile washing. Yes and no For US machines you mean modern front loaders or HE? That may well have been so for many models of US front loaders both old an new..but not all and certainly not the toploaders, because I avoid like plague the chlorine and am here to tell you again my laundry is just spotless using simple detergent, I do not use even additives of any kind. This post was last edited 01/05/2015 at 20:43 |
Post# 802504 , Reply# 54   1/5/2015 at 20:13 (3,369 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I know it's a nonsense, i fully agree with you! This post was last edited 01/05/2015 at 21:15 |
Post# 802520 , Reply# 55   1/5/2015 at 22:18 (3,369 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Our laundry room was done in 1957 (old part of the house), has not been redone since then and has cold feed only. Germany practicly always relied on cold only feed. I don't know a single machine that could have a hot&cold conection avaible for households in Germany until the early 90s. But I could be wrong. |
Post# 802521 , Reply# 56   1/5/2015 at 22:27 (3,369 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Same is in Italy and France and spain. They made lots of money out of LG too, they were and are regurarly sold in normal stores... And of course there are the american toploaders sold by specific dealers (often heating and cooling shops and or gas dryer dealers) given their costs were only for those who had money...but they were sold in good quantities as well, they just are higher standards not everyone can afford...
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