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P&G sells soap brands to Unilever |
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Post# 800291 , Reply# 1   12/22/2014 at 14:11 (3,406 days old) by tennblondie78 (Bowling Green, KY)   |   | |
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Camay is a very old brand. My grandmother used it and my mom used to use it when I was growing up. I still buy it sometimes when I'm feeling nostalgic for the smell.
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Post# 800296 , Reply# 2   12/22/2014 at 14:27 (3,406 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I also recall a commercial referring to it as "Camay, the beauty cleanser." CLICK HERE TO GO TO DADoES's LINK |
Post# 800332 , Reply# 3   12/22/2014 at 16:49 (3,406 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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In the later '50s and in the '60s.
I regret to say that I think Unilever will not be a good custodian of "legacy" brands like these. The reason is what they did to Lux, once the Queen of Beauty Soaps, advertised by A-list movie stars in every possible publication. It was ignominiously dropped in the '90s, without warning. Vociferous complaints to Unilever from loyal Lux users were studiously ignored. |
Post# 800334 , Reply# 4   12/22/2014 at 16:50 (3,406 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I don't think I have seen these two brands in any stores in recent years, but this is sold to be used outside of the USA correct? |
Post# 800356 , Reply# 6   12/22/2014 at 18:29 (3,406 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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Lux, Camay and Cashmere Bouquet are still available in bar form, but it looks like Sweetheart is only available in a liquid. It is a brand of Dial. |
Post# 800366 , Reply# 7   12/22/2014 at 19:09 (3,406 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 800374 , Reply# 8   12/22/2014 at 19:16 (3,406 days old) by iej (.... )   |   | |
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Unilever's far more interested in health/beauty brands than P&G is these days. So, my guess it they want to buy them up for the potential to rejuvenate the brands as some kind of modern product. |
Post# 800378 , Reply# 9   12/22/2014 at 19:27 (3,406 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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"some kind of modern product"
I hope that does not mean what is called "body wash," because my reaction to that possibility would be about ten times more pungent than Robert would allow in the DL forum. Bar soap is the ultimate modern soap product. It is not packaged in petrochemicals. It does not cost an ungodly amount to ship due to water weight. It is - or can be - about as green and energy-efficient as a cleansing product can get. If this society was moving in the right direction, we would be phasing out body wash in favor of bar soap. FULL DISCLOSURE: Staunch bar soap (Palmolive) user here. And anxious to remain one. |
Post# 800408 , Reply# 10   12/22/2014 at 21:42 (3,406 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I don't use bar soap any more. Haven't for years. Instead I use Clorox Green Works Dishwashing Liquid, which, probably due to its glycerin content, is mild enough to be used for hands, face, and shower, but cleans much better than most bar soaps, and doesn't leave soap scum everywhere.
I do remember my Mom using Camay. I always liked to look at the little cameo of the woman's head that was cast into each bar.
I've tried some body wash type products but found their gel like nature made them too difficult to apply in the shower. Plus they tend to have way too much fragrance. Green Works has a light citrus scent that is not intrusive and doesn't linger.
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Post# 800439 , Reply# 13   12/23/2014 at 01:09 (3,406 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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And those small mini bars of Camay and Cashmere Bouquet were also used in airplane bathrooms too. Eventually the airline started putting in bottles of liquid soap, much cheaper. |
Post# 800452 , Reply# 14   12/23/2014 at 03:46 (3,406 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Camay has been a popular soap brand in Germany as well, but then it suddenly dissapeared from the shelves in the late 1980`s.
I remember it had a nice thick and creamy lather, that made it differ from other soaps. The downside was it became soggy in no time if you didn`t put it on a dry surface. Has been my mother`s favorite soap when I was a child and I hated the scent with passion. Thank God it was only used for washing hands, even back then we preferred shower gels for body care. |
Post# 800554 , Reply# 18   12/23/2014 at 16:23 (3,405 days old) by liamy1 (-)   |   | |
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Our Ivory soap is called Imperial Leather - been around since the dawn of time, yes it does burn the hell out of your eyes. |
Post# 800557 , Reply# 19   12/23/2014 at 16:33 (3,405 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 800581 , Reply# 21   12/23/2014 at 17:57 (3,405 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Thanks for the link!
I wish there was a way to get hold of one bar for testing, to see if the fragrance and lathering are what I remember. $44.46 for a case is not a bad price at all, but if it was not the Lux I remember, then it's an expensive experiment. The 3.2 ounce "hotel" size is becoming more prevalent; Palmolive comes only in that size now. I still use it, but I miss the 4 ounce bar, which lasted longer. |
Post# 800622 , Reply# 22   12/23/2014 at 22:31 (3,405 days old) by andic29 ()   |   | |
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I didn't know that palmolive came in a bar, much less as anything other than dish liquid :-/ The Camay and Lux... are they drying to the skin? |
Post# 800636 , Reply# 23   12/23/2014 at 23:24 (3,405 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Green soap is sold at our local Dollar Tree for $1! I myself prefer Safegard in the shower. Vermont country store sells Cashmere Bouquet, Lifebuoy, Yardley, and Camay.
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Post# 800640 , Reply# 24   12/23/2014 at 23:40 (3,405 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Growing up, we always used Camey, Cashmere Bouquet and Ivory. Early '80's we went to Zest, Irish Spring, Tone and Caress. I was allergic to Caress though. For the Christmas season, we always (and still do) switch over to Maja, a bar soap imported from Spain. These days it's usually Yardley's of London, Dove and the occasional triple-milled soap from Marshalls. I use shower gels once in awhile. Spouse is strictly a shower gel guy. |
Post# 800642 , Reply# 25   12/23/2014 at 23:41 (3,405 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Palmolive was a bar soap for decades (it was introduced in 1898) before the name was put on dish detergent. It was one of the leading soaps in the category known as "toilet soap," meaning soap people bathed with and washed hands and faces with. Toilet soaps were specifically formulated to be non-drying. The Palmolive name originally signified that the soap had both palm and olive oils in it. That has not been the case for a long, long time, but the name continues.
Lux was one of the most famous toilet soaps, advertised by movie stars as a "beauty soap" capable of improving the complexion by cleansing the skin and moisturizing it. Palmolive claimed this too, as did Camay. I have used Palmolive since I was a kid (it's easy to get at Dollar Tree as mentioned upthread), and Lux too until it was discontinued for retail sale. Both make me feel cleaner than any other soap. Here's the Palmolive jingle that I remember as a very small kid: "You want a beauty soap for a beauty bath You want a beauty soap for a beauty bath You want Palmolive Soap for a beauty bath You want Pal-mol-ive Soap for your beauty bath! You'll love it's fragrance for daintiness You'll love it's mildness for loveliness You'll love it's purity for gentleness You'll love Pal-mol-ive Bath Size for thriftiness!" You can see a 1951 Palmolive commercial using this jingle at the link: CLICK HERE TO GO TO danemodsandy's LINK |
Post# 800655 , Reply# 26   12/24/2014 at 02:42 (3,405 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Cashmere Bouquet: The tiny-bar soap of every inexpensive motel room I stayed in as a kid. Liked the scents of Zest and Camay. Didn't care for Dove at all, but the stylized shape of the bar was cool.
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Post# 800659 , Reply# 27   12/24/2014 at 04:42 (3,405 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Sorry for the long post and no intention to turn this thread into a shower gel vs. soap thread, but I`m amazed at how popular soap still is on the other side of the pond.
First of all I think the reason most people over here don`t like real soap anymore is because most of us have to deal with hard water and hard water and soap don`t work well together. Takes only one sole shower with soap until my bathtub needs to be srubbed. With shower gel I get away with weekly cleaning intervals of the tub. Also when using soap if I wouldn`t lather up and rinse in small batches I`d find myself covered in nasty soapscum. With shower gel I can turn off the water, lather up head to toe and rinse clean at once. There`s no doubt about that soap is a way more natural option than man made surfactants as found in shower gel, but there`s also one major disadvantage of soap, its pH is rather high thus not ideal for the skin. You don`t need to be a dermatologist to understand the negative effects of free alkali to the human skin. While normal healthy skin can cope well with soap it can be devastating for dry sensitive skin. Every hairdresser should be able to explain. Just think about it this way, how could something caustic enough to burn your eyes be gentle on your skin ? Man made surfactants on the other hand can be balanced to any desired pH level without loosing their surfactancy. Typically a shower gel is slightly sour (pH 5.5) to match the natural pH of "untreated" human skin. Dishwashing liquid are often found in the alkaline range to boost cleaning power. @ Sudsmaster please take my friendly advice and stop using Clorox Greenworks for your body. I checked the MSDS and just as I expected found out the pH is slighty alkaline (7.5-8.5). It`s nothing to be concerned about, but any shower gel would be better suited for a gentle body care. |
Post# 800668 , Reply# 28   12/24/2014 at 06:07 (3,405 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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There's chemistry to explain why bar soaps tend to deposit themselves on bathroom surfaces (and your skin as well) but my understanding of it is only adequate to explain it to me, not to expound upon it. Has to do with why bar soap feels slippery with softened water no matter how much you rinse.
Soap and its actions are far more complex than most appreciate. Remember, soap was invented when cavemen found that the fat dripping off cooked meat into ashes plus water tended to remove soil. The fat and ash chemistries have become a great deal more refined but bar soap at its core is little different than it was when first discovered. Bodywashes are detergents, almost nothing in common with 'soap' other than a degree of surfactancy. Like them if you like them, but they are not for everybody. Detergent would make my genetically-altered skin a fire hazard fer chrissake. I wash my hands with detergent (dish liquid) after making hamburger patties. But only to the point it removes the GROSS grease. Otherwise, see 'fire hazard' above. And cracked cuticles, etc. IOW, there is not 'one thing better' for everyone. |
Post# 800720 , Reply# 30   12/24/2014 at 11:06 (3,404 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Cashmere Bouquet is also still around, but hard to find. I have a few bars in my stash. When Cashmere Bouquet was easier to get, I used to keep Palmolive in the tub's soap dish, and Cashmere Bouquet at the sink for hand washing. Cashmere Bouquet leaves hands smelling very nice.
It took a long time, but the beginning of the end for a lot of toilet soaps was the 1955 introduction of Lever Brothers' Dove, the first mass-marketed "superfatted" toilet soap, and the introduction of Armour's Dial deodorant soap in 1948. Dove was even more of a "beauty soap" than Lux, Camay, Palmolive and Cashmere Bouquet; women were very happy with its moisturizing qualities. Dial originally contained hexachlorophene, an antibacterial agent that was banned in the '70s. Dial then switched to triclocarban, which it still uses today. The idea behind Dial was to rid the skin of bacteria whose excretions are the cause of body odor. This is considered sketchy logic from a scientific point of view, but it has sold one helluva lot of Dial. Speaking of Cashmere Bouquet, Colgate-Palmolive used to make other Cashmere Bouquet products. There was talcum powder (still made under license by another company) and hand lotion, long discontinued. |
Post# 800763 , Reply# 31   12/24/2014 at 14:55 (3,404 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)   |   | |
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I think that Dove was even more revolutionary than you've mentioned here; in that although it was definitely superfatted, I don't think it was primarily saponified oil (i.e. soap)...it was primarily detergents (as it is now). Lever cornered the market for beauty bar soaps at the time; and P&G/CP/Armour weren't able to compete. P&G used their detergent technology for Zest (which was unique at the time--Safeguard competed more with Dial). You later had some hybrid products (Phase III, Lever 2000) later which used the building-blocks of Dove and added deodorant. P&G tried to compete in the very early 80s with a bar product called Monchel (test marketed in Kansas City) until they came up with the Olay branding which has persisted.
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Post# 800846 , Reply# 33   12/25/2014 at 15:59 (3,403 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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...any time over any other bar soap.
It's one of the few that washes truly clean, not leaving a 'soapy' film on the skin and is mildly fragranced without any overtly floral notes.
It's a product that was often used on babies given it was quite neutral and hypoallergenic (original formula) and to this day reminds me of my little sister being bathed as a baby. They have, unfortunately, changed the formula twice since 2009 with the subsequent ingredient list being significantly less 'natural' than that used for the 202 years until 2009. Probably in the name of cost savings for at around $1.50 per bar, it is far from a 'cheap' soap.
Mind, even with all the changes, it's still the product I use to shower with. Nothing else comes close in my book. CLICK HERE TO GO TO ronhic's LINK |
Post# 800889 , Reply# 36   12/26/2014 at 00:26 (3,403 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 800903 , Reply# 37   12/26/2014 at 03:33 (3,403 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 800904 , Reply# 38   12/26/2014 at 04:24 (3,403 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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. On January 4, 2011, it was announced that Procter and Gamble had sold the brand to High Ridge Brands Co. From Wiki
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Post# 800906 , Reply# 39   12/26/2014 at 05:52 (3,403 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 800914 , Reply# 40   12/26/2014 at 07:10 (3,403 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Post# 801033 , Reply# 41   12/27/2014 at 04:49 (3,402 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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... who knew VO5, White Rain and other brands we are all familiar with. I love the part about "orphan brands". CLICK HERE TO GO TO alr2903's LINK |