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Post# 802184   1/4/2015 at 00:07 (3,394 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Does anyone know how big is the 1-18 tub? How big a load it's capable of handling...it's dimensions (L x W), cubic foot measurements. What washer is the 1-18 equal in size to, vintage or modern?




Post# 802190 , Reply# 1   1/4/2015 at 01:21 (3,394 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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One pound to eighteen pounds of laundry.  Timeless, really.

 

As with any washer, there are things that the 1-18 handles really well like towels, mixed cotton loads, etc. and some loads it doesn't do quite as stellar of a job with.  Large loads of blue jeans, bulky comforters and the like won't turn over as rapidly.  Your mileage may vary.

 

I love mine for super-sized towel loads, nothing washes towels like the plunging Jet-Action of a Frigidaire and rinsing is excellent.   The fibers of towels in particular seem to fluff up, even old towels have been revived to a degree with that wash action.  Less wear it seems, too.  I have a set of microfiber fleece sheets and a couple of throws that it does a great job with, never a tangle and always well rinsed.


Post# 802276 , Reply# 2   1/4/2015 at 17:58 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey Gansky, I've seen the video with large load of jeans and thought shouldn't they have 'balled-up' the jean and placed it in sections around the Jet-Cone and tub? And for the comforter, suppose using a lower water---would that help power-up the turnover? Have you ever washed a super-sized load with the water level raised beyond the top cone? I've never seen any videos with the water level and washloads pass MAXI. Does anyone load the tub up to the rim...I'd like to see what the top cone can do. The Jet-Cone is only top loading agitator that uses 'water turbulence' to clean clothes. No fins or vanes to beat and move the clothes through the water making it the 'gentlest'. I want a 1-18 especially after learning how to make them much quieter. I just wish there was a way to muffle-out the water sounds from inside the Jet-Cone...1-18's in NYC???

Post# 802285 , Reply# 3   1/4/2015 at 18:51 (3,393 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Actually with the jet cone agitators you no longer needed to put the clothes in sections as in previous models. The washing action was different, the jet cone agitator actually pulled the clothes down instead of plunging the water so vigorously to move the water making the clothes move so vigorously and making them tangle so badly. The jet cone agitator was designed to eliminate the tangling that the earlier machines had. When you overfill the 1-18 washer past the top cone it only splashes and creates more suds and does nothing to pull the clothing down for turnover. With the jet cone agitators the lighter weight clothes such as permanent press and synthetics tend to float and not plunge under easily. I don't know exactly how much a 1-18 will hold, but it is more than any other top loader I have ever used before. I used them in a commercial shirt laundry myself and they cleaned and spun out the shirts as well as the commercial 50 pound front loader.

Post# 802296 , Reply# 4   1/4/2015 at 20:04 (3,393 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        
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Is that you can load that thing up and the Jet Cone always wins.  I have done many a Maxi load in my two with fine results.  I still resort to the old X loading patern with mine because it is a habit and it also produces a better balanced load.  I always start the bottom with pants or shorts and then the shirts on the top.  Pants are folded in half and dropped loosely, the same with shirts.

 

I have a huge bulky queen comforter for winter and it fills the machine to the top when loaded dry.  The water entering reduces it size somewhat.  This comforter is so huge that it will not turn over however it still comes clean because...  The Jet Cone and the recirculation keeps water on the move, the Jet Cone forces sudsy water through the comforter while the filter is catching all the nasty stuff.  I do a double rinse and a two 50 minute drying sessions in a 1-18 dryer because the comforter balls up and has to be flipped to dry the other parts.  It's a laborious task but the machines produce good final results even when taxed in this manner.


Post# 802326 , Reply# 5   1/4/2015 at 23:57 (3,393 days old) by gregingotham (New York)        
Hey ScrubFlex

I just joined AW and also had the good fortune of picking up a 1-18 on Craigslist while I was in Kansas City for the holidays (still can't believe the coincidence and timing.) It's in my sisters place there and needs a new water intake valve but anxious to get it up and running. I live in NYC so we may have to start an NYC 1-18 support group. I have wondered if neighbors would put up with this noise in the cramped living quarters of NYC. I have, however, thought a perfect place for one would be a house on fire island. I have a friend who has a five bedroom house and the volume and type of laundry he deals with would be the perfect test, which I think the 1-18 would pass!

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Post# 802327 , Reply# 6   1/4/2015 at 23:57 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Okay, I figured because of the 12 upper holes inside the column and the vents at the upper edge of the larger cone, water forced through would be strong enough to help push the clothes down to the bottom of the tub from the top...just like the water turbulence from the 3 cones at the bottom of the agitator.
Just a thought, maybe the (3-slotted hole) reduces or hampers the water surge as it passes through it...weakening the water-flow force. If this is the case, then making a bigger hole will cause the top cone to be more effective in pushing water through the vents and forcing the load to the bottom better than as is.
In terms of tub size, do you think the 1-18 washtub's is big as Maytag's 806 or 712 washer?


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Post# 802328 , Reply# 7   1/5/2015 at 00:33 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I'm in...now all you need for your 1-18 is to check out Jetcone's NOISE REDUCTION application and also add the'Cotton Blanket Soundproof Insulation' to line the cabinet and top for complete quiet operation. That's what I'm going to do when I get my 1-18...model WIC-A.

Post# 802330 , Reply# 8   1/5/2015 at 00:41 (3,393 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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A Maytag 806 or 712 cannot come close to what a 1/18 holds (and expect it to get clean or moved around). 


Post# 802336 , Reply# 9   1/5/2015 at 01:05 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Excellent, thanks Appnut. That means the 1-18 can hold a whole lot more laundry than I imagined.

Post# 802337 , Reply# 10   1/5/2015 at 01:08 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

What do you guys think about my top cone (3 slotted hole) thought and idea???

Post# 802351 , Reply# 11   1/5/2015 at 05:56 (3,393 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Frankly, I don't think original designs that are vintage and rare should be mutilated at all.  Don't mutilate a jetcone!!!!!


Post# 802353 , Reply# 12   1/5/2015 at 05:59 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Will you guys be so kind and post some pics of the Jet Cone agitator. That show closer up views of the design inside the column walls and bottom. Also, pics of the bottom cones (underneath to see the vents and cone (undercarriage). I wish there was a 'cut-away' that show the design of the agitator.

Post# 802371 , Reply# 13   1/5/2015 at 08:13 (3,392 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Harry, did you post a picture of your WIC-A washer's tub? Mine has the newer style tub as seen in this thread.

If the tub is from your machine, I'd be curious to see it's serial number!


www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...


Post# 802396 , Reply# 14   1/5/2015 at 11:49 (3,392 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Being old enough to have been around when these machines first came out, I do remember a lot about them. The first style of tub had holes at the bottom of the tub and the second style did not. I would think that getting rid of sand and sediment would be better with the first style of tub. These machines were very unusual in the fact that most machines washed better with smaller loads and this machine did it's best job with a full or even slightly overfull load of clothes. They washed a much bigger load of clothes than anything else on the market then and probably even now. I worked on a great many of these machines and they were real work horses. One downfall they had was the tub seal on some would wear out quickly. When this happened the consumer would usually use the machine leaking and eventually it would ruin the bearings fairly quickly when water would get into them. By the time they called the repairman it would cost a fortune to fix it and not worth repairing in most people's mind. I worked at a used washer and dryer place in '74 briefly and he had a matching set about a year old that the seal had gone out on the washer and the rollers in back of the dryer had gotten off track and tore up the felt seal on. He ended up selling the poor woman a kenmore set that was at least 10-15 years old and she gave him her Frigidaire 1-18 set. I had more problems with the dryers and their rollers than the washers myself. Particularly the later dryers that only used two rollers at the back. They used to somehow let the drum guide cut part of the rubber roller and the entire rubber cover would come off and make the drum sit lower and thus tearing up the felt seal.

Post# 802497 , Reply# 15   1/5/2015 at 19:49 (3,392 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I get it Bob...no Phil it isn't mine, the WIC-A is the 1-18 washer I hope to fine here in NYC...Bruce the holes I was referring to are the slotted-holes inside the top area of the Jet-Cone agitator's column. It's capacity ability sounds AWESOME and just what I wanted to hear and the only way to handle the tub seal problem is to act quickly.

Post# 802666 , Reply# 16   1/6/2015 at 19:09 (3,391 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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In 2006 at the Texas Washin, I washed a load in the 1/18 of my own towels.  I normally washed these as two separate loads in the Lady Shredmore, both about 3/4 full.  the 1/18 didn't even hiccup.  I think everyone at Austin's house that evening were amazed at just how much of a BobLoad I got in that 1/18.  I'm estimating 16 bath towels, 16 wash cloths, and at least 10 hand towels.  And these are not the postage stamp size bath towels. 


Post# 802679 , Reply# 17   1/6/2015 at 20:10 (3,391 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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So are we saying that the 1-18 is truly the largest capacity vintage washing machine? What about Norge/Wards 20-lb capacity machines? The turnover in them isn't too shabby...

Post# 802681 , Reply# 18   1/6/2015 at 20:14 (3,391 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Norge/Wards 20-lb

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Wellllll Todd, I can't say from experience.  I've never had an opportunity to BobLoad a Norge newer than our 1964.  I'd love to find out.  As Hans says, nothing outcleans a Norge!!!   If I ever go visit my sister & BIL in Petaluma, I won't pack anything.  I'll simply load up several boxes of dirty laundry and ship it out there and come on over for a wash-in


Post# 802701 , Reply# 19   1/6/2015 at 21:20 (3,391 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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I'm only about an hour and a half from Petaluma. Bring on the dirty duds! I just began working on the laundry center (an extra fourth bedroom in the house) that will be the new home to the '74 Wards/Signature, '66 Whirlpool and Kenmore sets, '62 Maytag set, '77 GE, '75 Frigidaire, '66 Norge, and '72 Lady Kenmore. The '64 Kenmore set gets the special indoor laundry hall closet and the '76 Frigidaire set get to stay in the garage. Will begin posting pics of the progress in the coming months. Hopefully I'll be able to host a mini Wine Country wash-in this summer!

Post# 802704 , Reply# 20   1/6/2015 at 21:35 (3,391 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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One evening while visiting in Minneapolis, I spied a 20lb green Montgomery Ward (Norge) out for pickup. We picked it up on our way home and schlepped it into the house. Robert and I weighed out exactly 20 pounds of "play laundry" from his stash. Mixed cottons; jeans, shirts, etc. While it seemed too much, the washer was able to turn over the load and did pass the test "technically" with a full load at stated capacity. As I recall, we were both quite surprised but agreed there were probably no other washers that could have even touched that much laundry in one load. Certainly not a 1-18 Frigidaire.

CR stated in their ratings that the performance of the 1-18 wasn't consistent from load to load. One load would wash perfectly and the next, below average. I've watched some loads turn over and clean very well and other, similarly comprised loads utterly fail to turn over at all. It does help to follow the dry load level guide on the water level control, water level should be below the dry clothes level and usually the load will turn over well. Usually. It's weird how that machine can be so finicky. The Norge 20lb would probably be an easy match for capacity but Hans is right, it wins for consistent washing ability.

But I still love it and use it 3-4 times a week. And my BOL Wards :-)


Post# 802871 , Reply# 21   1/7/2015 at 23:45 (3,390 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Ahh, so the Jet Cone agitator is not really strong enough to wash anything? Or, turnover anything it washes. Water levels raised above the top cone would just keep the clothes always sitting on top of the tub. I suppose the washtub is too big for the Jet Cone agitator to always work it's best...with anything it washes. That's kind of disappointing. It just looks so powerful in action.

Post# 802873 , Reply# 22   1/8/2015 at 00:10 (3,390 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Scrubflex, I think the 1-18's are very good washers, if one knows how to assemble the correct size load and select the appropriate water level.  All brands  have different strengths and weakness.  CU years ago tested capacity and featured a photo of folded towels on a ST Speed Queen and Frigidaire 1-18.  The 1-18 had  many more folded towels. Does anyone have that photo?




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Post# 802986 , Reply# 23   1/8/2015 at 17:03 (3,389 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        

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I've never had the problems that Greg posted from the CR article.  I think a big issue that can come up with any Frigidiare washer is a lack of knowing how to use it properly which could have easily been the case with CR.  Of course CR lost it's credibility with me a long time ago.  I think it's all about the money with them, who pays the most to get the best rating ;)


Post# 803033 , Reply# 24   1/9/2015 at 00:07 (3,389 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Yeah, I first learned about CR's dishonesty and favoritism, from an appliance sales guy Joe...but I believed them. So, it still kind of depends on the way you load the washtub for the Jet Cone to move the laundry. And, it seems the less water you use to wash the load the better the Jet Cone turnover the clothes. Once again, is it really impossible for the Jet Cone to effectively turnover and clean a load so full that the water level is at the TOP row of holes? Is the top cone really that useless? Greg, do you or anyone have CR's test and ratings article or issues of the 1-18 washer you can post?

Post# 803046 , Reply# 25   1/9/2015 at 02:28 (3,389 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Could one of you guys measure the (length and width) of the 1-18 washtub? You don't need to remove the Jet Cone to get the width...(that could be or is an inconvenience)...All you need to do is measure the width of the Jet Cone agitator (diaphragm) base then, measure out toward the side(s) of the tub at the bottom. The side(s) measurement (twice) plus the agitator diaphragm base gives you the full width of the tub.



Post# 803049 , Reply# 26   1/9/2015 at 02:56 (3,389 days old) by Mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Patented?

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Does some entity currently hold the patent on this washing action?

Malcolm


Post# 803068 , Reply# 27   1/9/2015 at 10:18 (3,388 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Malcolm, that is a very interesting question.  I wondered about both the "Jet action system" and the old ST

" SQ" technology?


Post# 803105 , Reply# 28   1/9/2015 at 16:13 (3,388 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Biggest vintage washer ( before 2000 )

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I would diffidently put the super capacity WP built BD washers as the largest T L washers built ( 1967-1981 ) and the ability to handle huge loads got even better on the KM versions in 1976 when Sears interdicted the dual action agitator. The next biggest TL washers would be Norge, GE FF, WP built DD Super Capicity washers with DA agitators, and then FD 1-18s.

The 1-18s are an interesting machine, I have one in my regular laundry room line up and love many things about it. But performance is tricky, about 10 years ago I put a Bob load of whites in it that also contained about 10 pairs of underwear with elastic waste bands. Much to my horror the very aggressive agitation destroyed the waistbands on at least 8 of the pairs of underware by badly stretching them out of shape.

If you want really good turn over and cleaning in a 1-18 don't set the WL much higher than small. Frigididare should have put an agitator in with extra fins at the top that would be hinged so as the agitator moved downward the fins would swing out and pull large items and loads down. As the agitator moved up again the fins would swing down again.


Post# 803113 , Reply# 29   1/9/2015 at 17:05 (3,388 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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always wondered why the 1-18 Jetcone did not have cones all the way up to match the higher water levels.....

wash performance seemed best if your load stayed at half way, and the med to large water level setting....

have had on a few occasions of using the MAXI setting, and saw good turnover, but that was dependent on the load, which was mainly towels and washcloths...and a very packed load at that....

one thing for sure, it does excellent rinsing.......everyone boasts the circle spray, but that feature was to benefit of soaking the entire load and pushing it down before agitation, more than the rinsing part of it....

filtering could have been better for these machines, they call it a Jetstream, but more like a trickle....bed of nails seemed more effective, once that pan style got clogged, everything else ran over the back.....

still fun machines to use.....


Post# 803127 , Reply# 30   1/9/2015 at 19:06 (3,388 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Agreed

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I share your observations--I've had stellar loads in my 1-18 that I couldn't believe, and some real sucksters that I thought would be easy.  The key, as you say, is understanding the load composition and setting the water level (and time!) accordingly.  Even when I load properly, I sometimes find that dress shirts and slacks get tied together, or bedsheets require unspooling before loading in the dryer.  C'est la vie.

 

Because this requires thought, I think it was doomed :-)  My mother's BD Kenmore from the early eighties was very much fire-and-forget in terms of getting everything in there.  

 

Good detergent seems key in a 1-18 too, since some get way too sudsy and then you end up with a blanket of fine lint settling back on your clothes when it spins out the water, once the suds are compressed back against them.


Post# 803130 , Reply# 31   1/9/2015 at 19:15 (3,388 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

R-E-A-L-L-Y!!! That is unbelievable and so disappointing, especially since they're no oscillating vanes or fins that beat the clothes. If there's only rolling water turbulence and surging currents that is moving the clothes, what actually stretched out the underwear? I thought the Jet Cone agitator was more gentle than all vanes, finned or ramp agitators...next to tumblers...I'm shocked.

Post# 803142 , Reply# 32   1/9/2015 at 19:59 (3,388 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Stretching

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YMMV, but I've found the cones pull downward and you can, in a large load, get compaction of items between the Jet Cones and other items in the load, which can result in some stretching.


Post# 803161 , Reply# 33   1/9/2015 at 21:39 (3,388 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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I have a 1976ish WP 18-lb machine and the first time I used it I thought something was wrong with the water level switch -- the machine filled up to the bottom of the agitator cap! But boy, what turnover and awesome washing action in this machine. Almost as fun as my Norge and Wards 18-lb'rs.

Post# 803164 , Reply# 34   1/9/2015 at 22:01 (3,388 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
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But ANY 1976-1981 Kenmore with the 26 gallon tub and Dual Action agitator could smoke a 1-18 in capacity, cleaning, rinsing and more than anything reliability. The Whirlpool equivalent with the Double Duty Surgilator would be a close second.
WK78


Post# 803322 , Reply# 35   1/10/2015 at 20:15 (3,387 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio)        
Jet cones

From personal experience I can tell you these were hard on some clothing no matter how you loaded them. Anybody that tried to wash underwire bras, bib overalls, children's clothing with plastic buckles, ect... can tell you they chewed them up and sometimes other things in the load with them. I never had a problem with these in Whirlpool or GE. Jeb

Post# 803454 , Reply# 36   1/11/2015 at 12:31 (3,386 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I thought the Jet Cone agitator's were much, much gentler on clothes. That's not good, I really wanted one.

Post# 803459 , Reply# 37   1/11/2015 at 13:16 (3,386 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Harry, there's always a machine that's better than others for something. Some machines are more durable, some are easier to service, some are gentler on clothes, some do beat the dirt out of clothes better. I personally don't care that much about how good machines are or how a washer treats my clothes as I rarely wear more than $40 worth of clothing anyway! I never use the delicate or permanent press cycles and even if I have quite a few irons, I never use them to iron my clothes and I never use my Gladiron ironer either!

 

I do like to use the extra cycles like the Soak, pre-wash and even more the Extra Rinse!

 

To me, the fun factor of watching a machine operate is the important thing. And Frigidaires offer plenty of action! They don't tear my clothes, I'm quite good at doing that by myself while I'm wearing them! They probably did stretch a few elastic bands, or maybe it's just because I'm overweight!

 

They aren't the easiest to work on or to get replacement parts for, but that's a good excuse to get more machines!


Post# 803497 , Reply# 38   1/11/2015 at 17:10 (3,386 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

LOL!!! You made some very good points Phil, I mean it really was a miracle that I found this website. My parents had a '68-69 Westinghouse washer and I can remember way back then enjoying the machine operation of the pistachio green, super-size (2-in-1) SPIRAL-Deep Ramp agitator in action. Hmm, you reminded me of the good ole' fun factor. As for the 1-18, maybe more clothing should be washed on the gentle speed...like Whirlpool's DD 'step-down' agitation, use stronger detergent and shorten the wash times.

Post# 804835 , Reply# 39   1/19/2015 at 04:28 (3,379 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
If you

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use a laundry bag for fine items it wont allow buckles and such to get caught under the bottom cone and squished.

 

As for torn underwear I've never seen that in 30 years of using Jet Action washers. In fact my 3 speed 1-18 on the hand wash cycle cleans and handles knitted wool better than any machine out there- including front loaders.

When you can safely wash a Norwegian sweater and not felt it that is impressive washing action.

 

I will have to experience that Norge 20 pounder as Ive not seen more capacity than in my 1-18's.

Gansky tells me i'm gonna love my super capacity Lady Kenmore with the super surgilator, gotta set that one up soon for comparison washing.

 


Post# 804880 , Reply# 40   1/19/2015 at 13:02 (3,378 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Having run a commercial drycleaners and laundry for over 25 years, I have used a great many machines. I have used Norge, Whirlpool/Kenmore and Frigidaire along with big front load commercial machines for shirt laundry. All of them worked satisfactorily, but the Frigidaire 1-18 machines held the biggest loads and spun them out dry enough to press on the hot head press equipment. Just from personal experience, they are not the gentlest of machines to clothing. Especially when heavily loaded. The early models up to the time they introduced the jet cone agitator would literally tie clothing in knots. Even the 1-18 ones were bad about tangling very large loads of shirts sometimes, but it didn't matter because the shirts were pressed while damp anyway. When I used a Norge or Whirlpool I could not load it as heavily because it would not be able to turn the load like a Frigidaire would. One 1-18 Frigidaire would hold what a commercial 25 lb front load machine would hold and wash it well. The Norge and Whirlpool simply would not do that. Just saying from personal experience. The GE largest load machine would not even come close.

Post# 804930 , Reply# 41   1/19/2015 at 19:06 (3,378 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio)        
Laundry bag

While I agree a laundry bag helped with small things, it is hard to put adult bib overalls in one. I had several parts ruined it the 1-18 (I even bought replacement buckles but they never fit right). The laundry bag did not help with the underwire bras, although it did help them not tear up other clothing in the load. After you ruin a few $45.00 dollar bras and pairs of bib overall you learn not to trust it with these things.

Post# 804978 , Reply# 42   1/20/2015 at 01:20 (3,378 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hmm, so it seems, certain clothing should or must be washed on the gentler speed to be on the safe side. Or, shorten the wash times since the Jet-Cone could be so aggressive with the clothes. That's what I'll do do when I find my WIC-A 1-18. My Whirlpool Gold DD washer tangled my laundry also, that's not too big of a deal for me. The DD "High-Frequency" agitation creates super (ROLL-OVER) currents like the Jet-Cone, even turned shirts and pants inside out...not a problem.
I would still love to see a video of the Jet-Cone in action with the water level above the top cone to see the action. It's never been filmed before. (HINT, hint)


Post# 804988 , Reply# 43   1/20/2015 at 03:40 (3,378 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Here's one!  Sorry, I did put too much detergent... 

 

 




 

 

 I filmed the exact same load at the "Normal" level during the rinse cycle:

 







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Post# 804999 , Reply# 44   1/20/2015 at 06:57 (3,377 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Nice to hear your experience Bruce

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I would have guessed the same result, that the 1-18 has the largest capacity of all top loaders ever built.

 

 


Post# 805095 , Reply# 45   1/20/2015 at 20:34 (3,377 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
Awesome

Phil I see from the 1st video, anymore water then MAXI, would have made it impossible for the Jet-Cone (TOP) cone to push the load down into the tub.

2nd video, the Jet-Cone is really a very powerful agitator. Seems like it only needed a little more water to rinse that big load...not necessarily the MAXI level.

Thanks for the videos Phil...and she's very quiet.

Bruce thanks for helping to make it crystal clear that the 1-18 capacity is TOPS, hands down.

BTW, Jon L hope you haven't changed your mind about sharing your "QUIETING TECHNIQUE" with us.


Post# 805096 , Reply# 46   1/20/2015 at 20:35 (3,377 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Phil are your videos on YouTube?

Post# 805105 , Reply# 47   1/20/2015 at 23:26 (3,377 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Yes they are:

 

http://youtube.com/channel/UCfzIOjgBfLiZBKgtEE7ZdJQ

 

The load was a mix of towels and bed sheets. One of them being very lightweight but thick! So it weights about 14 pounds but it filled the tub when there was no water.

You're right, the turnover would have been great with the water level just above "Normal". There's no way I could have fitted that load in my other washers. Maybe I should try in a 12 pound solid tub machine. I think it would be seriously overloaded like the one in my avatar!



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Post# 805276 , Reply# 48   1/21/2015 at 23:50 (3,376 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Yeah, I don't think it'll work but, you'll have fun finding out. I'll check out your videos.

Post# 805815 , Reply# 49   1/24/2015 at 22:03 (3,373 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
RE Norge...

While the Norge will was a huge load..It will also wear out clothes faster than anything else..it really is much harsher than the 1-18,the Frigidaires do a great job and in my experience don't tear up the clothes...BUT if you have greasy nasty work clothes, a Norge is TOUGH to beat!...as far as a Frigidaire goes the old 3 ring agitator models will outwash any of the others...if the clothes are tangled up....that means they have really been moved around!

Post# 805901 , Reply# 50   1/25/2015 at 08:17 (3,372 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Amen

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Hans !!


Post# 806027 , Reply# 51   1/25/2015 at 21:29 (3,372 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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As much as I hate to agree, Norge/Wards can be pretty brutal on clothes. I think they should have stuck with the 3-vane agitator instead of moving to the 4-vane in the late 60s. I have a 4-vane '74 Wards Signature and a '65-6ish Norge with 3-vanes. Same fast stroke, but the number of vanes do make a difference. Never had any trouble with my 1-18 being rough on clothes. If anything, I'd say Frigidaire was probably the most gentle on fabrics.

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Post# 806052 , Reply# 52   1/26/2015 at 01:11 (3,372 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I guess the 3/4 HP motor combined with the Turbosweep (4-Way Deep-Clean) agitator, 202 agitation arc and 70 or 72 agitation stroke was too tough for the clothes...especially if overloaded. But, what I can remember from my uncle and aunts late 80's Norge, it washed a load of jeans on the MED level very poorly. I could not understand how bad the Turbosweep performed. It could not turnover the jeans, just threw them around...no rolling movement.

Post# 806053 , Reply# 53   1/26/2015 at 01:16 (3,372 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Great videos Phil.


Post# 806055 , Reply# 54   1/26/2015 at 01:38 (3,372 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Phil, when I look at your MAXI level video, can't help thinking what will the Jet Cone action look like if there was more water added to the tub. Hope you'll make a video showing that action.

Post# 806058 , Reply# 55   1/26/2015 at 02:22 (3,372 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
1-18 Hand wash

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Post# 806072 , Reply# 56   1/26/2015 at 07:09 (3,371 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Frigidaire Washer Videos

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Always love the solid tub Ripiddry 1010 washers, great videos Jon.

 

The 1-18 3SP washer is very,  gentile in agitation, I would also give GE FF washer high marks when using the Mini-Basket at low speeds and the 68-72 Lady Kenmore's with 3SP motors and the Vaira-Flex agitators. Does anyone have any other TL washers tat they consider very gentile on delicate fabrics?.

 

I still give the all time award to a Calypso when using the Hand Wash cycle, we have one AW member that actually washes loads of Bounty paper towels in his machine without problems, Jon this might be a good test for the 1-18.


Post# 806120 , Reply# 57   1/26/2015 at 12:57 (3,371 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Bounty paper towels?! How about trying with cheaper ones!?


Post# 806128 , Reply# 58   1/26/2015 at 13:52 (3,371 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I would have to look at back issues to tell you, but one year consumer reports did a comparison of washers that were all one speed machines to see how gentle they could be with sheer draperies. Frigidaire 1-18 was #1 for a one speed machine in gentleness.

Post# 806189 , Reply# 59   1/26/2015 at 21:53 (3,371 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
CRs Test Of One Speed Washers

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You may well be correct Bruce about the 1-18s gentleness, the main thing I remember about CRs test was ONLY one machine failed the test and put runs in the sheer fabric and it was the single speed Maytag's with the polyfinn agitators, we need to look up the test results again.

 

But in any case the Calypso was not out yet and I will put its gentleness up against even the 3Sp 1-18 anytime.


Post# 806202 , Reply# 60   1/27/2015 at 00:43 (3,371 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
TL gentleness

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I would have to nominate the KA DD with the large base agitator.
WK78


Post# 806223 , Reply# 61   1/27/2015 at 03:55 (3,371 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Post# 806351 , Reply# 62   1/27/2015 at 18:45 (3,370 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
thats

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an amazing hand wash in that F&P !!

 



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