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GM Frigidaire 1-18 Washtub Capacity |
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Post# 802184   1/4/2015 at 00:07 (3,394 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Does anyone know how big is the 1-18 tub? How big a load it's capable of handling...it's dimensions (L x W), cubic foot measurements. What washer is the 1-18 equal in size to, vintage or modern? |
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Post# 802190 , Reply# 1   1/4/2015 at 01:21 (3,394 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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One pound to eighteen pounds of laundry. Timeless, really.
As with any washer, there are things that the 1-18 handles really well like towels, mixed cotton loads, etc. and some loads it doesn't do quite as stellar of a job with. Large loads of blue jeans, bulky comforters and the like won't turn over as rapidly. Your mileage may vary.
I love mine for super-sized towel loads, nothing washes towels like the plunging Jet-Action of a Frigidaire and rinsing is excellent. The fibers of towels in particular seem to fluff up, even old towels have been revived to a degree with that wash action. Less wear it seems, too. I have a set of microfiber fleece sheets and a couple of throws that it does a great job with, never a tangle and always well rinsed. |
Post# 802296 , Reply# 4   1/4/2015 at 20:04 (3,393 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Is that you can load that thing up and the Jet Cone always wins. I have done many a Maxi load in my two with fine results. I still resort to the old X loading patern with mine because it is a habit and it also produces a better balanced load. I always start the bottom with pants or shorts and then the shirts on the top. Pants are folded in half and dropped loosely, the same with shirts.
I have a huge bulky queen comforter for winter and it fills the machine to the top when loaded dry. The water entering reduces it size somewhat. This comforter is so huge that it will not turn over however it still comes clean because... The Jet Cone and the recirculation keeps water on the move, the Jet Cone forces sudsy water through the comforter while the filter is catching all the nasty stuff. I do a double rinse and a two 50 minute drying sessions in a 1-18 dryer because the comforter balls up and has to be flipped to dry the other parts. It's a laborious task but the machines produce good final results even when taxed in this manner. |
Post# 802328 , Reply# 7   1/5/2015 at 00:33 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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I'm in...now all you need for your 1-18 is to check out Jetcone's NOISE REDUCTION application and also add the'Cotton Blanket Soundproof Insulation' to line the cabinet and top for complete quiet operation. That's what I'm going to do when I get my 1-18...model WIC-A. |
Post# 802330 , Reply# 8   1/5/2015 at 00:41 (3,393 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 802336 , Reply# 9   1/5/2015 at 01:05 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Excellent, thanks Appnut. That means the 1-18 can hold a whole lot more laundry than I imagined. |
Post# 802337 , Reply# 10   1/5/2015 at 01:08 (3,393 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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What do you guys think about my top cone (3 slotted hole) thought and idea??? |
Post# 802351 , Reply# 11   1/5/2015 at 05:56 (3,393 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 802371 , Reply# 13   1/5/2015 at 08:13 (3,392 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Harry, did you post a picture of your WIC-A washer's tub? Mine has the newer style tub as seen in this thread. If the tub is from your machine, I'd be curious to see it's serial number! www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... |
Post# 802666 , Reply# 16   1/6/2015 at 19:09 (3,391 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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In 2006 at the Texas Washin, I washed a load in the 1/18 of my own towels. I normally washed these as two separate loads in the Lady Shredmore, both about 3/4 full. the 1/18 didn't even hiccup. I think everyone at Austin's house that evening were amazed at just how much of a BobLoad I got in that 1/18. I'm estimating 16 bath towels, 16 wash cloths, and at least 10 hand towels. And these are not the postage stamp size bath towels. |
Post# 802679 , Reply# 17   1/6/2015 at 20:10 (3,391 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 802681 , Reply# 18   1/6/2015 at 20:14 (3,391 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Wellllll Todd, I can't say from experience. I've never had an opportunity to BobLoad a Norge newer than our 1964. I'd love to find out. As Hans says, nothing outcleans a Norge!!! If I ever go visit my sister & BIL in Petaluma, I won't pack anything. I'll simply load up several boxes of dirty laundry and ship it out there and come on over for a wash-in |
Post# 802701 , Reply# 19   1/6/2015 at 21:20 (3,391 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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I'm only about an hour and a half from Petaluma. Bring on the dirty duds! I just began working on the laundry center (an extra fourth bedroom in the house) that will be the new home to the '74 Wards/Signature, '66 Whirlpool and Kenmore sets, '62 Maytag set, '77 GE, '75 Frigidaire, '66 Norge, and '72 Lady Kenmore. The '64 Kenmore set gets the special indoor laundry hall closet and the '76 Frigidaire set get to stay in the garage. Will begin posting pics of the progress in the coming months. Hopefully I'll be able to host a mini Wine Country wash-in this summer!
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Post# 802704 , Reply# 20   1/6/2015 at 21:35 (3,391 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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One evening while visiting in Minneapolis, I spied a 20lb green Montgomery Ward (Norge) out for pickup. We picked it up on our way home and schlepped it into the house. Robert and I weighed out exactly 20 pounds of "play laundry" from his stash. Mixed cottons; jeans, shirts, etc. While it seemed too much, the washer was able to turn over the load and did pass the test "technically" with a full load at stated capacity. As I recall, we were both quite surprised but agreed there were probably no other washers that could have even touched that much laundry in one load. Certainly not a 1-18 Frigidaire.
CR stated in their ratings that the performance of the 1-18 wasn't consistent from load to load. One load would wash perfectly and the next, below average. I've watched some loads turn over and clean very well and other, similarly comprised loads utterly fail to turn over at all. It does help to follow the dry load level guide on the water level control, water level should be below the dry clothes level and usually the load will turn over well. Usually. It's weird how that machine can be so finicky. The Norge 20lb would probably be an easy match for capacity but Hans is right, it wins for consistent washing ability. But I still love it and use it 3-4 times a week. And my BOL Wards :-) |
Post# 802986 , Reply# 23   1/8/2015 at 17:03 (3,389 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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I've never had the problems that Greg posted from the CR article. I think a big issue that can come up with any Frigidiare washer is a lack of knowing how to use it properly which could have easily been the case with CR. Of course CR lost it's credibility with me a long time ago. I think it's all about the money with them, who pays the most to get the best rating ;) |
Post# 803049 , Reply# 26   1/9/2015 at 02:56 (3,389 days old) by Mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 803068 , Reply# 27   1/9/2015 at 10:18 (3,388 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Malcolm, that is a very interesting question. I wondered about both the "Jet action system" and the old ST " SQ" technology? |
Post# 803105 , Reply# 28   1/9/2015 at 16:13 (3,388 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I would diffidently put the super capacity WP built BD washers as the largest T L washers built ( 1967-1981 ) and the ability to handle huge loads got even better on the KM versions in 1976 when Sears interdicted the dual action agitator. The next biggest TL washers would be Norge, GE FF, WP built DD Super Capicity washers with DA agitators, and then FD 1-18s.
The 1-18s are an interesting machine, I have one in my regular laundry room line up and love many things about it. But performance is tricky, about 10 years ago I put a Bob load of whites in it that also contained about 10 pairs of underwear with elastic waste bands. Much to my horror the very aggressive agitation destroyed the waistbands on at least 8 of the pairs of underware by badly stretching them out of shape. If you want really good turn over and cleaning in a 1-18 don't set the WL much higher than small. Frigididare should have put an agitator in with extra fins at the top that would be hinged so as the agitator moved downward the fins would swing out and pull large items and loads down. As the agitator moved up again the fins would swing down again. |
Post# 803113 , Reply# 29   1/9/2015 at 17:05 (3,388 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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always wondered why the 1-18 Jetcone did not have cones all the way up to match the higher water levels.....
wash performance seemed best if your load stayed at half way, and the med to large water level setting.... have had on a few occasions of using the MAXI setting, and saw good turnover, but that was dependent on the load, which was mainly towels and washcloths...and a very packed load at that.... one thing for sure, it does excellent rinsing.......everyone boasts the circle spray, but that feature was to benefit of soaking the entire load and pushing it down before agitation, more than the rinsing part of it.... filtering could have been better for these machines, they call it a Jetstream, but more like a trickle....bed of nails seemed more effective, once that pan style got clogged, everything else ran over the back..... still fun machines to use..... |
Post# 803127 , Reply# 30   1/9/2015 at 19:06 (3,388 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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I share your observations--I've had stellar loads in my 1-18 that I couldn't believe, and some real sucksters that I thought would be easy. The key, as you say, is understanding the load composition and setting the water level (and time!) accordingly. Even when I load properly, I sometimes find that dress shirts and slacks get tied together, or bedsheets require unspooling before loading in the dryer. C'est la vie.
Because this requires thought, I think it was doomed :-) My mother's BD Kenmore from the early eighties was very much fire-and-forget in terms of getting everything in there.
Good detergent seems key in a 1-18 too, since some get way too sudsy and then you end up with a blanket of fine lint settling back on your clothes when it spins out the water, once the suds are compressed back against them. |
Post# 803142 , Reply# 32   1/9/2015 at 19:59 (3,388 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Post# 803161 , Reply# 33   1/9/2015 at 21:39 (3,388 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 803164 , Reply# 34   1/9/2015 at 22:01 (3,388 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 803454 , Reply# 36   1/11/2015 at 12:31 (3,386 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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I thought the Jet Cone agitator's were much, much gentler on clothes. That's not good, I really wanted one. |
Post# 803459 , Reply# 37   1/11/2015 at 13:16 (3,386 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Harry, there's always a machine that's better than others for something. Some machines are more durable, some are easier to service, some are gentler on clothes, some do beat the dirt out of clothes better. I personally don't care that much about how good machines are or how a washer treats my clothes as I rarely wear more than $40 worth of clothing anyway! I never use the delicate or permanent press cycles and even if I have quite a few irons, I never use them to iron my clothes and I never use my Gladiron ironer either!
I do like to use the extra cycles like the Soak, pre-wash and even more the Extra Rinse!
To me, the fun factor of watching a machine operate is the important thing. And Frigidaires offer plenty of action! They don't tear my clothes, I'm quite good at doing that by myself while I'm wearing them! They probably did stretch a few elastic bands, or maybe it's just because I'm overweight!
They aren't the easiest to work on or to get replacement parts for, but that's a good excuse to get more machines! |
Post# 804835 , Reply# 39   1/19/2015 at 04:28 (3,379 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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use a laundry bag for fine items it wont allow buckles and such to get caught under the bottom cone and squished.
As for torn underwear I've never seen that in 30 years of using Jet Action washers. In fact my 3 speed 1-18 on the hand wash cycle cleans and handles knitted wool better than any machine out there- including front loaders. When you can safely wash a Norwegian sweater and not felt it that is impressive washing action.
I will have to experience that Norge 20 pounder as Ive not seen more capacity than in my 1-18's. Gansky tells me i'm gonna love my super capacity Lady Kenmore with the super surgilator, gotta set that one up soon for comparison washing.
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Post# 804988 , Reply# 43   1/20/2015 at 03:40 (3,378 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Here's one! Sorry, I did put too much detergent...
I filmed the exact same load at the "Normal" level during the rinse cycle:
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Post# 804999 , Reply# 44   1/20/2015 at 06:57 (3,377 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 805096 , Reply# 46   1/20/2015 at 20:35 (3,377 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Phil are your videos on YouTube? |
Post# 805105 , Reply# 47   1/20/2015 at 23:26 (3,377 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Yes they are:
http://youtube.com/channel/UCfzIOjgBfLiZBKgtEE7ZdJQ
The load was a mix of towels and bed sheets. One of them being very lightweight but thick! So it weights about 14 pounds but it filled the tub when there was no water. You're right, the turnover would have been great with the water level just above "Normal". There's no way I could have fitted that load in my other washers. Maybe I should try in a 12 pound solid tub machine. I think it would be seriously overloaded like the one in my avatar! CLICK HERE TO GO TO PhilR's LINK |
Post# 805276 , Reply# 48   1/21/2015 at 23:50 (3,376 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Yeah, I don't think it'll work but, you'll have fun finding out. I'll check out your videos. |
Post# 805901 , Reply# 50   1/25/2015 at 08:17 (3,372 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 806027 , Reply# 51   1/25/2015 at 21:29 (3,372 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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As much as I hate to agree, Norge/Wards can be pretty brutal on clothes. I think they should have stuck with the 3-vane agitator instead of moving to the 4-vane in the late 60s. I have a 4-vane '74 Wards Signature and a '65-6ish Norge with 3-vanes. Same fast stroke, but the number of vanes do make a difference. Never had any trouble with my 1-18 being rough on clothes. If anything, I'd say Frigidaire was probably the most gentle on fabrics.
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Post# 806053 , Reply# 53   1/26/2015 at 01:16 (3,372 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Great videos Phil. |
Post# 806055 , Reply# 54   1/26/2015 at 01:38 (3,372 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Phil, when I look at your MAXI level video, can't help thinking what will the Jet Cone action look like if there was more water added to the tub. Hope you'll make a video showing that action. |
Post# 806058 , Reply# 55   1/26/2015 at 02:22 (3,372 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 806072 , Reply# 56   1/26/2015 at 07:09 (3,371 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Always love the solid tub Ripiddry 1010 washers, great videos Jon.
The 1-18 3SP washer is very, gentile in agitation, I would also give GE FF washer high marks when using the Mini-Basket at low speeds and the 68-72 Lady Kenmore's with 3SP motors and the Vaira-Flex agitators. Does anyone have any other TL washers tat they consider very gentile on delicate fabrics?.
I still give the all time award to a Calypso when using the Hand Wash cycle, we have one AW member that actually washes loads of Bounty paper towels in his machine without problems, Jon this might be a good test for the 1-18. |
Post# 806120 , Reply# 57   1/26/2015 at 12:57 (3,371 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 806189 , Reply# 59   1/26/2015 at 21:53 (3,371 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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You may well be correct Bruce about the 1-18s gentleness, the main thing I remember about CRs test was ONLY one machine failed the test and put runs in the sheer fabric and it was the single speed Maytag's with the polyfinn agitators, we need to look up the test results again.
But in any case the Calypso was not out yet and I will put its gentleness up against even the 3Sp 1-18 anytime. |
Post# 806202 , Reply# 60   1/27/2015 at 00:43 (3,371 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 806223 , Reply# 61   1/27/2015 at 03:55 (3,371 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 806351 , Reply# 62   1/27/2015 at 18:45 (3,370 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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