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Thread Number: 58561
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| Post# 810974 , Reply# 2 2/24/2015 at 21:03 (3,338 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I wonder what the guys at the Miele Vac places will say about this. They usually sell Persil too, for about $25 per box. And they seem to sell a lot of it too. | ||
Post# 810992 , Reply# 3 2/25/2015 at 00:02 (3,338 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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From what one understands Miele North America (Canada and USA at least) have stopped importing Persil products, or it is very limited. Miele USA only has Universal Megaperls detergent from Henkel/Persil and that is it, no more fabric softeners or other detergents. This goes for automatic dishwasher products as well.
This probably has much to do with Miele North America and perhaps elsewhere concentrating on their own private label brand (Miele Care Collection). Markup is likely higher and they do not have to deal with Henkel. Unlike years ago you can find Persil and other Henkel products in North America besides Miele. That Persil Store for instance am sure is set up or at least in league with Henkel. SmallFlower.com, Germandeli.com and other vendors both on Amazon and their own websites offer various Henkel laundry/dishwasher products as well. Locally Gracious Home here in NYC seems to be restocked with Persil gel so they obviously found another source since Miele dropped the stuff. Gracious Home like many places that sold Persil also was a Miele appliance dealer. Just checked a few of the Walmart sites for stores locally and none mention Persil. Maybe if the weather is nice this weekend will check out the store in Bayonne. | ||
| Post# 811136 , Reply# 4 2/25/2015 at 19:21 (3,337 days old) by gefilterflo (Newark, Ohio) | ||
Found it in Ohio
I saw the endcap at my Walmart store here in West Columbus. It was not in the aisle yet, just the endcap next to tide. All the packages were 9.96 or close to it, the same price as the Tide next to it.
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Post# 811167 , Reply# 5 2/25/2015 at 21:12 (3,337 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing
What you have got a hold of there seems to be a product made by The Dial Company marketed under the Persil brand.
Henkel long ago purchased The Dial Company so that is sorted. Persil/Henkel IIRC long has moved to gels and away from liquids. The ingredient listing even in its limited description is nothing like what one sees from German Persil. More telling is the bottle only states certain design and elements of package are proprietary and owned by the Dial Company, a subsidiary of Henkel. So far the only mention one can find of Henkel and Walmart is this: "Henkel supports Walmart’s laundry compaction initiative Henkel supports Walmart’s recently announced laundry compaction initiative to partner with manufacturers to cut the amount of water by 25 percent in each dose of liquid laundry detergent by 2018. This effort aligns with Henkel’s long-term sustainability strategy to achieve more with less. Henkel understands the demand on limited natural resources and established its dedication to sustainability over 50 years ago. Sustainability remains one of the company’s five core values. The laundry compaction effort, announced by Walmart at its first-ever Sustainable Product Expo held in Bentonville, Ark., offers benefits to consumers and the environment. Henkel actively looks for ways to innovate our products and supply chains and build sustainability partnerships worldwide. By 2030, Henkel aims to triple the value it creates for the footprint made by its operations, products and services. Over the past eleven years, the company has cut water and energy consumption by 51 percent and 44 percent per ton of production, respectively, and reduced waste by 47 percent per ton of production. Since 2009, Henkel has been a founding member of The Sustainability Consortium, a partnership between corporations, universities and NGOs to develop standards for assessing consumer product sustainability across the supply chain and product lifecycle." www.henkelna.com/press/2014-23282... persil.us takes one to Henkel's North American website where again no mention of Persil. | ||
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Post# 811196 , Reply# 6 2/25/2015 at 23:12 (3,337 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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Post# 811198 , Reply# 7 2/26/2015 at 00:18 (3,337 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have a very hard time believing Henkel Germany would let their prize formulas for various Persil detergents out of their hands, even to a subsidiary based in the United States.
Then again there are various versions of Henkel Persil sold all over Western and Easter Europe, not to mention the Middle East and elsewhere so who knows. Moi? Stil think The Dial Corporation is pulling a fast one and hoping to sell this product based upon the Persil brand. Said something was going on at the time when Persil Gel became hard to find in the USA including from Miele North America. This could be part or all of what is behind that move. | ||
| Post# 811230 , Reply# 8 2/26/2015 at 06:29 (3,336 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Occurs to me, putting water in detergent does one primary thing: increase the cost of shipping it. It DEFINITELY doesn't work better. And the vendors are DEFINITELY not absorbing the shipping cost without subtracting it from the value of the product.
Let's face it: ALL vendors are now just playing the 'imaginary marketing advantage' game. Not only Lever and P&G but Henkel too. So once again, as we learned with hardware vendors, name brands mean absolutely nothing. They buy each others' names and market/distribution regions and long-since abandoned any pretense of product improvement other than making it smell like another vegetable/flower/fruit. | ||
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Post# 811250 , Reply# 9 2/26/2015 at 07:43 (3,336 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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All good points arbilab!!
I think Launderess has sorted this out too !
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Post# 811261 , Reply# 11 2/26/2015 at 08:59 (3,336 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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Thanks for the update, westtexman. while looking at the labels, I noticed that the pearls are "assembled in the USA from foreign ingredients", while the liquid States it's made in the US. I hope that means that Dial is importing Henkel's formula. I remain skeptical, but I'm optimistic.
Jetcone, I'm anxiously awaiting the release of Rosalies. It looks like it's going to be perfect for my soft, mountain water. Edit to add: I spoke with Henkel NA customer service, for what it's worth lol. The rep stated that the pearls do not contain any bleach and the liquid does contain OBA's. I've requested they email me the full ingredients list, will post here if they send them. We'll see..... This post was last edited 02/26/2015 at 09:25 | ||
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Post# 811268 , Reply# 12 2/26/2015 at 09:34 (3,336 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Where's The Bleach?
Persil Mega-Perls for whites/colourfast laundry contains oxygen bleach (sodium percarbonate) and Henkel's famous activator system. Products containing oxygen bleach for laundry must state so on labels because under certain situations the stuff can be a hazard.
Inorganic builders - Zeolites to my mind. Am looking forward to real life reviews, but am not convinced yet this is the real deal German Persil. For one thing Persil Universal Mega-Perls cleans very well in cold (84F) water as well as warm, hot to boiling. | ||
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Post# 811274 , Reply# 13 2/26/2015 at 09:54 (3,336 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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My thoughts exactly, Launderess....
If this is in fact the case, these formulas won't be very useful for me. I've become accustomed to using a powder with bleach for whites/ lights and an OBA free powder or liquid for darks. But, as you've stated above, this is not the typical way Americans do their washing, and in order for Henkel to be successful with Persil in the US they need to tailor to the masses. Fortunately,I've had decent results with Miele's offerings, I guess they will become my go to now. Sigh.
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| Post# 811326 , Reply# 15 2/26/2015 at 14:59 (3,336 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
Well I went a huntin for Persil at my local Walmarts and none to be found....yet. So I wonder if they are going to be introducing it in phases around the country. I went to the Biddeford Walmart in Maine..nothing, the Walmart in Newington NH....nothing, and the Walmart in Danvers MA...nothing yet. Tomorrow I will check the Salem MA Walmart and see if they might have it. The MegaPearls looks like the real thing and the color of the liquid as well. I am curious at to the performance and how they compare. To me Henkels owns the German version of Persil, and they launched Persil in Mexico a year or so ago, so it makes sense to introduce it here.
If this stuff is as good as the German version and one doesnt have to pay nosebleed prices that Miele was charging for it, this might give P&G a good swift kick in the shorts with more competition. I do remember back in another thread that we talked about how Persil was getting harder to find and I said said a "what if Henkel decided to market Persil here in the States"...and here we are. | ||
| Post# 811334 , Reply# 18 2/26/2015 at 15:42 (3,336 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Power caps. I wonder if this is the same as the new Duo Caps sold in Germany? | ||
| Post# 811339 , Reply# 19 2/26/2015 at 16:12 (3,336 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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Could be The power caps could be the new duo caps. If you want I can take pic of the pack and the product in about 7 hours from now. (Just gone 10pm now and in bed) | ||
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Post# 811361 , Reply# 20 2/26/2015 at 19:07 (3,336 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Can't see Henkel Germany going toe to toe with P&G with another top shelf laundry detergent for the USA market. Tide is having its own problems of late with sales and it is not just due to the past recession.
When forced either by economic circumstances or whatever reasons to go from Tide to other brands many consumers found little difference. Thus when things returned to normal they stuck with whatever new products. Tide liquid detergents are on sale somewhere in my NYC area every week. If not Tide then other P&G laundry products. P&G invests *huge* R&D developing Tide to suit a variety of local laundry conditions from water to soils all across the USA. It has locked down the patents for activated oxygen bleaching systems going back to the days of Biz and Oxydol which later went into Tide With Bleach. The Dial Corporation is more known for value brand detergents (Purex, Trend, etc...), and without a detergent for whites with a bleaching system those "perls" are going to be eaten alive by P&G/Tide. Henkel Germany hasn't produced high dilution detergents for ages. In order to compete in the American market these new Persil offerings will have to deal with washing machines that range from 24" to large top loading but still "HE". The amount of water these machines use as well as how they wash vary. Henkel/Germany IIRC also ceased production of liquid detergents in favor of gels. So why is Dial selling a liquid product which means it contains more water? | ||
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Post# 811412 , Reply# 22 2/27/2015 at 05:41 (3,335 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am with others who say Henkel is going after the "niche" market of North Americans that know and trust Persil. By cutting out the middleman (Miele North America) and use their subsidiary (The Dial Corporation) certain costs can be kept down.
Truth will come out when reviews of results come in. Will be very interested with what various Germans and other Europeans living in the USA that know Persil have to say. Being as all this may as often mentioned by our European members Persil/Henkel isn't always top dog laundry detergent. In many markets Ariel (from P&G) beats Persil and or equals results. Americans got turned onto Persil when Miele reached these shores and there weren't other options available. Looked around the Persil Mexico site and while there packaging and so forth look more like German offerings, still cannot find out what is in the stuff. www.persil.com.mx/es.cky.html... | ||
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Post# 811413 , Reply# 23 2/27/2015 at 05:45 (3,335 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Weekly Sale Circular From Wally World
Has Persil on offer for $9.97
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Post# 811419 , Reply# 24 2/27/2015 at 06:36 (3,335 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Interesting to see a new product getting bashed by so many who haven`t even tried it.
If it`s the same or at least similar to the stuff we get in Germany, I think one day it might become a serious competitor to Tide. It`s certainly not going to be easy for a newcomer to compete with a strong brand like Tide that has been around for decades in the US. Personally I find German liquid Persil to be an awesome perfomer, but the Duo Caps don`t do it for me, even if I use two for a normal load. They are very low sudsing (less than Megaperls or liquid Persil), maybe they work better in soft water, I found them very disappointing despite the big brand name. @ Laundress "Henkel/Germany IIRC also ceased production of liquid detergents in favor of gels. So why is Dial selling a liquid product which means it contains more water?" You`re so knowledgeable about detergents, I can`t believe you think thinner always means watered down. Years ago liquid Persil had indeed a thicker gel like texture marketed for better pretreating stains and the usual thicker means more cleaning ingredients bulls**t. Nowadays the name "Persil Gel" still remained, but the texture is back to a normal liquid. Whith a thinner produkt a dosing ball can be used as an option, not a must. Viscosity of a product has nothing to do with the concentation of cleaning agents in a liquid detergent, shampoo or whatever ! In most cases it`s only the presence or absence of gelling agents, thickeners, salts and so on. | ||
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Post# 811435 , Reply# 27 2/27/2015 at 09:35 (3,335 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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You`re so knowledgeable about detergents, I can`t believe you think thinner always means watered down.
Years ago liquid Persil had indeed a thicker gel like texture marketed for better pretreating stains and the usual thicker means more cleaning ingredients bulls**t. Nowadays the name "Persil Gel" still remained, but the texture is back to a normal liquid. Whith a thinner produkt a dosing ball can be used as an option, not a must. " Given Persil has made "sustainability" and so forth agreements with Walmart am was surprised it went with liquid instead of gel as one most certainly has more water than the other. My recently purchased bottle of Persil Gel for Colors is slightly thicker than Tide liquid detergent but not as viscous as Ariel Excel Gel. No one is "bashing" anything, merely trying to determine what sort of product Dial is marketing. Henkel can slap their "Persil" brand onto anything but that does not equal whatever is inside will behave in the same manner as German Persil. | ||
| Post# 811438 , Reply# 28 2/27/2015 at 10:29 (3,335 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Well I found the Persil liquid and MegaPearls at Walmart in Salem Ma....the rep from Henkels was there and spoke to him and it's the same formula as the Persil from Germany. Same thing! There is going to be a $2 coupon in the flyer for Walmart for it. I asked about the PowerCapas and they don't have them yet. But I did pick these tow up. I did smell the Fresh scent liquid and it's rather nice smelling. I did pick up the MegaPearls and the Original scent liquid.
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| Post# 811441 , Reply# 29 2/27/2015 at 10:32 (3,335 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 811444 , Reply# 30 2/27/2015 at 11:03 (3,335 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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"No one is "bashing" anything, merely trying to determine what sort of product Dial is marketing. Henkel can slap their "Persil" brand onto anything but that does not equal whatever is inside will behave in the same manner as German Persil."
That was my point as well. US companies have a history of exploiting well respected names while cheapening a product. Ex. PG with their US Ariel formula that was dreadful, poor Maytag, WCI and Kohlberg's purchase of Singer, Pfaff, Husqvarna Viking. Coupled with purex, a budget brand, makes me suspicious. Nmassman, thanks for the follow up. I hope your info from the rep is more accurate than mine from the CS rep. Please let us know your results! | ||
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Post# 811459 , Reply# 31 2/27/2015 at 12:34 (3,335 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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"...as one most certainly has more water than the other&
Just think of Unilever Persil Small And Mighty compared to Ariel Excel Gel.
Both products equally have listed 15-30% Anionic surfactants, 5-15% Nonionic Surfactants and Soap, < 5% Phosphonates Both products require approximately a 35 ml (35 vs.37ml) dose for a standard load. One is a thick gel and the other one has a watery texture, which can be easily flushed down the detergent dispenser. I have my serious doubts about if one had more water than the other. Of course some surfactants have a paste like texture at very high concentrations, but we are still miles away to see such high concentrations (which might be even dangerous) in laundry detergents for residential use. | ||
| Post# 811472 , Reply# 34 2/27/2015 at 14:33 (3,335 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Nope not doing laundry until tomorrow, as tempting as it is, but I know how this is going to perform. The liquid is alot like the gel that Persil imported here so my thinking is that they dont want to call it a gel quite yet. One thing though, the MegaPearls powder is going to have a problem with the container...I can see that already...the powder doesnt "drain back" into the bottle and gets hung up on the ledge area...making it harder to twist the cap on...I took the pour insert out already.
The powder says its good for colors as well but I am going to both thru the paces with both my Frigidaire built front loader and the SQ washer. I do like the scent of both so we will see how it carries over to the dryers. Now if Henkel was smart they would bring over Somat for the dishwashers....my Miele dishwasher loves the stuff... | ||
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Post# 811483 , Reply# 35 2/27/2015 at 16:41 (3,335 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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| Post# 811488 , Reply# 36 2/27/2015 at 16:58 (3,335 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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Other retailers? So far, only Wal*Mart has been mentioned....I am wondering if anyone has seen Persil sold elsewhere, like Target? I will shop at Wal*Mart, but I prefer to shop elsewhere. Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 811495 , Reply# 37 2/27/2015 at 18:25 (3,335 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I'll hild my breath until someone posts the exact ingredients list. Even Persil in Germany comes in different formulations. The regular blue gel has the full formula, while the lavender scented one lacks like half of the enzymes. You can't tell the difference unless you go online and pull up the ingredients list. In the most recent test by our consumer magazine, Persil Universal Megaperls was the top rated detergent - only outdone by Ariel due to its superior stain removal.
For now, persil.us redirects me to Henkel's North American website. | ||
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Post# 811507 , Reply# 38 2/27/2015 at 19:29 (3,335 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Purchased a bottle of the color gel by Persil several months back and cannot say am truly 100% a fan.
While it cleans well enough and is gentle on colours the whiff is a bit much IMHO. Worse whatever Henkel uses as a fixative to give the fragrance staying power, well does. Noticed that touching laundry when damp the scent came off one one's hands, ironing board, etc... In fact went back to the ironing board a week after doing some shirts laundered in Persil color gel and it still reeked. Happily found several boxes of Persil Mega-Perls for colours at a good price so am sorted for the duration. The Laundry Room over at Garden Web has picked up the scent, so that is them for you. Sources there echo same; Miele no longer sole importer of Henkel laundry products, same versions as from Europe.... It is odd that Henkel released Persil in Mexico some time ago it seems and yet still no complete ingredient list on that website. Henkel's annual 2013 shareholder report makes no mention of either Mexico, Canada or USA Persil in particular beyond the standard "seeking to expand in North American markets".... Did find something from Henkel's CEO saying recently the company wished to increase its laundry market share from about 18% to around 23% to compete better with P&G. Studies have been done on pricing in America as well as consumer behavior. Henkel also sent a team to Silicon Alley to conduct research as well. Still do not understand the purpose of leaving an activated bleaching system out of those Persil "perls". Can see the liquids/gels going up against Tide, but again various Tide powders with bleach (oxygen) will eat that competition alive. Of course it could be that Henkel decided "if you cannot beat them, join them" and bowed to the American love affair with chlorine bleaches. That or we will soon see some sort of "pod" or other delivery system for oxygen bleach sold separately. Regarding high-froth Henkel detergent it seems versions of Persil are sold in that format. Saw one version for Saudi Arabia where IIRC top loading, hand washing and even wringer washers are popular. The later due to water being a hot commodity wash and or rinse waters can be reused which helps stretch the stuff I suppose. Tide liquid is also on sale at Wally World for near the same price as Persil "Pro-Clean". According to Walmart circulars one has seen this sale price is only good through 7 March. If true wonder what will be the normal price? Also sticking strictly to Walmart (if that is the plan) won't do much to compete against Tide. We do not have Wally Worlds in NYC, but they are in nearby areas such as New Jersey. | ||
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Post# 811652 , Reply# 42 2/28/2015 at 21:56 (3,334 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well if anyone is considering purchasing, I'd so do while the price is ten dollars a bottle. Should member opinions prove correct that this is the Real McCoy then German Persil at those prices are a steal.
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| Post# 811653 , Reply# 43 2/28/2015 at 22:02 (3,334 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Actually the $9.97 is the price point for Persil...was told that as well by the Henkels rep. I asked if it was going to change and he said no. Coupons will be coming out as well to get people to try it. But I agree that they will have to improve the cap and bottle some. If they used a clear cap with clear markings that would help and put the powder in a better bottle or box with a scoop.
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| Post# 811656 , Reply# 44 2/28/2015 at 22:39 (3,334 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Chris. The towels. Are the towels on the right the same brand as ones on the left and the only difference is the detergent? Yes I didn't do wash last week so this is my week for many loads so at the end I will have something to SAY. Thanks for the pictures. | ||
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Post# 811680 , Reply# 46 3/1/2015 at 00:42 (3,334 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well This Is Going To Be A Fine Kettle Of Fish
To various Miele dealers selling or who sold German Persil for years here in the USA.
Happily am protected from temptation for the time being as we do not have Walmart stores in NYC. Well not in Manhattan anyway. You can often find Tide liquids on sale for around ten dollars a bottle, but don't think P&G is going go lower the price across the board that low permanently to go against this Persil product. This brings up an interesting topic as to just where the Dial Corporation intends to sell these Persil products. At least here in NYC shelf space in the laundry aisles is at a premium and P&G has much of it. The larger superstores such as K-Sears on Astor Place, Costco and even "big" supermarkets may have more room. | ||
| Post# 811738 , Reply# 48 3/1/2015 at 11:38 (3,333 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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So far I am quite impressed by this detergent. The liquid was very effective in getting out stains and no fading as well. The powder I used on my whites and it took care of every stain that was in the load. I noticed and expected it as well, to rinse completely out, and it did not disappoint. Plus the scent is rather nice too. I think I will be able to kiss my Tide Boost Pacs goodbye ...no need for them now.
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| Post# 811774 , Reply# 49 3/1/2015 at 16:29 (3,333 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
East Coast only?
Bit the bullet and checked out four different Walmart stores in the area to no avail. Is the US rollout of Persil thus far limited to the East Coast? At least my search wasn't completely fruitless. One of the WM stores I was in had two remaining boxes of powdered Tide with Bleach HE, so I got one of those. Haven't seen that stuff on store shelves around here in quite a while.
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| Post# 811778 , Reply# 50 3/1/2015 at 16:40 (3,333 days old) by esty (New Jersey) | ||
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Not every Wal-Mart on the east coast carries Persil yet. I live in central nj and checked three nearby Wal-Mart's. None of them got it in yet. I will keep checking when I go. I have yet to see the Tide turbo as well. | ||
| Post# 811781 , Reply# 51 3/1/2015 at 16:49 (3,333 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
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| Post# 811782 , Reply# 52 3/1/2015 at 17:03 (3,333 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 811795 , Reply# 53 3/1/2015 at 18:54 (3,333 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 811800 , Reply# 54 3/1/2015 at 19:19 (3,333 days old) by NeptuneGuy27 (Baltimore,MD) |
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Vernel One can only hope :) | ||
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Post# 811801 , Reply# 55 3/1/2015 at 19:29 (3,333 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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And it begins | ||
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Post# 811802 , Reply# 56 3/1/2015 at 19:30 (3,333 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 811803 , Reply# 57 3/1/2015 at 19:31 (3,333 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 811805 , Reply# 58 3/1/2015 at 19:34 (3,333 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Looks Like Henkel Has Gone From Sublime To Ridiculous
That is from high brow Miele being exclusive seller of Henkel Persil products to Wally World.
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| Post# 811844 , Reply# 59 3/1/2015 at 22:23 (3,333 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
I have seen the "Tide with Bleach Turbo HE" here at one of the local Walmart for a while, but checked last night for persil, but nothing. Sounds like the east coast is getting the persil, and we've got the Tide turbo HE here on the west coast. I've seen this sort of thing happen before, east coast with that, west coast with this. I hope persil does make it here sometime.
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| Post# 811848 , Reply# 61 3/1/2015 at 23:22 (3,333 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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I knew about the caps. These sound like the Duocaps sold in Germany. I haven't heard of anyone there liking them that much. Anyone know what 2 in 1 with Pro Lift technology is? This is mentioned as one of the new Persil formulations in the videos. | ||
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Post# 811850 , Reply# 62 3/1/2015 at 23:38 (3,333 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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German Consumer Magazine Testing One Spoke Of
Powders from Persil and Ariel beat liquids and or gels of the same brands. Liquids were judged to be more "polluting" than powders due to several factors including levels of preservatives.
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| Post# 811855 , Reply# 63 3/2/2015 at 00:43 (3,333 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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Power caps Those Power Caps look the same as the German Henkel "Duo Caps" I have here.
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| Post# 811856 , Reply# 64 3/2/2015 at 00:44 (3,333 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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And The cap itself
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| Post# 811857 , Reply# 65 3/2/2015 at 00:47 (3,333 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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Yes Yes Jerrod6, here in the UK and in Germany, Persil is a mainstream detergent, you'll find it in every store, from the main grocery stores to Costco, to the discounter stores. | ||
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Post# 811911 , Reply# 68 3/2/2015 at 08:55 (3,332 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Pronunciation | ||
| Post# 811917 , Reply# 69 3/2/2015 at 09:20 (3,332 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 811930 , Reply# 71 3/2/2015 at 10:22 (3,332 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
>I certainly hope additional retailers pick this up and it isn't a Walmart exclusive. I rarely set foot in Walmart. And if I do, I usually shower immediately after getting home.
I also hope more retailers get Persil sooner or later. I don't like supporting Wal-Mart for a number of reasons. Past this, it seems like Persil and Wal-Mart are an odd pairing. Maybe I'm just biased against Wal-Mart, and some of their customers. But I have to almost think Target would have been a more logical choice. We'll see what happens, I guess. Incidentally, I looked up the ad for my area, and they list a couple Persil detergent. | ||
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Post# 811943 , Reply# 72 3/2/2015 at 11:55 (3,332 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Henkel teamed up with Wally World because of the latter's mass distribution system with locations nationwide. Not unlike Miele North America I shouldn't wonder.
To even remotely go up against P&G Henkel would either need to build a Persil relationships/distribution network from the bottom up, use their existing laundry product distribution system (Trend, Purex, etc..)or team up with a big player. Sincerely hope this exclusive deal with Walmart is not permanent. Don't like the place and not even German Persil on the cheap could tempt me to set foot pass the door. | ||
| Post# 811944 , Reply# 73 3/2/2015 at 12:02 (3,332 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Persil "Power Pearls" DO, and I repeat DO, contain Sodium Percarbonate.
In Fact, it's the largest ingredient, in the bottle, according to Walmart Chemical Safety. Hazardous components CAS Number Percent (w/w) Sodium Percarbonate 15630-89-4 10 – 25% Benzenesulfonic acid, C10-13-alkyl derives., sodium salts 68411-30-3 10 – 25% Sodium Carbonate 497-19-8 1 – 5 % Sulfuric acid, mono-C12-18-alkyl esters, sodium salts 68955-19-1 1 – 5 % Alcohols, C12-18, ethoxylated 68213-23-0 1 – 5 % Polyethylene Glycol 25322-68-3 1 – 5 % I'll see if I can dig up a real MSDS, later. But, Walmart's Computers had that on File. | ||
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Post# 811950 , Reply# 74 3/2/2015 at 12:12 (3,332 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 811953 , Reply# 75 3/2/2015 at 12:15 (3,332 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 811970 , Reply# 76 3/2/2015 at 13:41 (3,332 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Post# 811977 , Reply# 77 3/2/2015 at 14:02 (3,332 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Post# 811997 , Reply# 81 3/2/2015 at 15:58 (3,332 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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As has been noted here before, Tide powders have percarbonate even when the label doesn't say it's one of the "with bleach" formulas. For instance, the MSDS for powders shows 3-7% percarbonate. I'm not too surprised Persil is doing the same thing...maybe there is market research that the word bleach scares some customers off.
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| Post# 812012 , Reply# 86 3/2/2015 at 17:38 (3,332 days old) by miele_ge (Danbury, Connecticut) | ||
wonder how the "american" persil is on Kochwasche cy Will it work at 190 degrees F? Jerrod, you must do a test in your 1986. BTW, I am loving the used 1986 set we got on ebay - best 400 bucks i ever spent (plus the cost to pick it up on the cape and dinner for the dear friends who drove us there in their big truck to get it - was quite an adventure).
As an aside, I think we are not going to try to keep and repair the Miele 1918 (it has a shot spider) - It works but makes a horrible racket and won't likely run again without a big repair. It has a lot of new expensive parts (control board, power supply, brushes) and is in really nice shape so i don't want to just chuck it. If anyone has any interest, please shoot me a note. The great experience with the used 1986 makes me want to start hoarding the last of the 220 volt machines to have a supply in reserve! There are still 2 or 3 series after the 1986 that are 220.
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Talked to the Department Manager for cleaning products at Walmart today, asked if they were going to be carrying Persil as advertised in this month ad flyer. He told me they do have Persil in back, but won't be putting persil out till the sales distributor arrives sometime this week, I will check later this week and see they have available.
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| Post# 812041 , Reply# 89 3/2/2015 at 20:28 (3,332 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Keyword is...
The Bottle is made in the US. The "ingredients" are "foreign" & imported components.
I love this. Megapearls & Gel on 'da Cheap. Also - Called Henkel US div, and was informed a MSDS is not available at this time. However, the formulas for Megapearls (German) & PowerPearls (US) are identical. I really need to call and ask, if the Liquid Variety is the same. Persil. Persil. Persil. At the Walmart Price. What's not to love? :) | ||
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Post# 812061 , Reply# 92 3/2/2015 at 22:09 (3,332 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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In a thread elsewhere Whirlcool (IIRC) asks something like "where are all the jobs". Well look no further than that Persil/Dial Facebook page. A group or persons are paid to sit there (among other things) and respond to, keep track of, probably analyze and whatever what is going on with Persil's USA Facebook page.
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| Post# 812063 , Reply# 93 3/2/2015 at 22:35 (3,332 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Made my Wal-Mart trip Bought two bottles: 1. Mega pearls. 2. Pro-clean liquid Jury is still in deliberations, but preliminary speculation was a good job. Did a load of towels with a table cloth. The table cloth was the test subject. Meatloaf gravy was removed.
Jeans are still in the dryer, nothing to testing, I think I like the smell. It's different.
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| Post# 812179 , Reply# 96 3/3/2015 at 17:01 (3,331 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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The thing I love about...
Persil, is the powder, doesn't really have a dust to it, like Tide, and all the other brands.
Almost every time I'm scooping powder, I sneeze because... of (I'm assuming the dust) or something else, wafting into the air. I've never had this problem using the Persil Megapearls, or a Liquid Detergent. As for the bottle itself. I also, admired the design. I love the idea of Powder being wrapped in plastic, and being sealed with a cap, instead of a cardboard box that allows moisture. Means, no resorting to a knife or hammer to break up clumps :) | ||
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Post# 812321 , Reply# 98 3/4/2015 at 17:56 (3,330 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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That could well be. I never saw "perls" from any manufacturer but Henkel. A disadvantage I have often heard is that these beads get stuck in the dispenser. Probably no issue for you all with cold and hot fill.
As far as pricing goes: it seems like your Persil costs pretty much the same as Persil bought in a supermarket over here. | ||
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Post# 812322 , Reply# 99 3/4/2015 at 17:58 (3,330 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 The Persil is in town. I don't need detergent. I bought the Persil.
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| Post# 812331 , Reply# 101 3/4/2015 at 18:59 (3,330 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I used Downy April Fresh liquid with the Persil and they go rather nice together I think. I have tried the softener from Henkel called Vernel "Fresh" I think it used to be called Day at the Beach or something like that, and it was no day at the beach sent wise. Reeked to the high heavens to my snout.
I too am looking forward to the PowerCaps and I want to see if they dont have issues with disolving like I have with the Tide Pods. In the SQ washer they do disolve well but in the front loader...not so much. The wrapper get stuck in folds and sometimes I dont catch until it comes out of the dryer...not good. Now I cant wait til the snow disapears and I can hang out laundry again and see how the scent is on the clothes drying in the breeze outdoors.... | ||
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Post# 812359 , Reply# 102 3/4/2015 at 20:39 (3,330 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 812499 , Reply# 104 3/5/2015 at 22:28 (3,329 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It was only a matter of time.....
Knew it would happen and is one of the reasons why one loves the USA.
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Post# 812500 , Reply# 105 3/5/2015 at 22:29 (3,329 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 812507 , Reply# 107 3/6/2015 at 00:08 (3,329 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Others Will Follow. You Mark My Words
This seller is obviously delusional to take that sort of mark-up, spelling errors aside.
That being said it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there is money to be made on this Dial/Henkel Persil now sold in the USA. When you consider what persons were paying for Persil from Miele and other American sources not to mention having it shipped from overseas buyers ten dollars or so (depending upon tax or not) is cheap. Now factor in some persons for various ethical or moral reasons won't set foot in a Walmart, and or one isn't located near them.... Shipping costs obviously would be a factor. While don't think the large bottles will fit a USPS flat rate box, the Duo-Caps probably will easily. That is just eBay. There is also the potential for private sales via say a Craigslist or similar. | ||
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Post# 812545 , Reply# 108 3/6/2015 at 08:10 (3,328 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 812551 , Reply# 110 3/6/2015 at 08:45 (3,328 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 812615 , Reply# 119 3/6/2015 at 17:11 (3,328 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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No, I don't have a link to the review. I do have the printed magazine but it's obviously in German. The thing that really brought the overall score down was that clothes kept getting dingier because soil was redeposited onto the fibers. Henkel must have reformulated them because they were advertised as "New Formula" soon after the test was published. Other than that, these blue/green pouches seem to be the universal version of Persil, which means they have brighteners but no oxy bleach.
I wonder how much money Miele made selling Persil products? I mean, you are almost paying the same price (now) as we do here. | ||
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Post# 812672 , Reply# 122 3/6/2015 at 22:56 (3,328 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Persil's Duo-Caps reviews including the German consumer magazine test can be easily found by "Googling" using those keywords. The latter come up within the first page of hits for us. Unless things have changed the things have always been made in Hungary. www.henkel-cee.com/2013-8102_pers...
Long short the things were rated "poor" by a consumer testing: translate.google.com/translateQUE... However many actual consumers have no problems with the Duo-Caps The Dial Company/Persil and Walmart: This probably is going to be a long term exclusive relationship for awhile. You don't get much larger than Wally World when it comes to a global reach supermarket/shop so that is in their favor. Being as that may as one has previously stated Walmart stores aren't everywhere. Can drive to NJ or someplace but then you are adding tolls and cost of petrol just to fetch detergent. If one happens to be going that way would be a different story. But cannot see anyone from say Manhattan driving to Bayonne or Secaucus for a ten dollar bottle of detergent. Suppose if the household did lots of laundry and were buying by the case or at least several bottles. | ||
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Post# 812697 , Reply# 125 3/7/2015 at 08:22 (3,327 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Far as one can see Persil is strictly an in store item for now. That is did not see it at Walmart.com.
Also since Walmart does have stores in New York State there would be tax added on top of the shipping. Being all that as it may if the stuff does turn up at Wally World's online store then suppose ordering five or whatever bottles it takes to reach $50 wouldn't be that bad. Those that live in Manhattan who have country homes in New Jersey, or elsewhere also could simply stop in their local Walmart. | ||
| Post# 812700 , Reply# 126 3/7/2015 at 09:29 (3,327 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Perhaps Wal-Mart will open a new store in NYC. Perhaps on Fifth Avenue. LOL
Seriously, I do see that while Wal-Mart has stores all across the US, there will be those gaps in coverage, which may reduce potential Persil sales. And even in an area like mine, where Wal-Mart has locations, I can see some people deciding it's more of a drive than they want to get to the nearest location. Particularly if Persil is the only thing they'd buy at Wal-Mart. Stocking up is an option, of course, but most people I've known don't do that past buying the next jug of detergent when the old one starts approaching empty. | ||
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Post# 812705 , Reply# 127 3/7/2015 at 09:38 (3,327 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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1. Having used both German and UK (Unilever) Persil powders, I prefer the Unilever version hands down. That dampens my excitement about whatever non-Unilever formula is being sold here.
2. I refuse to pronounce it PerSIL (as in the videos Laundress posted). Is this a concession to Americans' tendency to put accents on second syllables of words? This happened to composer Henry Purcell in the US, too. His name is pronounced the same way the Brits say Persil, not PurSELL. 3. Lots of great dialogue, information and speculation in this very entertaining thread! | ||
| Post# 812725 , Reply# 128 3/7/2015 at 13:06 (3,327 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Post# 812731 , Reply# 130 3/7/2015 at 14:21 (3,327 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Pronunciation Actually, every syllable in the German language is stressed, which makes it Per-Sil, A-Ri-El and Ver-Nel.
I like these Persil Power Mix Caps. I guess these are Henkel's answer to Unilever's Dual Action Capsules, which I wish were sold here as well - along with those cute and practical Small & Mighty bottles with that build-in dosage ball / pretreat thingy. | ||
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Post# 812757 , Reply# 133 3/7/2015 at 19:12 (3,327 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Along with Tide "Boost" and similar detergent/bleach/stain removal pods get to me. IMHO they are admitting what many consumer testing groups and others have said for years now; liquid detergents do not clean universally as well compared to powders. This is especially true of powdered detergents with oxygen (often activated) bleaching systems.
So you purchase liquid Tide or whatever, then have to get a pod that contains the alkaline substance, bleach and other stain removers you could have gotten if just purchased a box of Tide with bleach from the start. Walmart in NYC? Not going to happen anytime soon I shouldn't wonder. The powers that be who run this place have a thing against Wally World. Even a planned Walmart store has drawn protests. Everything from destroying small businesses to low wages and so forth. Meanwhile back at the ranch small businesses such as hardware and others are vanishing in NYC at a brisk pace anyway. Ever rising commercial rents combined with Home Depot, Lowes, Duane Reade and so forth are forcing them out. Eventually a Walmart will open in NYC somewhere; after all the same powers that be fought Chick-A-Fil but apparently they are expanding here soon anyway. | ||
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| Post# 812860 , Reply# 139 3/8/2015 at 15:50 (3,326 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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| Post# 812862 , Reply# 140 3/8/2015 at 16:00 (3,326 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Post# 812880 , Reply# 144 3/8/2015 at 16:48 (3,326 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Website Just Came Online
It seems as one clicked it on Saturday morning and it was still "under construction".
Sort of bare to my mind's eye when compared to Persil/Henkel Germany or other European countries, but again that could be just me. Love the response to query if this is the same Persil from Germany: "Persil Power-Pearls are made by the same company that makes Persil in Germany and many European countries. Persil ProClean Power-Pearls deliver the exceptional cleaning experience that Persil consumers across Europe have come to know and love." Near as one can guess: Pro-Lift - Could be Henkel's version of "Acti-Lift" found in P&G's laundry detergents like Ariel and Tide. Intense Fresh - Probably a scent with more staying power and or is renewed each time one rubs against it. IIRC Henkel offers some fabric softeners and or detergents with those properties. At least some of products now list ingredients. For the Power Fresh liquid: www.persilproclean.com/en/product... Note Henke/Dial put together their webpage is seems using images, so you cannot cut and paste information elsewhere. However each product page has an ingredient listing towards the bottom. The Power Perls indeed do contain oxygen bleach and an activator. | ||
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Post# 812887 , Reply# 147 3/8/2015 at 17:19 (3,326 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If the liquid contains OBAs then will stick with the German/Henkel version for all its faults.
Reason why one went to Persil gel for colours in the first place was to get away from OBAs for certain off white and coloured items. P&G in the USA seems incapable of producing a detergent free of bluing agents so there you are. Disodium Distyrylbipheryl disulfonate is found in some version of Tide, Purex and other products as well: householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi... | ||
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INGREDIENTS I skimmed the ingredients list of the ProClean gels and compared them to the German gels.
The ProClean gels seem to be an equivalent to the Persil Universal gel: - optical brighteners - no color transfer protection - on less enzyme (lyase)
Likewise, the ProClean Power-Pearls lack lyase.
So the FAQ section on Persil's US page is right: it's made in the same factory... but with a slightly different formulation. | ||
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While I can very well understand the disappointment about the lack of color versions in the US I wouldn`t worry too much about OBAs as found in the liquid versions of Persil when used on darks. Their negative effect (color change) is much more pronouced on off whites and pastels.
When Henkel invented the first heavy duty color detergent in 1991 the new and revolutionary thing about it were dye transfer inhibitors. Light duty powders intended for delicates (Fewa, Korall, Rei which equals UK Dreft) have already been around for ages. They were OBA and bleach free, less caustic in Ph and made lots of suds to reduce mechanical wear of fabrics. They did not clean as well as regular powders hence were often only used for the most delicate things but not for the bulk of colored clothes. As for the megaperls I think if one takes those very fast american wash cycles and low temperatures into account the damage to colors should be negligible in particular if only used occasionally for the more challenging loads. We have done so for decades over here as well and the world did not come down ;-) | ||
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Post# 813122 , Reply# 154 3/9/2015 at 18:13 (3,325 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Persil pods, liquid, and pearls-in-a-bottle found at Walmart in southwestern Minnesota. End cap display was running either a video or just audio touting the high-performance detergent which they insist on pronouncing incorrectly. Was in a hurry and didn't stop to listen to the whole spiel. Didn't buy any, as I'm still in the honeymoon phase with Tide HE Turbo pods.
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Well it is about time they did the roll-out, and it does solve the problem of not being near a physical Walmart store. You still must deal with Wally World to get the American Persil so if you have qualms about that for now at least you are still out of luck.
Shipping prices are per order which IIRC means it is the same regardless of how many items. Once you reach $50 then shipping is free however. Didn't go through the motions to see if sales tax is added for my state, but assume it would since Walmart does have a physical presence. | ||
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My report on the Power-Perls.
1. Criticism of the cap (unreadable markings) and bottle (powder stuck on a shelf where the edges of the cap are supposed to seal) are justified. This is crappy and will put people off from buying again, imho. 2. The scent is essentially identical to the Australian Omo I tried a couple of years ago. It's a sharp, somewhat unpleasant floral scent reminiscent of dime-store perfume, nothing like the Persil circa 1990 I used before. It doesn't say upmarket to me. Why the Henkel Persil should smell the same as Unilever's Omo is a mystery. 3. Performance: Excellent, based on one load. Not to get icky here, but it has been mentioned by others before, so...my biggest laundry challenge is skid marks. Short of using Clorox, Tide with Bleach has come the closest to handling the problem, but the Pesril did a better job. My standard procedure is to spray with Shout, for what good it will do, and soak in "warm" (ha -- Whirlpool TL) water for an hour or so before a spin drain and full cycle in hot with T-shirts added. Kind of a poor man's profile wash. Persil had the stains out at the end of the soak period. I may try eliminating the soak and see how it does in just a regular hot wash. 4. Surprised nobody has mentioned the vintage US product the Power-Perls most resemble! 
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Post# 813711 , Reply# 166 3/13/2015 at 01:08 (3,322 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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I agree the scent airs out well, and I didn't use an extra rinse. Not sure if my description of floral is technically correct, but as opposed to spicy, herbal, or fruity, yes I'd say it is floral in a cheap, synthetic way.
I'm hard to please on scents, though. In the Seventies, most every detergent smelled at least okay; now hardly any of them do. Obviously I'm out of step with something. | ||
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Post# 813720 , Reply# 167 3/13/2015 at 02:53 (3,321 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 813748 , Reply# 168 3/13/2015 at 08:21 (3,321 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I ended up taking out the pour insert out of the PowerPearls bottle since I had that same issue. Henkel's knows that its going to be an issue since I mentioned it to them online in FaceBook. They said to just take the insert out. Now you would think that they would just leave it out in the first place. I find there is no need for it at all.
I did see the uber sized Persil bottles at Walmart and they are asking $18 a bottle. Its twice the size of the 48 load and 37 load bottles. They also had the PowerCaps in a snap lid box too. In the Walmart I went to, they had moved the plethora of Tide over and made room for Persil, right next to Tide. I am interested on how the detergent rates in CU. But one thing if this brand is going to do well is not limit it to Walmart. I know I have said it before, but the clientel of Walmart isnt going to spend $10 on a premium detergent when Xtra is only $1.99 a bottle. Henkels needs to rethink this out. | ||
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Post# 813765 , Reply# 169 3/13/2015 at 09:30 (3,321 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I ran a large load of whites in the Calypso a couple days ago with 2 oz. of Persil Power-Pearls, 2 tbsp STPP, 140°F incoming temp (I always purge the line). However, I also used 1/2 cup Clorox LCB in the timed dispenser (regular/sanitizing version) so perhaps it wasn't a fair test of the Persil. It was a grungy load, accumulating for probably 3 weeks. The results were on-par with Tide HE power, can't say better but surely not less. I did notice when folding that the items seemed slightly more harsh to the touch than usual (did not use softener, but usually don't on whites). There was no scent remaining of the Persil, although the LCB may be responsible for that. | ||
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Post# 813849 , Reply# 171 3/13/2015 at 18:50 (3,321 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Detergents like Persil with many enzymes, work best on a longer, warm wash. Flushing the detergent in with 140F water isn't exactly optimal*. That's also the reason why the underwear stains mentioned somewhere above vanished after a longish soak in warm water.
* the Euro Duet even flushes the dispenser with ten seconds of cold water before switching to hot | ||
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Post# 813857 , Reply# 172 3/13/2015 at 19:23 (3,321 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If One Is Going To Use LCB Then There Really Isn't A Rea
To use Persil, especially a version with oxygen bleach.
Everything about Persil like every other European "HE" detergent is geared to laundering under common methods/conditions found on that side of the pond. Chlorine bleach is rarely used for laundry in most European households. Hence the development of complex and complicated activated oxygen bleaching systems and or enzymes. Chlorine bleach cancels out oxygen bleach and kills enzymes, that in turn hobbles much of the purpose of Persil. | ||
| Post# 813960 , Reply# 173 3/14/2015 at 15:40 (3,320 days old) by Irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
I tried it and Love it!
Took it to the laundromat on a couple large loads of sheets. I also combined it with the tide oxy and found a little goes a long way. It smelled just like Mega pearls that I have used prior. For 9.97 it removed the massage oil with no problem. I hade to do a double take last night when I saw it in Happy Valley, Oregon Wal mart. I did a double take. Persil @ Wal mart! This is a great value, you won't be disappointed😃
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| Post# 813965 , Reply# 174 3/14/2015 at 15:59 (3,320 days old) by Irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
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Post# 814140 , Reply# 177 3/16/2015 at 00:23 (3,319 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Article in the 3/16 edition of the Wall Street Journal about the Wal-Mart/Persil hookup. It's an exclusive agreement, meaning you won't be seeing Persil at other store any time soon.
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| Post# 814146 , Reply# 178 3/16/2015 at 01:40 (3,319 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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What’s No. 2? Whatever is on sale. While I'm not particularly, a fan of Purex or Arm & Hammer. I do, have a thing for All & Surf. I think they clean pretty well, and they don't have insane, nauseating scents like most of the newer Tide offerings.
Purex. They had a line, I remember called, "Complete" with Zout. I really liked that, but I haven't seen it in years.
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| Post# 814381 , Reply# 179 3/17/2015 at 02:22 (3,317 days old) by Irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
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Post# 814428 , Reply# 181 3/17/2015 at 09:46 (3,317 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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I've been using the Persil pearls for just over two weeks now. About 15 loads later, I've found a new detergent. To me, it's on par with the German Universal powder, but not as good as the MegaPerls. I've had mostly good luck getting kitchen and household stains out. I'm using 45ml for usual loads and 65ml for dirtier loads (lines 1 and 2), as I've always done with the MegaPerls. It rinses very well, in our soft water.
The scent is a little sweeter to me than the German version, so I'm glad it rinses out. Though I like the scent. I found links to ingredients on Henkel's global site for their German detergents. As suspected, while similar in formulation, they're different. I'm bummed that Henkel NA decided not to offer a Colour version. I've been avoiding OBA's for darks for 8-9 yrs and have noticed a huge difference. But, I realise it's about making money and the majority of the American public want one size fits all. All in all, I'm very happy that they've brought Persil to the U.S., if they can get it out of Walmart and advertise, we may have a chance of it staying on the market. I think it's an excellent product, better than any of the American offerings. Plus, the U.S. version is way less expensive than the imported stuff. I also hope Dial/Henkel continues to see a market here and offer the colour versions. | ||
| Post# 814564 , Reply# 185 3/18/2015 at 05:23 (3,316 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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Post# 814654 , Reply# 186 3/18/2015 at 21:22 (3,316 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Persil Gel For Colors
At least the German version we have in our stash is very sudsy. Unless dosed correctly not only creates froth but does not rinse easily in either the Miele or Lavamat.
Gardenweb Laundry Room has chimed in and while some are thrilled with this Dial/Persil others are less enthusiastic. Being as all this may it is becoming clear the formula is *not* exactly the same sold in Germany. Am going to work with for a start things were changed in reaction to water conditions found in most of the USA. Then perhaps to keep the price point where Henkel thinks it needs to be in order to go against P&G/Tide. You'll notice on the Facebook page whenever anyone asks if these are the same formulas as sold in Germany, Persil Proclean responds "..... are made by the same company that makes Persil...." which isn't exactly the same thing. Borax: Is found in many liquid laundry detergents in the USA. IIRC most versions of Tide liquids have the stuff for a start. However boron is getting a bad name for itself from environmentalists in Europe. You'll notice most oxygen bleaching systems in Europe have moved from sodium perborate to percarbonate recently. | ||
| Post# 814744 , Reply# 188 3/19/2015 at 10:15 (3,315 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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ps Billie Dyer I have friends in Bellaire OH and attended their wedding there (reception in Wheeling) years ago. Never actually set foot in Steubenville though. | ||
| Post# 814766 , Reply# 189 3/19/2015 at 13:22 (3,315 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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| Post# 814790 , Reply# 190 3/19/2015 at 17:08 (3,315 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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Persil The liquid is not for HE machines! Even though it says "safe for all machines" funny how evryone around here always talks about tide HE oversidsing but they don't complain about persil, at least tide doesn't sudslock my machine causing it to fault out. | ||
| Post# 814825 , Reply# 191 3/19/2015 at 20:11 (3,315 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.) | ||
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The liquid sudsed a bit given a medium water level in a top loader so there was lots of splashing. However, it rinsed very well so I don't see a problem there. | ||
| Post# 814927 , Reply# 192 3/20/2015 at 16:10 (3,314 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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Persil power caps Update, i decided to brave walmart and go buy the persil "caps" because the liquid has too much suds, have a large load of work clothes washing now and NO suds at all! Kiss tide pods goodbye? Not sure just yet, have to do more testing ;-) | ||
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Post# 814972 , Reply# 193 3/20/2015 at 23:08 (3,314 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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 I picked up a 50 load bottle of the "Fresh Scent" power pearls for $12 at my local Walmart. They had the 37 load bottle of the "Original Scent" powder for $10, but my math indicated the larger bottle was a better deal.
They also had small and large bags and bins of the pods, but I passed on that.
I'll give the powder a try this weekend. In both the Neptune and the Miele.
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Post# 815013 , Reply# 194 3/21/2015 at 11:58 (3,313 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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The plunge
Earlier this week I also braved the local Wal-Mart in Waterloo to discover they indeed were stocking all Persil varieties. I picked up a 50 load bottle of pearls for 14.99 (the 36 load was 10.99). The first load was tested in the 806. All whites using the soak cycle, hot water. Nice suds level for an "HE" detergent, and it rinsed pretty well. One of the hand towels had some blood stains that came out nicely. Looking forward to using it in the Neptune as well as a Frigidaire.
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Post# 815061 , Reply# 197 3/21/2015 at 22:03 (3,313 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Walmart Is All Over Europe IIRC
Not just the USA as well. Though the Persil "ProClean" is only for the United States maybe Wally World has an arrangement for a larger discount based upon worldwide sales of Henkel products.
We keep coming back to outside of Walmart few other grocery/supermarket chains in the USA can compete. This of course begs the question why not use Dial Corporation's established product distribution system. I mean they can get Purex, Fels Naptha, Right Guard and other products in stores from Maine to California so what was so special about Persil? | ||
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| Post# 815174 , Reply# 204 3/22/2015 at 17:57 (3,312 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Greys & Whites... Word of advice, they don't mix well. Overtime, the grey fabric dye will leach onto your whites, causing this, nasty dingy hue. You can prevent/fix this by using Chlorine Bleach, as it'll remove the extra dye.
But still, be careful in mixing color clothing with whites. :-)
(If I was mixing, I'd do Blue Clothing, or Blue Socks. Those won't have much of a *noticeable* effect ;) ) This post was last edited 03/22/2015 at 18:24 | ||
| Post# 815180 , Reply# 205 3/22/2015 at 18:21 (3,312 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Walmart For what it's worth, 60% of americans, step foot in a Walmart store every single month. It's a necessary evil.
Walmart... despite might not being well liked. Does have the largest distribution system in the country, and just getting one product into every supercenter can make a company. One has to remember that.
If I was going to launch a product, with just one company, I'd choose Walmart anyday over Target. And this is coming from a Target Team Member. You're just going to have a larger customer base, and... more exposure to your brand.
Maybe. I just live in a nicer area. But... I've never seen anyone panhandling near our Walmart. I kinda think it's a privilege to shop there. Our store is very nice and clean, and well laid out. And, as long as you're not shopping on a Weekend, it's never hectic.
And...
That's another thing. Guys. Grocery Shop during the week. Saturdays & Fridays, are the WORST time to go grocery shopping.
Your walking in on the last day of a sale typically (for one)... so anything good, is typically gone. And second, I'd say at least 50% of a supermarkets weekly volume sales, are conducted on Saturday. It's the worst time to shop.
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Post# 815319 , Reply# 208 3/23/2015 at 10:47 (3,311 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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OMG! Can I come out of the closet........... .....about using a Flipfold?
Yes I saw it there on a counter in one of these photos!!!! So I'm not the only one that hides them away so folks won't think I'm nuts??!!! I love mine! I have two. One up front by the Washer and Dryer and another back in the bedroom because I'm too lazy to walk all the way up front. My other half thinks I'm nuts using that thing, but he sure likes the way his clothes get folded (he's banned from the washer when some of his stupid gym socks with black toes and heels ruined a load of whites)!
I have been following this thread on Persil because I used to use it exclsively. I had the two forumulations. One for whites and one for colors and loved them both. About five years ago though I developed this strange allergy to Essential Oils and other fragrances. So I had to quit using all kinds scented products that I really liked.
I have been seening the Persil ads on TV the past few weeks and was as surprised as many of you to see it being sold here.
The closest I've found to the Persil is the Sears brand detergent with OXY clean. I know we have discussed this product before and not all were that taken with it but I have been happy with it as it doesn't seem to irritate my skin as it is not highly scented. | ||
| Post# 815324 , Reply# 209 3/23/2015 at 11:05 (3,311 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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That would be little ol' me with the Flip-n-Fold. I love mine and I use it every laundry day. Granted it takes alittle more time but its worth it in neatness. I remember the episode of The Big Bang Theory where Sheldon was in the laundry room using his Flip-n-Fold...Scott looked at me with this grin and said see...your like Sheldon! LOL
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| Post# 815344 , Reply# 210 3/23/2015 at 14:09 (3,311 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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At Wal-mart yesterday
they had Persil sensitive skin for $11.99
I already had some of the Powder and liquid so I passed I guess I am a little underwhelmed, It's a premium detergent, commanding a premium price, but I don't see it any better or worse than Tide. I may keep these in the drawer under the washer, but Tide will still be my main detergent. | ||
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Post# 815372 , Reply# 211 3/23/2015 at 17:01 (3,311 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I tried the Persil Power-Perls Intense Fresh powder the other day on a load of bath sheets.
They came out clean enough, but rather on the stiff/scratchy side. Previously I've been using a variety of liquid detergents, and the towels usually come out much softer than with the Persil powder. So it's back to the liquid stash for bath towels.
Next I'll try a load of colors (shirts, slacks, etc.) that I normally launder with Sears Ultra boosted with STPP.
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Post# 815690 , Reply# 212 3/25/2015 at 08:05 (3,309 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia) |
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Hi Guys,
Curiosity got the better of me and I caved in and ordered some Power Pearls Intense Fresh and the Original Liquid to be shipped to Australia (so much more expensive than it has been previously for some reason). I love them both so far but did have to remove the silly pour spout from the powder because its just impractical. Love the scent of both, washed some sheets in the pearls and they are just divine after a windy line dry. Shirts in the liquid and smell wonderful and fresh. All food stains gone even in a cool wash. Very happy with them. Matt | ||
| Post# 815711 , Reply# 213 3/25/2015 at 10:12 (3,309 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
I said before, will repeat now
I think persil got really overrated to unthinkable levels in the US, say because now there's the fashion of Europe and european stuff is "trendy" so also because of the evident Europeization of America plan by the govs, say because Miele pumped it like they pumped their machines, Germans are good sellers also, they can sell well a story like the italians always do...yes, I mean it's not that is crap, but on both sides of the pond now the detergent market is pretty much mature, as far as I'm concerned there're detergents that will do the exact same job and even better than Persil, both here that in the US, of course that's my opinion and finding about, I buy Dixan sometimes but even though I don't like P&G moves about marketing etc.. I gotta say Dash, EU Ariel, mexican Ariel and US Tide beat Dixan always...but so does other powders like italian Sole (dixan is what is henkel Persil in Italy- same exact thing as German one).... I can find cheaper powders giving me the same and also better results for half the cost of it.... Really it's not that great for me... | ||
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Post# 815792 , Reply# 214 3/25/2015 at 18:53 (3,309 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yes, we understand your point.
However the United States is *not* Europe and until *very* recently good quality detergents for "HE" or even just front loading washing machines have been scarce.
P&G's first offering of Tide HE was a disaster. Unless carefully dosed it created just as much froth and was hard to rinse as normal Tide. Where Miele and even AEG (via Canada) were concerned you are talking about washing programs vastly different than anything else on the US market at that time. American detergents even IIRC Tide "HE" are/were designed for high dilution (top loading washing machines) with short cycles (wash about 10 to 18 minutes), and not the long often profile washes of European machines. I like many have gotten very good results using older American detergents (especially those loaded with phosphates), but lately have noticed results in both the Miele and Lavamat are better with European detergents. Fact is only detergents from Europe (older Persil 59 and the various Persil, Dato, Super Croix, OMO, etc...) are the only detergents I use in the Lavamat. Quite honestly am moving towards that with the older Miele as well. Just find results are consistently great with less issues of froth and difficulty rinsing. Of the recent offerings from Tide both the Free and Gentle and the now defunct Coldwater Free are actually pretty good liquid detergents. If dosed correctly have little issues with foaming and stain/soil removal are excellent. However the liquid/gel offerings from Europe still have slight edge in terms of overall performance. Front loading washing machines in the USA tended or still do have rather short cycles than say many European machines. Laundromat washers in particular still do not run very long cycles. This means you could get away with typical American detergents due to lack of worries about potency giving out over long wash times. | ||
| Post# 815859 , Reply# 215 3/26/2015 at 06:39 (3,308 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Launderess...dear..
Look that I am well aware that Europe is not the United states, but I think I can speak about detergents since I buy lots of american detergents and I used and tried pretty much all you can find on the average US market, some South American and european... I am well aware of the early HE low foam products and how they do in A FL..remember I used many and currently have one in my "petit-collection"... High diluition may be a matter...but as far as I'm concerned is not really that Big to justify the success Persil have now that anyway most HE products seems to do great in any machine... I could have gotten it if the insertion of persil on market would have happened long ago when Low foam/front loader powders were re-gearing up..but not now..well I mean..I don't get the big deal about it. The matter of the "profile" of a wash and detergents may have had more importance in the now-long-gone times we didn't have Taed and percarbonate, oxygen activators etc were not common but only plain perborate, but today's detergents pretty much all got TAED and or anyway oxygen bleach activators that provides an effective bleaching already in warm-medium water. European front loaders typically had longer wash cycles because in many european countries they have to heat their own water and were meant to do that anyway vs what is an historical Hot fill in the US. Initially in the past infact you gotta had an initial phase where enzymes and surfactans worked and as the wash proceeded oxy bleach was engaged, that meant further longer wash times needed as bleaching action was engaged later in the wash portion as the water reached proper hotness... Of course as you say American detergents tended and so do now to do all at once, but so does european detergents now from decades, especially recently that are always more developped to deliver same in further lower temperatures, now even "cool" 15-20 degrees as they state on the packages... In the US there are also variations including an increased amount of bleach which counterbalance the fact that many low end cheap powders doesn't by default in the US, but is kind of same here where the percarbonate in low end powders is so little or so bad quality not to even make a difference, but the difference in the US is that these low end stuff typically have a slightly more expensive but still cheap variation with bleach, here not.... i find it a more intelligent approach. I believe the cheap basic formula of these low end ones doesn't as you can always add the kind of bleach (LCB, oxy or whatevr) action you prefer in any case, I believe that is because in the US there might the chance that some families doesn't have the possibility to use water hot enough to really get an oxy bleaches working resulting in a mere waste and an increase of price that would result in losing a slice of market, these folks I mentioned gotta use LCB as opposed to Europe where as said all of the machines typically will never have the incapability to get the water hot enough to get an oxy bleach do it's job, even though many do use LCB the same. Another curious thing is that this bleach/ultra white/oxy action whatever you call it tendence to put an increased bleach amount is being exported over here, where you now have many detergents in ultra white/ultra bleach/with vanish etc versions.. Tide was among the first with this attitude of increased bleach, even though the original versions and pretty much most P&G offerings and in general all the TOL P&G or not powder stuff contains percarbonate and or activators the same by default, just less of them vs the W/bleach, both versions of Tide with bleach or original are indeed very good, the original variation of Tide is already better than persil in my opinion. But again so is mexican ariel or Gain which for half the cost just do the very same of persil IMO, hence why I say the detergents are mature pretty much everyhwere and can't quite get all this craze about Persil. But I agree that initially persil may have gotten the good fame it did also because it was designed for a front loader while in the US these kind of products were not around since alot of times and they were just kind of breaking-in ..I just question why is it still so "Big deal" now and why the persil... A choice more is anyway always welcome though..don't you agree? This post was last edited 03/26/2015 at 08:58 | ||
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Post# 815867 , Reply# 216 3/26/2015 at 07:25 (3,308 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Unlike Europe where TAED bleach activators have become generic, P&G holds and has locked down all patents for such oxygen bleaching systems (based on NBOS)in the USA. Thus the only products you see with activated bleaching technology are Tide other detergents from P&G such as Gain that have received trickle down technology.
P&G also has released a plethora of activated oxygen bleach additives (Tide here, Ariel across the pond). All my washing machines drain into sink so am able to judge the quality of rinse water. Modern P&G powdered detergents leave a chalky residue on the side of the sink, Persil does not. Cheer powder actually discolored the metal tub of my Hoover Twin Tub. Persil powder and mega-perls are far more forgiving in terms of rinsing if over dosed than Tide. Cannot think of one "low" or "cheap" powdered detergent in the USA that contains oxygen bleach. Biz is sold as either a bleach or laundry pre-soak/stain remover depending upon whatever the new owners seem to prefer. In any event it is no longer made by P&G so does not contain their activated bleaching system. In my area of NYC there is only one powder left on store shelves, Tide, and even that can be hard to find. Balance of the space has given over to liquids or pod format detergents. Thus do not know where you are finding these "cheap" powders, and cannot therefore comment. My Lavamat is a cold fill only machine and thus by nature will do a "profile wash" if temps above "cold" are selected. It will go further if one selects "stain" option. The cycles are long and while they can be shortened even then the shortest cotton/linen/normal runs about 80mins. Allowing the machine to fill with warm or even hot water confuses the thing as it messes with the set heating parameters. Tide with bleach powder on its own never shifted certain stains the way Persil or even other European detergents in my stash can with ease. Have had good results with using Tide cold-water liquid in a soaking bath over night, and long wash cycles in either the Miele or Lavamat. Will put my stash of both vintage and modern detergents up against yours or anyone else's any day of the week. Increasingly for my money and time am coming round to preferring a "one step solution". That is add one product, start machine and that is that. | ||
| Post# 815869 , Reply# 217 3/26/2015 at 08:00 (3,308 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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I don't know about that trickle down tecnology, but I can tell for sure Gain, Tide and Ariel as for others washed better than Dixan- Persil do..and you could see and feel the good bleaching action, Tide and mexican Ariel shifted stains Dixan always have hard times to deal with giving better whites to me.
Findings... I get some chalky resiudes on the sink using Dixan and Persil indeed...my machines also drains in the sink and agree there's not better judge than ourselves for that..what I find leaving more resiudes though is Lever's British persil, even though it less foaming it leaves other residues. P&G also released lots of bleaches additives here, in the past as well that keeps being sold, we recall Ace that was on since the early 90s and of course as every where else the are now the additves of the same brands of detergents Ariel or Dash upon the country. Over here each manufacturer company came up with an additive at some Point we talk of 90s as well, RB had vanish, Henkel had Sil, Bolton Manitoba had Omino Bianco, p&G Ace etc.. Low-end/cheap detergents in the US who contains oxy stuff in original versions are many store brands, Oxydol, The lever surf before being sold did, Ariel (cheap indeed)...to name few... so there are..then there are always the versions with bleach, but as I stated it's true that on general note and speaking generally and largely cheap/BOL ones in the US doesn't typically contain bleach in their original/clasic/basic versions, and I suppose it's for the reasons I mentioned, which is what I defined a more intelligent approach. I don't certainly shop in NY even because the prices over there are sort of crazy vs elsewhere in the US, I agree that the choice in NYC stores and supermarkets is beyond pitiful for what concerns the powders, but also for liquids it's not that "nice" but there are places around US where powders are common to be sold, I've read in another thread you are snobby regarding shopping at walmart...well that's a place where you can find plenty of powders... "Will put my stash of both vintage and modern detergents up against yours or anyone else's any day of the week. Increasingly for my money and time am coming round to preferring a "one step solution". That is add one product, start machine and that is that. " I don't quite get what you mean with this launderess, could you please explain better? This post was last edited 03/26/2015 at 11:04 | ||
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Post# 815875 , Reply# 218 3/26/2015 at 09:01 (3,308 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Walmart: Many other Americans do not like that place for various reasons having nothing to do with who or whom shops there; more like the Walton family and how they run their business. But we aren't on that right now.
Trickle down: P&G developed and holds all patents for activated oxygen bleaching systems for the USA market using NBOS. You can see them listed on the sides of P&G detergents/bleaches by looking up the patent numbers listed. P&G began with Biz which was originally a pre-soak. They then transferred the technology to Oxydol. That product went from a soap to detergent with oxygen bleach to activated oxygen bleach. Finally P&G developed Tide with Bleach when they perfected their oxygen bleaching system. As P&G's premier powdered detergent all innovations first go to TWB and at one time remained. Now P&G has allowed some but no all of that technology to "trickle down" to Gain powder with bleach, Tide Stain Release powder, Tide Stain Boost/Vivid Pods and so forth. Because TWB cleaned so well and could be used as a pre-wash or pre-soak sales of Biz dropped and it soon became almost an after thought brand. Have a huge stash of older Biz "bleach" and you really do not need to use it with a detergent as it contains everything needed on its own including enzymes. Oxydol also became a "forgotten" brand over shadowed by TWB. Both have now been sold off. As stated previously in this forum the reason P&G, Unilever and so forth are developing these bleach/enzyme additives has to do with the rise of liquid or gel detergents over powders. Liquid detergents cannot/do not contain oxygen bleaching systems. Some do not contain complex enzyme cocktails either. Most every consumer testing group on both sides of the pond note liquid/gel detergents do not whiten or remove all marks as well as powdered detergents with bleach. What to do? Sell a stand alone product that replaces what is missing; oxygen bleach, an activator, and perhaps some alkaline agent. This is what one means by an "one step solution". With Persil powder or a few other European detergents I don't have to add anything else. Just put the powder in dispenser or pod in drum, close door, start machine and walk away. Persil, Ariel and a few other European powdered detergents in my stash will deal with all manner of marks and soil on laundry *by themselves*. I don't have to add extra oxygen bleach or anything else. | ||
| Post# 815877 , Reply# 219 3/26/2015 at 09:11 (3,308 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 815883 , Reply# 220 3/26/2015 at 09:38 (3,308 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Case In Point
Have decided to start using some of the vast amounts of European detergents in my stash.
Last night did several loads of bed linen using the Super Croix pods. Measured out detergent into a dosing ball (an entire pod is too much product for a load of sheets), put into machine, shut door, started machine and went away. Came back and removed spotless and brilliantly white/clean linens. No muss, no fuss, nothing more added including STPP. | ||
| Post# 815897 , Reply# 222 3/26/2015 at 10:48 (3,308 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes I see, I'm also of the school of thought only the detergent should be enough, always said that, and liquids or pods never do for me for the well known reasons you mentioned, not much for loads like sheets which don't see much dirt, but for stuff like kitchen clothing, rags tablecloths etc, or also colors when medium to extremely dirty/stained.
About liquids and pods I find Henkel's ones being watered down/ineffective vs what are the P&G liquids or others offerings over here, especially for what it costs, never tried the super croix pods but Henkel's stuff is rather too much soapy/frothy and nothing more than that...they generally stink too with exceptions like Bio Presto, liquid Tide and pods also don't do for me but it's still better than Henkel's stuff. Today's Liquid/gel dixan (which is not nearly comparable to the gel they used to make back in the days) to get a decent slippery wash liquor i'd need to add something to soften water, otherwise it's like I didn't even put some soap forget a detergent, I don't see a good enzyme action in enzimatic stains either..and as you go "TOLler" and "BOLler" with General (Spee in germany), Bio Presto, or german Weiss Raus enzyme action is even worse. OTOH as said liquids never did well for me. I generally avoid powders missing bleaches also. I'm actually againts the idea of buying something more when a detergent, at least what would be my ideal detergent could and *should* have everything to guarantee that alone, especially when price is already high, but that is for me, infact I test detergent effectiveness on that..if it doesn't do alone that's no good for me. Of course though i also said that in the US or whatever market would actually be wise now to distinguish among products with bleach or not, for the simple fact that different people, for different reasons prefer or need to use different bleaching methods. But as of today I find intelligent to keep out bleaches from classic/basic formulas and offer a W/bleach version for those who have the possibility and want to go with oxy bleaching or simply find it best for them..detergent makers should also do some laundry educational campaigns on that, and generally build their business on that, just think how many percarbonate goes down wasted and not advantaged-of in those"cold water wash",LCB user folk's drains... not on gimmicks. But that's another matter... This post was last edited 03/26/2015 at 11:13 | ||
| Post# 816015 , Reply# 224 3/26/2015 at 23:23 (3,308 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Powder Detergents with Oxy-Bleach.. From my local Walmart. Sun Powder, Purex Powder, All Powder, Gain Powder, along with Oxiclean & Arm and Hammer Powder. I think even Fab Powder has it.
I personally wouldn't consider "Gain" or "Oxiclean" a cheap powder, but, I may be alone in that. All & Surf are actually very good performers on most stains, despite their low price tags.
I used to really like Tide Original Powder, until there nasty scent change. Even with it being Free, still don't like using the stuff.
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Post# 816020 , Reply# 225 3/27/2015 at 01:36 (3,308 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Perhaps Should Have Been More Clear
Yes, many powdered detergents do have oxygen bleach. However none outside of those made by P&G and where they deem wish it to be so have bleach activators. My vintage box of Rinso has sodium perborate. Clorox II for Colors has the same IIRC. Ditto Snowy bleach powder, and tons of other things.
Activated oxygen bleaching systems make a huge difference when sodium perborate is used and even to an extend sodium percarbonate. The latter is nicknamed the "cold water" oxygen bleach because it will work in warm or even cool/cold water especially if contact time is increased. However the use of NBOS or TAED with oxygen bleaches creates peracetic acid in situ. PAA is not only a better bleach than hydrogen peroxide it provides greater disinfection properties. PAA is what breweries use to sanitize bottles before beer goes in. This powerful bleaching is why you often hear person complain Tide With Bleach "faded" their colored laundry even when used in cool or cold water. It also why Persil and many European detergents with such systems developed color versions without. One or two off washes with say Persil Universal probably won't fade your dark blue shirt. However routine use is another matter. | ||
| Post# 816024 , Reply# 226 3/27/2015 at 02:11 (3,307 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
Got a bit happy at the walmart... Lol roughly $12 per container, cheaper than what my cost was through my miele dealer account.
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| Post# 816096 , Reply# 227 3/27/2015 at 15:37 (3,307 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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Walmart While i was at walmart buying persil i noticed something new by arm & hammer, scent boosters.
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Post# 816122 , Reply# 228 3/27/2015 at 18:06 (3,307 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 816135 , Reply# 229 3/27/2015 at 19:08 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 816137 , Reply# 230 3/27/2015 at 19:16 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 816141 , Reply# 231 3/27/2015 at 20:01 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 816146 , Reply# 232 3/27/2015 at 20:44 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Supersuds....scent suppressor don't exist..but..detergents...
You might be lucky trying out some detergents for Hunter's laundry, they are meant (or so claims) to be scent killer, important thing for hunters... Actually... With the candy store/rotten fruit scent modern detergents have, maybe they can even act to attract some preys...hunters should think about that...LOL | ||
| Post# 816147 , Reply# 233 3/27/2015 at 20:45 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 816148 , Reply# 234 3/27/2015 at 20:52 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 816160 , Reply# 235 3/27/2015 at 21:55 (3,307 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Launderess...i think we got you well first time..
But we were speaking of cheap/low end U.S powders containing bleach which you said you couldn't think of.. and Mitch just listed some to you... If we wanna speak about cheap detergents in Europe though , I could start with Italy listing you MSDS of the common cheap powder you find over here, offered both by RB and Henkel (we don't have Lever involved in laundry here) that doesn't contain perborate, TAED or any activators the same...just carbonate peroxide and many of them in pitiful quantities and or quality/saturation. I came upon a few detergents from small manufacturers that just had perborate, stuff who kept the same formula of many moons ago, stuff that wouldn't sell well because would not do well in the average "below 60 degrees trend" washes of today....I hope for their sales they changed it now. So to be even more clear..perhaps it was me saying "pretty much all" that confused us... I was speaking generally about P&G TOL or not, so including stuff like Gain who are not TOL indeed yet it includes the NOBS..so it was "moi" who perhaps gave birth to this misunderstanding? I apologize. So...at least here activators in the cheap or BOL powders, forget most stores brand or Private labels, are not *that* common either....the only non-TOL powders I could find TAED in were ones from German discounts like LIDL , yet a large production meant for a large Europewide distribuition, actually they're known marks (just google formil, Almat, Tandil) so much that in some counties they've even been equiparated to stuff like Ariel..but actually not quite cheap (lidl's formil for example costs 8.99 as much as Dash box cost here)and not all formil version does..for ex the XXL box doesn't..anyway still not falling in the cheap BOL category... Of course all the TOL and some of the MOL offerings (europewide speaking) does have taed but so is in the US with the P&G's "Nonano" thing (am sure can't spell it well) which now owns pretty much 60% or 70% of Laundry market in the US... P&G it's bigger there than here ...less competitors, hence kind of monopolize the market... But here is my initial affermation, that in the US even though owned by one company you could find TAED or similar the same as here. Here it's just that you have more different TOL offerings altoghterer from various countries but each one belonging to his own country, so better speak of different names, with different scents but from same manufacturers, and yes some more companies using taed in TOL than USA (P&G)), USA is huge but a country on it's own, Europe is an union of many with internal micro-economies belonging to each country...but for how many detergent/brands you find in each country, always TOL and expensive they remain, and choice may also reduce to be just few TOL offerings with Taed like it is in Italy, in any ways here we arrive to why I don't get the big deal about persil's white and cleaning boasting like if it were a thing americans never seen before... that's because I said that I found Tide, Gain to be even better for me in many aspects vs the persil not just about cleaning and whiteness, megaperls (german original) don't also have the damn perborate all people speaks about it allegedly has (see for example MSDS in reply 158) ..but that's a finding not a fact...and of course I get that a choice more is always welcome, especially if you don't like Tide or P&G for various reasons, say rinsing (which again, I can't quite share) or frothing whatever. Also: True that some TOL detergents with activators in Europe tend to contain Perborate along, say Persil and Dash/Ariel, but as far as I see it, detergents in Europe also include much more ingredients both involved in softening and surfactancy and typical formulas for low diluition vs a hybrid-combo (for both TL and FL) adrressed formula in the US, thus I question if that is because in europe it's left less space in the formulation for more of or "richer" percarbonate, and and so here is why they needed to put a stronger thing like perborate along in order to guarantee the bleaching action using less quantity meant as "volume it keeps" of bleaching compound due to the already large consistency involved in the European TOL products formulas? Percarbonate takes more space than perborate for what it does.... Perborate alone as additive is also sort of outlawed here unfortunately, still available imported from some other places "under the counter" but rare to be found. In any ways...all you said was heard loud and clear here... :) This post was last edited 03/27/2015 at 22:48 | ||
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Post# 816183 , Reply# 236 3/27/2015 at 23:55 (3,307 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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TAED vs NOBS
Have had the spelling backwards, sorry.
In any event TAED isn't used in the Untied States, and NOBS is confined to Japan and the United States. The patents long ran out on TAED which is how Henkel, Unilever and anyone else over there who wants to develop/use an activated bleaching system based on that chemical can. As stated P&G has managed to keep a lock on NOBS here in North America so won't see that activated oxygen bleaching system anywhere else but in P&G laundry or automatic dishwasher products. IIRC NOBS works well with how Americans did washing until recently; at lower temperatures and using high dilution detergents, in short top loading washers that did not heat their own water. TAED OTOH is the opposite and was developed with the long profile washes commonly found in Europe. TAED was responsible for allowing Persil and others to advertise "turning down the dial" and housewives still able to achieve boil wash results but at lower wash temps. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nona... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraacetyl... These activators were necessary when sodium perborate was the main oxygen bleach. Sodium perborate does not give good bleaching results in cool or even warm water. Well it will if you increase contact time. It does however really get going at temps of 120F or even >140F; boil washing. The original Persil worked so well because wash was boiled either in a pot or by machine. Biz, Oxydol and even the original Tide with Bleach all contained sodium perborate. | ||
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Post# 816186 , Reply# 237 3/28/2015 at 00:26 (3,307 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 816199 , Reply# 238 3/28/2015 at 02:40 (3,306 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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There's an easy enough solution for the oxygen bleach thingie.
Just get some Oxyclean and add some to the wash. It should activate quite well at warm temps, maybe even at tempered cold (which I rarely use and don't recommend). Oxyclean is mainly sodium percarbonate, which activates at lower temps than sodium perborate.
Some US detergents even include Oxyclean in their formulations. Sears Ultra Plus had an Oxyclean formulation for a while; it cleans very well, doesn't oversuds in a Miele, and seems to have fairly good bleaching action. It also seemed to be more gentle on fabrics than most powders (leaving them softer). Unfortunately I haven't seen any Sears Ultra Plus with Oxyclean for a while now.
Here's the Wiki entry on NOBS:
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Post# 816200 , Reply# 239 3/28/2015 at 02:45 (3,306 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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And here is the ingredient list for Persil Pro Clean Power-Pearls:
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| Post# 816223 , Reply# 240 3/28/2015 at 07:45 (3,306 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 816251 , Reply# 241 3/28/2015 at 12:25 (3,306 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes Launderess that's exactly so....
They're different compounds but with a common goal...or almost, say a few dickers of difference in degrees. This post was last edited 03/28/2015 at 12:47 | ||
| Post# 816407 , Reply# 242 3/29/2015 at 11:01 (3,305 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
I'm glad that you now have the opportunity to choose for another premium detergent on you market, and for those who already loved Persil in your front loaders that you are now able to get it for much less money.
I agree with Launderess. Until now European detergents are formulated to perform much better in front loaders than American detergents, even HE one. Maybe now with Persil from Dial/Henkel the times has changed. I'm talking from my experiences. I collect detergents from all around the World and have try plenty of them. I don't agree that American detergents (both regular and HE) performs equally in a front loader or even beats an European detergent. Different formulation (less multienzymes, no oxygen bleach and activators...), High dilution, Suds and much less (or even total absence) of Anti-redeposition agents ...etc. etc. All this are the reasons an American detergent cannot be the same as a European one. And frankly this is normal. This is not Europe vs. America or America vs. Europe, it is not the fashion of Europe being "trendy". This is just the fact that every product is designed to work better in its environment. And it's not that Persil is overrated to unthinkable, it's just that now has been offered to Americans something new on their shelves, a detergent with a European formulation. Ingemar | ||
| Post# 816424 , Reply# 243 3/29/2015 at 13:51 (3,305 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Then we'll have to agree to disagreement Ingemar, from my experience I found many american detergents to beat european detergents about cleanliness and Persil is one of beated ones...but that's a matter that came after.
Not sure how it came to be your eyes an "America vs Europe or Europe vs America" matter, my Initial comment was about Persil and the fact that I don't find it *that* great (as many claims) about cleaning and don't quite get all the boasting about better whites or getting stuff more clean like nothing before, in any machine you use it ..then all that came after is just general discussion about detergents... Nobody said Euro powders are not designed better to work in a front loader, they're for sure, but as not everyone has a front loader and Persil is indeed sold as "all type machine" product on par with HE I speak generally, and again, for example I found Tide and Ariel to provide better whites and clean than Persil both the Tide Powder and Liquid respectively to Dixan/persil and in all machines i used it in.. Findings..... And again, many American detergents do have oxygen bleaches and NOBS activators are found in P&G's, enzymes like Lipase in particular formulations like regular high sudsing powders and also HE are not much needed as fat is supposed to be got rid off from the greater surfactans and so is, same is with Amylase, Cellulase is found in TOL (like it's here) and is just to get rid of lint, high diluition matter I clearly said that in the US you have hybrid formulas the HE are indeed hybrid and meant to work in both machines types so just not specifically made for Front loaders like Euro powders are ,anti rediposition are pretty much the same...but I agree that in a front loader the difference in formula and a specifical low diluition may be more substantial...but what i found to be with Persil and specifically in the results was not that big to justify the boasting it had IMO, especially about cleaning ability! As I didn't find any difference for else and it rather sucks at cleaning vs say Tide cuz cannot remove certain stains and dirts that with Tide or Gain and Ariel I never had left. Can I have an opinion???? What it is and it's not is nothing but an opinion, I have mine you have yours, for me Persil got overrated like pretty much all that comes from Europe just cuz "hey it comes from Europe"! This post was last edited 03/29/2015 at 16:48 | ||
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Post# 816427 , Reply# 244 3/29/2015 at 14:15 (3,305 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 816429 , Reply# 245 3/29/2015 at 14:25 (3,305 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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A simple trick for reducing suds in a front loader for an American "HE Compatible" labeled detergent... just add some granulated or grated plain soap. Ivory bar soap would do. This will help to suppress suds while actually aiding cleaning to some extent. I suppose teaspoon would do, might take some trial and error.
I say this because listed in the ingredients for the Walmart Persil powders is soap. And from previous info from Laundress, Persil has long added soap to its powdered detergents to help prevent over-sudsing.
As for Euro vs American technology... let's just say these are different regions with different practices and different needs. Because of the lingering preponderance of high dilution low temp top loading washers in the USA, American laundry detergents always seem to be a bit of a compromise between providing the level of suds that an American consumer wants to see in a top loader, and the suds control a front loader needs. There are additional differences revolving around wash temp, wash cycle length, and spin speeds, that affect how a detergent will behave even in an American designed front loader vs. a European designed front loader. I probably wouldn't use Persil in a high dilution top loader. It might work OK, but I think an old style higher sudsing detergent may be better for that. Take your pick!
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| Post# 816431 , Reply# 246 3/29/2015 at 14:32 (3,305 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Ahahahahah!
Louis...how does that make it so??? It's not a secret that the Made in Europe is trendy, and you have folks getting nuts when they read something comes from Europe even though in the US you already have stuff much greater... That is not an America vs Europe matter....unless you've a guilty coscience. | ||
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Post# 816436 , Reply# 247 3/29/2015 at 14:45 (3,305 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 816438 , Reply# 248 3/29/2015 at 14:50 (3,305 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes, soap bar will reduce sudsing to some extent but it will not last longer and soon it will start to build up again, you have better luck adding some more silicone or whetever oil for longer lasting foam suppression.
Said that, I agree that every detergent is made of course for what you've in a country, as stated previously I don't think the temperature plays a big role, not anymore, because as I said you've now powders now that in both sides of the pond will now work in warm water (20-40C),in both sides of the pond percarbonate is the main bleach you find in detergents vs Perborate that once only was...and always less people will now do washes above 60 (140 F). A US top loader like many US FL will likely never reach boiling point nor I find a TL needs to, with a top loader as a FL W/out heater you're limited in case your heater don't or for whatever other reason you cannot reach a proper wash temperature to get a plain oxy bleach working, here comes activators.. different yes as you've different variants, europe's machines always heats the water, US not so you may have folks that for the reasons said before cannot reach a proper temp, hence why P&G developped NOBS that will guarantee a sort of acceptable action even in cool so covering pretty much all situations, situations that in Europe due to heating machines will likely never happen, not a case this technology is the same as japan, where as we all know machines don't typically do washes above what comes from your cold water tap only. This post was last edited 03/29/2015 at 15:30 | ||
| Post# 816439 , Reply# 249 3/29/2015 at 14:53 (3,305 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 816536 , Reply# 250 3/30/2015 at 10:12 (3,304 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I tried the Persil "Intense Fresh" powder again yesterday, this time on bed sheets and bed spread. It worked well enough, but the scent was too lingering strong for my taste. I might try the original scent next time; the reason why I got the Intense Fresh was because it came in a larger bottle which worked out to less per ounce than the smaller bottle. Of course that's assuming the original scent is less powerful than the Intense Fresh scent.
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| Post# 816537 , Reply# 251 3/30/2015 at 10:25 (3,304 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab) | ||
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It's good. I just did my jeans load using mom's Electrolux top load washer Henkel is almost everywhere, for those which sold in the Us. Scottsdale, AZ by the way I really like the nice smell after each load all over the house. BJ | ||
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Post# 816636 , Reply# 253 3/30/2015 at 22:09 (3,304 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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I agree
This is the "no problem" detergent. Doesn't need anything added. Doesn't have trouble dissolving. Doesn't have an overwhelming scent. Doesn't have too many suds. Good rinsing. Gets everything clean. It just gets the job done.
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| Post# 816808 , Reply# 255 3/31/2015 at 23:05 (3,303 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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I've never been more surprised in my life... At the power of a Liquid Detergent.
Tonight. I washed a load of Sheets drenched in pink lemonade, greasy (food) oil and pizza sauce. Best Part, it had a whole 3 days to sit in.
This load screamed Bleach, Bleach, Bleach. Literally. I would never in a million years, thought a liquid without any sort of oxygen would clean through this. It's Pizza Sauce, a Dye. And then there was the Lemonade... Another Food Dye. All Dried In.
And... with just one little Persil Pod, and no pretreating. All OF IT came out. I stood there, searching everywhere for a trace of the stain, and couldn't find any of it.
I can't say how shocked I am. This really is unbelievable for me. I've always considered Liquid Detergents to be middle/lower performers, but this stuff, takes the cake. It performs beautifully even without Oxiclean or STPP.
Time will only tell. But... I can't say.. I've ever been this excited/surprised before. These Persil Pods are really good. :)
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Post# 817001 , Reply# 257 4/1/2015 at 22:02 (3,302 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Few days ago I ran a small load of grungy white (and one pink) old bath towels used for car washing and such. Calypso, Normal cycle, Heavy soil level, with Soak option (16 mins lead-in to the wash period), approx 135°F input water. 2.5 tablespoons of the Persil powder with nothing added. These towels are old and a bit ragged but otherwise don't (normally) have any set stains. There were a few road-grime spots remaining somewhat noticeable on a couple of the towels but the results are otherwise good. Notably there's no lingering Persil scent. | ||
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Post# 817121 , Reply# 261 4/2/2015 at 17:59 (3,301 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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 I've started to see TV ads just this week. Judging from the reviews above, it sounds like Persil is well worth a try.
I've been using Gain HE powder (cheaper than Tide but I can only find it at Target) in the Affinity but the latest batch is very sudsy. I have a feeling the pearls would perform better.
I wonder if the "Neighborhood" WalMarts would carry Persil. I think those stores might not include the same level of low brow annoyances and aggravation that the big ones do. | ||
| Post# 817128 , Reply# 262 4/2/2015 at 18:19 (3,301 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Well.. To be clear. I don't eat in bed. I will say I did it a few times when I was much younger.. but, crumbs. Eh. It's hard not to make a mess. I will say, I will drink water typically in bed. And that's only because, I have a really really dry mouth most of the time, from side effects of medication.
Anyhow..
We were babysitting a youngster and had thought.. he was off to sleep. Nope. You can become distracted for 10 Minutes and have the biggest mess in the world on your hands. Now that I think about it... I should have washed them way before the stains had time to set. Although... I didn't want to until I had Bleach onhand.
If you wash something, and aren't able to put it into the dryer right away. You can end up with a nasty/possible mildewy mess. Better Idea would be not to offer to babysit but that's a story for another time ;) | ||
| Post# 817129 , Reply# 263 4/2/2015 at 18:23 (3,301 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Do they have a scent free and non allergic version out yet? Has anyone seen it yet? | ||
| Post# 817132 , Reply# 264 4/2/2015 at 18:52 (3,301 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Post# 817133 , Reply# 265 4/2/2015 at 19:10 (3,301 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Unless Changed For The American Market
Persil Sensitive in all formulations has scent, supposedly hypoallergenic and tested/recommended by physicians but none the less it contains perfumes.
Henkel to my knowledge does not offer an unscented version of Persil or any of their detergents in any market. Years ago now Persil Sensitive *was* unscented, but then some fool thought it would be a good idea to change things so there you are. Examined the ingredients in Persil Sensitive sold at Walmart and it does not contain protease but only amylase IIRC. Tide free and clear is actually quite good IMHO. It cleans very well in cold, cool and warm water as well as hot, and truly has no scent. I like it for dress shirts and other garments you don't want scented as it may clash with your perfume/cologne. It is also good for bed linens if you don't want to sleep on highly scented linens. | ||
| Post# 817194 , Reply# 266 4/3/2015 at 04:13 (3,300 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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I'll say this.. I used some Tide Free & Clear Pods, and loved them. Keep in mind... I was not using my HE Front Loader, but instead a (older, pre-2010) water guzzling top loader. Everything came out really clean (lightly soiled load of colors) and everything just smelled Very Fresh, and soft to the touch.
I do have the Tide Free & Clear Liquid. I've used it several times in our FL and have never been too impressed. That being said, I've never been impressed with anything cleaned in regular Tide Liquid in our front loader, so there's that.
I have two bags of Tide Free & Clear Pods. They were free after coupon, and I couldn't find Tide Powder without the dreaded new scent. Need to find a way to use them ;)
Laundress. I know you sometimes use Tide Liquid as a pre-soak. Now that Persil is so readily available, I'm curious would you use it over your Tide?
Also, is it just me? Or does Tide Clean Breeze smell differently? I recently.. pulled off a cap and almost gagged. It could just be me though, because... lately, I seem to me more sensitive to certain things.
I used to really like the smell of Clean Breeze. Too :/
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| Post# 817269 , Reply# 267 4/3/2015 at 13:14 (3,300 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I'm currently using All Free & Clear powdered as our daily driver. It cleans great and I am happy with it. If I use anything else (even Dreft) I itch like mad. I think it's the fragrances I am allergic to. I'd like to try some of the Persil Sensitive, but worry about having a reaction to it. | ||
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Post# 818051 , Reply# 272 4/8/2015 at 07:11 (3,295 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Pre-Soak
No, wouldn't use Persil (for the record have about ten or so boxes in my stash of modern plus those cases of vintage), but would continue to use Tide liquids.
Powdered detergents will settle out if doing a long soak in a tub. Liquids do not have that problem. Suppose if one was doing a pre-soak in the Miele or AEG it would be different. | ||
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Post# 818875 , Reply# 273 4/11/2015 at 22:00 (3,292 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yet Another Enterprising Way To Avoid Walmart | ||
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Post# 819291 , Reply# 275 4/14/2015 at 23:09 (3,289 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 819317 , Reply# 276 4/15/2015 at 04:03 (3,288 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 819367 , Reply# 277 4/15/2015 at 10:22 (3,288 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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I won't set foot in Walmart, but I will and did order a bottle of Persil pearls from walmart.com The Amazon price is outrageous, but less than what one used to pay at Miele retailers. | ||
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Post# 819405 , Reply# 280 4/15/2015 at 14:33 (3,288 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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I bought a bottle of the powder (pearls) original scent today, mom gave me a coupon last week so thought I'd try it. 50 load size was 11.97 and my coupon was for $1 off. I figured for 10.97 I'd splurge on the bigger size and get 15 loads more for only an extra $1.
She bought a box of the Persil pods but hasn't used them yet. I've give the powder a try this week and see how it goes. A little birdie told me this was mostly just Purex level performance in a prettier package. Another birdie told me the scent was too much for their nest. I guess we'll see. :-) | ||
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| Post# 819467 , Reply# 283 4/15/2015 at 22:37 (3,288 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Persil doesn't = Purex Just look at the ingredients. Purex honestly could be considered by some to just be as effective as plain old water.
Persil contains a strong Enzyme cocktail in all their variations. Not to mention, the Oxygen Bleaching system found in the Powder.
Their just not the same. Honestly I'd go as far to say it's Lemons to Oranges. It's no comparison. | ||
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Post# 819505 , Reply# 284 4/16/2015 at 07:17 (3,287 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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That's interesting about the Purex and Vernel softeners being the same.
I did one load with the new Persil last night in the '67 Kenmore washer. It was a pretty big load of dark cottons. Results seemed to be pretty good in my softened water. No suds and the rinse water was clear enough to pass. I didn't use fabric softener in this first run as I wanted to see if the clothes were left harsh feeling after drying, but I rarely use softener anyway. All in all, the cleaning was good and they seemed reasonably soft. The scent was strong going in to the machine, but after drying, it was barely perceptible. I thought it was a bit more fruity/citric smelling, more than I like in a detergent, but the end result was OK. While the results were good and the cleaning was satisfactory, I so have to say that the bottle left a lot to be desired. I'm sure hoping someone will get a verbal lashing for that debacle along the way. What looks to be the same bottle and cap shapes as the liquid turns out to be wholly inadequate for dispensing powder. Noticing this in the store, I removed the lid carefully at home in a vain effort to not spill the bouncy, rolling pearls. To no avail. The little pearls collect in the top rim of the bottle and the "drain" hole is too small for them to quickly fall back into the bottle. When attempting to pour the detergent into the cap, the pearls around the rim of the spout spill out and many don't make it into the cap, spilling onto the machine, floor etc. The cap itself has nearly invisible markings inside to indicate what "line" you're measuring to. I suppose this helps the overdosing desires of the manufacturer that sell more product. So far, I like the performance. I will likely pick up a bottle of the liquid at some point and give that a try as well. | ||
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Post# 819506 , Reply# 285 4/16/2015 at 07:19 (3,287 days old) by Gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 819694 , Reply# 291 4/17/2015 at 09:52 (3,286 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 819712 , Reply# 292 4/17/2015 at 10:48 (3,286 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 819723 , Reply# 293 4/17/2015 at 12:20 (3,286 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Clutch the Pearls I have a box of MegaPearls for colors that I got for free when I bought the W1918 almost 11 years ago. There is a little oval measuring cup in the box that works well, but I haven't used the MPFC more than a few times. If I have to wash something dark, I use the Cheer color guard liquid in 80F water. | ||
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| Post# 820007 , Reply# 297 4/19/2015 at 10:00 (3,284 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Funny It's a statistical fact that wealthy shoppers rave about the pampering they receive at upscale retailers like Neiman Marcus, Lord & Taylor and Barneys. But here’s a question to ponder: How often do wealthy shoppers actually shop in those stores? | ||
| Post# 820014 , Reply# 298 4/19/2015 at 10:54 (3,284 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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I recall an interview with the CEO of Big Lots who said that well over half their clientele is comfortably middle class or higher. And that a sizable minority (like 30%) was upper middle class or higher. | ||
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Post# 820018 , Reply# 299 4/19/2015 at 11:19 (3,284 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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I think it's more common than we would like to believe the well-heeled financially bestowed are more "common" in attitude than we think. Look at Warren Buffett. He still lives in his original "modest" 1950s house. I have friends who founded a very successful computer company and became multimillionares. Yes they did buy nice quality furnishings and such, but nothing outlandish. And they still shopped at Target, Walmart, and Kmart and clipped coupons and used mailbox coupons when they ordered pizza and the like. I have a friend whose father worked at Alcoa. Somehow, through investing, and frugal living, he amassed a fortune that he left as trust funds to make sure his grandchildren's college education would be taken care of. They lived in the same house for 30 years. In some ways I think we have a bit of distortion with "showy" celebritys and athletes. Yet at the same time, I personally believe all athletes who end up with multimilliondollar contracts, a financial advisor should come with the package. I have no sympathy for athletes or other famous individuals who end up frittering away their fortune and end up penniless. I read an article this week about former millionares who don't have a fortune any longer due to poor investing, overspending, and such. As Anderson Cooper's mother told him, "there is no trust fund". | ||
| Post# 820021 , Reply# 300 4/19/2015 at 12:03 (3,284 days old) by hoovermatic (UK) | ||
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Post# 820076 , Reply# 301 4/19/2015 at 19:47 (3,284 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 820116 , Reply# 302 4/20/2015 at 03:50 (3,283 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Has anyone tried that coupon that I posted? I printed my limit out and tried to check out, the guy didn't know how to run coupons and couldn't figure it out... I have to go back up there and try with someone else, but let me know if anyone else has issues with them... They are from Persil's proclean facebook page and it prints from walmart.com.
I've had other coupons that use the coupons.com plugin work. | ||
| Post# 820229 , Reply# 303 4/20/2015 at 22:17 (3,283 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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| Post# 820815 , Reply# 304 4/24/2015 at 20:33 (3,279 days old) by billiedyer1954 (Ohio, USA) | ||
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well, it has been a little over 2 months since I started this thread. it has been fun reading all of the replys. I still have not bought any persil. right now I am loving liquid tide h.e. original scent. | ||
| Post# 820848 , Reply# 305 4/25/2015 at 00:29 (3,279 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Curious.. Are we talking about the original "original scent"
Or the P&G "GoGoBoy Inspired Night with a touch of Sweet Bubble Gum Twist" Fragrance they replaced the original scent with?
Oy. I'm still trying to get over the latter. The old scent smelled so clean, so classic, iconic. It's sad to see the company's direction, and watching it slowly fail.
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Post# 820892 , Reply# 306 4/25/2015 at 12:34 (3,278 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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THIS JUST IN: Merriam-Webster has changed the definition of irony to "Person who started online conversation about Persil garnering nearly 10,000 views has yet to try said detergent."
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Post# 821063 , Reply# 308 4/26/2015 at 21:49 (3,277 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 821138 , Reply# 309 4/27/2015 at 12:14 (3,276 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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Persil liquid Bought persil liquid, only used half of a cap (says to use more for large he loads) and this is what happend.
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| Post# 821153 , Reply# 310 4/27/2015 at 13:17 (3,276 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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Post# 821172 , Reply# 313 4/27/2015 at 14:57 (3,276 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 821175 , Reply# 314 4/27/2015 at 15:57 (3,276 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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proclean Maybe I missed it but can someone please tell me the difference between persil proclean and proclean 2 in 1thank you | ||
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Post# 821233 , Reply# 317 4/28/2015 at 00:43 (3,276 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Comparing the ingredients of the Original liquid with the 2in1 version, the 2in1 has one extra ingredient "Trisodium Ethylendiamine Disuccinate" listed.
Seems it`s an additional builder - water softener. Should be great for hard water areas or when dealing with heavy soil, but I could also imagine it might produce more suds than the other versions. Their website states it`s the most powerful Persil detergent. I wonder what genius came up with that BS. I mean doesn`t everybody associat 2in1 with built in conditioner ? | ||
| Post# 821329 , Reply# 318 4/28/2015 at 17:07 (3,275 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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Post# 821354 , Reply# 322 4/28/2015 at 20:39 (3,275 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 821456 , Reply# 328 4/29/2015 at 15:38 (3,274 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Thanks for the definition. My machine has an Over sudsing light so I guess it would know when there are suds too. Don't know what it might do about it though. So I def think that if Persil is giving this condition in your machine then it is not the detergent you want to use.
Thanks again. | ||
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Post# 821469 , Reply# 329 4/29/2015 at 17:47 (3,274 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 821473 , Reply# 330 4/29/2015 at 18:20 (3,274 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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2-in-1 liquid
I've been using the 2-in-1 liquid for a few weeks and really like it. It's great as a pre-treater. Is low sudsing if dosed appropriately for load size and soil level. I'm using it in a front loader with an onboard heater, which makes a lot of liquids suds out of control. Our water is very soft, 0.5-1.0 grains.
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Post# 821482 , Reply# 332 4/29/2015 at 18:53 (3,274 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 821494 , Reply# 333 4/29/2015 at 22:00 (3,274 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Sudsing, and Not Five pairs of jeans with one casual shorts and a hand towel. 3-1/2 tbsp Persil powder, 2 tbsp STPP. Pic 1 is rotation/shower about 1 minute after recirculation began so the stream is sudsy/concentrated ... and weak because the pump isn't yet fully primed. Fresh-water fill is in progress/continuation at the left rear. Pic 2 is during nutation more than 5 mins into the wash period. Notice the recirculation stream is clear. | ||
| Post# 863188 , Reply# 334 1/21/2016 at 00:00 (3,008 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Was browsing the local grocery ad and saw 100oz persil for 11.88. Listed as a new product.
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| Post# 873144 , Reply# 335 3/18/2016 at 10:17 (2,950 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Persil Pro Clean is now available in the Canadian Wal-Mart, and also I saw it at the Jean Coutu Pharmacies. I didn't see the big 64 loads bottles, only the 25 loads. And no Power Pearls, only liquid. A few different versions, Original, Lavender, Cold Water... | ||
| Post# 1129546 , Reply# 336 9/25/2021 at 02:15 (933 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
Just bought one of these Intense Fresh Deep Clean kind from Walmart. Had been interested in Persil ever since I saw this video review of a Speed Queen set on YouTube. I've already done a few loads with it and so far, I'm impressed.
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Post# 1129615 , Reply# 337 9/26/2021 at 01:48 (933 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1129619 , Reply# 338 9/26/2021 at 02:00 (932 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Interesting that Persil Pro has "lavender fresh" in Canada, but not USA.
Haven't seen "active fresh scent booster" in local shops either. www.persilproclean.com/us... | ||
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Post# 1129827 , Reply# 340 9/28/2021 at 12:04 (930 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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