Thread Number: 58628
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whirlpool harvest gold Super Capacity w double duty super Surgilator |
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Post# 811841 , Reply# 1   3/1/2015 at 21:58 (3,314 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 811853 , Reply# 2   3/2/2015 at 00:33 (3,314 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 811862 , Reply# 3   3/2/2015 at 02:12 (3,314 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 811864 , Reply# 4   3/2/2015 at 02:15 (3,314 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 811867 , Reply# 5   3/2/2015 at 03:09 (3,314 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Hey Smoochies, your washer did not have the original (27 gallon) washbasket Super SURGILATOR agitator? The one that has the 'higher' straight/ wavy-vanes...
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Post# 811921 , Reply# 6   3/2/2015 at 09:34 (3,313 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 811926 , Reply# 7   3/2/2015 at 09:47 (3,313 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 811936 , Reply# 8   3/2/2015 at 11:29 (3,313 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)   |   | |
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yes it did come with the regular agitator in it the one that's in there now is just an extra double duty that I had laying around I will try reposting the videos again |
Post# 811956 , Reply# 9   3/2/2015 at 12:21 (3,313 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)   |   | |
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Post# 811966 , Reply# 10   3/2/2015 at 13:34 (3,313 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 811973 , Reply# 11   3/2/2015 at 13:51 (3,313 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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If I am correct, the original tall Super Surgilator needs a tall post transmission....to which, if this was from 1968, a Double Duty version would not fit.......
1978 is more closer to it, since they used the same trannies for both size tubs.....both large and exlarge capacity agitators would work, not to mention several from the Kenmore lineup... further more, the vids still don't work...get with the program.....wouldn't hurt to fill in your profile as well..... you can also start a collection page, and post all of your machines there to share with everyone...you can check out other members collections as well.... |
Post# 812114 , Reply# 15   3/3/2015 at 07:18 (3,313 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 812116 , Reply# 16   3/3/2015 at 07:26 (3,313 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Hey Smoochies, the video is still blocked and private. Just post the videos on YouTube and we can see them there. I'd like to download them to my computer... |
Post# 812117 , Reply# 17   3/3/2015 at 07:32 (3,313 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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John, what were the complaints? The Super SURGILATOR was not able to handle the 27 gallon washloads? |
Post# 812119 , Reply# 18   3/3/2015 at 07:44 (3,312 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Double-Duty Surgilator debuted on the LFA series for 1978 model year. I recall being a tad disappointed when neighbors got an LFA9800 and another neighboring family an LFA7800, both with the new-style agitator compared to our LDA7800. LDA7800W3 Tub & Basket LFA7800W0 Tub & Basket |
Post# 812122 , Reply# 19   3/3/2015 at 08:07 (3,312 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)   |   | |
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here's your inside shots you wanted of all three machines and the harvest gold with a regular agitator in it |
Post# 812139 , Reply# 20   3/3/2015 at 10:24 (3,312 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Okayyy, that's the regular Surgilator agitator for the standard size tub, not the 27 gallon washtub SURGILATOR. |
Post# 812142 , Reply# 21   3/3/2015 at 10:41 (3,312 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Smoochies, is this your surgilator, the first one? Check out the previous pic of the agitator closer, the upper straight vanes 'flare out' and 'extend higher' on the other SURGILATOR.
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Post# 812200 , Reply# 22   3/3/2015 at 19:40 (3,312 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Those are very nice videos Smoochies. Now you need the 27 gallon Super SURGILATOR agitator...THESE high vanes will really 'swish and slosh' the laundry back and forth then pull it down with force. Thanks for the videos, keep'em coming... |
Post# 812253 , Reply# 23   3/4/2015 at 06:50 (3,312 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Thank You Glen, you are correct the Double Duty Surglator did come out in the LFA Super Capacity models, I was incorrect when I said it did not appear till the 1980 LHA models.
Hi Harry, there was only one agitator for WP 27 gallon washers that had bigger fins, it was the black Bakelite agitator used in the orignal 27 gallon machines which either came out in 67 or 8 and by 1970 was changed to a regular SS agitator that had the same fin area only the post was higher. |
Post# 812258 , Reply# 24   3/4/2015 at 07:59 (3,311 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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John, this is whats puzzling me.....
when did they change to the short post tubs?....this is a pic of my 79 digital machine....and the 83 Whirlpool has the same one for one thing, I was finding out that the DoubleDuty agitator would fit both capacities, large and exlarge..... AND, standard capacity agitators, like Kenmores RotoSwirl would fit the exlarge capacity tub..... I thought the change to the tub and all of them using the same tranny for both sizes was around 1975... in that gold machine, he must be using a 4 port pump to power that waterfall filter, a bit too powerful.....wonder if a restrictor could be used to tone it down some...
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Post# 812280 , Reply# 26   3/4/2015 at 10:38 (3,311 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Smoochies, can you make a video of your gold LDA-7800 Whirlpool Double-Duty Super Surgilator agitator 'surgilating' an extra large load? And, what do you think of the other posts? |
Post# 812291 , Reply# 27   3/4/2015 at 12:01 (3,311 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 812498 , Reply# 28   3/5/2015 at 22:10 (3,310 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Martin -
To answer your question to John, the centerpost was shortened 5 or 6 inches in very early 1978, maybe even on 1/1/78. This involved 24-inch machines, 29-inch standard capacity, AND 29-inch large capacity models such that they all continued to use the same length spin tubes. This change did not effect the transmission shafts or the agitators. A length change that did though happened on the large capacity +- 27 gallon models in late 1973, which also changed the centerpost height. Prior to this, these large cap. machines had their own centerpost length, their own spin tube length, and their own agitators. Kenmore had been using a large Super Roto-Swirl for several years, and WP used the S Surgilator, which as John said just had a lengthened centerpost, I don't think it was much different in lower skirt or fin area, etc. This change shortened the agitator shaft to be common with the standard capacity models, thus the same gearcases could be used in all models, and therefore all the agitators in use at the time became interchangeable. In total, the 27-gallon large capacity machines had three centerpost and spin tube lengths during their production: Version 1, the tallest from 1967-1973, which started with the whopper black bakelite agitators and later the big Roto-Swirl, and tall but otherwise the same Super Surgilator. Version 2, which dimensionally matched standard capacity models from late 1973 to 1978. The centerpost, spin tube, and gearcase shaft of the large machines were all shortened to match then current production standard machines. This was when the Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl were developed, and when WP started using the standard-looking Super Surgilator in their big capacity machines. Version 3, in which the centerpost and spin tube was shortened 5 more inches from 1978 to summer 1981. This change was strictly "under agitator" and nobody could see this unless you pull the agitator, and no new agitators were developed due to this change. These machines are immediately obvious when the agitator is removed as much of the agitator shaft, that is covered in the older models, is now exposed. The 27-gallon sized machine ended production in summer 1981 in favor of the 22-gallon "Energy Efficient" belt-drive. These again used the same centerposts, basket drives, and transmissions with the standard machines, and even the same baseplates this time. Clear as mud? Gordon |
Post# 812552 , Reply# 29   3/6/2015 at 08:46 (3,309 days old) by YoGiTuNeS (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Thanks Gordon......
this explains a lot......and clearly at that.....I couldn't remember exactly what year they started with the short center post to match all machine to use one style of spin tubes and agitators, no matter what tub was inserted into the machine... as we talked before over the agitators that would fit either capacity tubs.....this only added to our fun of interchanging them for different effects of wash patterns...basically all you need is one machine to try out different ones...small or large.... just always found the Surgilator would handle large loads with ease...when it came to Kenmores, no matter what agitator, seemed to work best at 2/3 or less of its capacity...mainly because their vanes were at the bottom only.....until the Dual Action came out.....Surprised they didn't combine the base of a 6 vane RotoFlex, with the Spirals of a DA |
Post# 812698 , Reply# 32   3/7/2015 at 08:43 (3,308 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)   |   | |
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Surgilator, super surgilator, double duty super surgilator agitator! !! |
Post# 812729 , Reply# 33   3/7/2015 at 13:57 (3,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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To be precise however, both the agitator on the left AND the center agitator were called by Whirlpool "Super Surgilator".
The original Super Surg. debuted in 1968, approximately, when Whirlpool first changed this agitator over to polypropylene from bakelite, for use in standard capacity machines. The term "super" was added because the agitator was modified in the area around the fins, as they were curled and extended over the agitator's skirt, which can be seen in a number of pictures in this thread. The first of these agitators for a year or two were powder blue in color vs. the later white, but every machine with a blue/white or chrome cap with this new plastic agitator said "Super Surgilator" on it, and this did not have anything to do with the 18lb. machine. The standard Surgilator name belongs to the black bakelite version, which does not have the extended fins. Gordon |
Post# 812745 , Reply# 35   3/7/2015 at 18:11 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Please make a video using the 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR doing a load in the 27 gallon LDA washer also. I want a LDA washer in place of my DD Whirlpool Gold. |
Post# 812746 , Reply# 36   3/7/2015 at 18:14 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 812756 , Reply# 37   3/7/2015 at 19:06 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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The taller spline Surgilator used in the 27 gallon tubs is designed like the first or front agitator in the pic. Smoochies, you replaced your original Super SURGILATOR agitator because I see one of the wavy vane is broken. |
Post# 812782 , Reply# 40   3/7/2015 at 23:48 (3,308 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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What is the buzzing that I hear in some of the videos right after the fill for the rinse completes before the motor starts? It doesn't happen all the time, and is of random duration, sometimes lasting 2 seconds. It is also preceded by a pause of random duration whenever it occurs, otherwise the motor starts as soon as the fill valve shuts off. Is this arcing in the timer due to a contact going bad? See the 22:15 mark of the video linked below... buzzing starts at 22:35.
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Post# 812785 , Reply# 41   3/8/2015 at 00:32 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Looking forward and again thanks for taking the time to make the videos. BTW, could a 4 port pump be used in a LDA washer? |
Post# 812792 , Reply# 42   3/8/2015 at 04:30 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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the reason for different agitation speeds is not the motor loosing power, its the belt wearing down, as it does, it rides more towards the center of the pulley, and theres the slight difference you notice of it slowing down....
when a new belt is first put on, you will see an increase in wash action..... I like to replace the belts with a 5/8" wide belt, causes the machine to have a bit more kick as it rides the outter edge of the pulleys...it will increase the spin speed some also... |
Post# 812797 , Reply# 43   3/8/2015 at 04:51 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 812798 , Reply# 44   3/8/2015 at 04:52 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 812847 , Reply# 47   3/8/2015 at 14:02 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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first I switched out the pulley to a 2 1/2"....got it at a Garden Tractor Supply place....and used the regular belt.....waaaaaay too powerful, especially for a Surgilator......bottom finned Kenmores versions worked better.....
the best pulley is the 2 1/4"......a nice wash movement, without going overboard.....again, same original belt..... then went back to the original pulley, but purchased a 5/8" belt.....this seemed to work best, it rides on the outter edges of the pulleys....and adds just enough kick, which I always felt these needed...without over straining anything....this gave a happy medium for me....still running, so I can't say its done any major damage yet... with the first two pulleys, you will have a WOO WOO sound!... think too, bigger pulley also makes the pump really pump out water, it will make that hose jump out of the sink.... |
Post# 812857 , Reply# 49   3/8/2015 at 15:26 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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if you think that's cool....you should see the Turbocharged Maytag.....and I have Ben to thank for that one, again, just needed some extra kick, the spin in super nice...
although those Whirlys are fun, something to consider is a spinner, or a twintub, for the spinner option, you will be amazed at how much more water you will extract from clothes...Whirl/Kens only spun around 550 or so.... even before with the Maytag, amazing how much more water was extracted from just a second spin with the normal set up.....now I get those results from one spin... I am waaaaaay down South, in Bridgeton....seems like I am almost alone down here.....most of our Jersey members are up North from your area.... kudos to Ben for the machine setup and outstanding vids.... |
Post# 812947 , Reply# 51   3/8/2015 at 20:51 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 812949 , Reply# 52   3/8/2015 at 20:55 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 812968 , Reply# 55   3/8/2015 at 23:39 (3,307 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Okay Smoochies, always grateful...loving the videos, especially the the full action ones. |
Post# 813002 , Reply# 58   3/9/2015 at 07:17 (3,307 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)   |   | |
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Great thread! Didn't realize you could amp up the speeds on those machines. Now they can really stir things up. I am also amazed by that "turbocharged MT" Martin. |
Post# 813776 , Reply# 62   3/13/2015 at 10:35 (3,302 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)   |   | |
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Insane surgilaton CLICK HERE TO GO TO smoochies189's LINK |
Post# 813850 , Reply# 63   3/13/2015 at 18:51 (3,302 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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is that the 2.5 or the 2.25?.....
have you tried Gentle Speed?.....with the 2.5, Gentle speed for you would equal Normal speed for everyone else... nice vid, you should have thrown a few towels in there...... but your right, that is serious Surgilation! not to mention, whats the pump out like? someone is having some newly discovered fun...... |
Post# 813927 , Reply# 65   3/14/2015 at 11:17 (3,301 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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the only way we find out is to experiment....some work, some don't....but we have fun along the way....
just thinking outside the box!..... try some of the Kenmore agitators in there as well....some may surprise you.... Mark/Akronman did a trick with a piece from a Rubbermaid container, directing the water spray to hit more of the clothes....especially for the spin spray... got to love his Mark XII washer.....and especially that magic mix dispenser filter CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK |
Post# 813975 , Reply# 66   3/14/2015 at 18:12 (3,301 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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oh, the chance to be there, and see your face, once you installed these pulleys or belts....
and then turned that machine on.....STAND BACK!!! some say that I am a bad influence.....wonder where that came from? evil scientist...or Wile E. Coyote...super 'surgilator' genious...lol...... mental more like it..... |
Post# 814007 , Reply# 67   3/14/2015 at 22:42 (3,301 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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I vote for super suurgilator genious, especially for the extra fast spin...there isn't anything that can be done to stabilize the violent shaking from the spins? |
Post# 814013 , Reply# 68   3/14/2015 at 23:56 (3,301 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Smoochies, you're not making full (wash-rinse & final spin) videos anymore?...with the new 5/8" belt and 75 OPM...and, did you see my post about your 1983 Whirlpool tan LA5580 using the 18 lbs. Super SURGILATOR and the new belt? |