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Post# 811831   3/1/2015 at 21:22 (3,314 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

my 1968 harvest gold whirlpool Super Capacity 18 pound washer with a double duty super Surga later agitator. it came with the original surgilator but I had an extra double duty lying around so decided change it out to see how it would work. When I got this machine I had to totally restore mechanically working under it. The magic clean lint filter could not be saved and I could not find another one so I found parts Emmanuel filter on it. Not exactly what I wanted to do but I wanted to make it as operational as possible so had to make a few minor changes. Also previous owner destroy timer dial which took me forever to find a new one. After 11 years of searching I recently found one Thank God told electors!

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Post# 811841 , Reply# 1   3/1/2015 at 21:58 (3,314 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA)        

Youtube says this video is a duplicate of a previous one.

Post# 811853 , Reply# 2   3/2/2015 at 00:33 (3,314 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
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Post# 811862 , Reply# 3   3/2/2015 at 02:12 (3,314 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I guess the video you wanted to show is among these: 



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Post# 811864 , Reply# 4   3/2/2015 at 02:15 (3,314 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Oh, and BTW, I'd like to see the machine's control panel! Can you post pictures of it?


Post# 811867 , Reply# 5   3/2/2015 at 03:09 (3,314 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey Smoochies, your washer did not have the original (27 gallon) washbasket Super SURGILATOR agitator? The one that has the 'higher' straight/ wavy-vanes...

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Post# 811921 , Reply# 6   3/2/2015 at 09:34 (3,313 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WP Belt Drive Washer

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That is not a 1968 WP washer but much closer to a 1978 or newer. Give us a Model # and we can give better advice.


Post# 811926 , Reply# 7   3/2/2015 at 09:47 (3,313 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Multiple Machines?

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Looks like spinning videos of several different machines...

Malcolm


Post# 811936 , Reply# 8   3/2/2015 at 11:29 (3,313 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

yes it did come with the regular agitator in it the one that's in there now is just an extra double duty that I had laying around I will try reposting the videos again

Post# 811956 , Reply# 9   3/2/2015 at 12:21 (3,313 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        



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Post# 811966 , Reply# 10   3/2/2015 at 13:34 (3,313 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Photo 1, harvest machine, is an LDA series, 1976-1977.  Model tag pic doesn't show the serial number, which will date it to the year and week of manufacture.



Post# 811973 , Reply# 11   3/2/2015 at 13:51 (3,313 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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If I am correct, the original tall Super Surgilator needs a tall post transmission....to which, if this was from 1968, a Double Duty version would not fit.......

1978 is more closer to it, since they used the same trannies for both size tubs.....both large and exlarge capacity agitators would work, not to mention several from the Kenmore lineup...

further more, the vids still don't work...get with the program.....wouldn't hurt to fill in your profile as well.....

you can also start a collection page, and post all of your machines there to share with everyone...you can check out other members collections as well....


Post# 812046 , Reply# 12   3/2/2015 at 20:50 (3,313 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

I'll switch the agitator out and show you that it does work. And it does have the long post and shaft.the second link I posted of the machine running seems to work fine for me. But I'm also doing all this on a smartphone.

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Post# 812060 , Reply# 13   3/2/2015 at 22:08 (3,313 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
It's a LDA!!!

Hey Smoochies, why don't you have any 'money shots'---agitator in tub? Or, any pics of the agitators, the fun factors. Also, your video is 'private', I could not look at it. And last, please make some videos with the original Super SURGILATOR agitator, the high/long straight vanes seem to make a difference in the design oppose to the standard Surgilator agitator. Those vanes look like they give the extra large and large loads a thrashing. They're no videos of the LDA original SURGILATOR in action ANYWHERE!!!

Post# 812108 , Reply# 14   3/3/2015 at 06:35 (3,313 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

I've checked my YouTube settings I don't know how many times now I can understand why its not playing. Worse comes to worse I'll have to do another video then try it again. It's the harvest gold doing a medium load. And I'll switch out that agitator so you can see it but the original.

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Post# 812114 , Reply# 15   3/3/2015 at 07:18 (3,313 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Late 70s WP Washer Agitators

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Are ALL the same on ALL full sized washers in the WP LDA and LFA models.

 

When we were selling these machines new we got a few complaints about washing performance in the 27 gallon machines, this is why WP came out with the Double-Duty-Super-Surglitor for the LHA 1980 machines.


Post# 812116 , Reply# 16   3/3/2015 at 07:26 (3,313 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey Smoochies, the video is still blocked and private. Just post the videos on YouTube and we can see them there. I'd like to download them to my computer...

Post# 812117 , Reply# 17   3/3/2015 at 07:32 (3,313 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

John, what were the complaints? The Super SURGILATOR was not able to handle the 27 gallon washloads?

Post# 812119 , Reply# 18   3/3/2015 at 07:44 (3,312 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Double-Duty Surgilator debuted on the LFA series for 1978 model year.  I recall being a tad disappointed when neighbors got an LFA9800 and another neighboring family an LFA7800, both with the new-style agitator compared to our LDA7800.

LDA7800W3 Tub & Basket

LFA7800W0 Tub & Basket


Post# 812122 , Reply# 19   3/3/2015 at 08:07 (3,312 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

here's your inside shots you wanted of all three machines and the harvest gold with a regular agitator in it

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Post# 812139 , Reply# 20   3/3/2015 at 10:24 (3,312 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Okayyy, that's the regular Surgilator agitator for the standard size tub, not the 27 gallon washtub SURGILATOR.


Post# 812142 , Reply# 21   3/3/2015 at 10:41 (3,312 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Smoochies, is this your surgilator, the first one? Check out the previous pic of the agitator closer, the upper straight vanes 'flare out' and 'extend higher' on the other SURGILATOR.

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Post# 812200 , Reply# 22   3/3/2015 at 19:40 (3,312 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
AWESOME

Those are very nice videos Smoochies. Now you need the 27 gallon Super SURGILATOR agitator...THESE high vanes will really 'swish and slosh' the laundry back and forth then pull it down with force. Thanks for the videos, keep'em coming...

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Post# 812253 , Reply# 23   3/4/2015 at 06:50 (3,312 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Late 70s WP Washer Agitators

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Thank You Glen, you are correct the Double Duty Surglator did come out in the LFA Super Capacity models, I was incorrect when I said it did not appear till the 1980 LHA models.

 

Hi Harry, there was only one agitator for WP 27 gallon washers that had bigger fins, it was the black Bakelite agitator used in the orignal 27 gallon machines which either came out in 67 or 8 and by 1970 was changed to a regular SS agitator that had the same fin area only the post was higher.


Post# 812258 , Reply# 24   3/4/2015 at 07:59 (3,311 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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John, this is whats puzzling me.....

when did they change to the short post tubs?....this is a pic of my 79 digital machine....and the 83 Whirlpool has the same one

for one thing, I was finding out that the DoubleDuty agitator would fit both capacities, large and exlarge.....

AND, standard capacity agitators, like Kenmores RotoSwirl would fit the exlarge capacity tub.....

I thought the change to the tub and all of them using the same tranny for both sizes was around 1975...

in that gold machine, he must be using a 4 port pump to power that waterfall filter, a bit too powerful.....wonder if a restrictor could be used to tone it down some...



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Post# 812275 , Reply# 25   3/4/2015 at 09:53 (3,311 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey John and Yogi, John I do remember that the 1968 black Bakelite agitator was the real original surgilator...I meant original for the design...when was this (pics) Super SURGILATOR introduced and put in the 27 gallon washtubs?
And, I thought that this agitator would be in Smoochies LDA-7800 washer not, the standard size one...I mean it is different, not a big difference...the (upper) long flared straight vanes enhances the agitation for extra large loads right...better than the standard one, it seems


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Post# 812280 , Reply# 26   3/4/2015 at 10:38 (3,311 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
SURGILATING

Smoochies, can you make a video of your gold LDA-7800 Whirlpool Double-Duty Super Surgilator agitator 'surgilating' an extra large load? And, what do you think of the other posts?

Post# 812291 , Reply# 27   3/4/2015 at 12:01 (3,311 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
Harvest gold whirlpool washer

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It would also be nice to see a close up picture of the dial 1 and also a video of your harvest gold washer going true a full cycle frommain wash to final spin

Post# 812498 , Reply# 28   3/5/2015 at 22:10 (3,310 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Martin's question about the centerpost height

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Martin -

To answer your question to John, the centerpost was shortened 5 or 6 inches in very early 1978, maybe even on 1/1/78. This involved 24-inch machines, 29-inch standard capacity, AND 29-inch large capacity models such that they all continued to use the same length spin tubes.

This change did not effect the transmission shafts or the agitators. A length change that did though happened on the large capacity +- 27 gallon models in late 1973, which also changed the centerpost height. Prior to this, these large cap. machines had their own centerpost length, their own spin tube length, and their own agitators. Kenmore had been using a large Super Roto-Swirl for several years, and WP used the S Surgilator, which as John said just had a lengthened centerpost, I don't think it was much different in lower skirt or fin area, etc. This change shortened the agitator shaft to be common with the standard capacity models, thus the same gearcases could be used in all models, and therefore all the agitators in use at the time became interchangeable.

In total, the 27-gallon large capacity machines had three centerpost and spin tube lengths during their production:

Version 1, the tallest from 1967-1973, which started with the whopper black bakelite agitators and later the big Roto-Swirl, and tall but otherwise the same Super Surgilator.

Version 2, which dimensionally matched standard capacity models from late 1973 to 1978. The centerpost, spin tube, and gearcase shaft of the large machines were all shortened to match then current production standard machines. This was when the Penta-Vane and Penta-Swirl were developed, and when WP started using the standard-looking Super Surgilator in their big capacity machines.

Version 3, in which the centerpost and spin tube was shortened 5 more inches from 1978 to summer 1981. This change was strictly "under agitator" and nobody could see this unless you pull the agitator, and no new agitators were developed due to this change. These machines are immediately obvious when the agitator is removed as much of the agitator shaft, that is covered in the older models, is now exposed.

The 27-gallon sized machine ended production in summer 1981 in favor of the 22-gallon "Energy Efficient" belt-drive. These again used the same centerposts, basket drives, and transmissions with the standard machines, and even the same baseplates this time.

Clear as mud?

Gordon



Post# 812552 , Reply# 29   3/6/2015 at 08:46 (3,309 days old) by YoGiTuNeS (New Jersey)        

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Thanks Gordon......

this explains a lot......and clearly at that.....I couldn't remember exactly what year they started with the short center post to match all machine to use one style of spin tubes and agitators, no matter what tub was inserted into the machine...

as we talked before over the agitators that would fit either capacity tubs.....this only added to our fun of interchanging them for different effects of wash patterns...basically all you need is one machine to try out different ones...small or large....

just always found the Surgilator would handle large loads with ease...when it came to Kenmores, no matter what agitator, seemed to work best at 2/3 or less of its capacity...mainly because their vanes were at the bottom only.....until the Dual Action came out.....Surprised they didn't combine the base of a 6 vane RotoFlex, with the Spirals of a DA


Post# 812668 , Reply# 30   3/6/2015 at 21:57 (3,309 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

ok,
I found my original surgilator and remember why I don't use it anymore because the gasket bolted to the shaft dry rotted and crumbled away to dust. besides the fact that I also did not find the cleaning action to be all that fantastic. especially with a full size load. but I will rig something up to seal the agitator so I can do one last load with it to make everyone happy.

My personal preference for that machine is the double duty Surga later only because of the tremendous wash action it gives with its extended fins and the extreme size of the tub / basket. with the double duty agitator you get a hell of a lot more action and a much more violent swish doing wash and rinse. I don't really remember the washing action of the original agitator being anything to rant and rave about unless you did a large load and not an extra large load.
And this machine does have 83 port pump and not a 4 port pump since I could not find a new magic clean filter to replace the old one. I tried to clean it with some chemicals but to no avail. when the machine would rain it would use almost all of the 4 minutes and they would still be water in the bottom of the basket when it would start to spend so needless to say the draining action sucked! and I could not find a new magic clean filter system for the washer, and had to modify it a little bit by finding a new tub ring with a filter and change it over to a 3 port pump.

I just ordered roto swirl agitator for it from a website called best bids and they also had penta swirl that I will be acquiring as soon as it is available again. unfortunately it was out of stock otherwise I would have bought it too.

I will do a video tomorrow with the original agitator in the machine so keep your eyes posted and look for it.

As for my thoughts on all of the posts, seems like we got a good can worms going here which is pretty cool. I hope everybody enjoyed the pictures and unfortunately me being the way that I am back when I got that machine I really did not want to do to it what I did by modifying its original features but sometimes in order to get what you want you have to do what you need.

I have put that machine through hell and back and it never gives me any trouble at all. I do have a direct drive Roper that you can see in the pictures that I posted and if you notice it is not hooked up. why you ask?!
Because it is a shred more! that machine has ruined more clothes on my wife than any other machine in the history of any washing machine built and I'll go on record for saying that! as far as the wife goes, she loves the harvest gold machine maybe more than I do but that's why I keep the double duty in that so she can do herungodly large loads which I'm always complaining about!

I'm always stressing to her not to overload the washing machine!


Post# 812682 , Reply# 31   3/7/2015 at 01:23 (3,309 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
AWESOME

Hey Smoochies, I really appreciate you taking the time to make the video and I hope it'll be video(s)---(CHEESY SMILE) because there aren't any videos of this agitator in ACTION. When I look at your video of the standard size Super Surgilator agitator washing the load of sheets on the ex.large setting, I was really surprised and very impressed with how it pull the load down into the tub from the top of the load without any vanes. I imagined the original Super SURGILATOR (straight vanes) would work that forcefully. Have you ever thought of using the original Super SURGILATOR in the smaller tub Whirlpool's to see how it works a load with less tub space? Like Pierre said, hopefully you can make full cycle wash-to-final spin videos of EX LARGE, LARGE, MEDIUM and EX SMALL load sizes in the 27 gallon tub.
And, that's why I don't use my Whirlpool Gold 'shredmore' anymore.


Post# 812698 , Reply# 32   3/7/2015 at 08:43 (3,308 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

Surgilator, super surgilator, double duty super surgilator agitator! !!

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Post# 812729 , Reply# 33   3/7/2015 at 13:57 (3,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Great pic!

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To be precise however, both the agitator on the left AND the center agitator were called by Whirlpool "Super Surgilator".

The original Super Surg. debuted in 1968, approximately, when Whirlpool first changed this agitator over to polypropylene from bakelite, for use in standard capacity machines. The term "super" was added because the agitator was modified in the area around the fins, as they were curled and extended over the agitator's skirt, which can be seen in a number of pictures in this thread. The first of these agitators for a year or two were powder blue in color vs. the later white, but every machine with a blue/white or chrome cap with this new plastic agitator said "Super Surgilator" on it, and this did not have anything to do with the 18lb. machine.

The standard Surgilator name belongs to the black bakelite version, which does not have the extended fins.

Gordon


Post# 812741 , Reply# 34   3/7/2015 at 17:13 (3,308 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

I`m uploading a video now of the 18 in a standard size machine,also a troubled load of a nasty outside rug which clogged the pump,it`s no suds lock but a genuine clog of the pump.had to stop and fix in middle of filming!!but fun to do.

when is some Kenmore folks going to do some vids!!not clips,,vids!!


Post# 812745 , Reply# 35   3/7/2015 at 18:11 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
Awesome video

Please make a video using the 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR doing a load in the 27 gallon LDA washer also. I want a LDA washer in place of my DD Whirlpool Gold.

Post# 812746 , Reply# 36   3/7/2015 at 18:14 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I thought the original agitator for the 18 lb machine was taller than the rest....

the ones in the pic all look the same height....


Post# 812756 , Reply# 37   3/7/2015 at 19:06 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The taller spline Surgilator used in the 27 gallon tubs is designed like the first or front agitator in the pic.
Smoochies, you replaced your original Super SURGILATOR agitator because I see one of the wavy vane is broken.


Post# 812767 , Reply# 38   3/7/2015 at 21:12 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Smoochies, your 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR agitator is not going to work at it's absolute best because of the broken vane. The rollover is not going to be smooth and consistent, the laundry will get snagged and bunch up. It's going to be a hindrance more than anything. It looks PRETTY AWESOME to me but, you can't get the best wash action from it with that broken vane...maybe someone will donate a spare or you can buy one from a parts store. I'll search around for you.

Post# 812774 , Reply# 39   3/7/2015 at 22:03 (3,308 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

chip was in agiator when I bought it 13 yrs ago.i just like the double duty much more.the original had to be put on different with a nut tightening it down throught the cap and the whirlpool logo was a snap on top.there was a gasket that sat on the original pst that was slightly longer and it wouldn`t snug up and wasn`t sure if it would cause water to get over the shaft.rather be safe than sorry.

but no biggie,the double is my favorite anyway.much more violent!!been wondering if motors are in need of rebuild,62 strokes per min on harvest gole,tan 61 and white 66 per min.any thought`s on that anyone??

saw a vid that was a straight up tease this afternoon of a Kenmore with a surgilator in it,looked like a bakelite agitator only 40 seconds long.looked like an awesome machine and that`s what got me wondering about the motor being a little tired.but from memories as a kid still pretty much on par seems like no 2 whirlpools or kenmores are alike.anyone else have that feeling 2??

just seems like they could all be made on the same assembley line and no 2 work or sound just alike,all 3 of the machines I have all sound different and the 2 white and tan one are the same modellda5800 I believe and same yr!!

check the 2 new videos out I just posted on youtube.someone is sure to enjoy the rug being destroyed!!made more of a mees than anything,especially sense I had to do a minor fix after the pump clogged up after the first wash,in the spin,it`s no suds lock but the pump clogging.did provide me some excitement though.hope everyone enjoy`s.will be doing a few more and with different cycles.second vid has a little of gentle wash and spin in it!!



Post# 812782 , Reply# 40   3/7/2015 at 23:48 (3,308 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)        

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What is the buzzing that I hear in some of the videos right after the fill for the rinse completes before the motor starts? It doesn't happen all the time, and is of random duration, sometimes lasting 2 seconds. It is also preceded by a pause of random duration whenever it occurs, otherwise the motor starts as soon as the fill valve shuts off. Is this arcing in the timer due to a contact going bad? See the 22:15 mark of the video linked below... buzzing starts at 22:35.



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Post# 812785 , Reply# 41   3/8/2015 at 00:32 (3,308 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Looking forward and again thanks for taking the time to make the videos. BTW, could a 4 port pump be used in a LDA washer?

Post# 812792 , Reply# 42   3/8/2015 at 04:30 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the reason for different agitation speeds is not the motor loosing power, its the belt wearing down, as it does, it rides more towards the center of the pulley, and theres the slight difference you notice of it slowing down....

when a new belt is first put on, you will see an increase in wash action.....

I like to replace the belts with a 5/8" wide belt, causes the machine to have a bit more kick as it rides the outter edge of the pulleys...it will increase the spin speed some also...


Post# 812797 , Reply# 43   3/8/2015 at 04:51 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Gentle speed on this machine is close to normal on others....watch at :35 when it is switched to Normal speed....






Post# 812798 , Reply# 44   3/8/2015 at 04:52 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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kicks up the spin as well......







Post# 812834 , Reply# 45   3/8/2015 at 12:06 (3,307 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        
fast agitating Kenmore

is the speed of this machine picked up by just adding the thicker belt? Meaning that you can more videos? If so that's a pretty rad trick! But I'm wondering just how much extra wear and tear that educating speed is putting on the transmission? Anyone have any thoughts on that? I know those old belt drive transmissions are tanks but there has to be a threshold.

Post# 812837 , Reply# 46   3/8/2015 at 12:54 (3,307 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        
belt thickness

I'm going to try that belt trickjust for fun and see what kind of results I get and was curious, which Pulley did you change,the drive pulley on the motor or the tray yogi.I have an extra transmission assembly laying around so I figure I give it a shot. also where did you get pulley from,auto parts or another machine??and what kind of results can I expect with a 58 inch belt?

Post# 812847 , Reply# 47   3/8/2015 at 14:02 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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first I switched out the pulley to a 2 1/2"....got it at a Garden Tractor Supply place....and used the regular belt.....waaaaaay too powerful, especially for a Surgilator......bottom finned Kenmores versions worked better.....

the best pulley is the 2 1/4"......a nice wash movement, without going overboard.....again, same original belt.....

then went back to the original pulley, but purchased a 5/8" belt.....this seemed to work best, it rides on the outter edges of the pulleys....and adds just enough kick, which I always felt these needed...without over straining anything....this gave a happy medium for me....still running, so I can't say its done any major damage yet...

with the first two pulleys, you will have a WOO WOO sound!...

think too, bigger pulley also makes the pump really pump out water, it will make that hose jump out of the sink....


Post# 812854 , Reply# 48   3/8/2015 at 14:49 (3,307 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

good deal I just went and bought 5/8 inch belt and are going to check it out to see what kind of results I get. thanks for the extra bit of info to knowing that the much larger pulley will put a lot of swish with a surgilator and I don't want to overdo it but just get a little bit more out of it. the larger pulley I would almost bet would make one hell of a difference in the harvest gold with the rather large basket.

But if that's the case then I will just put a bigger pulley on that machine and the thicker belts on the other two! I really want to thank you for somebody who's wanted to try something like that but didn't exactly know how to go about doing it and being that you did it this super awesome and nice to have someone who will share some knowledge with those of us that like to exchange information! it would be kind of awesome though to see a surgilator destroy something that I don't need anymore and say 90 swashes per minute, lol! Its good I have a tractor supply place right down the road in Fort Pierce so I guess I can head down there and pick up a two and a quarter inch pulley just for SNG's!

I'm originally from Hackensack New Jersey, where are you located and my wife is from Buffalo New York.

I'll put another post up soon as I'm done changing the belt! and thanks again!


Post# 812857 , Reply# 49   3/8/2015 at 15:26 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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if you think that's cool....you should see the Turbocharged Maytag.....and I have Ben to thank for that one, again, just needed some extra kick, the spin in super nice...

although those Whirlys are fun, something to consider is a spinner, or a twintub, for the spinner option, you will be amazed at how much more water you will extract from clothes...Whirl/Kens only spun around 550 or so....

even before with the Maytag, amazing how much more water was extracted from just a second spin with the normal set up.....now I get those results from one spin...

I am waaaaaay down South, in Bridgeton....seems like I am almost alone down here.....most of our Jersey members are up North from your area....


kudos to Ben for the machine setup and outstanding vids....






Post# 812942 , Reply# 50   3/8/2015 at 20:37 (3,307 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

ok yogi,
Here are the results!
71 strokes per minute!!!

Was a super awesome spin to it now! and posting two videos right now showing the results check them out! by the way that Maytag is awesome! I did a Google search for a 50 Hertz pully set up but didn't get any results. Any suggestions?


Post# 812947 , Reply# 51   3/8/2015 at 20:51 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I think I have part numbers here somewhere if you needed them....

its a motor pulley and belt conversion......


theres a pulley conversion too for the pump, for installations that require a higher pump out rate....


Post# 812949 , Reply# 52   3/8/2015 at 20:55 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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someones a Happy Camper......nice little extra kick to it.....glad you changed it?

wait until you put the DoubleDuty in there....this is the way they should have always been....







Post# 812953 , Reply# 53   3/8/2015 at 21:56 (3,307 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
WOW!!!

Wow Yogi, really wow, I don't recall you ever sharing this fantastic news about extra washing and spinning speed increases for Whirlpool and Kenmore washers. I loved the Kenmore and Whirlpool BD's but hated those very slow (515 RPM spins)...first learned about this from 'Combo52' John, who created a 'hi-breed' 1971 Lady Kenmore washer buy changing the drive pulley that amped the spin speed up to approximately 720 RPM...agitating speeds remained the same at 68 OPM...he also installed a 68' 27 gallon wash basket but, the only problem that occurred was the giant tub walked and banged because of the extra fast spin...So, I thought the suspension needs added stabilizing strength...came up with adding 3 Heavy Duty Long Suspension Springs for back-up (stay-put) support...attached to the suspension rod cover connecting to the baseplate...what do you think about that Yogi? What were the agitation and spinning speeds increased too? And Smoochies, you don't like using your 27 gallon LDA washer?...the gigantic tub is MAGNIFICENT, with the 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR (undulating vanes and upper straight vanes)...non-stop 'TIDAL WAVES' of water surging from the bottom to the top of the tub.

Post# 812965 , Reply# 54   3/8/2015 at 23:22 (3,307 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

hey yogi,sure would like those parts numbers if you got `em and I agree with ya,this is the way they should always`s be!!just a little extra kick without too much over.now she`s perfect amd the wife--well she`s already lookin to try it out now.i told her if I catch her overloading it again I`m going to,,you get the picbut it perfect now and thank`s for that help brother.i can`t tell ya how happy that made me man.bext time in jersey which could be anytime,i`m a trucker by trafe gonna have to drop ya a line and go for a beer bro!!

scrubflex,i do love the harvest gold but so afraid something`s going to happen to her I only use her for my loads when the wife get lazy the I take over and do the laundry when there is mountians of clothes.and she don`t mind it either cause I`m out of her hair.today got under her skin though with the belt change but once I was done her she comes a runnin wanting to wash something and she see`s what I`m talkin about now.but back to goldie,i just use her every so often.that was the first one I got from my childhood memories and I really take care of it.once a year I tear it down and grease it up,check the whole thing out from top to bottom and just basically give it a physical so if something is happening I het the jump on it.i know eventually I`m going to have to have a new tub made for it in a machine shopsense you can`t buy them anymore.i have the ring siliconed to the top cause where the clip ring clip`s go are rusted out..lol but I improvised and it worked out just fine and it doesn`t leak!!

I just hope it doesn`t get pissed-off when I soup her up with a thicker belt!!but then again she never complain`s,well,she did the otherday with the nasty rug,,that was no sud`s lock!!!she straight up choked on durt from it.and once again the wife wouldn`t help film so I could show what happen.it was comical and entertaining.


Post# 812968 , Reply# 55   3/8/2015 at 23:39 (3,307 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Okay Smoochies, always grateful...loving the videos, especially the the full action ones.

Post# 812976 , Reply# 56   3/9/2015 at 01:06 (3,307 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Smoochies, your almond colored Whirlpool is a super capacity as well (2.80 cu.ft.) I believe...so can some videos of this washer with the NEW 5/8" belt and the 18 lbs. Super SURGILATOR agitator? The extra speed (71 OPM) and looks like, (600 plus RPM) destroying dirt in extra large loads will make awesome videos as well...not as spectacular as 27 gallon GIGANTIUS but, great anyway. If I had her---(LDA-7800), I'd be just as careful. BTW, if you want to replace the pump appliancepartspros.com have the LDA's pump and a 4 port pump also. Check it out---pump p/n: 358036 (sf 342) and manifold & filter p/n: 371743

Post# 812999 , Reply# 57   3/9/2015 at 07:10 (3,307 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

out to go grab another belt today, and probably call a few supply places to see if I can grab a larger pulley seems like if I can get 71 out of the pulley maybe a little easier for me to find a part. had to hit autozone Advance Auto Parts and Napa which was my last stop define the extra thick belt. well, that's what I get for living in Florida since they never ever anything you need around here

Post# 813002 , Reply# 58   3/9/2015 at 07:17 (3,307 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

Great thread! Didn't realize you could amp up the speeds on those machines. Now they can really stir things up.

I am also amazed by that "turbocharged MT" Martin.



Post# 813171 , Reply# 59   3/9/2015 at 23:59 (3,306 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Yogi, what are the new extra-fast and normal-slow agitating strokes for your enhanced Kenmore washer...without a tech device I know you cannot tell how fast is the new spins are...BTW, have you seen the video of the 1981 Lady Kenmore Portable washer? It's fast agitating speed use 72 strokes but, the spin speed may be 800 to possibly 1000 RPM's...seen another video of the inside components and the drive pulley was pretty large to my surprise...If there is a pulley that can enhance the Whirlpool 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR and or Double-duty Super SURGILATOR agitator agitating stroke to 72 at best and 75 the highest...safe perfection...but, have that super-fast 800-plus spins...a Spinner is cool to have but, it's a different machine...there's nothing like your 'fav' with it's own kick. Check the video out guys.

Post# 813345 , Reply# 60   3/11/2015 at 02:34 (3,305 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Smoochies, is your tan Whirlpool model a 1983 LA5580? If so, it is a super capacity washtub...a scaled down size one. When you install the new 5/8" belt, can you make a full (fill-to final spin) video of the tan washer using the 18 lb. Super SURGILATOR doing a large load of towels and rags like the one with the Double-duty Super SURGILATOR in it? I think the turnover would be better in that one instead of the standard size tub because it has more room to move around in the tub.

Post# 813704 , Reply# 61   3/12/2015 at 22:53 (3,303 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        
2. 25 diameter Pulley

hey yogi I got to agree with you. 2.25 diameter pulley is way too much, so I'm going to downgrade so I am going to downgrade to a 2. 05. And see what I get. I am going to make a video of the 2.25 just for everyones info it's so damn fast I just ate so hard, I could wash a load in it but I won't dare try and spend a load in it again. when I did a test cycle on it with just a few towels and machine ended up walking across my laundry room floor. I have to assume it was spinning at over 600 rpms it sounded like a freaking airplane taking off! unbelievable! but wait to you see the agitation, it's almost scary!

Post# 813776 , Reply# 62   3/13/2015 at 10:35 (3,302 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

Insane surgilaton

CLICK HERE TO GO TO smoochies189's LINK


Post# 813850 , Reply# 63   3/13/2015 at 18:51 (3,302 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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is that the 2.5 or the 2.25?.....

have you tried Gentle Speed?.....with the 2.5, Gentle speed for you would equal Normal speed for everyone else...

nice vid, you should have thrown a few towels in there......

but your right, that is serious Surgilation!

not to mention, whats the pump out like?

someone is having some newly discovered fun......


Post# 813877 , Reply# 64   3/13/2015 at 22:44 (3,302 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

the pump out is insane.! I've never seen one dr
drain that fast in my life! it's the 2.25 pulley and I did try the gentle cycle which wasn't too bad, not quite normal not quite general sort of an in between like maybe around 54 strokes per minute so a little stronger than general but not quite normal. I did have something in it when I ran the first cycle test but my phone was dead so I couldn't film it, but when it kicked in 2 spin it damn near took off the ground and started to fly! I actually had to lean on it and hold it in place it was shaking so violently.I did think about picking up a 2.5 and running it on gentle just to see how it would react, I'm kinda guessing like your machine on gentle.

I have to agree with you, the 58 inch belt is the way to go, not too much not too little just like right on the sweet spot so I think thats the way I'm going to go outside of just experimenting!


Post# 813927 , Reply# 65   3/14/2015 at 11:17 (3,301 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the only way we find out is to experiment....some work, some don't....but we have fun along the way....

just thinking outside the box!.....

try some of the Kenmore agitators in there as well....some may surprise you....

Mark/Akronman did a trick with a piece from a Rubbermaid container, directing the water spray to hit more of the clothes....especially for the spin spray...

got to love his Mark XII washer.....and especially that magic mix dispenser filter


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Post# 813975 , Reply# 66   3/14/2015 at 18:12 (3,301 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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oh, the chance to be there, and see your face, once you installed these pulleys or belts....

and then turned that machine on.....STAND BACK!!!



some say that I am a bad influence.....wonder where that came from?

evil scientist...or Wile E. Coyote...super 'surgilator' genious...lol......

mental more like it.....


Post# 814007 , Reply# 67   3/14/2015 at 22:42 (3,301 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I vote for super suurgilator genious, especially for the extra fast spin...there isn't anything that can be done to stabilize the violent shaking from the spins?

Post# 814013 , Reply# 68   3/14/2015 at 23:56 (3,301 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Smoochies, you're not making full (wash-rinse & final spin) videos anymore?...with the new 5/8" belt and 75 OPM...and, did you see my post about your 1983 Whirlpool tan LA5580 using the 18 lbs. Super SURGILATOR and the new belt?

Post# 814039 , Reply# 69   3/15/2015 at 07:35 (3,301 days old) by smoochies189 (vero beach)        

haven't had the time to make any more full length videos I'm preparing to go back out on the road for a few weeks.

Martin, you're not a bad influence just an evil genius such as myself and that we both like to tinker with things! yeah definitely was a thrill!

As for my 10 washer, freaking voice recognition, 10 washer not 10 10 tan washer, I will have to look at the model number and post it for you but it is also a rebuilt used machine that I bought at a furniture appliance store in downtown Vero Beach.

Also earlier in this thread someone asked what the buzzing was after the machine filled up on French, not French rinse, what you hear is a tired old timer that runs a little slow that's why some of the spray rinses are erratic I believe. if I set that machine for 10 minutes to wash it can take anywhere from 18 to 20 minutes. I don't know if this is the cause or that is just the way the timer is but it can be erratic from time to time and sometimes it won't move at all but that is few and far inbetween.

As far as the harvest gold and the white machine tho both timers were redone by that guy in Vero and ever since then the spray wrenches have been extra long on them I don't know why but I guess I kinda like it that way anyway. More soap removal, and at the end I just advance the timer and unplug the motor to let it spin longer. but with the new 5h belt, 58inch belt I don't have to do that anymore.!

I will post that model number for you!


Post# 814094 , Reply# 70   3/15/2015 at 19:04 (3,300 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Okay and thanks for everything you do for me...I'm not a repair guy/mechanic I just have ideas...you guys get to experiment with and bring to life any ideas you have...very fortunate and really cool...if the rebuilts have new parts and better enhancements then the machine is better than originally made...sooooo cool...If possible before you leave, HOPEFYLLY you can make another full video of the HARVEST GOLD using the (18 lbs. Super SURGILATOR) and new 5/8" belt...if not the harvest gold then the TAN, which is the next super capacity...a large load of towels/rags, sheets, etc)...(BIG CHEESY SMILE)


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