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How old is my "new" Whirlpool Compact washer?
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Post# 816544   3/30/2015 at 11:34 (3,307 days old) by extmaxspin (Saginaw MI)        

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Just picked up a new addition to my little beginners collection, a Whirlpool one speed, three cycle compact. I suspect it's from the late 70's, but I'm sure someone has the detail to help me more precisely date it. It's a model number LFC4600W0, and serial number is J84912491.

Also, the machine has a clear timer skirt with the indicator line on the console panel behind. Is there a way to adjust the positioning of the timer or skirt against the indicator? Where the timer picture was taken is where the Normal cycle ends and that location isn't bad, but to start the cycle at 14 minutes requires positioning the dial mid-way between OFF and 14.

I'm guessing that removing the skirt just entails gently backing it off the timer shaft (after unscrewing the outer knob), but if I get it off, can I change the position when putting it back on? If not, is there another way to adjust this?

Thanks in advance for the information and guidance!

Mark


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Post# 816548 , Reply# 1   3/30/2015 at 12:28 (3,307 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Serial number (J849) indicates 49th week of 1978 or 1988.

Model number syntax (LFC) indicates 1978 model year ... so 1978 is it.

Unscrew the silver timer knob, then carefully pull the dial skirt off.  Some are keyed such that the timer shaft and dial skirt fit together only one way.  Some have a nylon grommet that slides onto the timer shaft, then the dial presses on to friction-fit the grommet, in which case the dial is aligned to the correct orientation before pressing-on.  The issue that comes into play is that the grippers molded into the dial form grooves in the grommet that can interfere with slight reorientation after-the-fact.  I can't tell from parts diagrams which mounting method applies to this machine.

(The grommet may crack if the timer is forcefully turned via the dial instead of the knob.)


Post# 816551 , Reply# 2   3/30/2015 at 12:46 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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coolest little machines ever.....got to love that 900 rpm spin....yeah, mine stops just at the off sign.....just got this off JohnL....did you know a dispenser from a full size machine fits?

also, Welcome to the club!


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Post# 816594 , Reply# 3   3/30/2015 at 17:10 (3,307 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)        
1980

I had this machine and I bought it in April, 1980, my very FIRST! A great little performer. The matching 110 V. dryer was the best compact/portable drier I ever had also. Mine had the sink/faucet adapter. I sold it with my condo in 1986 when I moved to Denver.

Post# 816612 , Reply# 4   3/30/2015 at 18:51 (3,307 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I like it, especially that super-high spin speed...Yogi is it really 900 RPM's...not a mechanic so I don't know, but could the drive pulley be used on the larger capacity washers? The 72 OPM for extra washing kick is just enough but, that 900 RPM would be AWESOME for the spins. What do you think?

Post# 816616 , Reply# 5   3/30/2015 at 19:18 (3,307 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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only for the portables......designed to match the 110 dryers.....

Post# 816689 , Reply# 6   3/31/2015 at 10:56 (3,306 days old) by extmaxspin (Saginaw MI)        

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DADoES--thanks for the info on the age of my machine! I've not had a chance to see if I can adjust the positioning of the timer skirt yet, but if I can't change it, it's not the end of the world...

Martin--I tend to agree with your theory on the spin speed being engineered to match the capabilities of a 110 dryer. If the washers didn't get as much water out as they do, there is no way the 110 dryer could cut it.

I had a set of KM portables back in the early 90's when living in an apartment with no hook ups, and always loved the performance and convenience of them. I'm glad to have another shot at owning one of these washers, and am excited about the mini Surgilator in the WP version. Much more exciting than the 3 fin straight vane in the old KM.

And I wasn't aware that the standard softener dispenser would fit this one. I guess it does make sense though, as I had a dispenser from a Roto-swirl that I used on my KM.

Thanks again!


Post# 816706 , Reply# 7   3/31/2015 at 12:35 (3,306 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Baby Belt Drives

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I've had my 1981 for about 5 years now and I love that little thing. I've recently had to move into very small quarters and I've recommissioned these into daily use. I've put rollers, belt and idler in the dryer and aside from a squeaky pump on the washer, that's been it, tinkering aside. The reason these machines can achieve such high speeds is the fact that they use pulleys. The 1986 version moved over to the direct-drive platform so, without using a separate transmission, which they didn't (same as the full size) they spun at the same speed as the larger machine with an even less effective diameter tub, which caused longer dry times.

 

It's funny, my mother has a little Chinese Haier thing in the kitchen and I have this little guy in the basement, and we have the same 120v WP compact dryers. I can dry a well spun load from my washer to bone-dry in less than 60 minutes, but in the dryer upstairs, the same size load takes nearly 30 additional minutes. Water extraction is definitely the way to go on drying times, and if I use my little Hoover washer to wash and spin (~2300rpm) the clothes, that shaves another 10-15, depending on fabric type, off the dry time as well. Also these are very high quality little units.

 

Martin, glad to see you enjoying that little WP you got, and with a bi-folding lid no less! I adore these little things and that Surgilator DOES move the clothes around better than the straight-vane KM agi. I have a Surgilator in mine, but the little plastic donut bushing inside came undone and I haven't been able to get it reattached and stay.

 

Seriously, you need to engineer a dual-action agi for these... Do it...

 

Tim


Post# 816735 , Reply# 8   3/31/2015 at 16:18 (3,306 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Even more blabbing! (Brief History of the WP portable)

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Also an interesting note about the portables is this is actually the 2nd generation portable, not the 1st as they are called often. Believe it or not, the original portable automatic from WP/KM was just a shortened full size 24" machine. It had a kick-down lever to stabilize it and it was the full depth of a full size machine. Kevin and a few others actually have these little washers, they held more since they were essentially a full-size machine. Some parts on the lower machine like the pump were changed slightly to allow a shorter height. These were a LOT heavier than the one discussed in this thread which are the 2nd generation machine. A few years later, this series machine was introduced and I feel like it is the 1st truly portable automatic. The new machine was much lighter to move around, you didn't have to lock it down and due to it's new suspension system could handle higher spin speeds. Ah yes, that suspension. For those who've never had one apart, the entire machine mechanics are supported on 3 springs from the base plate. The transmission is the same for the most part, a traditional belt-drive unit, but with different pulleys and a different belt-drive which was actually nothing like the traditional full-size unit. The belt here is a serpentine style belt with a spring-loaded idler pulley to maintain tension. They were also very thin and were about 7/8" tall with multiple ribs. The machine, due to the pulley arrangement/belt routing also spins in the reverse direction than the standard machines. These machines utilized a recirculating, manual-clean lint filter which was pretty fancy for a portable as well and they made them from simple units with only a single timer all the way up to the TOL machines which were called "Convertibles" because they had a standard 2-port inlet valve, 3 water levels, and 5 temp combos (that's the version I have). You could pop the wheels off and put legs under it (the base plate has the threaded holes for them already). I think these were just wonderful little machines, mine has proven to be durable.

 

As with anything there are things to look out for. Really the only "design flaw" I will mention is the tub guard. There are 2 versions, one like the machines here have, and a newer one with an angled tub opening and a fine-tooth lint filter. The older, more squared-off style had retaining tabs along the top rim of the outer tub that could break from the outer tub banging into the cabinet. Mine is like this, and I have the different style as well but I didn't like the lint filter on it, it was much harder to clean. I like the crack and slap cartridge that's in mine. This causes the tub cover top to flop around in the spin cycle or become dislodged. Something to check.

 

After this generation ended in around 1986, the portable washer took on the new direct-drive platform. There were less unique parts to the portable machine now, same pump, motor etc. The main difference that is noticeable aside from the sound was the slower spin speed. Since they used the same transmission between the portable and larger machines and they were directly driven from the motor, there was no way to increase the spin speed. So the little portable now spun at the slower speed of the full size machine, which was a kind of a big deal since these were usually coupled to 120v dryers. This did increase the dry time significantly. These machines still utilized a suspension system that was unique to the portables though, although this time they utilized shock absorbers. Instead of 3 springs, there are 3 shock absorbers in a triangle formation that anchor to a modified plate under the tub. Over time, the metal at the anchor points at the tub can fatigue with causes the securing bolt to push through the hole which makes the tub drop on that corner. These were still durable machines though, and versions of them had a dual-action agitator that helped with rollover in such a small tub. This washer was eventually replaced by the "World Washer" in the 90's, but the washer mechanism is still in use today in the 24" ThinTwin's.

 

The dryer, which was released in the late 60's is also still in production. When the portable dryer was introduced, it was smaller than the washer. When you put them side by side they really didn't seem to match. The dryer was shorter slightly, and not as deep as the washer. It was an identical pairing in dimensions however to both the 2nd generation BD portables and the new DD portables. The World Washer was a departure as it didn't match anything. The dryers are still being made in both stand-alone and as the upper have of the ThinTwin. They are very robust little units and are easy to service. Later models have electronic sensors in them for auto-dry even and over the years they have been available in 220v, 120v and even gas.

 

I hope this provides a little background history for our new WP portable owners :)

 

-Tim


Post# 816751 , Reply# 9   3/31/2015 at 17:46 (3,306 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I had one of these sets that I bought new in 1974. My washer was the TOL convertible model, and it worked very well. The weak spot in mine was the clutch, it went out the first time while the washer was still under warranty and Whirlpool repaired it. Then the next time it went out 1 month after the warranty had expired and Whirlpool wouldn't repair it unless I was willing to pay I think $120.00, which was a lot to me in 1976. So, I bought a Maytag A50 twin tub instead since I was still living in an apt. without hook ups. The A50 was a gem! The dryer was really good for a compact dryer that used 120 v. I did have to replace the belt once, but I used this dryer for 7 years, until I had a place for a full size dryer. The Whrilpool compact was still working fine when I got rid of it.

Post# 816759 , Reply# 10   3/31/2015 at 18:19 (3,306 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
GE and emerson motors used

ihave two of these,a '77 portable with single valve and an '80 with bifold lid and hot/cold inlet valves.the GE motor in the '77 is louder than the emerson motor in the '80

Post# 816766 , Reply# 11   3/31/2015 at 18:47 (3,306 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)        

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Silly question, but what is the 3rd program besides Normal and Short? Because it is only a one speed, I'm guessing it's not Delicate?

Post# 816790 , Reply# 12   3/31/2015 at 20:33 (3,306 days old) by extmaxspin (Saginaw MI)        

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Todd--the third cycle is permanent press. Although it doesn't have a slower spin speed, it still does a cool down sequence.

Post# 821922 , Reply# 13   5/3/2015 at 21:08 (3,273 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
Portable.......

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Congrats on your "new" portable washer!
Welcome!


Post# 822037 , Reply# 14   5/4/2015 at 19:38 (3,272 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ)        
Nice Portable ..

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Hi ..

That was the first washer that I bought along with the 110V dryer for my Cape May house when I got it from my Aunt. Did not have enough electricity for a full size anything at that time. Went through
a couple of versions of the portable washer including a fully plumbed version. The dryer ran forever and was still working when I did the remodel. First set for the remodel was Duet Washer/dryer. Now have LD matched and stacked. They are actually in the same space at the portable. Love the LG.

harry



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