Thread Number: 59090
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
New owner of a 2015 Speed Queen TL washer! |
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Post# 816613 , Reply# 1   3/30/2015 at 18:59 (3,311 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 816663 , Reply# 3   3/31/2015 at 08:03 (3,310 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 816691 , Reply# 4   3/31/2015 at 11:22 (3,310 days old) by estesguy (kansas)   |   | |
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Yes, we'll be interested to hear how the water level works out, as there is a BIG difference between the 400 KWHs on the AWN542 you were going to buy, and the 112 KWHs on the model you ended up buying. 112 is really, really low. |
Post# 816708 , Reply# 6   3/31/2015 at 13:14 (3,310 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Here is a picture from a user that just took delivery showing a full tub fill.
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Post# 816771 , Reply# 8   3/31/2015 at 19:27 (3,310 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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I am REALLY excited about this. I have missed our Raytheon Amana since it was replaced in 2006, even if it was a little on the crappy side. I'm excited to be getting it's better built successor. |
Post# 816831 , Reply# 11   4/1/2015 at 05:55 (3,309 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 816878 , Reply# 12   4/1/2015 at 10:34 (3,309 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Unfortunately they still do a spin-drain, they could really improve their belt life if they would start spinning with an empty tub. It also uses 10-15 times as much power to use an inefficient 1/2 HP split phase motor to pump out the water.
I think the only reason they are keeping the water pump on the main motor [ in this country at least ] is that it is much cheaper to build. One of the other bad things about having the water attached to the main motor is when the pump seal fails it sometimes ruins a $200 motor.
SQ also needs to add and enlarge the holes in the bottom of their washers tub to improve the heavy soil removal of their TL machines [ in addition to adding a ND operation ]. Overall the performance of SQ TL washers is not that great, this is probably why few of the serious washer collectors on this site have new SQ TL washers in their laundry rooms. |
Post# 816898 , Reply# 14   4/1/2015 at 11:47 (3,309 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 816973 , Reply# 19   4/1/2015 at 19:04 (3,309 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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Does it say? |
Post# 817002 , Reply# 21   4/1/2015 at 22:03 (3,309 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)   |   | |
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Also does the control keep your settings from the previous cycle or does it reset back to default? |
Post# 817046 , Reply# 23   4/2/2015 at 05:56 (3,308 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 817065 , Reply# 24   4/2/2015 at 08:44 (3,308 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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I like the look of the electronic controls and wish we had Speed Queen in Canada instead of the Huebesch version. Looking at their website, they have replaced all the words on the control panel with nothing but symbols. I don't know how anyone is supposed to figure out what all the buttons are for just by looking at symbols. I know the intention is to make it easier no matter what language you speak but it sure isn't easier for me.
Gary CLICK HERE TO GO TO countryguy's LINK |
Post# 817075 , Reply# 25   4/2/2015 at 11:58 (3,308 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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That is one great looking washer! I find it so interesting that when SQ went to digital the price went up. Wouldn't that little digital interface cost a good bit less than an mechanical timer? Shady. B |
Post# 817080 , Reply# 26   4/2/2015 at 12:26 (3,308 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 817143 , Reply# 27   4/2/2015 at 20:17 (3,308 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Electronic controls are likely to cost more than the timer that SQ was using, especially when you use decent quality ECs.
I sold three SQ TL washers this week, all AWN432s, I installed the first one this afternoon, and it still has a mechanical timer, interestingly the price went DOWN on the AWN432, we are selling it for the same price as the AWN412, our delivered and installed price in our service area is $769 + tax. |
Post# 817183 , Reply# 29   4/3/2015 at 00:45 (3,308 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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Ok guys I've got a video up. I didn't edit it so it's the full length. It got cut off toward the end of the final spin though, so you miss the end of cycle signal, but you hear it at the beginning when I turned it on. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Gusherb's LINK |
Post# 817200 , Reply# 30   4/3/2015 at 05:47 (3,307 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)   |   | |
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What?! No user diagram on the inside of the lid? Just a blank white space where there should be pictures and words - not good enough! |
Post# 817223 , Reply# 31   4/3/2015 at 07:36 (3,307 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 817239 , Reply# 32   4/3/2015 at 08:52 (3,307 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 817242 , Reply# 33   4/3/2015 at 09:02 (3,307 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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How much time does the PRE-WASH add?
Is the fill flume part of the tub ring or mounted to the machine cabinet? I too would like to see an Eco rinse. With and without second rinse. When filling with warm water, do you hear the valve cycling the hot on and off? Wondering how the TOL model has 4 temp options... Malcolm |
Post# 817258 , Reply# 35   4/3/2015 at 11:24 (3,307 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Indeed I would guess that the actual cost of a single board is likely more then the mechanical timer they were using.
But, the overall the electronic control may be less expensive when you consider its flexibility to be used across other models with just a software change. With a mechanical timer you have to change the cams and contacts to reprogram. Because of the versatility of the base electronic control board there may be some economics of the platform scale that favor it. Having to manufacture a different mechanical timer for each machine increases costs. Also moving forward the electronic control offers 'smarts' that a mere mechanical timer can't. While some eschew the idea of electronic controls, they will ultimately become necessary for sales due to market pressure. Very difficult to sell a basic appearing machine for the same cost as one that looks like the Space Shuttle flight deck, even if the innards are better... I like the fact that the machine can potentially function with system feedback to control the cycle based on various inputs, this is difficult/impossible with a simple mechanical timer. Finally to reliability I would wager that SQ cared enough to use decent stuff. On the flip side I wonder if the mechanical timers they have been using in the recent years are any where near the quality of the vintage timers we all know and love. I have to think that cost pressures have made recent mechanical timers less likely to last the way their vintage brethren did. |
Post# 817278 , Reply# 37   4/3/2015 at 14:05 (3,307 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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That spray rinse seems much more effective than what my WP 4800 does, but I'm still not convinced that it truly rinses the whole load. I'd always just use the extra rinse option or the Heavy Duty cycle. The spray rinse on the WP is water falling directly down on the agitator as the tub slowly pulse-turns, the water barely even touches the clothes. It fills with a inch or two's worth, and then proceeds to the final spin. |
Post# 817309 , Reply# 39   4/3/2015 at 17:07 (3,307 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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thanks for posting the video. Spray rinsing is quite short. Noticed that. The wash light remained on through the first spray rinse. Manual indicates NE uses less hot water than regular cycles. So the initial burst of hot water is about on course with what I would expect. Probably best for everyday casual cottons and denims, but I wouldn't go much further than that.
Now we need someone to make movies of the FL machines... Malcolm |
Post# 817331 , Reply# 40   4/3/2015 at 19:06 (3,307 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)   |   | |
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The unfortunate part is I wont take delivery for quite a while (May 23rd) as they are going into a home that we don't yet live in but will close on in early May. |
Post# 817339 , Reply# 41   4/3/2015 at 19:27 (3,307 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)   |   | |
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Does the pre-wash use intermittent soaks and agitation? |
Post# 817432 , Reply# 46   4/4/2015 at 10:43 (3,306 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Absolutely. It really looks like the spray would only hit the bottom of the tub and maybe half way up the tub. The spray would be okay if the machine did a neutral drain with the clothes laying on the bottom of the tub before spinning. I would have liked to see the load go through a deep rinse to see whether there were still suds left.
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Post# 817434 , Reply# 47   4/4/2015 at 10:50 (3,306 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Could you start the cycle on Heavy Duty for example to just fill the tub and then switch to Normal Eco to get the rinse sequence? This would give you the option to fiddle around with the rinsing sequence of the Normal Eco cycle with pretty much any load. |
Post# 817449 , Reply# 48   4/4/2015 at 13:59 (3,306 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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F&P's shower rinse option is much more effective. The fill flume nozzle has perforations which aim the spray in various directions, some of which are toward the basket and top of the clothes pack. Rotation drops to 25 RPM during saturation sprays so the load is thoroughly soaked. The volume of water and number of saturations varies per the load size. I ran a large load of jeans a couple weeks ago using the shower rinse option, there were three saturation spray periods. |
Post# 817488 , Reply# 50   4/4/2015 at 18:41 (3,306 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I had a Frigidaire Immersion Care washer and the spray rinses looked far more effective.
SQ should switch to a neutral drain, spin the tub very slowly during the spray, ramp it up to around 150 rpm to draw the water out of the clothes, then repeat. The spin-drain, with the clothes already plastered to the side of the tub during the spray rinses, is the problem. |
Post# 817497 , Reply# 52   4/4/2015 at 19:26 (3,306 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I will reserve judgement on SQs new spin rinse system till I have more experience with it, but as I have said before it is a shame WP tied up the patents on the recirculated spin rinse system they used on their Resource Saver TL washers they made in the late 90s. The RS rinse system was by far the most effective rinsing I have ever seen in TL washer, I would say it was nearly as effective as TWO DEEP RINSES while only using about 1/4 of the water of TDRs. F&Ps spray rinse is also fairly effective but does not adjust for load size like WPs rinse system and wastes more water.
Eugene you are correct that SQ should go to Neutral Drain, they also need larger [ and more ] holes in the bottom of heir tub in TL washers. Because of the lack of holes in the basket even if the spray rinse missises the clothing on the sides of the tub the water will mostly spin up through the clothing anyway, possible problem is the sediment in the bottom of the wash basket will also wash up and be deposited in the clean laundry.
PS Scott, you are going to love your new SQ Front Load Washer, there is no better, more durable washer built for home use, the SQ FL washer is the real deal, it is literately the last washer most Americans will need if you are over 35 or 40 years old. |
Post# 817532 , Reply# 54   4/5/2015 at 01:43 (3,306 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I love F&P's spray rinses, and I was disappointed to learn that the Oasis doesn't perform the same way, at least not in the recent models. The F&P's have that beautiful spray pattern from the flume, and a few jets even hit the top rim of the tub to rinse down any residue, I assume. What I think makes it effective are the quick spins it does between the sprays. The Bravos will drizzle water, which isn't as broad reaching, for a few seconds, then simply drain for a few secs, and repeat. Then it will proceed to the deeper fill if selected.
With the default "water save spray rinse" it will use the recirculator, but not for very long. I would only trust it with very lightly soiled loads anyway, because I'd need to use the minimal amount of detergent for the spray rinse to be effective. |
Post# 817554 , Reply# 56   4/5/2015 at 08:13 (3,305 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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In my mind, this program is for lightly soiled cotton garment that may simply need a freshening up rather than a full blown wash and rinse. Using an HE detergent in this cycle is going to seriously dilute it down from the start. Not leaving much to be rinsed out in the end.
Still, I am also curious as to what a second rinse added to this program would reveal in sudsiness. It might also be interesting to run a cycle at each load setting to see if the spray sessions vary in any way. Also interesting to note, the first spray rinse is included as part of the end of the wash phase. It isn't until the first spin pause that we advance into the rinse session. Additionally, in warmer climates, the ECO wash temp would be warmer than in Northern Wintery conditions. Malcolm |
Post# 817563 , Reply# 57   4/5/2015 at 08:54 (3,305 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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On whirlpool system they used six recirculated spray rinses all at the highest spin speed.
It is always hard to test rinsing effectiveness but I know you could use a cup of liquid chlorine bleach and could smell nothing at the end of the cycle so I think it was pretty effective,definitely more effective than one deep rinse that's for sure. |
Post# 817736 , Reply# 59   4/6/2015 at 11:19 (3,304 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I have watched the Normal-ECO video a few times now. I think that if they modified the fill flume and put it back on the tub ring/splash guard. Maybe two ports and the 10 and 2 o'clock positions spraying in a fan pattern it might be better.
It would also not bother me to have the aerated fill back either :D Malcolm |
Post# 817759 , Reply# 60   4/6/2015 at 13:49 (3,304 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)   |   | |
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Look how efficient is the spray from LG top load washer. |
Post# 817790 , Reply# 61   4/6/2015 at 17:20 (3,304 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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For those who asked; my machines control board was made in Mexico... |
Post# 818209 , Reply# 63   4/9/2015 at 06:24 (3,301 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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The manual indicates that you can select the RINSE/SPIN cycle and add options to it, like PREWASH and/or SECOND RINSE. Is this indeed possible?
Just curious... Malcolm
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Post# 818278 , Reply# 65   4/9/2015 at 13:12 (3,301 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 822984 , Reply# 69   5/11/2015 at 19:43 (3,269 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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"For those who asked; my machines control board was made in Mexico..." Ugh. Better than China though. But not by much. |
Post# 823051 , Reply# 70   5/12/2015 at 08:43 (3,268 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Weren't the timers made in Mexico as well? |
Post# 823067 , Reply# 71   5/12/2015 at 11:14 (3,268 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 823071 , Reply# 72   5/12/2015 at 11:53 (3,268 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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At least it's all made in North America! Can't say that for most of everything out there. |
Post# 823121 , Reply# 73   5/12/2015 at 18:24 (3,268 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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To some degree, trying to discern the quality of a component based on country of origin is deeply flawed. There are high quality and low quality goods produced in every country. The ultimate quality all depends on who the manufacturer chose to supply a component, the specs they required and the amount of money they were willing to pay. Hopefully Speed Queen didn't buy crap.
The whole line of reasoning to me is just like how people buy modern kitchen appliances. As long as its stainless steel it doesn't matter who made it... |
Post# 823490 , Reply# 75   5/15/2015 at 03:46 (3,265 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 824283 , Reply# 78   5/20/2015 at 06:07 (3,260 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Congratulations, that is a fine looking, well made machine, hope it exceeds your expectations.
We can buy them here in Australia too, however at around $2,300 AU dollars,they really are cost prohibitive for most people I'm afraid,. Most people I know would baulk at paying that much for a washer,mind you they would not think that if it lasted 15-20 years then it would actually pay for itself over a lifetime. Happy Washing. Steve. |
Post# 824335 , Reply# 80   5/20/2015 at 14:19 (3,260 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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I know what you mean, the lid has those nice rubber bumpers on it that makes a nice solid thunk off the sturdy steel cabinet. |
Post# 828943 , Reply# 83   6/21/2015 at 21:12 (3,228 days old) by Mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Pre wash automatically advances to the wash cycle. Fill agitate, drain spin and refill for main wash cycle. |
Post# 829046 , Reply# 87   6/22/2015 at 16:49 (3,227 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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Yes it does. Whatever cycle combination the control panel allows you to select is exactly what you get. There is absolutely no trickery in the programming with these machines. |
Post# 829133 , Reply# 88   6/23/2015 at 03:46 (3,226 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I am so happy to see you invested in a Speed Queen. :D Truly the best modern washer in existence. Ive had a mechanical AWN412 Speed Queen for about 2 years now, best decision I ever made. My only regrets is not buying one earlier.
I am not to thrilled about what looks like 2 separate circuit boards, or electronic controls, but knowing Speed Queen I think it will be as dependable as most other electro mechanical models. I also want to ask, can the water level be adjusted? I personally think Speed Queen should have gone with a pressure switch that could be adjusted via screw. Can the transducer be adjusted? |
Post# 830025 , Reply# 90   6/29/2015 at 10:11 (3,220 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 830054 , Reply# 91   6/29/2015 at 14:51 (3,220 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 830228 , Reply# 94   7/1/2015 at 00:50 (3,219 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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I'm curious if having some knocking sounds during spin is anything to worry about. My machine has been developing some noises like that lately. |
Post# 830249 , Reply# 95   7/1/2015 at 08:36 (3,218 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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These are heavy well built washers BUT are a fairly crude older style construction. I completely agree with Mike, if the machine is working well there is most likely nothing wrong with it, and while you have a great warranty calling for service and having someone come out and start messing with the washer is not a good idea in my experience it can easily do more harm than good. [ and you will just drive everyone nuts in the process, and accomplish nothing ] LOL.
If you want quieter operation you probably should have gotten the FL SQ however you can sound insulate the SQ TLer if you wish, Jason and I made my Frigidaire 1-18 nearly silent by adding a lot of sound proofing insulation to it. |
Post# 830250 , Reply# 96   7/1/2015 at 08:37 (3,218 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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These are heavy well built washers BUT are a fairly crude older style construction. I completely agree with Mike, if the machine is working well there is most likely nothing wrong with it, and while you have a great warranty calling for service and having someone come out and start messing with the washer is not a good idea in my experience it can easily do more harm than good. [ and you will just drive everyone nuts in the process, and accomplish nothing ] LOL.
If you want quieter operation you probably should have gotten the FL SQ however you can sound insulate the SQ TLer if you wish, Jason and I made my Frigidaire 1-18 nearly silent by adding a lot of sound proofing insulation to it. |
Post# 830411 , Reply# 99   7/2/2015 at 04:54 (3,217 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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These washers are very well built, and like all older well designed machines there will be some noise. Interestingly my machine would squeak in the wash and rinse when filled all the way up. The tub would tilt forward and rub against the foam piece in front making a distinct squeak like sneakers on a wet floor. It went away after about 3 months.
There was the occasional grind from the gear case but it went away. The motor is nosier and does vibrate on slow, but not by much. Personally, or maybe Ive just been blessed with a quiet machine, Speed Queen washers are overall are quiet. I think people are just overly concerned (which is ok). Ive dealt with far worse, GE sounded like it was going to bring the house down. Whirlpool would off balance easily, and there was that loud bang going into spin. An interesting note Ive noticed that my tub does lean more than other machines, but so far nothing. It could be each washer has its own unique quirks. In any case we should be blessed, far worse washers are being sold on all levels. Not that Speed Queen is bad in any way, they rival older, coveted time tested designs. |
Post# 830446 , Reply# 101   7/2/2015 at 09:38 (3,217 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 830465 , Reply# 103   7/2/2015 at 12:41 (3,217 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 830526 , Reply# 105   7/2/2015 at 19:02 (3,217 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The water pump can be removed and replaced with the motor in place [ we do several times every week ]. It is not all that easy to reinstall the clips however with the motor in place. By far the worst thing about the current SQ TL washers is the lack of a neutral drain and a separate electric drain pump. The current design is a waste of electricity, hell on belt life and the spin drain leaves much more lint and grit in the clean laundry and causes about 1/2 all the service calls we are running on these washers. SQ could save a lot of money on warranty calls if they would spend another $5 on an electric pump.
[ We are now carrying transmission drive pulleys in our trucks because they melt when something gets caught in these washers because it gets thrown over the wash basket during the stupid SPIN DRAIN, of course this also destroys the belt and drain pump every time it happens as well]
I don't think that changing the water pump to the SO CALLED heavy duty one will make any difference in the sound level, the pump makes very little noise. |
Post# 830533 , Reply# 106   7/2/2015 at 20:07 (3,217 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 830564 , Reply# 109   7/3/2015 at 07:17 (3,216 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 830603 , Reply# 110   7/3/2015 at 16:01 (3,216 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Low scoring top-loaders:
Speed Queen AWN542, $800 Maytag Centennial MVWC300V, $430 Kenmore 2125, $520 Whirlpool WTW4950, $600 "...these washers either didn't clean well, were inefficient, or both". "... all these models had overall scores of 40 or lower.... This post was last edited 07/03/2015 at 18:54 |
Post# 830614 , Reply# 112   7/3/2015 at 17:19 (3,216 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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So, a low score is good right? Just like golf... |
Post# 830621 , Reply# 113   7/3/2015 at 19:22 (3,216 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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My SQ cleans just fine thank you. And it does not take half a day to do it. Nor has it ever needed "cleaned" with extra cost "cleaners". Long live the SQ! |
Post# 830625 , Reply# 114   7/3/2015 at 20:10 (3,216 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)   |   | |
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"My SQ cleans just fine thank you. And it does not take half a day to do it. Nor has it ever needed "cleaned" with extra cost "cleaners". Long live the SQ!" Ditto! |
Post# 830647 , Reply# 115   7/3/2015 at 23:31 (3,216 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)   |   | |
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"My SQ cleans just fine thank you. And it does not take half a day to do it. Nor has it ever needed "cleaned" with extra cost "cleaners". Long live the SQ!" Ditto also. |
Post# 830660 , Reply# 116   7/4/2015 at 09:10 (3,215 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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CRs has fairly soft water in their area, they generally use the warm setting which is pretty cool in SQ TL washers, I also believe they don't adjust the amount of detergent up for high water use machines, so a SQ or other water hog machines will not do well compared to HE machines when it comes to removing tough stains and other dirt.
I have long said that the ONLY way I will use a conventional TL washer is if I can reuse the wash water because they need a very large amount of hot water and detergent bleach etc to do a decent job and they are just too expensive to use if you do not reuse the wash water. |
Post# 830665 , Reply# 117   7/4/2015 at 10:18 (3,215 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Hear, hear! The reason for Speed Queen's low ranking by CR isn't because it's a poorly-made machine. It's because there's little chance a traditional top-loader will perform as well as an HE front-loader (or top-loader) given the parameters of their test in 75 degree water. An HE's detergent solution is 5-6 times more concentrated; the wash time is 2-4 times longer. All the water in the world isn't going to make up for the advantages an HE machine (especially a front-loader) has under those conditions.
CR also scores on water/energy efficiency and how much water is removed in the final spin (saving time/energy in the dryer). Those parameters make it difficult for the SQ top-loader to score well in their tests. |
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Post# 830818 , Reply# 120   7/5/2015 at 10:55 (3,214 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Olav-- People who want a traditional top-loader will buy a Speed Queen regardless of anything CR says. I did! My intent was to explain why a washer beloved by so many scores so poorly in CR's tests. Some are bewildered by that, or think CR is falsifying test results. The explanation is actually quite logical.
Perhaps I should have put it this way: Many HE washers would score no better than the SQ top-loader in cleaning if the wash time was limited to 15 minutes, as is the SQ. A high efficiency washer's Normal cycle set at the heaviest soil wash time can tumble/agitate 2 or 3 times that long---sometimes with a soak period in the middle---in a super-concentrated detergent solution. This post was last edited 07/05/2015 at 12:50 |
Post# 830824 , Reply# 121   7/5/2015 at 11:23 (3,214 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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It does. One could say as well that several million HE washers wash real peoples clothes in real peoples homes for real people. A whole continent uses HE washers (or at least something about equivalent). And sadly, water shortages can get real as well. |
Post# 830829 , Reply# 122   7/5/2015 at 11:53 (3,214 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Doesn't CR rate performance based on the out-of-the-box, designated, default Normal cycle (that the typical non-discriminating consumer would use for 100% of his washing)? Options to increase performance (longer wash times, pretreat, higher temperature, additional rinse, etc.) aren't factored into the equation (although they may be noted as available, yes? |
Post# 830839 , Reply# 123   7/5/2015 at 12:44 (3,214 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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CR used to test that way, but now tests the Normal cycle with the heaviest soil/longest wash time selected. This accounts for a lot of 90+ minute cycles. As I recall, they decided to change protocol due to the heavily stained tests cloths they wash. Most machines' default Normal cycles assume a light to moderately-soiled load. No other options (higher temps, etc.) are used.
For instance...Frigidaire's top-loading Immersion Care has a default Normal cycle time of 50 minutes. Choosing the heaviest soil option extends it to around 110-115 minutes, which is the time CR lists for the Immersion Care's complete cycle.
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Post# 830922 , Reply# 125   7/5/2015 at 22:48 (3,214 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)   |   | |
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Hi Eugene, You are right and so is John, I didn't read your posts correctly the first time around. |
Post# 830935 , Reply# 126   7/6/2015 at 02:12 (3,213 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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"The current design is a waste of electricity, hell on belt life and the spin drain leaves much more lint and grit in the clean laundry and causes about 1/2 all the service calls we are running on these washers. SQ could save a lot of money on warranty calls if they would spend another $5 on an electric pump."
I don't know why I see so much negativity in every post. Many older top load washer spun drain and it made little difference in life expectancy as that was factored into design. The belt is made to slip as was on older Maytags which lasted 30 years. I have seen basket drives fail to engage on 15 year old belt driven (wig-wag) whirlpools and clutches fail on newer top load GEs. Motor couplers breaking is as common for neutral drain whirlpools as are belts needing to be replaced. As I whole I think it makes no difference. Even when neutral drain is employed these machines are energy hogs, that's the design. In fact a shaded pole drain motor is less efficient per watt relative to available output (shaft) power, and when both are running on an empty tub in theory you are drawing more power then having one do both. From personnel experience I do not find spin drain washers to be worse at re-depositing dirt. If you look at older Maytag literature they even used it as a selling point. Granted Whirlpool said the opposite contradicting that, but using both styles have taught me its about the same. Perhaps a tad better for spin-drain, however in truth both designs use fabric as a strainer, there is no way around that. As for a separate pumps Ill pass. Ive heard of them air locking on Frigidaire's, and Ive had them seize up on newer GEs. Unless you are over loading the machine I cant see things being pushed up over into the outer tub. I guess it could be more likely with a spinning tub full of water, though has never been a problem for me. I think Speed Queen is doing the right thing, and I don't think they would intentionally keep spin draining if it was that much of a problem. |
Post# 830938 , Reply# 127   7/6/2015 at 04:34 (3,213 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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God Damn it people. It's a machine! It's supposed to make noise. I notice most of you people that are talking about noise and taking noise measurements don't even list your age in your profile. Us in or 50's and 60's heard noise you couldn't even have imagined and we didn't complain. In fact we enjoyed it. It was part of the experience.
Old solid tub machines from the 50's and 60's made all kinds of noises. Bangin' solenoids, chuggin' pumps, rumbling motors that vibrated through the machine and into the room, splashing water as the tubs filled with water while the spin was slowing down, lids locking and unlocking, timers scritchin' water sloppin' over the side of the tub as the machine got up to speed. You all should have been in a Speed Queen Laundromat back in those days. This stuff was going on all the time. No one cared. People just sat around and read newspapers and magazines. And ate candy bars and drank soda pop from the vending machines while setting in ice cold air from R-12 units cranking out cold air in the summertime. It was wonderful. In fact I would love to go back through time and experience that all over again. Quit worrying about a little bit of noise and think of it as part of the experience. |
Post# 830940 , Reply# 129   7/6/2015 at 05:08 (3,213 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)   |   | |
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Post# 830954 , Reply# 130   7/6/2015 at 08:40 (3,213 days old) by sketteroo ()   |   | |
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Two months ago I traded in my 2006 WP Duet FL for a SQ TL, and I am so glad I did. The SQ rinses the load so much better. No more crispy towels. I wouldn't go back to a FL for anything. |
Post# 831800 , Reply# 132   7/11/2015 at 01:38 (3,209 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )   |   | |
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My 3 yr old AWN542 had a cabinet buzz occasionally when newer. Lately it makes a slight ''meow'' sound when washing ceases/pause for spin. Way less drama/racket than our DD Kenmore,more ''old school'' sounds. |
Post# 832335 , Reply# 134   7/15/2015 at 03:39 (3,204 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Nearly everyone here raises the water level of their machine so it fills to the top row of holes in the tub. It's a simple adjustment; there are videos on YouTube showing how to do it. I had the installer raise mine when he delivered the washer. The extra few gallons of water won't hurt your machine.
As for detergents, use whichever type you prefer. Life is too short to lose sleep over it. Not that anyone asked, but although my favorite Speed Queens are solid tub models from the early 1960s, the new machines turn over a load much more efficiently. I'm fond of the Surgilator-like agitator. This post was last edited 07/15/2015 at 05:26 |
Post# 832351 , Reply# 135   7/15/2015 at 07:24 (3,204 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Barry, Glad you are enjoying your new washer, raising the WL on your machine should do little harm to your machine, although it does stress the belt a little longer as the machine struggles to pump out the water.
As far as different detergents go you can get great results with liquid or powders. The biggest problems we see with detergent usage in any washer is using too little for water conditions, water temperature and soil levels. As far as the washer is concerned it is almost imposable to use too much detergent. The ONLY way you could ever hurt this washer by using too much detergent would be if it was Suds-Locking as it tried to spin, this would be very hard on the belt etc.
The water pumps are very rugged on SQ TL Washers, they are designed to pump large quantities of sand, again the only real harm that can come to them relating to detergent usage would using too little detergent which could cause a seal failure.
We have seen several main seal failures on SQ TL washers that are still under warranty or just a year or two past warranty. In every case the customer is always using the 2nd rinse feature constantly. When you try to over rinse is less than completely soft water you leave mineral deposits behind that destroy the main water seal in this type of washer.
One of the beauties of WP built TL washers over the years is that their water seals were not directly exposed to water so they were never exposed to this type of damage.
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Post# 832430 , Reply# 137   7/15/2015 at 20:24 (3,204 days old) by maylingsmom ()   |   | |
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You can use a little 20 Mule Team Borax to soften the water. |
Post# 838400 , Reply# 140   8/26/2015 at 19:20 (3,162 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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They all have the rough finish near the seam, but some are better (or worse) than others. The grooves on my AWN542 weren't as bad as the model on the showroom floor, which also had a warped lid. At any rate, I wasn't aware of any damage to fabrics with mine. I gave the washer to a friend with kids whose old top-loader bit the dust.
Personally, I'm a fan of electronic controls. Don't know if the fill can be adjusted on the electronic model. The resident SQ experts/enthusiasts can provide more information. |
Post# 838425 , Reply# 142   8/26/2015 at 21:57 (3,162 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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As to the manual override for the fill, there is none. Also there is no way to tweak the pressure switch either. So far I've had no need for either of those things because the electronic models fill to the top row of holes anyway. |
Post# 838482 , Reply# 144   8/27/2015 at 08:09 (3,161 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Seems that you are not the only one to notice the scratching on the tub, if you follow the link and scroll down to replies 52 & 54 CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK |
Post# 838487 , Reply# 145   8/27/2015 at 09:46 (3,161 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)   |   | |
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Is this issue with the scratched tub a new issue? The post you linked to was this month... Have longstanding SQ owners also experienced this? |
Post# 838491 , Reply# 146   8/27/2015 at 10:33 (3,161 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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The scratches/grooves have been there at least as long as Alliance has been in the picture. They're not as pronounced in some tubs (as with my AWN542) but I would not have purchased the washer that was on the showroom floor at the local dealership. The grooves near the seam were deep and very sharp. The greasy residue in the tub was clearly visible and the lid was warped.
They're kind of unsightly when compared to the super-sheen of stainless steel tubs in most HE top-loaders, but you rarely hear of the grooves causing actual fabric damage. If that should occur, I'd imagine SQ would replace or repair the tub without too much of a fight. |
Post# 838495 , Reply# 147   8/27/2015 at 11:53 (3,161 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)   |   | |
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Don't drink the speed queen koolaid unless you are completely comfortable with it. Make sure you are completely comfortable. I'm not knocking speed queen, I'm just saying if something doesn't sound or look correct go with your gut. |
Post# 838499 , Reply# 148   8/27/2015 at 12:58 (3,161 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 838500 , Reply# 149   8/27/2015 at 13:19 (3,161 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Malcolm-- Your post is full of pink boxes containing the letter 'E'. What's up with that?! Here is a screen shot of it. I'm on an iPad2 using Safari. Anyone else seeing his post this way?
Update a few minutes later: Your post looks normal, now. Weird! I agree: The perfect washer still eludes us. Honestly, if the new SQ front-loader had a 4.5 cu.ft. tub, an internal water heater, a recirculating spray, and the option for a pedestal, it would get my vote for Perfect Washer in a heartbeat. |
Post# 838540 , Reply# 151   8/27/2015 at 20:26 (3,161 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 839565 , Reply# 156   9/4/2015 at 13:52 (3,153 days old) by Gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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The softener dispenser on the agitator is a passive attachment that simply spins the liquid up from the cup and holds it until spinning stops when it drains out into the center of the agitator and into the basket. While not as technologically advanced as a computer controlled dispenser on other machines, it's working as it's designed, not a defect.
I have not looked at the baskets in the showroom models for rough areas but will next time I'm there. I have no intention of buying a top load washer, I'm happy with my 1954 Speed Queen top loader and 2004 SQ front loader :-) I did notice some broken panels on the SQ display models a while back, Roger in Tuscon had this happen to his machine, but SQ fixed it under warranty and to my knowledge it hasn't happened again. You can see it right on the corner. While it could have been caused by improper moving at the store, Roger's was fine out of the box and happened within a short time after installation. I've not heard any more stories about this, perhaps Alliance rectified whatever the issue was.
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Post# 839601 , Reply# 159   9/4/2015 at 20:47 (3,153 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)   |   | |
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From 1999-2008 I had a KM WP washer with a regular FS dispenser, not an agitator attachment. Pretty sure it dispensed on command from the timer, nothing to do with spinning. |
Post# 839610 , Reply# 160   9/4/2015 at 21:45 (3,153 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Post# 847195 , Reply# 164   10/23/2015 at 12:57 (3,104 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 848750 , Reply# 166   10/30/2015 at 20:59 (3,097 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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You have made a wise choice. Nobody else will ever clean your clothes like Speed queen in a million years. Not LG, not Samsung, Not Whirlpool/Maytag, nobody. |
Post# 848986 , Reply# 167   10/31/2015 at 21:36 (3,096 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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a local store has 5 damaged new speed queens($450-600)for sale and I checked the tubs of each one-they were all good with no sharp edges,slivers,greasy film,or black deposits-so perhaps they have corrected those problems. |
Post# 854079 , Reply# 168   11/28/2015 at 19:10 (3,068 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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Post# 854453 , Reply# 170   11/30/2015 at 22:03 (3,066 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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While I agree with you that there were better top loading washers in the past than the current Speed Queens, The MT Dependable Care LAT models were certainly not one of them. The DC Helical drive MTs were a 50 YO design when WP finally pulled the plug on them in 2007.
Maytag should have redesigned this once great design instead of fooling around with Norges and Amana-Speed Queen style washers [ they just might still be in business ] LOL.
While the MT HD washers certainly look clean and simple with the front panel removed they have as many or more parts than a new SQ TL washer and are at least as difficult to repair if not more so.
Better TL washers from the recent past certainly would include higher end Kenmores, Whirlpools and Kitchenaid washers from about 1990-the early 2000s.
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Post# 854463 , Reply# 171   11/30/2015 at 23:13 (3,066 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton, Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Whirlpool's infinitely superior design must be exactly why you see dozens upon dozens of their belt drive models as opposed to Maytag machines of the same era. Oh wait........
As for the direct drive thumpathons, yes, they're prevalent, yes they're reasonably reliable, but they sound like a derailing freight train, rip clothes to bits (SHREDMORE, anybody?), are prone to agitator problems, and they're about as entertaining to watch as spackle drying. |
Post# 854486 , Reply# 172   12/1/2015 at 02:18 (3,065 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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That seals it for me---!!!WON'T buy any machine with that annoying "BEEP-BEEP" anytime a button is pushed.Drather have the mechanical controls.And can you adjust the water level on the electronic models to what YOU want-NOT what some Buerocrat wants! |
Post# 854506 , Reply# 173   12/1/2015 at 07:13 (3,065 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 855910 , Reply# 174   12/10/2015 at 01:12 (3,056 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 859053 , Reply# 176   12/30/2015 at 00:16 (3,037 days old) by Midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La)   |   | |
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Finally got to put my hands and eyes on a SQ TL yesterday. Mechanical control model. Very impressed with the build quality esp compared to some of be flimsy junk! I looked at at Lowes.
The dealer here said they're only stocking the mechanical controls bc the service guys like them better. Whatever 😳 I'm pretty sold on the electronic controls. More modern and futuristic 😉 I'm not 100% TL yet but due to space restraints I'm about 80% sure we'll do top load vs FL. The cost is somewhat of a factor too though.. I'll def post pics etc just don't know when we'll be able to get them. But def sold on Speed Queen! Just like Miatas, they're made specifically for me so why buy anything else?! 😁 |
Post# 866414 , Reply# 178   2/9/2016 at 20:32 (2,995 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 866437 , Reply# 179   2/10/2016 at 06:25 (2,994 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)   |   | |
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Dadoes, This would be good news. How did you come to learn of this? Can anyone else confirm? Yes it is a top loader. |
Post# 866443 , Reply# 180   2/10/2016 at 07:45 (2,994 days old) by billiedyer1954 (Ohio, USA)   |   | |
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the drum only turns when the washer is new. after the brakes wear in it stops. I have a 2012 model. it took mine about a month to stop. trust us, this is normal |
Post# 866459 , Reply# 181   2/10/2016 at 10:58 (2,994 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)   |   | |
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Thank you both. I spoke with alliance tech support and they confirmed. Appreciated! |
Post# 866513 , Reply# 182   2/10/2016 at 16:11 (2,994 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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all are correct. Vid 1 of my machine right after I got it. Vid 2 Vid 3 |
Post# 866577 , Reply# 183   2/10/2016 at 21:46 (2,994 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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Mine didn't index alot from the beginning but stopped completely around 7 months into owning it. |
Post# 866578 , Reply# 184   2/10/2016 at 22:04 (2,994 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)   |   | |
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Bought my Speed Queen last August the drum still moves maybe an inch back and forth but it makes a thump thump thump sound doing it...should I be concerned? |
Post# 866682 , Reply# 185   2/11/2016 at 16:22 (2,993 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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No, that's the sound of the tub moving back and forth as the brakes hold the tub during agitation. This sound is normal. Mike |
Post# 866783 , Reply# 186   2/12/2016 at 09:32 (2,992 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)   |   | |
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Mike, thank you, I can stop worrying now...I had a time getting on here to post a thank you ..this post is getting looong. Again Mike Thank You....Cheryl |
Post# 866788 , Reply# 187   2/12/2016 at 10:03 (2,992 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Enjoy your washer!! Mine is going on seven years old now. I have the AWN542. Mike |
Post# 1014331 , Reply# 188   11/13/2018 at 10:28 (1,987 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)   |   | |
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Does anyone have an awne9 with pictures of the control board and the main board? Or a service manual for the 9 series. I have an 8 series, but was looking to wire mine as a 9 series for the longer wash times. When I bought my 8 series back in Feb, they didn't have anymore 9 series left. However, I noticed that my control board is a 9 series, just with the 8 series sticker. I'm thinking the main board is a 9 series with just a different wiring configuration as well.
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Post# 1014363 , Reply# 189   11/13/2018 at 16:11 (1,987 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)   |   | |
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Here are pictures of my AWNE8 control board and main board to compare.
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Post# 1014880 , Reply# 190   11/18/2018 at 09:16 (1,982 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)   |   | |
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I wasn't able to find a service manual, but I did find a parts list! The output board and wire harnesses were all the same. The only thing different was the control board. I found a new 9 series control board on eBay and installed it. It worked! Having 3 kids, the soak feature and longer wash times come in handy. I used to have to pause my 8 series to soak and after it filled, reset it to get longer wash times. This makes it much easier on me. Anyway, I just wanted to throw this update out there for anyone that bought a 2017 Speed Queen in 2018, but wanted a 9 series and couldn't find one.
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