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Post# 830381   7/1/2015 at 20:52 (3,215 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I just got back to Canada after the wonderful trip to Boston and I just helped Paul to unload his Kenmore 600 dishwasher that Phil B. found on Craigslist. John LeFever got it for him and he brought it from Maryland to Jon's place for the wash-in.

I was just as thrilled as he was to see it running!

Thanks everyone for the help, we had a great time!

Now some pictures. I'm sure there'll be more from Paul later!






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Post# 830424 , Reply# 1   7/2/2015 at 06:22 (3,214 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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It does light up!

Glad to see you guys made it home safe and sound, I'm not sure Paul is completely out of the woods yet, he still has to hide that all his loot from Chris :-)

It was good to see you both and meet you for the first time Phil - we had a great time! Now the long wait until we see the finished show in September.


Post# 830498 , Reply# 2   7/2/2015 at 15:22 (3,214 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Lights, camera , action - any more photos or videos coming? So glad these machines are in caring hands. a

That's happiness holding happiness.


Post# 830567 , Reply# 3   7/3/2015 at 08:00 (3,213 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Phil, here's a small video I made of it.






Post# 830571 , Reply# 4   7/3/2015 at 08:41 (3,213 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ohh, I heard the snap of a drain valve!!!  Anyone know the difference between Heavy & Normal cycles? 


Post# 830579 , Reply# 5   7/3/2015 at 09:42 (3,213 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Probably supplementary heat.


Post# 830583 , Reply# 6   7/3/2015 at 10:00 (3,213 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
D&M KM TL DW

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Yay Paul glad it seems to work.

 

Hi Bob, there is no drain valve in these DWs just a reversing motor, although it does sound like a drain valve snapping open.

 

When the heavy button is pushed the timer will pause and heat the 2nd wash and final rinse to around 145-150F if needed.


Post# 830589 , Reply# 7   7/3/2015 at 11:39 (3,213 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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It has a separate drain pump like many D&M impeller dishwashers. I don't know exactly how it recirculates the water in the fixed wash arm that rotates the Roto-Rack but I guess the motor isn't a reversing type.

I didn't take pictures of the motors but I did take one showing the two timers and the wiring diagram.

Greg,
I had a great time with everyone and I really appreciated your presence. I knew you had to be a very nice person and you surpassed my expectations!
I still need to practice my English conversation skills but I really enjoyed meeting all of you in Boston. And thanks to everyone for being there and so nice with me. I hope we'll meet again soon!

John, I started to play with the fold-back units you gave me, thanks again!


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Post# 830590 , Reply# 8   7/3/2015 at 12:02 (3,213 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Oh BTW,
Greg, I just had a coffee in my new Chemex coffee pot and I followed your instructions on how to place the filter, it works great on the first use!


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Post# 830592 , Reply# 9   7/3/2015 at 12:43 (3,213 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

I used to love the Philips coffee makers. With those filter discs... the good old days...


Post# 830657 , Reply# 10   7/4/2015 at 08:48 (3,212 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Thank You Phil

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For reminding me about the separate drain pump in the D&M DW, [ I knew it didn't have a drain valve ] I only ever had one D&M KM DW similar to this one and Paul C also has this one now. I don't think D&M DWs sold real well in the early 60s and we know they didn't last long [ very few DWs did in this time period ] so by the time I was actively involved in the repair business in the early 70s very few early 60s DWs were still around with the exception of Kitchenaid machines.


Post# 830667 , Reply# 11   7/4/2015 at 10:54 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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After another mission to Vermont on Thursday, I made sure to leave myself enough time to play with my 'new' Kenmore 600 Roto-Rack dishwasher!

 

I'd love to find out when approximately the dishwasher was made.  The model number is 587.65510 and the serial is 36641 if anyone can decode them.  I'd have to guess it's early 60s (maybe 1963 or 1964). 

 

I did a bit of scrubbing to tidy up the cabinet and top - I think this dishwasher was parked next to the range in its former home 'cause there was lots of grease caked onto the right side of it.  But it seems to have cleaned up nicely and Hubby didn't blow up too badly when he saw it in the kitchen in Ogden!

 

There was one wee issue - one of the detergent cups was missing the lower release door... 


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Post# 830668 , Reply# 12   7/4/2015 at 10:56 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Fortunately, the late Larry Olmo of Modern Parts sold me a NOS one a while back.    When I dismantled the old one, though, I found the shaft for the trip lever was also snapped.   A bit of JB Weld solved that, thank goodness, and I was able to install the new cups. 

 

Adjusting the trip lever was a bit of a chore, though.  After lots of cursing, I managed to get it to release both cups. 


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Post# 830669 , Reply# 13   7/4/2015 at 11:03 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Mechanics and electrics...

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While the back cover was off, I had to investigate the guts and gizmos that make up this dishwasher. 

 

The lighted cycle progression fascinated me - I was stunned to see that it's actually a bank of neon bulbs that light as the timer progresses through the cycle!  Way more complicated than I imagined and not something I want to mess with. 

 

I was also fascinated by the second timer - I should have taken a picture of the cycle chart on the wiring diagram still stuck to the rear panel of this dishwasher but the second timer is engaged when the Heavy Wash button is pressed.  From what I could gather, the main timer will kick out until this timer completes its cycle.  I'll need to pull the chart again at some point for further study.  Oh, and of course I'll have to run a Heavy cycle to see what exactly happens at some point!!


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Post# 830671 , Reply# 14   7/4/2015 at 11:08 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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So, with the cabinet all cleaned up and new detergent dispenser cups in place, I figured it was time for a wash test!

 

The racks for the dishwasher are in amazing shape - this would make a good demo or loading practice setup, don't you think??  I couldn't recall how the cutlery baskets were placed when I took the racks out (D'OH!) but I think I got them back into the right spot... 

 

You can't see the bottom rack that well, but this was a good load of dirty dishes.   On the subject of racks, I will go on the record saying that when you aren't immediately loading and running this dishwasher, it can be a bit of an inconvenient juggling act to add dishes to the lower rack.  I wound up lifting off one whole section of the upper rack - I'm not sure how easy or convenient that will be in the long run... The front-load 600 I also have would be a lot easier (and thus gets an extra vote in its favour as the 'new' dishwasher in the new house!).


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Post# 830672 , Reply# 15   7/4/2015 at 11:10 (3,212 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
KM DW

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Hi Paul, glad the DW is working, if you look at the side of the main motor the year the motor was manufactured is stamped on.


Post# 830673 , Reply# 16   7/4/2015 at 11:17 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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And we're washing!!

 

The machine runs incredibly quietly.  I'm going to have to keep an eye on that detergent dispenser, though... It needed help for the main wash detergent dump!

 

I shot a very short video of the Roto Rack in motion (sans eau...) 

 





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Post# 830675 , Reply# 17   7/4/2015 at 11:24 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
The results....

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I only got around to unloading this morning (I HAD to go to a big garage sale... LOL)

 

At first glance, things look good.  The upper rack items are perfectly clean; no trace of yibblets!

 

On the lower rack, there was a small white bowl on the right side of the rack...  It didn't do so well. 

 

But the cutlery looks amazing.  I noticed that the final rinse was fairly long, so I guess it allows the water to get good and hot.  I love the impeller-assisted dry and note to any future Kenmore 600 owners - don't put the drain hose away until the machine shuts off!  There's a pump-out at the end of the dry cycle. 

 

All in all, I'd score this at 95%...  Let's see what happens with the Heavy Wash cycle!


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Post# 830676 , Reply# 18   7/4/2015 at 11:28 (3,212 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Good job balancing the upper rack.  Isn't it nice to have a multi-level wash impeller dishwasher?


Post# 830695 , Reply# 19   7/4/2015 at 14:58 (3,212 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Yes it is!  It was a great idea to have that extra half-arm spray for the upper rack for sure!

 

And mystery solved - it looks like it's a 1965 model.  I found a manual and parts list right here in the Manuals section.  Hooray for doctrine!! 

 

It looks like my instinct to put the cutlery baskets to the rear of the machine was correct.  Scary....    The instructions explain how the two washes are extended by 4 1/2 minutes each during the Heavy cycle and confirmed my observation about the final rinse - it does 'pause' to get the water good and hot.  

 

And You-Know-Who hasn't really kicked up a fuss so far, so I think I'm safe... LOL 

 

 


Post# 830738 , Reply# 20   7/4/2015 at 23:17 (3,212 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Nice work getting that ready for a maiden load so fast, Paul. Looks like you'll have lots of fun with that. That Norge D&M dishwasher I had last year was just about as good as your KM in the lower rack, now just imagine it without the spray tube for the Roto-Rack. Those two in combination were the best thing that D&M could have done to make that machine tolerable for most families.

Isn't that Chemex a good coffee maker? I just love mine and really should use it as a daily-driver as it's the best home-brewed coffee I've had.


Post# 830930 , Reply# 21   7/6/2015 at 01:13 (3,211 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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PhilR - thanks for the initial video.

Paul - Since vintage dishwashers are really new to me, especially viewing them in action, I love the rotating and colorful racks. There are many washes and rinses! - two washes and four rinses!? How much water does this unit pour through? :-)

Another fun toy.


Post# 830934 , Reply# 22   7/6/2015 at 01:45 (3,211 days old) by spiralator60 (Los Angeles)        

Paul,

How long does the manual say that the cycle that you tested should take?


Post# 830945 , Reply# 23   7/6/2015 at 07:17 (3,210 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
YOU people and

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your RotoRacks ! 

 

Although gotta love that indicator light system and an awesome backsplash too.

 

 


Post# 830998 , Reply# 24   7/6/2015 at 14:20 (3,210 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Greg:  I had to make this machine kitchen-ready fast so that someone didn't get a chance to complain too much... Amazingly, he did notice that it replaced a Coppertone GE Mobile Maid... LOL 

 

Phil B:  According to the Sears manual for this dishwasher, it uses 13.2 gallons for a full cycle - that's not too bad for all those washes and rinses!  BUT, in contrast, the '56 GE pull-out in the Kitchen Center uses 6.5 gallons for a full cycle (pre-wash, two rinses, main wash, three final rinses) - I guess the extra water is needed to provide adequate circulation to that upper spray arm.  

 

Darryl:  Per the Sears manual, the Normal Soil cycle is timed at 45 minutes plus the time required to heat up the water in the final rinse.  I wasn't timing it precisely but it seemed to me that it took about 50 minutes.   The Heavy cycle is timed at 54 1/2 minutes plus any additional time to heat water for that final rinse.   I'm planning on trying the Heavy cycle on the next run!

 

Jon:  Dang it, I knew I should have challenged you to a Jet-Tower V. Roto-Rack dishwasher duel.... (ducks and runs)

 


Post# 831498 , Reply# 25   7/9/2015 at 06:59 (3,207 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
You're on Paul

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Bring it on!! Holla JetTower Living

 

 



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