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Thread Number: 60409
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Is there any kind of consensus on what the most reliable FL washer is today? |
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| Post# 830687 , Reply# 1 7/4/2015 at 14:18 (3,211 days old) by midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La) | ||
My 3 cents, LG has shown to be a very high quality machine in construction, materials, design, value, and of course cleaning ability. If you don't try to out smart the machines cycles and let it work the way it was designed to work, it cleans amazingly well.
Yes I run the sink next to it to flush the cold water in the hot tap, I use a scoop of baking soda in the prewash cup, without the prewash cycle, the proper amount of detergent by the cup's measurement and usually add a second rinse with a single or maybe double upgrade on soil level. 2 tablespoons of bleach for whites in the bleach dispenser is all it needs to clean unbelievably well. I didn't spend any more than I had to and bought the more basic model for about $600. It's missing the chrome trim and steam cycle which would probably be nice to have but it's no different inside (are any of us?!) ;) Hope this review helps, and remember some Kenmores are made by LG and Samsung is the same company.
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| Post# 830689 , Reply# 2 7/4/2015 at 14:20 (3,211 days old) by midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La) | ||
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Post# 830701 , Reply# 3 7/4/2015 at 17:49 (3,211 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 830708 , Reply# 6 7/4/2015 at 18:35 (3,211 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Why I need to consider Today's HEFL Washin' Machines I'm more and more thinking of getting one of these fancy front loaders,myself...
I'm satisfied w/ my '90's K-M Top Loader, but get a little lost when I have to wash blankets, towels and bed sheets, if for no reason than to see what will fit & stay balanced...
Front-loaders are a lot less fussy w/ unbalanced loads & it's very rare for them to really occur... And rising water costs (let's face it--water shortages, too!) constitute a machine that can wash more & in terms of water usage, wash with less...
And another thing is capacity & how well the washer can treat our mattress pad, which is really long-overdue for getting replaced but it along w/ a few blankets and bed spreads, have a few holes punched in them from our top loader, that even one of these literally fill the entire tub of... (And much of it remains over the top of the agitator throughout the washing cycle, so I experience a rather dubious, if not late roll-over, from the albeit over-worked agitation...)
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Post# 830714 , Reply# 7 7/4/2015 at 19:40 (3,211 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 830722 , Reply# 8 7/4/2015 at 21:15 (3,211 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Front-loaders are a lot less fussy w/ unbalanced loads .....
Well yes and no.
Much depends upon the washer in question in particular build quality and how it has been programmed (for partially and or fully electronically controlled) to deal with out of balance loads. My older electronically controlled but with a mechanical timer will try to adjust unbalanced loads to a point, however when the timer says it is time to spin that is what the machine will do banging and clanging away. Since one is never far from the machine when in operation am there to stop and sort the machine out. The newer AEG is totally computer controlled and will deal with unbalanced loads in a variety of methods. These range from not spinning, slowing down the spin, aborting a spin and then attempting to redistribute the load... Problem many complained about with early SQ front loaders was the vibration and other problems as a result of unbalanced spins. Alliance IIRC basically took their quasi-commercial OPL laundry machine and resold it for domestic use. However those machines are happiest on rock solid flooring. Anything less and there maybe objections from the washer such as vibration issues and so forth. Large bulky items such as some types of blankets, duvets, pillows, and so forth can either be fine in some front loaders or cause all sorts of issues. I no longer even try to do heavy cotton Peacock Alley cotton blankets in my Miele. They always ball up and or create a mass that sends the machine into a "bang" as it starts spinning. Either do them in the AEG, take to the Laundromat or simply wash in the Miele without interim or final extraction. For the last bit sopping wet blanket taken into a tub and put through the mangle. | ||
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Post# 830723 , Reply# 9 7/4/2015 at 21:16 (3,211 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I purchased an LG WM3170CW approx 6 weeks ago,it is very similar to the LG FL in Midcentury Nurses post. I totally agree with what he has to say in his post. I've found that it cleans very well, uses much less water than the GE TL that it replaced. It does take a little longer to wash, but this is more than made up in the decreased dry time, Also, our electric bill was $26.00 less this last bill than for the same time period last year. I wash almost every load on Hot. I have washed our king size down comforter, king size quilted bedspread, 2 king size pillows at once and the king size mattress pad using the bulky cycle, all with no problems. So far I'm very happy with this purchase. Over the last 45 years I've owned every type of washer, wringer, twin tub, portable TL, full size TL and FL's. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I would make my choice based upon what your needs are at the time and what you are willing to, or can pay.
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Post# 830724 , Reply# 10 7/4/2015 at 21:19 (3,211 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Pets and their hair
You may find some front-loading washing machines not best for removing dog or cat hair. This may or may not be a bother especially if you tumble dry things afterwards, but that still will leave you with a washer that needs cleaning out.
Even commercial front-loaders in Laundromats aren't that much better. Have seen either service wash or persons doing their own loads with pet hair sodden laundry. The tub and glass porthole is always covered in hair afterwards. Worse you can see all that hair when the next load is being done covering the glass and clothing. The attendant if he is in the mood will run a cycle to clean out the washer after doing a service wash full of pet hair. | ||
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Post# 830727 , Reply# 11 7/4/2015 at 21:39 (3,211 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Maytag MHW5100 and its companion dryer should come in at around $2,000. You can also mate it with the model 3100 dryer which is less expensive. 4.5 cu.ft. capacity will handle king-size comforter. The washer has an internal water heater and a sanitize cycle for times when truly hot water is required. Cleaning performance rated excellent by Consumer Reports. Made in the USA. Reliable.
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| Post# 830788 , Reply# 14 7/5/2015 at 08:16 (3,211 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 830808 , Reply# 16 7/5/2015 at 10:15 (3,211 days old) by midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La) | ||
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I'll admit the next set we buy for the new house in a couple of months is either the SQ FL which I'm leaning about 75% towards or going back with the same LG FL. The door openings would be correct for the SQ too... But yea the dog hair does need to be wiped out after washing their bed and blankets. I wipe it with a damp cloth then rinse it in the sink. Idk what else to do about that but everything else is great so not a big deal for me.
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Post# 830810 , Reply# 17 7/5/2015 at 10:23 (3,211 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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When Alliance Put Speed Queen Back Into Domestic
Laundry they never said it would be the most feature/frilled packed things in the market. Rather they point to the commercial heritage and construction which bodes for a long product life.
From what one has seen SQ front loaders are not much different than when Alliance first brought them out; on premises laundry (OPL) machines with slightly different styling and perhaps features geared to the domestic side. If your way of doing laundry is up this street then SQ washers are probably good value. OTOH if you want something with twenty thousand cycles, can do profile washes from -32F to 212F and so forth, then perhaps not. | ||
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Post# 830811 , Reply# 18 7/5/2015 at 10:24 (3,211 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 830830 , Reply# 20 7/5/2015 at 12:08 (3,211 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
Well I bought an LG 3570 front load washer and dryer and they both perform nicely. You do not need to spend $2000 on a washer and dryer set to get a reliable washer and dryer. LG's are consistently #1 in reliability for their front load washer and dryers. These can be stacked and they also do quite well with pet hair and since I have 4 cats, I know!
On the washer I use the TurboWash feature that recirculates the water onto the load by using two jet nozzles in the front, it also uses an overhead jet to spray rinse the load during the final rinse. That jet spray kicks on for 2 minutes in the final spin, it also sprays during the first spin and if you add rinses, you can add up to 3 deep rinses, it will spray rinse during each spin. Stain removal has been superb. I use Persil in the washer and the results have been amazing. The washer also extracts water well. The high speed final spin speed is a cool 1200 rpm. The Ex High spin is 1300 rpm. I find more wrinkling occurring at that speed than 1200 and no difference in extraction. The washer isn't shy about using water either. The only thing I would suggest is that if you have high water pressure like we have here, is to get water hammer arresters and put them between the washer and hoses. This washer likes to use rapid opening and closing of the water valves during the wash cycle. The dryer is equally impressive. Its very quick in drying and quite accurate in sensing. It uses tow systems...one is electronic to feel the moisture in the fabrics and the other is a humidity sensor. They work very well together and I never have to use more than a Normal dryness setting. The Sensor cycles have preset temps that you cannot change. Cotton/Normal uses a Medium Temp and it works quite well even for jeans. Towels uses Mid High Temp and Perm Press uses a Low Temp. The dryer will also show a preset time like 41 mins for Cotton, 34 mins for Perm Press and 55 mins for Towels. The dryer will add time or subtract time based on load size, and how fast the load is drying. I find most loads finish way before the washer ends. The washer also weighs the load and bases the cycle time on that weight. I have seen some loads take as little as 35 mins on Cotton Normal and close to 1hr 20 for a large load. The other nice thing is that they are both quiet. The dryer is perhaps the quietest I have ever used. The washer is equally quiet and the drain pump is almost silent. The build on these are quite nice as well. | ||
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Post# 830836 , Reply# 21 7/5/2015 at 12:35 (3,211 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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OTOH if you want something with twenty thousand cycles...
That reminds me: A dozen specialty cycles lurk in a 2nd tier menu on my Frigidaire front-loader. Have never used them, but I believe one is for pet bedding. Now that I have cats, I should give it a whirl. It's probably just a regular cycle with an extra rinse, knowing Frigidaire, LOL.
To answer the question posed in your thread title: No, there isn't a consensus on the best washer. Most will agree that Speed Queen front-loaders will give decades of service, mainly because they are designed to be repaired, unlike many other brands, whose machines are designed to be replaced when something goes awry. The lack of an internal water heater, a truly long cycle for heavily stained loads, and relatively small capacity by today's standards keep me from purchasing a SQ. I love my Frigidaire, which hasn't skipped a beat in 5.5 years of service, but as with most brands, some will rave, while others will share horrible experiences.
At any rate, let us know what you wind up purchasing. We're a curious lot. | ||
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Post# 830881 , Reply# 22 7/5/2015 at 17:35 (3,210 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Actually, the new SQ FL with the touch-pad controls has great flexibility and options. | ||
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Post# 830884 , Reply# 23 7/5/2015 at 17:56 (3,210 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 830904 , Reply# 24 7/5/2015 at 19:33 (3,210 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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Frigilux, I've actually found the "pet beds" cycle to be quite useful. It works much like "heavy" with the steam and heater modifiers selected. It times out around an hour and a half. It seems like it uses a bit more water too. I wash our soft sided dog beds on this cycle frequently, seems to do better than just using "heavy".
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| Post# 830983 , Reply# 26 7/6/2015 at 12:12 (3,210 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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Isin't dynamic balancing just a balancing ring? I'm almost sure every washer right now has one. | ||
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Post# 830984 , Reply# 27 7/6/2015 at 12:26 (3,210 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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SQ has definitely stepped up their game in the front-load division. I'd love to see their impressive new machine scale up the ratings at CR. My Frigidaire has a 3.9 cu. ft. drum and I often wish it was 4.5 as in the new Maytag and Whirlpool models. They've added a lot of cycle flexibility, too. HELLO ALLIANCE: Give us an internal heater with the ability to heat to 150 degrees, please!
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| Post# 830993 , Reply# 32 7/6/2015 at 13:48 (3,210 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
 L G Tromm Best washing Best rinsing Best spinning Highest rank for most durable,most dependable Reasonably priced. Button catcher neither SQ nor any Whirlpool or Electrolux made front loaders have accessibility to. It saves the pump from failing. Just clean it out once a month. I now own seven of them including the WM8800 a thirty inch wide 5.0 cu ft model. They all work fine. I just got two more one is red the other is silver and has a square window. I'll pick them up next Thursday.usually, the pump is the problem or the door lock is bad making them not spin. Both come from abuse and neglect.
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| Post# 831003 , Reply# 33 7/6/2015 at 15:09 (3,209 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Hey washerdude
I remember you mentioned the Eco Sanitize cycle on another post and I thought I remembered you saying how much water it uses. Who would have thought a cycle with ECO in it would use that much water! I love how you said it sloshes them around like you would see in a FL laundromat washer. I never see that kind of action with ANY cycle on my 2005 Duet washer except for the clean washer cycle.
I think I would go for Maytag FL washer or WP FL washer. | ||
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Post# 831120 , Reply# 36 7/7/2015 at 05:41 (3,209 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I've steered a few people to similar LG models and they are very happy with them. LG's reliability has improved greatly in the past few years, so unless you're washing bowling balls there shouldn't be a problem. The 3570 is highly-rated by Consumer Reports with a rating of Excellent for cleaning, and LG front-loaders are reported as needing the fewest repairs (Speed Queen is not on the list for front-loaders, but ties with LG for reliability in top-loaders).
Speed Queen has ardent fans at this site because of the truly commercial-quality build. They clean no better than the model you're considering. I give more thought to 'Made In America' than I used to, which is why I now suggest (and would purchase for myself) Maytag. They're made here and parent corporation Whirlpool is an American company. Glad our suggestions were of assistance and happy laundering to you! | ||
| Post# 831180 , Reply# 37 7/7/2015 at 10:33 (3,209 days old) by mr_b () | ||
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Caruso - I think you summed it up perfectly. I think you should go for the LG. | ||
| Post# 831303 , Reply# 38 7/7/2015 at 22:03 (3,208 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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The thing with the LG's is that for the price and what you get for that price is good value. The LG has a water heater, the SQ does not. One might think they don't need a heater but it comes in handy in maintaining wash temps and on certain cycles like Bright Whites, it does a profile wash where when one chooses a Hot wash temp, the water starts out warm and the heater raises the temp so stains that release at a certain temp, don't get cooked into the fabrics. One can also add Steam if one chooses and that boosts the wash temp. I have used the Steam option once and it does quite well but I find that just the Bright Whites cycle with the TurboWash option does quite well without the steam.
The LG drum is bigger too at 4.3 cu ft and uses a Direct Drive motor, SQ uses the old belt and pulley method. The LG motor allows for the washer to have what they call 6 Motion instead of a constant tumble like the SQ washer does. The LG also does a final spin spray rinse in Cotton Normal and that flushes away every trace of detergent yet leaves the softener in the fabrics, it also rinses the door glass down too. Balancing on the LG they use whats called True Balance AntiVibration system. This washer can figure out how a load is in the drum and do certain drum rotations to distribute the load evenly around the drum. Its interesting to watch.This washer was rated very well and for the price and its often on sale at Sears and other retailers for a good price. The LG dryer is very efficient at its task of drying laundry and its fast. We had a GE Profile dryer that was electric and my electric bill for my laundry area ran about $50 a month. With the LG dryer the cost has been knocked down to $28 a month now. It has more finesse than the GE did and the loads emerge from the dryer wrinkle free. But one bit though, the dryer does match the washer load for load since I do not overload my washer, but when washing a capacity load in the washer I will split the load so it dries properly. The manual suggests that idea. At 7.4 cu ft it should do well with most everything one has in the house. Comforters are dried on Large/Bulky and that cycle does amaze. The drying system on the LG reminds me of a Maytag Stream of Heat dryer where the heat intake is for the drum is in the upper right corner of the drum and the airflow is pulled to the front at 215 cfm. The vanes are tapered and loads like sheets rarely ball up. The clothes tumble into the rapid airflow , billowing open and riding the stream of air to the front. The lint filter is well made and sturdy. Its not a fine mesh so one can use dryer sheets if one uses them without worry of the wax plugging up the pores of the filter. | ||
| Post# 831380 , Reply# 39 7/8/2015 at 13:09 (3,208 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
my two-cents worth
Although I may be slapped by the SQ enthusiasts, I chose and recommend an LG front load washer. The SQ is certainly built like a commercial grade tank, but quite honestly it is very basic and did not offer the features I wanted.
I went with the LG 3570 and feel the features it has combined with the price made for a "best buy" for me. I've been extremely pleased with its performance and if it lasts 10 years I'll be happy and feel I got my money's worth. I figured why pay twice as much for a machine that may last twice as long but is not what I want? | ||
| Post# 831396 , Reply# 40 7/8/2015 at 14:40 (3,207 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I think you made a good choice
don't get me wrong. I know SQ's are very well made machines, but they don't have a heater and lack features. If it were me, I would have probably chosen LG, Maytag or Whirlpool in hopes that they would last 10 years. Someone mentioned earlier on another post that heaters in washers will be going away and we will all be washing in cold water! YUK! I hope not!
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| Post# 831398 , Reply# 41 7/8/2015 at 14:50 (3,207 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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The thing i like the most about LG's is that not only does it have a heater, but also has nice sprays. | ||
| Post# 831431 , Reply# 42 7/8/2015 at 18:35 (3,207 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
I opt for a SQ FL because..
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I spent a lot of time figuring out the purchase and didn't want to do it again for about 20 yrs. No kiddin'..20 will be soon enough to eff with it all again for me. Now clearly many like to put in a new machine to spice things up but not me. SQ was the only option if you want to run 'em old school..for decades at a pop. Also I don't want a heater, huge capacity, or a "Every which way but loose" cycle options as Laundress has already pointed out. We even opted for the knobs model which offers even fewer options than the electronic. I appreciate some need to wash dog beds and multiple King sized comforters for some reason but IMO that's why god invented Laundromats. I think the better question is, if you want to buy a disposable FL machine, which will give you the most service? I say disposable in a non judgmental way. Because they are cheaper, and according to reviewed.com at least, can wash much better. So if you got a solid 10-12 years why not? I couldn't find many non SQ FL owners claiming such longevity, and even when they did the model was no longer available. | ||
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Post# 831437 , Reply# 43 7/8/2015 at 19:28 (3,207 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Maybe it is just me
But see no need to subject either of my front loaders to doing large bulky items like comforters or quilts. That is what laundromats are there for.
Belts v. Direct Drive. Maybe because am just a silly thing that doesn't know nothing about nothing, but never understood why direct drive is supposedly superior to belts when it comes to front loaders. There are such machines decades old that have never required new belts. What are persons doing to their machines out there? | ||
| Post# 831441 , Reply# 44 7/8/2015 at 19:44 (3,207 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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| Post# 831443 , Reply# 45 7/8/2015 at 19:46 (3,207 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Seriously, though, I can see this argument, and indeed have probably made it myself. For day to day laundry, in fact, I can see advantages of lower capacity (thinking I live alone, don't have an endless supply of clothes or linens, and think that running a washer near capacity probably works better than 1/10th capacity). Big items are just not a routine thing.
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Post# 831482 , Reply# 46 7/9/2015 at 01:42 (3,207 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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I always thought that ALL commercial-industrial FL washers were belted drive. | ||
| Post# 831504 , Reply# 48 7/9/2015 at 07:36 (3,207 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Another though about longevity | ||
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Post# 831512 , Reply# 50 7/9/2015 at 10:04 (3,207 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I wash two queen-size comforters regularly; mine about once a month and the cats' every two or three weeks. Each fits in the 3.9 cu. ft. drum of my 2010 Frigidaire. When I replace them it will be with a Maytag 8100, which has a 4.5 cu. ft. drum but the footprint of a regular washer, so it fits through the smallish doorway of the laundry room.
The behemoths from LG and Samsung are several inches too wide for my house. The TOL GE (with the built-in riser "RightHeight") is only about an inch wider than the Maytag, and has a 4.8 cu. ft. drum, but I'm not buying anything GE until the dust settles on who will acquire them. Plus, the Maytag scores higher at CR for cleaning and has a better reliability rating. This post was last edited 07/09/2015 at 13:04 | ||
| Post# 831558 , Reply# 52 7/9/2015 at 17:23 (3,206 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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good advice on child safety
PassatDoc raises a valid point to keep your laundry area secure and off-limits to kids. A top load washer is a danger too, maybe even a bigger one. I read of a toddler who pushed a chair up to a top loader in operation, opened the lid and toppled into it and drowned.
I have first hand experience what kids can get into. As a two year old child I pushed a chair up to our washing machine (a wringer washer -- giving away my age here) and managed to turn the wringer on get my hand and arm pulled into the rollers. My screams alerted my mom who rescued me. Although I was injured and taken to a hospital, my arm remained intact and I lived to tell the tale. So don't underestimate what your kids can get into at that age. Best wishes! | ||
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Post# 831563 , Reply# 53 7/9/2015 at 17:32 (3,206 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"It's not like they need washed all that often either - I use covers on them."
Have never understood the American fascination with laundering down filled duvets so often. The things are supposed to be encased in a cover for many reasons one of which is to keep them clean. Guess if one is doing things on top of the bed one shouldn't such as sitting, eating, drinking or whatever there might be a case for frequent laundering as accidents are bound to happen. However was brought up as a child and reinforced via my nursing training that one does not sit on beds. In much of northern European countries where eider-downs predate washing machines proper care long as been down to a science. One takes the thing off each morning or every other and it goes outside on the railing (best) or over a rack/chair in bedroom to air. Afterwards replaced onto bed. | ||
| Post# 831586 , Reply# 54 7/9/2015 at 20:22 (3,206 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
...American fascination with laundering down filled duvets s I couldn't agree more.
With one exception, all of our quilts are a goose/duck down combination. They're expensive and not designed to be constantly washed.
Nor, should I add, do they need to be when used properly with covers and sheet sets.
The sheets are in contact with our bodies so get washed weekly. The covers only get washed every 3-4 weeks or so. They're not exactly dirty as they have little that comes into contact with them. Even our dogs are only on the bed for 10 minutes a day...and they're of the non-moult variety.
I've never understood the desire to constantly launder items that, in the general course of use, don't actually get soiled.
Clothes, with the exception of underwear, towels and other linens are more than capable of being worn or used several times before requiring a run through the washing machine. Outer garments and towels in particular. Over washing tends to be something that is becoming more and more prevalent as time marches on.
Why does a bath towel, that's removed clean water from a clean body require washing straight away? Aired to dry it will be good for at least 4 days even in winter and more like a week in summer. If they develop an odour in that time, then it's the laundering, airing or products people use at fault.
My mother considers it excessive in the extreme to be using more than 2 bath towels a week and my grandmother would be spinning in her grave at the thought of washing quilts more than annually (if then). | ||
| Post# 831589 , Reply# 55 7/9/2015 at 20:36 (3,206 days old) by mr_b () | ||
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We Americans... We Americans are not fascinated with washing this stuff often. We Americans wash this stuff often for the same reason we went to the Moon. Because we can! LOL. | ||
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Post# 831591 , Reply# 57 7/9/2015 at 20:53 (3,206 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Here is the thing
Like down/feather filled pillows laundering duvets really does not give the deep down cleaning many seem to aspire.
The things are sealed in feather or down proof ticking for a reason. To keep that stuff inside. Even when wet the dust, dust mites and their dander or whatever, broken feathers/down, dust or anything else is not coming out of the cover. Truly proper way to clean filled pillows (which by the way receive more exposure to soils than duvets ever) is to open them up and take stuffing out. The feathers and or down are cleaned separately from the cover so each can receive proper attention. This also allows for complete and total drying of the filling easily before being put back into the shell. Years ago one could purchase pillow ticking fabric by the yard so one could run up new shells at home. That and or ready made but empty shells could be purchased from a variety of sources including Sears catalogs. These looked like large pillow slips except open fully or a small portion of the top. You took the down and or feathers out of the old shell, cleaned if necessary then replaced in a new shell, then sewed the thing closed by hand or machine. Today there are services which will do the same and you can still find ready made empty pillow shells. | ||
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Post# 831593 , Reply# 58 7/9/2015 at 20:59 (3,206 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Passatdoc and others
Am not picking on anyone in particular, just have never understood the American desire for washing machines large enough to launder items best done in a commercial version.
Most households in Europe know when they are best off. Large and or bulky items are usually sent out or done in a laundromat if they require attention. | ||
| Post# 831610 , Reply# 59 7/10/2015 at 00:07 (3,206 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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IMHO I now own six LG front loaders. All but one had minor issues once I got them home. I get all of them from a local used appliance dealer,Smith's. They hate all front loaders and are staying on that Kebmore/Whirlpool/Maytag syndrome. My worst one being a WA3941CW. It has the steam feature, 1400 TPM final spin ,a recirculation spray and had to be completely overhauled. Everything replaced. The drum, the motors,the mother board,the bearings,the pump, and the drum light. I paid $350 for the labor and parts were free. The others needed door lock assembly, New pump, new boot or new front from rust due to customers pouring bleach like there's no tomorrow overselling the tray causing it to run down the front causing immediate corrosion and rust. Now they all work fine and look brand new. I have two others to pick up and check. One is red,the other blue and has a square window. My friend, Bob, is a registered LG technician and gets me parts cheap enough to make it worth repairing. I have only one unit that broke down but, it was my own fault for attempting to wash four dinner rugs at a time. The machine went severely off balance breaking the pressure switch off the drum. I had to get a new part and replace the broken one ($34) and it now is back in service. Speed Queens are great. I won't say anything bad about them however,their capacity is too small for me, I would NEVER pay that price for ANY appliance. Even if it had diamonds lining the rear of the inner tub. I have been totally spoiled having the LG WM8000. A huge 5.0 capacity washer and the DE8000 electric dryer with a 9cu ft capacity. THEY'RE HUGE!!!! 30" wide. And they are my absolute favorite set. I found them on CL about a year ago for $999. I told the previous owner I had only $700 and got them. The previous owner delve them here from Captain Cook. About fifty nine miles one way. Great pair of beautiful laundry equipment. Speaking of which, I just received a never used solid stainless steel Westinghouse Laundromat ink press that has the three ladies loading and unloading their laundry at the local Westinghouse Laundromat. And a turquoise porcelain on steel washing machine (front loading) with a cartoon baby in the front with a clear plastic disc that turns and has bubbles printed on it to make the character look like their getting a spin on laundry.
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Post# 831612 , Reply# 60 7/10/2015 at 00:34 (3,206 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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I can sort of remember vacuum cleaners came by to help with pillow stuffing freshening-beleive both Kirby and Hoover did this.You would remove the old stuffing-clean it or whatever than use the Kirby or Hoover to blow the stuffing into the new pillow cover.Now you no longer see this sort of thing. | ||
| Post# 831618 , Reply# 62 7/10/2015 at 01:26 (3,206 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
Direct Drive V Belt
I can see absolutely no advantage to direct drive, The way LG and other companies go on about it you would think they had invented the wheel.
The technology used on the motor I can date back to the early 1970s. 10 year warranty on the motor, so there should be as there is bugger all to it, if the seal fails and the bearings go this is likely to take out the stator coils on the motor which of course will not then be replaced under warranty. All the LGs that came into work had shot bearings, lots of gizmos and styling touches but when you look inside them, just the usual mediocre build quality like every other similar priced machine Washing quilts As I have an old fashioned small capacity high water level machine I have no need of jets and umpteen wash action etc. So when it comes to washing quilts I have two summer quilts that I clip together in the winter, I can wash one of these at a time in my machine on a 60o cottons wash, it takes 1 hour 15 minutes and because of the high water levels it is washed and rinsed perfectly. I had to stop using feather pillows, so these synthetic filled ones are a doddle to wash as aswell, I put two in around the walls of the tub and use a 40o delicates wash which is a very high (half way up the door) water level Pets Wash We have a large selection of towels and sweat shirts that the cats (3) sleep on, they are washed on a 60o cottons and I have never had a problem of fur build up in the machine, there is some times a little hair left on them so I can put them in the dryer on no heat and any hair gets blown onto the filter So much emphasis is placed on features now days yet very little is spoken about how well the machine is made or its life expectancy. From what I can gather it SQ score highly on build quality and longevity so they would be who I would go for, little point in buying a glitter box if that's all it turns out to be in the long run That's my thoughts Gary Ps I remember in an old Hoover vacuum cleaner book it showed a pillow being puffed up with the air from the cleaner, it involved undoing a few stitches so you could get the nozzle end inside the pillow and switching on, oh and of course using the Blow facility :-).............. | ||
| Post# 831657 , Reply# 63 7/10/2015 at 09:33 (3,206 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
10 Year Warrantee  | ||
| Post# 831665 , Reply# 65 7/10/2015 at 10:55 (3,206 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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10 Year Warranty | ||
| Post# 831667 , Reply# 66 7/10/2015 at 11:33 (3,206 days old) by A440 () | ||
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I notice the LG WM3570 is not on the LG Website any longer and is "not available" at most stores in the Atlanta area. Did the WM4070 replace it? | ||
| Post# 831694 , Reply# 67 7/10/2015 at 13:29 (3,206 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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EOL | ||
| Post# 831701 , Reply# 68 7/10/2015 at 14:09 (3,205 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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End Of Life | ||
| Post# 831725 , Reply# 69 7/10/2015 at 16:08 (3,205 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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Exactly Mark..
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I don't have a technician friend or connections in the industry etc..and so I knew with the SQ basic parts will be around for a long time. Whereas with the other more plasticky makes I was far less certain. Constantly EOLing machines and limiting parts interchangeability is a factor to consider when one wants to run a machine over a longer period of time. | ||
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Post# 831764 , Reply# 70 7/10/2015 at 20:49 (3,205 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Rationale behind my maddness is this
H-Axis washing machines work best and are happiest when filled (but not overly so) to capacity. So many things such as balancing loads and so forth go on much better under "normal" cycles when done this way.
Purchasing washer with 18lbs capacity then for the odd times you wash something bulky does not make sense a Moi. If the machine is able to balance the load properly then suppose that is all very well. However it cannot is risks subjecting the washer to forces best avoided. My Miele repairman tells of washers he has seen that literally smashed themselves to bits doing something bulky. That is with Miele washers who use pretty industrial quality shock absorbers. | ||
| Post# 831866 , Reply# 71 7/11/2015 at 14:13 (3,204 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I HATE going to the laundromat
with a red hot purple pink passion!
Frankly, Everything I own can fit in my Duet. For example, I purposely do NOT buy comforters, but instead bedspreads for beds. Comforters are so thick and have so much air in them but a bedspread does not and it can be washed much more easily - even a king bedspread. I did have a comforter once that I got rid of (I honestly can't remember why), but it packed my DUET so full it had zero room to tumble and I know it did not get clean. It was just too big. But pretty much everything I own that needs laundering can go into my Duet. The pillows for the sofa are a little iffy, since they can be ruined from washing them.....But someone had mentioned putting them in the bathtub and washing them with detergent and rinsing them, then throwing them into the washer to spin, and that works GREAT..... I agree with FL washers being happiest not overloaded, but not under loaded....about 1/2 full when items are wet......which is usually (not always) the case with mine. | ||
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Post# 831887 , Reply# 72 7/11/2015 at 17:31 (3,204 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC
Commercial laundry industry standard for a properly loaded front loading washer is that the load tumble from "11 to 4" on the clock or something like that. You want to give room for things to "slap" or drop against the tub as it turns for best possible cleaning.
Problem one has with laundromat washers and bulky items is they often do not spin until after the main wash. Thus during pre-wash and main cycle down filled items mostly float about due to the trapped air. It is fun to watch that first spin as large amounts of water and air are expelled. Am not a huge fan of laundromats either, but having seen the forces from a king sized duvet act upon even a bolted down machine, just don't want to risk either my Miele or AEG. | ||
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Post# 832056 , Reply# 73 7/13/2015 at 05:22 (3,203 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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feather pillows
I agree with Launderess...I don't need a behemoth of a washer. I'd rather wash laundry more often than have to wait a whole week for enough clothes to almost balance correctly (flashback Samsungtag Neptune).
I am allergic to feathers...but I can NOT sleep on those poly-filled ones. So 25 years ago I started washing the feather pillows twice a year in hot water and bleach. When I got my Asko, I figured out a way to get rid of the air. I place 2 in the washer, fill it with hot water, let it slosh around for a while air and all. I can see the feathers are wet inside, then I turn it to a rapid spin for a few minutes. Then I start a cycle with the detergent and bleach and it will then absorb into the pillows and wash great. I love my smaller capacity machine. There are two of us with 3 cats who shed and we have no hair issues at all. When I finish my 3- 12hour shifts (4 if I get called in) I have scrubs to wash which consist of scrub top, bottoms, jacket, and T shirt plus whatever Tony has worn. We usually fill our washer full and have never had anything not come out clean! It can add water as needed to about half way up the door glass so everything gets wet! I don't like Laundromats either, but I do make a trip at least once a year to wash all the king-sized quilts and comforters as well as our 5x7 area rug from the living room..it just simply won't fit into the Asko no matter how I try! | ||
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