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Thread Number: 60448
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
Which Miele dishwasher? |
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Post# 831070 , Reply# 1 7/6/2015 at 22:28 (3,215 days old) by foraloysius  (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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If noise is an issue, for instance in an open kitchen or a country kitchen, you should go for the more expensive model, with the possibility to use the 38dB programme, the noise difference is quite significant.
I noticed there is more cashback on the more expensive model, so the price difference is a bit smaller. I like the cutlery tray. I have a G4210SC, had to get used to the tray, but in the end I think I prefer it over a basket. Loading is a bit more of a hassle, but unloading goes faster. And cutlery never spoons. That said, you can live very well with a basic Miele dishwasher. | ||
| Post# 831178 , Reply# 4 7/7/2015 at 10:04 (3,215 days old) by KrisIrl () | ||
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That's a really good point - the G6410 has lots of wine glass storage in the lower rack! Thanks for pointing that out :-) I think it's worth spending a little extra and going for the better model | ||
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Post# 831210 , Reply# 5 7/7/2015 at 13:21 (3,215 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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G4920BK
Kris
Actually I have recently bought a G4920BK in stainless steel, which replaced a G646SC from 2002. I LOVE IT!!!! In spite of being a basic model it has a good selection of programmes and all seem to work well - time saver option on all of them too and a delay start can be programmed - great for me as I have solar panels so I can set it to come on in the early hours while nothing else is running. All programmes seem to work fine (everything has been spotless)and it has a 75C intensive wash where the max on the 646 was 65C. The 646 had a cutlery tray and I was a bit dismayed to find that this one did not. But do you know, the basket is fine. There are slots all around the edge so you can sort spoons and forks just as you would in the tray and in my new kitchen the cutlery drawer is further away from the dishwasher than before so it is really convenient to just lift out the basket and take it over to the drawer. The extra space above the top basket is so useful. Wine glasses were always a challenge in the G646, no longer a problem. The top rack can be raised or lowered independently on each side but even with it lowered on one side there is still room for my large dinner plates below it. It is very quiet in operation, with everything off in the kitchen you can just hear it but once the radio is on or even when the central heating boiler cuts in you cannot hear it at all so, if you have an open plan situation I would say you would have no problem at all. I can 100% recommend it and I don't think I would choose another model over it, I am completely satisfied with it. Al | ||
| Post# 831235 , Reply# 6 7/7/2015 at 15:27 (3,214 days old) by KrisIrl () | ||
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Hi Al. Thanks for the info and the pics. Very impressed with the dishwasher. Think the G4920 will suit me fine. Very glad to hear you are so happy with it. Kris :-) | ||
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Post# 831488 , Reply# 9 7/9/2015 at 06:05 (3,213 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Racks
The racks in the G4920 are completely different to those in my 2002 G646 machine - there are pictures below are of it, albeit full of dishes. I actually find the G4920 somewhat more flexible and, although I have not actually tried it, it looks like the plate rack from the front is removable which they certainly were not in my old machine.
I liked the cutlery tray in the old machine and was always careful to sort out the cutlery while loading, if nothing else it saved sorting it afterwards. But, as you can see from my photos back up the thread you can be as OCD as you like even with the basket as you can sort spoons and forks round the edge of it, my knives are too big to fit in there, they have to go into the middle. And as I noted above, if your cutlery drawer is close to the dishwasher a third level rack fine but if not (and for a period of time while sorting out my kitchen the old DW was in the utility room) it can be a pain in the ass constantly walking back and forward between the two. Looking at the two dishwashers Kris posted I am sure there are many features in the more expensive machine, but only Kris can decide if he would actually use them sufficiently to justify buying a machine almost twice the price - frankly I would be hard pressed to do so myself as the cheaper machine seems to produce perfectly good results - the dishes go in dirty and so far everything has come out perfectly clean. All I can say is that I liked my old Miele and was satisfied with its operation, the G4920 was something of an impulse buy as it is stainless and therefore matches my (Miele) fridge/freezer but it seems to me that there has been considerable development in the 13 years between the two which makes me feel the new model is better than the old, even if it is further down the product line than the old one. And let us not forget that, even at £599 the G4920 is not a cheap dishwasher by any means. And I do speak as someone who has actually used the G4920 - it is a somewhat sobering thought to me that, not only did I buy my first dishwasher before henene4 was born but actually before Kris himself was born too so I do have a bit of experience in the matter Al | ||
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Post# 831506 , Reply# 10 7/9/2015 at 08:18 (3,213 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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I like the cutlery tray. Not only does it accomodate cutlery but also measuring spoons, smaller measuring cups, large utensils, soup ladles, etc. And with the full upper wash arm, it gets everything clean. When I have company, I insist that I be the only one that loads the dishwasher...the guests just put all the dishes on the counter and know to stay away from the dishwasher LOL
Gary | ||
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Post# 831519 , Reply# 11 7/9/2015 at 10:41 (3,213 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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The Miele racks have been changed a few times in the last decades. They had to because the way the water was going to the upper spray arm changed too. There have been several changes of the bottom rack as well. The G646 didn't even have the plate guards etc. as you can see in Alistair's picture #1. So there were definitely changes.
Loading the cutlery tray might take a few seconds more, it all depends on how you do it. I collect all the cutlery on one plate and load it all together in the tray. I pick the knives first and put them at the back on the left side. Then the forks go in the middle and then the spoons at the front. Other stuff goes on the right side. Unloading is easier, because you already have the knives together and the same for the forks and the spoons. Not a big deal to have things thoroughly cleaned. | ||
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Post# 831540 , Reply# 13 7/9/2015 at 14:13 (3,212 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Miele Dishwashers
@henene4
"I do have some more experience in that matter" - perhaps you would like to re-read what I actually posted ....... But yes, having used dishwashers for over 40 years (from when I was living with my parents) maybe I do have more experience - some of them were good and some not so good. And in this instance I actually OWN one of the machines Kris posted about and recorded my honest opinion of it, not just sitting behind a computer screen expressing opinions on what the internet tells me. I have been using it for the last three months, I will use it again when I am at home at the weekend and I expect to be as pleased with it as I have been. Previously I used a three rack Miele for 13 years, I was always satisfied with it and am keeping it in my dishwasher collection, and recorded my honest opinion of a comparison of the two machines. Two machines that I actually USED myself. Can you say that? I am sure the machine your friend has is excellent, I would expect nothing less from Miele. But it my experience that Miele quality exists at the bottom of the range just as much as at the top. And yes, you are younger than me and in that you have the advantage. I hope you will live a long and happy life where you will experience many good and exciting things that I know I will not be here to enjoy myself. I have given my opinion as an owner and user of one of the machines raised at the start of this thread - this is my final posting as I have nothing more to add to what I have already said. Kris, I will be interested to read which machine you have actually chosen - no matter which one it is I hope you get a lot of good use from it. Al | ||
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Post# 831552 , Reply# 15 7/9/2015 at 16:05 (3,212 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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The position of the salt container is totally unimportant if you don't use salt. And with my asthma I prefer a dishwasher that doesn't open itself. I prefer to open it only after I have turned on the hood, to vent out all the humidity. So those two features would never influence the decision of what model I would buy.
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Post# 831554 , Reply# 16 7/9/2015 at 16:40 (3,212 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Now hang on... | ||
| Post# 831864 , Reply# 20 7/11/2015 at 13:44 (3,211 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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At least... One wash-arm made from steel. This I find to be beneficial... | ||
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