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Thread Number: 60828
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Philips TopTwin De Luxe Boiling - Lessiveuse Style |
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Post# 834586 7/31/2015 at 05:50 (3,182 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Take a look at the Philips TopTwin De Luxe twintub with boiling action, it acts like the Frenck Laundry Pots, Lessiveuse style. The 3kw heater under the agitator heats and boils the water and wash solution. As the water boils it is forced up the centre of the agitator where it is released through the holes atop. Fascinating action....
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Post# 834590 , Reply# 1 7/31/2015 at 06:02 (3,182 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 834591 , Reply# 2 7/31/2015 at 06:07 (3,182 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Such fun
Basically Phillips combined the traditional French "Lessiveuse" laundry boiler with an automatic washing machine.
Percolating boiling water through laundry is an age old French invention to lessen the work on wash day. Devices similar to the "mushroom" were sold in other countries including the USA for use in laundry boiling pots as well. Would be such a fun machine to have but can only imagine how long it took even at 3kW to heat all that water. If you ever thought your laundry was "clean" coming out of the wash put it for a boil. You'd be amazed at what muck remains in the water after ten minutes. Thanks for sharing the vid! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 834593 , Reply# 3 7/31/2015 at 06:14 (3,182 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If one lived in India this was on offer | ||
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Post# 834609 , Reply# 4 7/31/2015 at 08:51 (3,182 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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I never saw anything like that! Facinating. I've have gotten so much knowledge from this site, love it. | ||
| Post# 834664 , Reply# 5 7/31/2015 at 16:18 (3,181 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK)) | ||
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Philips - With Geysir Action Mike I love this machine, that looks great, I guess it helps with lint filtering too with the water being forced through the filter under the agitator. Ian CLICK HERE TO GO TO triumphdolomite's LINK | ||
| Post# 834678 , Reply# 6 7/31/2015 at 21:27 (3,181 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
Kinda reminds me of a percolator bubbling away. I can only imagine how much cleaner the whites get at that boil wash temp. One thing I wonder though, with today's detergents that are enzyme laden, wouldn't those high temps kill the enzyme action? And if one used chlorine bleach, I can only imagine the aroma coming from the washer.
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| Post# 834764 , Reply# 8 8/1/2015 at 20:10 (3,180 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
The Hotpoint Supermatic I had used to do this as well, took me by surprise the first time I heard it. Was always careful to stand back a bit and keep my hands well clear of the tub when boiling, because that water surges out with some force.
Re: enzymes. In the past, most soap powders and detergents (with the odd exception such as Ariel) didn't contain them in the first place. More likely to rely on oxygen bleaches instead, which are ideally suited to high temperature washes. Modern twin tub detergents generally DO contain enzymes, but wash temperatures today are, for the most part, lower across the board than they would have been 20 or 30 years ago. It also helps that enzymes are now active across a broader temperature range than was previously possible. | ||
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Post# 834777 , Reply# 9 8/1/2015 at 22:08 (3,180 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No, there isn't much water used
Much as with making percolator coffee the amount of water used in a traditional lessiveuse boiler and by extension the Phillips machine is small in relation to amount of laundry.
The idea is not to have washing sitting suberged in water, rather the small amount of concentrated water/detergent boiling/hot water solution is recirculated through the wash. Water is sent up through the center stem, up and out of the mushroom and sprayed onto the laundry. It seeps down to the bottom of the pot where the cycle begins all over again. With a traditional lessieveuse pot if the lid is kept closed water forms a constant stream once the proper temperature is reached. However when the lid is taken off you get that perculating affect. The lessiveuse pot is a direct invention coming from the old French way of doing laundry. Things would be put into a barrel/container,some sort of cloth or strainer on top and filled with ashes. Water was then poured over the ashes that would subsequently filter down throught he laundry and come out the bottom via a spigot/hole. This solution was collected and reintroduced again at the top of the laundry. Thus began a manually fed loop that ended the first stage of washing. In some parts of Europe (the UK) this soaking in an alkaline solution was called "bucking" Lessiveuse pots took off in France and elsewhere with the invention of Persil. Due to its main ingredient "sodium perborate" the high heat of boiling cleaned, sanitised, removed stains and whitened all without the hard work of beating and slapping laundry about. Yes, because laundry products then didn't contain enzymes there wasn't any worry about deactivating them via boiling either on the range or in a washing machine like the Phillips. | ||
| Post# 834947 , Reply# 10 8/3/2015 at 12:51 (3,178 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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| Post# 835170 , Reply# 11 8/5/2015 at 09:54 (3,177 days old) by sesteve (London, UK) | ||
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| Post# 835248 , Reply# 12 8/5/2015 at 19:44 (3,176 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
My Servis twin tub does that too, with a 3kwh heater it takes 35 minutes to heat water 40 to 100 for the full tub, to get this with water this low I think it'd take 15- 20 mins or so ....
I knew well the lessiveuse pots, here in Piemonte were commonly used.in apartments as in France The percolator mushroom it's rather a French thing, intoduced here by the french...you don't find them much in others parts of Italy or europe. They were used both as a way to save so use less ashes and wash solution, and only way for those who had limited space..so ones living in small apts....then back then every bit of ash and soap was precious back then... I used to have one of these pots, but sold it at a flea market. It's sure not as effective as boiling and washing in immersion, but not all had the space and means.... I knew that in Germany,instead they were more prepared/organized and had common large tubs embedded in bricks and heated by wood... common laundry rooms, laundry was agitated by wooden spoons and laundry plungers at full boiling reached it sure took less time than a percolation thing...matter of few minutes..more effective. You can watch whatever old german persil "werbung"...which shows the common way back then over there... Anyway....until the lave-linge automatique entered french homes, this is what you found to boil laundry in french homes...you also had a specific Tide "pour boillir"-"to boil" to use in these pots at one point (that later kept the same formula to boil in H axis automatics), it had a blue box instead of the classic orange one, it would not foam as much as regular Tide and was formulated specifically...even though much people boiled with the regular Tide also..it had perborate too. Persil adverts: Sunil: | ||
| Post# 835358 , Reply# 13 8/6/2015 at 10:01 (3,176 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Mike....
Boiling as higher temps always been an alternative to chlroine, nobody would boil with chlroine....even more not by the time twin tubs as the Philips were available and so "detergents". First, because as said if you boil like that you will get same result as if using chlorine, and second, because when it's true that chlorine kills your fabric already in cool or warm, boiling with chlroine would mean having to trash your clothes as boiling/temperatures enhances every reaction. Boiling is not a technique that did born thanks to perborates, but it's always been common, as for the french pots and anywhere else it was what you did for heavily soiled whites with soap and a little soda ash to get the right alkalinity of wash solution...soda ash is already an excellent whitener itself if used in boiling. As Launderess said it all did born from the idea of "Bucking", what here was called "conca del bucato"- which was made both as bleaching-soaking and to extract the soda you needed for the actual wash process, before the soaps (fat saponifications) were plentily available and reachable, ash, ammonia, saponaria leaves and other cleaning compounds were all you had to do laundry and cleaning. Later as soaps became the main "cleaning compound" and available for just everyone you would have people putting soda ash and lye along with soap, eventually boiling alltogheter.... Perborate later was what did save further work and boiling time because it would take less time to whiten, destain and sanify...we can say it was among the first "self-acting" compund..in minutes you had whites done vs boiling for hours that you needed with boiling with a simple soap/soda solution. www.rmvaldera.it/opera.phpQUESTIO...
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| Post# 835372 , Reply# 14 8/6/2015 at 11:21 (3,176 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 835520 , Reply# 15 8/7/2015 at 07:17 (3,175 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Thats Cool | ||
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Post# 835617 , Reply# 16 8/7/2015 at 21:16 (3,174 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Though sounds easy enough in theory, when it came to practice boiling laundry in a tub/vessel isn't simple as one might think.
Problem comes from keeping all wash submerged under water. Hence all the sticks, poles, and other objects used to push or prod laundry under water. As you can imagine standing over a large boiling vessel of water is *not* fun. Made less so when the method of heating was an open fire or heated range. Using percolation means not only is less water required but the cycle is self maintaining once properly established. This means Madame or whomever could leave the Lessiveuse to do its work while they didn't have to stand over a hot fire/heat. European households and laundries probably held onto boiling longer than otherwise due to the main bleaching agent being sodium perborate. That oxygen based bleach so famously developed in Persil requires temps of or >140F to really get going. The introduction of bleach activator (TAED) allowed perborate bleaching systems to work at lower temperatures. Its patent long expired in Europe and now in general use for most all detergents with bleaching agents TAED was developed as an answer to the energy crisis of the 1970's IIRC. The idea was to get housewives and others weaned off all those boil washes (now most always done in semi or fully automatic washing machines). You start to see "energy saving" ranges on Miele and other washing machines around the 1970's/1980's. Though washing laundry at 180F (the range on my Miele is 80F to 180F) may seem odd labeled as "energy savings" suppose in the government bean counter's minds it was better than 200F. | ||
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Post# 835618 , Reply# 17 8/7/2015 at 21:37 (3,174 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Meanwhile back at the ranch....
On the other side of the pond routine boiling of laundry at least in domestic laundry went out with semi then fully automatic washing machines.
Though long held in distain by Europeans American housewives and many laundries employed chlorine bleach (eau de Javel) for whitening, stain removal and sanitizing. Hot water of course was needed especially when soap and most early detergents were used more so for whites. It is important to remember why all this boiling was going on in the first place. Leaving aside the sanitation and bleach activation properties laundry was boiled as a way to lessen the work of hand washing. Prior to going into any boiling vessel laundry had already been pre-washed/soaked (all except coloured things likely to dye bleed). Boiling completed the washing process by allowing textile fibers to expand and thus release soils easily. What remained could be often tackled with less scrubbing or brute force than otherwise employed. One *NEVER* boils dirty laundry. Absent boiling laundry would be subjected to beating, whipping, battering, slapping and all sorts of mechanical action in efforts to shift dirt. As you might imagine a few trips through such laundering processes left textiles looking worse for wear. This fed into all that darning, mending and patching once a common part of housekeeping. It wasn't that persons were wearing out their clothing/linen, but the laundering process helped things along. When American women/laundries got machines that did the washing it supplied the mechanical force. What remained were the other three parts of good laundry process: time, chemicals and water temperature. Since chlorine bleach will whiten and sanitize in warm or just hot water the need for boiling diminished in America. It is interesting to see all over Europe various early washing machines with fireboxes/boilers attached. Whereas in the USA at least domestically households relied upon heating water elsewhere (a range, water heater, etc...) then sending or bringing it to the washer. "1924: In the 1920s, wooden-tub washers from Miele were to be found in many private homes. This new technology soon caught the attention of laundries, hotels, hospitals, convalescent homes and large estates although they needed considerably bigger machines. The solution was to come from Miele's Gütersloh plant in the form of a coal-and gas-fired drum washer. The previously common wooden-tub washers with a paddle-type agitator were replaced by an electrically driven horizontal-axis metal drum. For the first time, it was no longer necessary to pour hot water into the tub as water was now heated in a side container which formed an integral part of the machine. The drum consisted of sheet copper, with perforations created from the inside working outwards in order to ensure the gentle treatment of laundry. The first model from the '00' series had a load capacity of almost 8 kg of laundry. Slowly but surely, Miele added more models to the range, some of which had a 30 kg capacity and were heated with steam." CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 835645 , Reply# 18 8/8/2015 at 05:49 (3,174 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Absolutely fascinating | ||
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Post# 835649 , Reply# 19 8/8/2015 at 06:27 (3,174 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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My older Miele
Along with other machines I've seen from the 1970's, 1960's and even 1980's has a pre-wash as part of the *Normal* long cottons/linens program. The cycle starts with cold and gradually heats water to warm. Once the cycle is done the machine drains and then fills for the main wash.
The "short" cycle skips the pre-wash and part of the main wash cycle for a quicker wash. Owner's manual states this cycle was good for "lightly soiled" washing. Almost every good housekeeper learned as a girl you don't "wash in dirty water"; that is you don't do laundry especially whites/lights in water that is heavily soiled. Again this is a hold over from when laundry was bucked/pre-soaked before washing. Even today many commercial laundries run one, two or three short wash cycles instead of one long. Either way the rationale is the same; you want to keep soil that is removed from settling back onto washing. Modern detergents do a pretty good job of keeping soils/muck suspension even without phosphates. However if you have a really truly dirty load of whites, especially one with lots of surface muck, try pre-washing it first. In particular when using hot or boiling water to wash you don't want mucky water. With the textile fibers opened from the heat what was liberated (dirt) can also become trapped again if it settles out. This is especially true if temp is allowed to drop (soaking started with hot or boiling water then allowed to cool), or if the boiling wash water is replaced too quickly with cool or cold water. I use a cold pre-wash before a very hot or boil wash to save energy with the Miele. This way can start the wash cycle with hot water and allow it reach hotter or boil temperatures faster and using less energy. Because the Miele has "cycle guarantee" regardless of how fast the machine reaches the proper temperature wash times remain the same. On the Oko-Lavamat it is a different story. If the machine reaches the set temperature faster than programmed it will subtract the allotted time from the balance of the cycle. | ||
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Post# 835650 , Reply# 20 8/8/2015 at 06:41 (3,174 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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So I could get those | ||
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Post# 835654 , Reply# 21 8/8/2015 at 07:06 (3,174 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oxi-clean isn't the best oxygen bleach choice out there. The stuff is mostly sodium carbonate (washing soda) and the remainder sodium percarbonate.
Can see if using a laundry liquid how washing soda would be necessary, but most detergent powders contain more than enough alkaline builders. All oxygen bleaches work better under alkaline pH (hence the reason ammonia is often added when bleaching with hydrogen peroxide liquid), but sodium percarbonate supplies its own. Sodium perborate possibly could benefit from an alkaline pH but again most powdered detergents contain enough. Thing about SB over SP is that all borates including Borax are difficult to rinse from textiles. All things considered you'll probably need more rinsing and perhaps a neutralizer when using SB than SP. Best way to keep anything that touches one's skin white is to not use it until grossly filthy and launder often. Sleeping on bed sheets for a week then chucking them into the hamper for another or so until laundering will sooner or later lead to that yellow staining all so common. Thing is even with the most careful rinsing all cotton fabrics retain some detergent/soils after laundering. Subsequent washing just builds upon what remained before. Years ago persons would "strip" textiles by using heavy amounts of phosphates and hot or boiling water but no detergent for one or more washes. | ||
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Post# 835656 , Reply# 22 8/8/2015 at 07:14 (3,174 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Newer EU machines (1960's - 1990's) were all able to heat the wash water up to 90°C or 95°C depending on the brand. After energy got more expensive here on a lot of washing machines the "E-button" was introduced. Depending on the brand it lowered the temperature, lowered the temperature and extended the wash cycle or extended the wash cycle where you had to choose a lower temperature yourself.
In the sixties there were still real boil wash machines available from Constructa and some other brands that mainly paid Constructa for using their patent. I still like doing my whites at a higher temperature. I do that on a 70°C/158°F. With a profile wash ending up at that temperature it gives the same smell as a real boil wash. And it makes my whites whiter than washing at 60°C/140°F. | ||
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Post# 835672 , Reply# 23 8/8/2015 at 10:27 (3,174 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips TopTwin Twintub
H Louis, have just posted some pics on Flikr of Mathews (Keymatic3203) wonderful washer , its a lovely machine to use, The master switch controls the main wash motor and pump so always on, Think Wringer, the wash timer switch starts the wash action engaging the geardrive, The spinner has a a slide bar / lock which starts its motor. The outlet pipe is like the Hoovermatics having a pull lever to engage the wash drain otherwise its pumping the spin can.
The Laundry Washcodes of the 7 HLCC (Home Laundry Care Council) main wash programmes of the time are etched in the glass console panel along with wash temperatures and spin timings. CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK | ||
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Post# 835761 , Reply# 24 8/9/2015 at 05:00 (3,173 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 835765 , Reply# 25 8/9/2015 at 06:02 (3,173 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Hoovermatic with "Boil Wash Action" | ||
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Post# 835767 , Reply# 26 8/9/2015 at 07:00 (3,173 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Lessiveuse Style
Good morning Launderess, the above marketing must have been a marketers dream although those models did have a heater and could "Boil" your wash, am not sure you could get away with it today ha ha....
Many of the "Copper" washboilers where still found in homes and in working order up until the 60 / 70`s here in the UK, many of our historic attractions show them in situ in the laundry, indeed my last home had a series of outbuilding rooms from the main kitchen which was a scullery (wet room with sink for washing dishes, a utility with copper washboiler and coal fire underneath with chimney , outside loo and coalhouse....Here are pics of a usual Copper arrangement with coal box underneath as well as the large mangle rollers, the dolly tub, glass rubbing board and posser to plunge and move the clothes around!! | ||
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Post# 835769 , Reply# 27 8/9/2015 at 07:07 (3,173 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Pre 1960`s Gas WashBoilers
Up until the electric washing machine was mass produced then a family of Gas fired WashBoilers where available of often seen in many UK homes, they where manufactured by firms such as Dean and Slaxon, a simple galvanised tub with a gas burner underneath and a tap at the front for emptying, usually found with a mangle on top although many of the early Deans with half moon lid where simple water heaters for all purpose use!!
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Post# 835772 , Reply# 28 8/9/2015 at 07:36 (3,173 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Electric Washboilers
Our most famous range of washboilers are indeed the "Burco" range, which had a familiar blue and white paint on galvanised steel tubs. Indeed the "Baby Burco" was the appliance most seen in house`s as well as small catering establishments such as local church hall, schools and the most treasured of them all "the WI Womens Institutes up and down the land often used for boiling the water for the British Cuppa and another for steeping all those tea towels!!
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Post# 835781 , Reply# 29 8/9/2015 at 08:46 (3,173 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I dug in my Miele history book this am
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Post# 835829 , Reply# 30 8/9/2015 at 19:56 (3,172 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Thing To Remember About All This Boiling/Heating Of Water
By washing machines in Europe versus the lack thereof in North America (historically) was how source of hot water evolved between the two.
For various reasons most if not many European homes do not have large central water heaters. Water is heated by the machines which require (dishwashers, washing machines), and then you have units of various sizes supplying the taps. The latter could be whole house or by areas of home. American and to an extent Canadian homes went the other way with usually a main source of hot water (boiler or heater) which his then sent throughout the home. To my knowledge the American market never had a washing machine with self heating capabilities. Dishwashers didn't get them for years either, again preferring to draw water from the main hot water source. Going back to early days commercial laundries on both sides of the ponds (so called "steam laundries") had washing machines that relied upon a heating source (steam), but that is where things ended. Even today in much of Europe laundromat washers usually heat their own water. OTOH that is totally nonexistent in American versions. This probably goes a long way to explain the poor results often seen from exclusive use of American Laundromats. Unless one uses chlorine bleach (and often even then) the results are sooner or later dingy and dull whites. Even the much highly spoken of Speed Queen front loaders still refuse to have internal heaters. Electrolux/Laundrylux machines used in Paris have internal heaters, but those in the USA do not. | ||
| Post# 835931 , Reply# 31 8/10/2015 at 15:57 (3,171 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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I don't know, all of the laundromats i can see over here have machines who wouldn't self heat not even wash in hotter water than warm...forget boiling point.
Just once, as a little boy, we were in a nice touristic village in Palma de Maiorca, and I remember there was this laundromat with a row of brownish/reddish console Lavamats the ones with the visible suspended tubs like , and I sure remember me touching the glass that was boiling hot, that sure was an AEG's 95 degrees white wash....I remember then me take a whiff out of the caked-in-detergent drawer, like I always did for any front loader I saw. LOL But I can say, that after that I've never seen a laundromat with machines that would boil or washing with water hotter than warm. So..over here it's sort of the same... But it's not the machine's lack/fault...it's who runs the thing. It's not infact strange to see laundromats habituè people pouring industrial quantity of peroxy bleaches, Vanish and chlorine bleach to the machines to mitigate the absence of real hot water needed and discuss that...forget already when it's a front loader that's supposed to wash in 30 mins or so... Another downside of modern laundromats: At least here laundromats with self dosing detergents units are what is common among newer ones, and not much to surprise the ones where people prefer not to go to.... Many reasons...first of all there's detergent preference, second is the same as the hot water matter, so typically the owners tend to set things pointing at profit..so what is supposed to be at least 65-70 degrees hot water fill becomes 45-50, what is supposed to be 1 cup of liquid going in, then becomes half... But... That's what happens everywhere..and I'm sure they'd find a way to "arrange" them not to heat this hot even if they were self heating. If you have a laundromat who feed machines with proper water hotness, kiss the owners and sanctify them! Luckily most italians would rather own their own units inside their homes, apartment common laundromats are non-existent here, laundromats are rather a thing for tourists or students by.passer etc. Laundromats though here are busier in winter months, that's because some people chose to launder there as then they can dry all in those big gas dryers, much people don't have space for a dryer in their homes, and if it's electric you might end up spending as much as paying to use the laundromats, hang clothes indoor is an hassle especially since your place is small....in summer, as typical italian, there're pulleys & clothesline from almost every window and balcony. | ||
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Post# 835932 , Reply# 32 8/10/2015 at 16:04 (3,171 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Guess am spoiled for choice | ||
| Post# 835938 , Reply# 33 8/10/2015 at 16:17 (3,171 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 835940 , Reply# 34 8/10/2015 at 16:24 (3,171 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 835943 , Reply# 35 8/10/2015 at 16:39 (3,171 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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No...Launderess, dear..that was no my intention to spoil you in any ways.
What you said is very correct, and couldn't have said it better.... But, I said that most laundromats I can seen have machines who will not heat. Now, what was in the past I don't know much, also because in Europe laundromats generally were not a big thing as in the US.... I just wanted to tell how things are now... It is very possible, and sure was as you say, that in Europe you had laundromat machines who would self heat, at least, more than in America where for domestic machines since the first wringer washer to the last automatic washer there never was a machine who would heat from cold... and there never was this "option". But support heaters who would eventually raise temps of few dickers or so. In the past, only machine with a similar thing that I know, was a Said this,I apologize if you got this the wrong way... | ||
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Post# 835949 , Reply# 36 8/10/2015 at 17:08 (3,171 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Actually
According to the plates inside the SQ washers at local laundromat they are capable of being fitted with steam for self heating.
While many commercial washing machines still have steam or other means of self heating not all laundromat will offer the option. SQ does IIRC, but not Dexter for instance. IIRC the main objection to using steam heated laundromat washers here in the States is that self heating washers would take longer to complete a cycle. Time is money to American mat owners and if a machine is slow then there must be more of them to cope with demand/back-up. The other reason is cost and added layer of complexity in laundromat design and operation. Nearly all fifty states have strict local laws about who can operate steam boilers over a certain PSI. Apartment and other buildings for instance that have steam heat/hot water require someone certified to operate the boilers. In NYC at least many Laundromats are located in commercial space of residential buildings, can see the inherent danger if a steam boiler went "kaboom". Laundromat designers here are quick to point out that central water heaters fitted with circulators will deliver water hot as anyone wishes to the machines. If the pipe runs are insulated so the better. The problem is too many mat owners cheap out by turning the hot water temps down and or not using circulators. Worse there is no spin between the cold pre-wash and the so called "hot" fill of main wash. So whatever "hot" water does reach the machine is diluted when it hits that cold washer and laundry. | ||
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Post# 835950 , Reply# 37 8/10/2015 at 17:10 (3,171 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 835978 , Reply# 38 8/10/2015 at 19:20 (3,171 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes...
I understand that...but maybe that would be a good thing in Manhattan as there's the common steam piping from Con Ed and NYC Steam system servicing all the area, but as time is money as you say few would do that...forget in other places than NYC. And really...nobody likes to wait...hence a reason more why opt for hot fill. I wonder if customers wouldn't be the first ones complaining for long times? Over here steam is really not used, not even for condo home heating, what cicrculates in radiators is water... except for very large laundries..then a steam furnace makes no sense..and I really think doesn't in a laundromat,even more a typical european small one. Most laundromats in this country are in residential buildings too, as gas reaches everywhere and is cheap this is the main source for heating, what you have here is gas boilers in the backroom, there might be machines capable of self heating with gas also, I sure know of some used in laundries but not born for coin laundry and you need anyway to vent a row of say 10 machines, you can't do that easily in a commercial space, same reason why here many laundromats do have condenser dryers, condenser dryers takes longer, and while they require less gas to heat they require water to cool condensers, all laundromats with condenser dryers ask more money to run a cycle than ones with vented dryers... I think that it all changes also upon the country, but even in countries as France where electricty cost less what I could see in French "laverie" were hot fill machines...perhaps an electric boiler instead of gas? I think that I really never seen a Miele like that in a Laundromat here or places i traveled, that actually looks more like a typical professional Miele washer adapted to laundromat use, not born to do the coin laundry specifically...they sure do heat..they also use 380 volt commercial voltage IIRC. After all that's Germany and they will use their machines... another thing I newer saw is coin-box-less 5kg home-style machines in use in laundromats, while I'm seeing you could see some german "waschsalon" with them... That's typical german I guess...not what comes to mind when I think of coin laundry. Anyway...lucky us we have a washer, 2 or 3...LOL But if I ever needed to use a front loader in a laundromat, sure i'd want to get spoiled too and use one like that reaches 90.... Unfortunately...this is not the case for most laundromats i could and can see around.. common are for sure the greed owners and dingy whites. Well....actually, to be really spoiled I'd want at least a vintage one like Diomede's (vivalavatrice)one....too bad it's almost 2hrs from me. www.illavatricista.it/lavanderia-... | ||
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Post# 836047 , Reply# 39 8/11/2015 at 02:50 (3,171 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 836049 , Reply# 40 8/11/2015 at 03:54 (3,171 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Steam, Boil,Steeping
Most of our UK launderettes have and had central water heating as standard, the washers where piped with both hot and cold water and indeed could be heated by steam as well.
Only the new generation of launderette machines and launderettes have individual heaters to heat their own water, probably because of the low energy programming and water levels, efficient detergents and of course not having to heat large amounts of water all the time and to pipe it to the washers.. You can still get new HE washing machines that do have a direst steam connection but they are usually reserved for the large capacity 24/7 operations. Unlike most of Europe the UK domestic hot water systems in households have largely been run off backboilers, ranges and freestanding boilers that use a calorifier and store hot water in a tank. It has only been since the 80`s that a plethera of small instantaneous combi boilers provide direct hot water to taps without the need of a tank supply!! | ||
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Post# 836155 , Reply# 42 8/11/2015 at 18:24 (3,170 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 836157 , Reply# 43 8/11/2015 at 18:29 (3,170 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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So What About Dot Cotton's Launderette
Are those Primus machines self-heating?
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| Post# 836162 , Reply# 44 8/11/2015 at 19:08 (3,170 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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| Post# 836175 , Reply# 45 8/11/2015 at 21:17 (3,170 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 836177 , Reply# 46 8/11/2015 at 21:47 (3,170 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Post# 836179 , Reply# 47 8/11/2015 at 22:00 (3,170 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It was the accent that did it for me..... | ||
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Post# 836181 , Reply# 48 8/11/2015 at 22:25 (3,170 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Primus brand is owned by Alliance Laundry in the USA
Which promptly basically shut down support for the brand in USA IIRC. Prior to this throughout the 1980's and 1990's you could find Primus laundry equipment in Laundromats all over the USA. You might find them still but again getting parts could be difficult.
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| Post# 836194 , Reply# 49 8/11/2015 at 23:14 (3,170 days old) by washer111 () | ||
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Agreed... The narrator seems to have an odd way of accenting some terms.
soaP hoPPer, door LocK... | ||
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Post# 836221 , Reply# 50 8/12/2015 at 05:57 (3,170 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Lessiveuse Style
Cuffs054: thats the thing about this site all different styles of laundry and info for us all to enjoy!!
Hi Ian, yes I think the filter in the base of the agitator helps build the pressure and force the "Percolation" effect.. Hello Mike, yes the aroma was quite something we used Ariel powder and the rolling boil produced a room of steam, apart from not needing to use chlorine with the boil temp we could be high on the fumes all week!! Washer111, the heater on this model was switched on all the time, we started from hot water about 60d temp and moved quickly to boil, as the pressure build under the agi and the surrounding water "boils" thats when the perc action begins, and the boiling water is forced up and out then cooler water enters the heater area, usually took 30 secs to a minute to "Boil "again... Mac, yes the bigger holes in the Hotpoint Supermatic are indeed a good setup for this style of action, and yes best to keep hands out, as the pressure built while filming was nervous it was gonna explode in front of the lens!! | ||
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Post# 836222 , Reply# 51 8/12/2015 at 06:07 (3,170 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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lessiveuse Style
Morning Ingemar, I should try it using some vintage detergent and hopefully re-create the aroma, my nan had a boiler bucket on the stove and used Persil, the aroma was something else wafting down the garden.
Steve, cheeky arnt we its Cordon Bleu or nowt!! yes get that supermatic out you may be surprised, but make sure you have the holes in the agi other wise lordy knows what might happen with that pressure!! Kenmoreguy89: have just tested the Servis MK3, WOW its even better than the Philips as this kept a rolling boil once the temp was reached!! Morning Jon Jetcone, yes "Sput-o-Boil" get that patented quick....and grey faceclothes , with all that testing they should be bleach white with holes in!! Louis, ha ha homes under the hammer, its great for looking back through the decades, my dad still has his Baxi Bermuds V3 with a cast iron back boiler thats heats tank water, not as efficient as todays boilers but spacesaving and does the job well!! | ||
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Post# 836223 , Reply# 52 8/12/2015 at 06:15 (3,170 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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lessiveuse Style
Hi Launderess, a quick way to work out on the Primus machines is if they have Cool, Warm and Hot temp options, the weshers with built in heaters usually state temps as in 40d 60d & 90d, not sure this is a working launderama as in behind the scenes setup but Nordwash and Ipso Primus weshers in a launderama near here are heated with hot water from tank storage.
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Post# 836224 , Reply# 53 8/12/2015 at 06:21 (3,170 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Steam, Boil,Steeping
Rod, great video even with the "accent", the latest laundry setups are just amazing, looked in on my nieces laundry at uni and its state of the art JLA machines with Smart technology and connected to payment cards and look up on smart phone for your "Wash Status"....I like this range using the Schulthess Swiss designs...
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Post# 836226 , Reply# 54 8/12/2015 at 06:30 (3,170 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 836237 , Reply# 55 8/12/2015 at 08:51 (3,170 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Primus USA - Take it for what it's worth: www.coinwash.com/mb/showthread.ph...
New York State - Upstate especially Troy and Schenectady were manufacturing hubs back in their day. In fact that is killing upstate NY today is the death of manufacturing and taking jobs away. Kodak, Ford, you name it, they've gone. Despite the name, Braun laundry equipment was actually founded in Syracuse, New York (another manufacturing area of the state). www.gabraun.com/about-us/history/... App/Smart Phone/Internet notification: Some American laundromat equipment vendors are offering washers and dryers with the ability to text or ring a smart phone when laundry is done. Electrolux via Laundrylux is one; but their equipment isn't universally popular with mat owners. laundrylux.com/a-new-spin-on-the-... | ||
| Post# 836238 , Reply# 56 8/12/2015 at 08:54 (3,170 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Morning Mike & all!
Yes... Difference is that many will have buttons with "hot"- "warm"-"cool" wash, or actual preset programmes "whites/colorfast"--"colors"-"delicates" etc... and not an actual gradation, those are hot fill non-self-heating ones that I also see for the most around here. I'm sorry that we got a little off topic here talking laundromats.... Will now try to stick to the thread. The Servis sure does that too, discovered it one time that I kept on talking with the neighbor longer than usual while I left the servis alone heating, and came back home there it was pouring water from the agi vents like the Trevi fountain.....here we had an heat wave and really didn't want to stick around the Boiling servis, my kitchen was hot enough, but now that's gone I want to take a video.. I never really need to boil, they always does with a 60-70 degrees wash...but for sake of information and "fun" that's what I do from times to times. | ||
| Post# 836247 , Reply# 57 8/12/2015 at 10:11 (3,170 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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I actually wanted to wait until I moved to the farm, was supposed to move in July but works delayed and it's gonna be October, intention was that to use the Servis outside.. as daily driver for the summer till Fall, waiting for the common laundry room (Bed&Breakfast and all family laundry) to be finished, there will go the Whirlpool Belt drive, Speed Queen and Filter flo and likely a Maytag wringer 2NL am hoping for the seller to lower the price....and maybe something else nice of automatic if I find it..oh... and also current dad's Grand'O..if we don't sell it...his wife doesn't like it much nor do I.
The aquamatic I also recently got will go there, but I got that only to dye clothes, I typically don't do laundry in it except refreshing...excellent machine to dye given the size etc. Laundry room will be equipped with on-demand gas insta heater reaching 80 deegrees feeding all machines, support wood powered tank heater for wintr months and water heating chimney in the breakfast/dining room next to it when in use (often we hope).... I wanted to use the servis outside in the back porch, always a nice breeze there no hassle for hot washes and boil in hot weather, there also is a BBQ fireplace if I ever wanted to heat water w/out using the electric heater, set up a washtub to do deep rinses, a clothesline...and do laundry that way till fall, and as I was at it, give some of the tons boxes of VTG belgian detergents, Henkel Persil, sunil, Omo & Tide etc that I still have a run, still have 60+ NIB boxes of the stuff sitting in my detrgnt cupboards....there was no better occasion for some "vintage style laundry" and to use them. Unfortunately didn't work out, but sure will do that starting next Spring....
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Post# 836251 , Reply# 58 8/12/2015 at 11:32 (3,170 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 836472 , Reply# 59 8/13/2015 at 17:00 (3,168 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 836522 , Reply# 60 8/13/2015 at 21:39 (3,168 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Those Braun machines are "big ass" !!
More so when you consider most if not many of certain models are soft mount machines. That is they are not bolted into concrete.
Had no idea but apparently there are limits when it comes to bolting down commercial washing machines. Something to do with weight of laundry and maximum G-force generated during spins. Suffice to say >300lbs of wet laundry spun to achieve greatest extraction can generate forces in a bolt down machine that can be felt throughout the entire building. This regardless of how many feet of concrete the thing is bolted into. | ||
| Post# 837345 , Reply# 61 8/19/2015 at 12:01 (3,163 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Last days of Holidays....
Got a NIB GE Iron (another of the many I already have) and tought..."hey, let's take some pics" with the Servis which is on duty today.... And of course.....I couldn't not take a video of the "spurting" we talked about.... Just sorry for the video quality...that steam was messing the phone lens. | ||
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Post# 837410 , Reply# 62 8/20/2015 at 02:10 (3,162 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Servis MK3 Model 42 Twintub...
"Lessiveuse Style", great minds think alike Freddy, good to see the Servis MK2 boiling away!!. Here is the next version the MK3 model 42 from 1966 boiling the nappies!! The Servis have smaller holes than the Philips and once the boiling gets under way the Perc effect continues unlike the Philips which Spurts!
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| Post# 837414 , Reply# 63 8/20/2015 at 03:57 (3,162 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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Sorry for another off topic. I just wanted to share some pictures of our small and one and only Laundromat we have in my city. It is not much used. Most of all at the end of the season for washing duvets. Some wash rugs, working suits or for occasionals construction workers who live alone and have no washing machine.
These are Electrolux machines.
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| Post# 837415 , Reply# 64 8/20/2015 at 04:02 (3,162 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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These machines heats its own water....
up to 90°C
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| Post# 837607 , Reply# 67 8/21/2015 at 10:27 (3,161 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Many if not most of countries in "Europe" have had a very large number of people who would historically live in town multifamiliar houses or ancient buildings adapted to sort of condos, not even single homes...including a whole rich lot of ancient buildings who would not have central hot water, but when lucky a point of use one (tank or not) wood, electric or gas powered in the bathroom only.
Take in exam whatever could be a typical medium town or otherwise city in France, Spain, Italy eastern europe and so forth... Uk has also a different urbanization... This of course unlike United States where most of population would historically live in indipendent homes and also made of different materials and style, and have a laundry area specifically designed for that purpose, when not the classic basement, classic American laundry location even before washers came along as it was where the furnace was... it's not historically so for many countries in Europe. It's as clear as crystal that it wasn't the same in all of europe, so it's really impossible to generalize, but is also impossible not to talk generally without quoting all different factors... Let's take in exam northern countries where you have much wider spaces and a very different architecture and urbanization..or southern countries. Pretty much as what are current laundry locations each area/country is different and developed things differently, and some are litterally are a "mix"...but just think what is a typical laundry location in UK/IRE it was the kitchen, FR/IT/SP/GR... whenever it fits..northern countries instead tended to have their own laundry rooms or basement, this all *boils* down to all a series of factors which includes where and how hot water was available and reachable and where and how people would live. What is now can be re-conducted to it. Of course nobody speaks much of now....but it's a speech that goes back in time and how things developed. Also..it's not a matter of central or point of use, as most of homes now of course do have a central one...and nobody ever argued that or that most of homes in Europe gets hot water that way as of today. BUT It is safe to say, that unlike the USA, many countries in Europe developed central hot water later and in many homes and circumstances it was simply not the norm or otherwise easily available where you needed it for laundry, hence they needed self-heaters to supply a demand that wasn't always or commonly to be taken for granted, unlike it happened in the US by the time first washing machines entered american homes... This infact was why UK machines as the Hotpoint Empress , rather than the Fiat (westinghouse laundromat), Maytag wringers or Bendix..Thor etc.. automatics never took on around here commonly, nor did in France or these parts...people didn't know how to get hot water for them. Case in point, UK/IR urbanization allowed most of people to have wood boilers and tanks and develop central hot water reachability commonly and sooner than other countries because of UK urbanization, infact UK is one of the countries where you would have early wringer washers and machines who were not equipped with an heater initially.. just unthinkable elsewhere not to, it's also one of the countries where until the 80s ALL machines had a hot&cold fill by default, which was optional of course, but commonly used... thing that never happened here where just a few had this option..and no machine kept it. UK's WW and TT machines also started to get heaters as a plus then, and could be used as laundry boilers, then it became default except for some Hoovers. Also because one assumes that despite UK weather firing a chimney or stove in July or August to get water hot nough for laundry wasn't always enjoyable for those who still relied on wood.. ...by this time in the US most people would have an automatic (gas,oil or electric) heater who would not heat the room up...it was less than a problem anyways.. Later As in UK folks passed from the TT's to having an automatic under "everyone's" kitchen counter the heater gained even much more importance because of the machine type...a front loader...so it's been in all of europe. Of course the fact of some current automatics not having much benefit from an hot-fill for what is a common "load and go attitude" and distance from water heater and low water use is why the hot fill machine are being eliminated even from UK market. But that's a different matter. | ||
| Post# 837626 , Reply# 70 8/21/2015 at 12:10 (3,161 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 837629 , Reply# 71 8/21/2015 at 12:14 (3,160 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Coal is just very very old wood ;) It's basically illegal to burn (buy, sell or store) it in cities and larger towns here for air quality reasons. In rural places you're more likely to encounter turf and more as a cozy / decorative / nostalgic thing than a primary source of heat. | ||
| Post# 837631 , Reply# 72 8/21/2015 at 12:17 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 837638 , Reply# 73 8/21/2015 at 12:30 (3,160 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Nothing to be sorry about ;) The federation of wood burning stove enthusiasts are a very laid back bunch! | ||
| Post# 837645 , Reply# 75 8/21/2015 at 13:48 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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"The federation of wood burning stove enthusiasts are a very laid back bunch!"
Well...I've a thing for wood stoves also...can't say to be a full-time entuxhiast, but I like them to bits. Anyway...returning to the speech, the gasoil hydronic heating systems were what used to be common here also in individual homes (which are not much common), or town condo-like built or remodeled past world war, especially badly bombed ones, that has been an occasion where things could be changed..of course it was one who fed all the building's radiators and taps. But by that time, so after WWII (more like 50s) central hot water was a *MUST* to be put in newer built homes. Before that, and for the many homes who were untouched by bombs there were stoves, chimneys or the dear gas powered wall convectors or otherwise called stoves/heaters...and for hot water, initially wood/coal tanks in bathroom, replaced by gas, who was replaced by electric sometimes or insta gas ones. And so was till someone provided to his own place remodeling...the more wealthy you were, the sooner you would get up-to-date. Many older homes in town over here still have that kind of setting, I think of the former boarding school convent down my street that has been transformed into apartments sometime in the early 40s...depending on the apt you'll find one for both kitchn and bathroom (if they're close to each other) or two different heaters..and gas convectors instead of the common radiators..and yes also flumes for what once was common..a wood stove in each room. As for machines away from the house, that is something you may see in very old individual homes of some small town...what is a "casa di paese"..but it's not the norm.. WOW...I feel like I could continue for hours telling all the differences in architecture, urbanization and reasons why... as it's all connected and result of history. As you say you can tell alot even by these simple things, because the way we live and what is, is the result of different stories, a chain of reasons that made it so....and each place has it's own...which is fascinating to reason, learn and talk about..it's all culture after all. | ||
| Post# 837651 , Reply# 77 8/21/2015 at 14:37 (3,160 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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| Post# 837657 , Reply# 78 8/21/2015 at 15:18 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Well...
For sake of information.. I link you an italian "Bruciatore" which is this: www.termoidraulicamustone.it/imag... Which you may find in homes like this: Which is a typical Italian indipendent villetta house of the 70s (wealthy folks): data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABA... But not here: data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABA... Or here,(downtown my town, wealthy folks living in historical downtown condo-like homes on the "corso") www.alessandrianews.it/comuni/ima... Or here: www.targatocn.it/fileadmin/archiv... Which is where 70-80% of italians typically live...along with modern mid 70s modern condos (condos-boom) like this (wealthy-to mid class): imagestc.trovacasa.net/annunci/L/... Or newer...those have central hot water...(wealthy folks) Newer condos like this typically now are quipped with individual water and heating gas heaters on the balcony: cf.immobiliarebroker552.it/sites/... These ones are also used in cases like link 3,4 and 5 whenever the building went through some total internal re-modelling...otherwise what you find is point of use heater and central heating for radiators..if not gas heaters and not even radiators. Historical antique fancy buildings like this one in the Corso downtown Milan probably are the kind of condo-like that went through constant total remodeling in early days and even though old you may have had developpd an earlier central water system...or individual...rare, but as you can tell this is for wealthy folks... data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABA... Venice and such...even more a *mess*: encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/image... There're much more building types and settings to drive you nuts.... | ||
| Post# 837659 , Reply# 79 8/21/2015 at 15:38 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Oh...and US gas dryers dealers are a huge thing here too..too bad not all have the space and means.
Usually who buys a gas dryer will also purchase a US toploader..as by being hot fill allow great saving on electricty, so dear over here...and being totally amazed by cleaning results...often is rich people who don't mind expenses considering a set goes around 3000 euros, 1500 for the dryer only Of course there're those who will purchase just the dryer,and even though space and money expense may be an issue, they'll do everything to have a US dryer...even climb it! So if you thought in Ireland you were weird for having FL matching a US dryers,just look at a typical italian setting LMAO! storage.onweb.it/4d9dc733b4104/fi... Jokes apart (which are not much jokes)...here is some installations and websites www.onedry.it/gallery-one-dry-asc... www.ventaria.it/... asciugatricegasmetano.it/page/2/... www.asciugatriceagas.com/prodotti... etc... | ||
| Post# 837660 , Reply# 80 8/21/2015 at 15:43 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 837680 , Reply# 81 8/21/2015 at 18:07 (3,160 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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"typical italian setting"
I would rather say that that is not a typical italian setting.
If you want to say what is typical you have to take into account the large majority of the people. And in Italy the absolute majority of the population have a European front loader. Those that have a dryer have a European dryer. Yes there will also be those who decide to buy an American dryer, but as a percentage the number is irrelevant. Those are exceptions and not something typical. | ||
| Post# 837685 , Reply# 82 8/21/2015 at 18:53 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes...
Typical italian setting...of ones who will purchase an American dryer, it was for granted.. O_o And that was in response to him about this matter. But in any case...that was for a laugh! That's not much typical to stack a rear panel machine! LOLOLOLOLOL But believe me that whoever can would do everything to have one. Beside that, what's typical Italian is stacking, as space is often an issue, what many folks, the lucky ones who can have a dryer will likely do is putting the dryer on the top...if you stack an american dryer or not, that always stacking is... For that reason newer front panel models are what is starting being distribuited..though more expensive than basic rear-control models. Also... The number of people owning a dryer in this country is already irrilevant per-se...forget gas dryers that are so expensive and need gas hook ups and venting...which is not possible in most of cases... Not sure if you didn't follow or what... | ||
| Post# 837701 , Reply# 84 8/21/2015 at 20:26 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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More info:
For what concerns gas dryers in general.....
That's also why some dealers started carrying asian Ultra-compact models from Rinnai, along with White knight machines from UK. All dealers here typically started carrying US machines, and for most that dates back before the HE "craze" started in the US...what you had available were rear control classic machines, it's only recently that they started importing and having gas dryers with front panels, indeed meant to match front loaders and be stacked...operated with no probs. Dealers of gas dryers are in costant growth...also thanks to their presence in fairs throughout Italy. What stops many potential buyers is the impossibility to vent or a gas hook up...for the space issue they started offering those compact models...they're dear as well. If one can is of course suggested to buy an american model...dealers are honest in this...and first ones saying there's no comparison...also mostly because what is also advertised is the fact that US dryers because of their bigger drums, will cut ironing... You can read many reviews of people who are entuxhiast just about this aspect alone...and couldn't read one single negative one, some dealers were so sure of a positive response they would take their van come to your house offering a week-long trial for free. Unfortunately as I stated not all and not even the most can have this "privilege", it's already a "privilige" being able to fit a dryer in this country..a big one, or one that requires nearby gas hook up or venting is something indeed "rare" to be able to have...just the venting aspect alone is what stopped many potential buyers in buying a dryer, back in the days of early italian dryers...and those who could, ended up rarely using the thing because of energy costs. Rather surely the main reason why the condenser dryer took on for the most was indeed the impossibility for venting. Gas dryers, being also something you don't typically find sold in your average appliance shop, makes of it of course an elite-appliance, as much as was owning a side-by-side refrigerator back in 80s and 90s...which you found indeed in dealers only, dealers who also offered US toploaders and gas dryers,sure not as common and as "much" as who now deals in gas dryers. As you can understand, those who will purchase a US gas dryer, are folks who can afford it, and likely not having money issues more prone to have less space issues... Me...I'm not particularly rich, got mine second hand from an unique circumstance...nor live in castle like house (for now)...what I did is fitting mine in my kitchen/living room, very next to sofa, would have gladly put it in the bathroom next to washer..but no hook up nearby... When mom had our filter-flo shipped from US she also discussed getting a dryer...but the only place available is where mine is now,so we kept having the euro electric dryers...she refused categorically to have guests next to a dryer...me I simply don't give a rat's..and if it bothers you, then GTHO my house! LOL But that's me. I bless the day the Speed Queen entered in service in my home....and so does my neighbor after seing mine..she bought a set (her apt is double the size of mine)..and still thanks me now. | ||
| Post# 837716 , Reply# 85 8/22/2015 at 01:30 (3,160 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
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| Post# 837740 , Reply# 86 8/22/2015 at 08:15 (3,160 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 837741 , Reply# 87 8/22/2015 at 08:46 (3,160 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 837746 , Reply# 88 8/22/2015 at 09:33 (3,160 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Self heating launderette machines
Are sadly not that common due to the huge amount of energy needed as some of them have 6kw heaters to allow them to be fast cycled, If you find an establishment with self heating machines then let everyone know as I have found that even machines with a temp selector have bridging across the thermostat terminals to make the washer think its reached its set temp. I have never seen a launderette with domestic machines in situ I will of course keep my eyes open.
I have a lot of white laundry and Persil non bio is by the best at high temps and Ariel for non white washing its now back to being a good all rounder as the stain additives have gone off the shelf and back in to the product so no need to purchase separately anymore. Austin | ||
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Post# 837789 , Reply# 90 8/22/2015 at 19:27 (3,159 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Self-heating laundromat washers one used in France and perhaps elsewhere on the Continent were steam fed. This makes sense as steam is one of the more efficient ways of providing heat. Hence the reason commercial laundries going back through the years to the first "steam laundries" used vapor not only for heating but perhaps to provide motive or generate electrical power.
That being said these days regulation as least in much of the United States limits who can operate boilers. Know in NYS boilers above a certain PSI require certification and or a license. To become a superintendent of a NYC building with steam heat for instance requires such certification. Ditto for running a steam locomotive (well if you could find one, *LOL*) and so forth. Of course here in NYC buildings/businesses can purchase steam from Con Edison directly as well. | ||
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Post# 837792 , Reply# 91 8/22/2015 at 19:34 (3,159 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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@lej
If your gran had access to a semi or even fully automatic washer, then no her laundry day wouldn't have been *that* much different from our own modern times.
Am willing to bet your great-grandmother or her mother however would have a different story. Again when automatic or even semi-auto washers came in, boiling as a routine part of washday went out. Unless you were washing really gross things, someone had been sick, perhaps nappies the mechanical action of washer along with a good dose of soap/detergent and hot water did just fine. Some women liked busy-work so they boiled anyway because that is how they felt things should have be done. District nurse would come around and tell mothers if they had washer boiling nappies wasn't needed. Some mothers or more likely their mothers felt differently so boiling continued. | ||
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Post# 837802 , Reply# 93 8/22/2015 at 21:00 (3,159 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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