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Thread Number: 60838
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| Post# 834694 , Reply# 1 8/1/2015 at 00:13 (3,183 days old) by A440 () | ||
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That starting and stopping of the Kenmore would drive me crazy! | ||
Post# 834702 , Reply# 2 8/1/2015 at 03:10 (3,183 days old) by askolover  (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Neither! | ||
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Post# 834710 , Reply# 3 8/1/2015 at 07:07 (3,182 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I was disappointed as well. Everyone's "Oh" and "Ah" about the industry's biggest motor that Maytag claims to have put in there... and then this. The spray intensity looks no better than on other dishwashers - the only difference is that all arms spray at once. And what did I read in the review? PowerBlast takes close to four hours, uses 10 gallons of water and still had issues with some dirt being sprayed back on the dishes.
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| Post# 834711 , Reply# 4 8/1/2015 at 07:17 (3,182 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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I don't think it's bad At least, three spray arms... | ||
| Post# 834803 , Reply# 6 8/2/2015 at 05:16 (3,182 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
My Maytag is from 2014 | ||
| Post# 834818 , Reply# 7 8/2/2015 at 07:29 (3,181 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida) | ||
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2014 Maytag dishwasher videos....click the link CLICK HERE TO GO TO Magic_Clean's LINK | ||
| Post# 834891 , Reply# 8 8/2/2015 at 22:32 (3,181 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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They did a Miele dishwasher too : | ||
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Post# 834897 , Reply# 9 8/2/2015 at 23:10 (3,181 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI) |
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The Kenmores starting and stopping would drive me insane too, seems like a waste of time! Akin to how our Samsungtag washer would start and stop spinning a bunch of times to balance the load before finally spinning drove me nuts. I can piss harder then that Kenmore can spray. | ||
| Post# 834909 , Reply# 10 8/3/2015 at 01:46 (3,181 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I agree, the spray power is nothing compared to older machines, but I will say, I have seen worse with modern dishwashers. The spray in the Maytag as well as the Wp/Km resource saver models is better than I had expected, and has enough power to get the water to every corner. Paired with 3 hour cycle times, I'm sure that the soil is more than gone and flushed away after that duration. As always, with proper loading and scraping of large food soils, I can see these dishwashers performing well on a Normal cycle. Sadly though, most people won't read the manual, and anything that goes wrong will automatically be the machine's fault.
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| Post# 835121 , Reply# 11 8/4/2015 at 21:25 (3,179 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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So to clarify - | ||
| Post# 835200 , Reply# 12 8/5/2015 at 13:10 (3,178 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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The spray arm action may depend on the model being shown. I know on Miele's not all models sold in the USA have alternating spray arms. . So far all of the Miele vids I have seen on reviewed.com have only showed models without alternating spray arms. | ||
| Post# 835241 , Reply# 13 8/5/2015 at 18:38 (3,178 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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Oh boy.... ...Even lower score then the TOL maytag. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washerdude's LINK | ||
| Post# 835286 , Reply# 14 8/5/2015 at 23:30 (3,178 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Gosh - that looks almost like
my Maytag (with very little differences) and it's awesome.
It's even more awesome since someone (I think cleanteamofny) gave a tip on here a few weeks ago about adding a little liquid bleach at the beginning of a cycle (which I just pour like a shot glass (give or take) on the dishwasher door, put a finish powerball tab in the dishwasher dispenser and close. When done the interior is so much cleaner looking with less spots and not a single dirty dish using auto clean with no dry, which runs about 90 to 100 min's. I was afraid the bleach would affect the enzymes but it doesn't since I think it gets rinsed away before the main wash starts. | ||
| Post# 835557 , Reply# 15 8/7/2015 at 12:12 (3,176 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
The maytag I have has the wash system just before the stainless arms. The pump is larger, the arms are lighter and seem to have stronger pressure. I don't really have issues with my maytag as long as I make sure the water is hot from the beginning and I don't use heated dry anymore either.
That being said, I placed my order for a Miele G 6505 because I wanna give my Maytag to my mom. I ordered a black door and bezel for mine so I can put it in her kitchen with her black appliances. I am excited for my Miele. I thought about ordering a bosch but I had a customer come buy a Miele dishwasher so I was able to tag my machine on there as well. | ||
| Post# 835561 , Reply# 16 8/7/2015 at 12:27 (3,176 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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I think Chlorine bleach cancels enzyme activity, but it might be ok if your first fill is a prewash and not the main wash using detergent with enzymes. | ||
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Post# 835850 , Reply# 17 8/10/2015 at 01:33 (3,174 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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I looked
at one of those new Maytags at Home Depot a few months ago and it just seems flimsy inside...Whirlpools and Kitchenaids too. Those stainless wash arms "look" big...but underneath it's just a small pipe fastened to the wide shiny stainless top piece. That's when I decided to just keep my old one and get a spare from the same era and do my best to keep them alive and kicking. My stockpile of parts has begun for both machines has begun!
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Post# 835862 , Reply# 18 8/10/2015 at 07:17 (3,173 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New MT DWs Work VERY well, I though the video showed very good water pressure. One of the problems with alternating spray arms on WP built DWs is the distribution valve and motor assembly has been a major source of problems and water leaks which is resulting in lots of property damage from ruined kitchen floors and ceilings below the kitchen. It is just another thing to go wrong that does not need to be in a DW in the first place.
I would much rather have a DW that washes everything when ever the motor is running, a DW does not need to be silent.
John L. | ||
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Post# 836017 , Reply# 19 8/10/2015 at 23:02 (3,173 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 836031 , Reply# 20 8/11/2015 at 00:44 (3,173 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Silence | ||
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Post# 837361 , Reply# 21 8/19/2015 at 16:01 (3,164 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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very disappointed! Maytag should be ashamed of themselves! "Most powerful motor in the industry" is a lie! It is a scam! Shame on you Maytag! Shame on you! | ||
| Post# 839082 , Reply# 22 9/1/2015 at 18:22 (3,151 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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| Post# 839222 , Reply# 23 9/2/2015 at 12:12 (3,150 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
I actually put this new Maytag on my parents' dishwasher short list.
The pressure actually looks good for modern day machines, and both racks at a time. Honestly, if it can wash the whole load at once? It really DOES have the most powerful motor on the current market. Not that many dishwashers can wash both racks at a time anymore. | ||
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Post# 843277 , Reply# 24 9/28/2015 at 18:19 (3,124 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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whirlpool vs maytag I actually compared this video of this Maytag dishwasher to a Whirlpool dishwasher with the hard food disposer. I have to say that the Whirlpool sounded much more powerful than the Maytag! The video is called inside whirlpool dishwasher with camera! Boy was that dishwasher powerful! | ||
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Post# 870545 , Reply# 25 3/4/2016 at 17:23 (2,966 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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whirlpool point voyager vs maytag dishwasher pumps Which of the wash pumps still have a coolling fan? the original whirlpool point voyager, new maytags or both? How big are both of these pumps? | ||
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Post# 870695 , Reply# 26 3/5/2016 at 15:45 (2,965 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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quality Also, I heard that Maytags have stainlesssteel, perd. I'd go for the white one with front controls. I want my dishwashes to be built tough. To me, it matters what dishwasher I'd get. I am all about quality. | ||
| Post# 870699 , Reply# 27 3/5/2016 at 16:10 (2,965 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 870710 , Reply# 29 3/5/2016 at 17:38 (2,965 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 870712 , Reply# 30 3/5/2016 at 17:53 (2,965 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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What difference does it make whether the motors have fans or not. Many motors have not had fans on them in years. They're just open chassis designs for convection cooling. Some might have little fins on their rotors, but that's it. The Point Voyagers have no real fans in them to my knowledge.
The DC magnet motors you so scorn as not tough, in new GE and Frigidaire machines, DO have little cooling fans in them. The WP Durawash plastic housed motors are the only induction type dishwasher motor with a true cooling fan. So I have no idea what you think you're hearing. | ||
| Post# 870714 , Reply# 31 3/5/2016 at 18:12 (2,965 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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What would you guys
consider a satisfactory amount of time to own a dishwasher before it dies? If you buy a dishwasher, and it lasts 9 years with no problems, then it suddenly dies, would you feel you got your money's worth? Or does it need to last longer than that? My last dishwasher was a Whirlpool 2005 point voyager. It lived for 9 years and 2 months and then died a horrible death. You should have heard it. It sounded TERRIBLE! Just before it died, it drained out all of the water (thank God!) I hope my current Maytag lasts at least that long. If it does, I will be happy.....Would I like them to last even longer? Sure! But with today's appliances, I'm not holding my breath - but so far, this Maytag is the best dishwasher I've ever had.
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Post# 870716 , Reply# 32 3/5/2016 at 18:19 (2,965 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Rule of thumb for us here in my household for things like washer, dryer, DW etc: 100€ investment = 1 year. That includes warranty, price of the new item, service actions, parts etc. Though not actually in any relation to any real life factors, it seems to be what we feel as good value. | ||
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Post# 870717 , Reply# 33 3/5/2016 at 18:20 (2,965 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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running with peak performance I want my dishwasher pump to run without overheating and with peak performance. | ||
| Post# 870724 , Reply# 35 3/5/2016 at 18:51 (2,965 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Hey I like that 100$/£ = 1 year.
Seems fair to me! Jerome it doesn't really matter. What in heaven sake will you do when dishwasher motors no longer have fans period? Motors with fans mean they need cooling. Which means energy is being converted to heat, which is waste. I would figure any motor not needing a fan would be more efficient. | ||
| Post# 870727 , Reply# 36 3/5/2016 at 19:05 (2,965 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Mark, That used to be 7 years on average, when used every day. But now Consumer reports doesn't know everything. I am sure a DW ran every day on the super hot long cycle fries the board sooner if nothing else. Heat and humidity are enemies of microchips, and motors. | ||
| Post# 870754 , Reply# 38 3/5/2016 at 23:26 (2,965 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I just watched that video again
at the top of this post. A couple of things that suck really bad about that video.....they way they seem to show it in progress at regular speed while it's still filling with water, flashing back n forth between the top and bottom rack while it's still filling with water, then when it's finally done filling, they speed it up.....To me, it's so stupid to make a video inside a dishwasher, then alter it. I mean, the whole point is so that we can see what really goes on, not sped up.
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| Post# 870765 , Reply# 39 3/6/2016 at 00:31 (2,965 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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@Mark - THANK YOU!!! I love that they are even doing videos like that, but people that actually care about seeing them DO NOT want them sped up. The whole point is being able to accurately see what's going on, to be able to see the exact spray patterns and how the jets are aimed and what speed the arms rotate at.
Also, I think the question of "what is a reasonable lifetime for an appliance" is an excellent question that I feel can be different for each person. In my way of thinking, I think an excellent appliance would run flawlessly or near flawlessly (with minor repairs, like maybe a wash arm bearing) for 10-15 years. Some people may argue more, but my reasoning for that timeframe relies on a few factors. I think my aunt's WP PowerClean is the best example I have; excellent machine, excellent performance, build quality, design, etc. It is a MOL model bought in 2003 when the house was built, and has been running nearly every single day, sometimes twice daily, and has had no issues to speak of until very recently that it's begun making a horrible rumbling and sometimes failing to drain. My assumption is that the drain impeller may be chipped or broken or that something is caught in the chamber preventing the check ball from opening, etc. That's basically 13 years with no problem. Now, of course the machine can be easily repaired and can last for another 5, maybe 10 years, but at the same time, the design is showing its age. It's a magnificent dishwasher still to this day, but it was also designed alongside detergents at the time that had phosphates and worked properly with a 10-12 minute main wash. Detergents aren't designed for that now. All of us here know very well how to make a "vintage" machine do its job just as well as a modern designed one, but 99% of the rest of society don't care, my aunt being one of them. So in my honest opinion for her, it may be time to let the beast rest because she could care less about making sure to use heavier cycles or options to compensate for the time the detergent needs to work. That said, in 13 years, will my current modern WP still be "designed" to work with whatever chemicals we're using in 2029? The other factor that comes to mind is that most people, myself included, get the itch for a "new" gadget even if the one they have works perfectly fine. If I have my dishwasher or washing machine for 10-15 years before a malfunction, I'll probably be MORE than ready to have something new and up to date regardless of how much I loved the previous appliance. This post was last edited 03/06/2016 at 00:54 | ||
| Post# 870787 , Reply# 40 3/6/2016 at 05:20 (2,965 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Very true about older machines and new detergents. With my Hobart KA, I now use powdered Cascade. I bought the ginourmous box at Sam's so I measure it into a disposable Ziplock container and add about half the amount in STPP. I think these powdered (and liquid) detergents are still being made with older machines in mind. You can tell just by reading the directions....the pacs say to use one per load, while the powder says to fill all detergent cups completely for best results. Older machines do wash faster and I can't even imagine using say, the Finish tabs in my machine. I honestly don't think they would dissolve completely by the time it drains...if anything I'd put it in the prewash compartment so at least it would be released early on. The Sam's pacs weren't too bad...I just used 1 in each cup, but they produced a lot more foam than the Cascade powder. They dissolved very quickly, as would the Cascade pacs I imagine...they look softer than the Finish rock hard tabs lol.
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| Post# 870875 , Reply# 41 3/6/2016 at 16:41 (2,964 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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@ Andrew
Yes - I know exactly what you mean. I've been itching for a new front load washer for YEARS honestly, but my Duet keeps pumping out clean clothes with no issues! I like the cool new things too. But I also appreciate the fact that it's lasting as long as it has and does it's job, so I'm not about to get rid of it until it DIES!
Good point about the detergents now vs then, but I don't EVER remember (even the older dishwashers) having a main wash cycle that only lasted 10 to 13 minutes. I think my grandma's old WP 1984 dishwasher even ran an hour or so before the cycle was done? I may be wrong......I just don't ever remember those older 80s/90s dishwashers completing a cycle that quickly..... | ||
| Post# 870876 , Reply# 42 3/6/2016 at 16:48 (2,964 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Cycle times | ||
| Post# 870880 , Reply# 43 3/6/2016 at 17:15 (2,964 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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But how would it even have time
to heat the water with 10 to 13 min's between drain/fills?
Maybe I just never paid that much attention with past dishwashers - but I know when the cycle was done, you opened the door, steam poured out...so I assumed the dishwashers were heating the water regardless if they had a hi temp wash button or not...but I would think it would need to run longer than that between fills and drains to heat the water.....I dunno. Maybe I'm just remembering wrong. | ||
| Post# 870891 , Reply# 44 3/6/2016 at 19:11 (2,964 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 870970 , Reply# 45 3/7/2016 at 07:41 (2,963 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 871082 , Reply# 46 3/7/2016 at 17:45 (2,963 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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@ joeypete | ||
| Post# 871087 , Reply# 47 3/7/2016 at 18:06 (2,963 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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If I'm not mistaken, that was Whirlpool's very first iteration of any silverware "focused" feature that wasn't just aimed nozzles on the wash arms, and I think they're the first to have tried and succeeded with that feature as well. I can't seem to find any documentation of any dishwasher manufacturer that had anything like the TurboZone or Silverware Blast before Whirlpool first had them on their machines. They've come a long way with it though; the silverware spraybar in my machine now has much better coverage and seems to address any issues with the basket being built onto the door. I think it's cool to see that in the Maytag, they used the same coupling on for the silverware blast that was normally used for the PowerScour/TurboZone bars. Same little junction with steel balls that were magnetically shifted to redirect water from the upper arms to the other spray zone. I would have loved to have one of those machines when they were available. I wonder why they stopped offering it as a feature by the time Mark and I got our Maytags.
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| Post# 871103 , Reply# 48 3/7/2016 at 19:36 (2,963 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Wash times | ||
| Post# 871110 , Reply# 49 3/7/2016 at 20:03 (2,963 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I just did a bobload of dishes today in my Maytag
and I timed it using autoclean. I guess it really does do soil sensing because using ONLY the autoclean option, it rain 103 minutes with no dry......the last time I ran autoclean it ran 91 min's with no dry.
@ Andrew - I wondered the same thing when I watched that video. I kind of wish my silverware holder was in the door for more room. But I often end up just putting stuff on TOP of the silverware holder itself, since there is enough vertical space to allow clearance without blocking the upper spray arm, and they still come clean...... | ||
| Post# 871115 , Reply# 50 3/7/2016 at 20:34 (2,963 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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