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Post# 125259   4/28/2006 at 23:36 (6,543 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Don S.(jetaction) is in Omaha this weekend to work on his Maytag 142 washer. He brought an A702 along to take the tub to use in this machine. We had no trouble getting the agitator, tub nut and tub out of the 702...but the 142 was a bit more difficult to tear down. We had to cut every single part out with a Dremel...take a look.

Here is the panel of the 142, he has another panel from a 142 S that is in better shape and will have the suds-saver option.





Post# 125260 , Reply# 1   4/28/2006 at 23:38 (6,543 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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We had to break the agitator into small pieces to get to the spline which then took another hour of oiling, banging and coaxing to finally end up cutting out with a Dremel.

Post# 125261 , Reply# 2   4/28/2006 at 23:40 (6,543 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I highly recommend, if you don't already own one, in buying a Dremel power tool. It came in very handy tonight for every piece of this washer. Without it, we'd still be outside banging away on that spline.

Post# 125262 , Reply# 3   4/28/2006 at 23:43 (6,543 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Here is the tub mounting stem in pieces. The set-screw was so corroded and frozen, after breaking 3 allen wrenches, we grabbed the dremel and went at it. It took 5 cutting blades to get through all these parts, but it went so much faster and easier it was worth every one of them!

BTW, did anyone notice the hole pattern of the basket on the previous pics?


Post# 125263 , Reply# 4   4/28/2006 at 23:54 (6,543 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Looks like you guys have your work cut out (pardon the pun) for you this weekend. My very first Maytag was a 142B from 1958. All it needed was a fresh set of belts.

The hole pattern is strange, what's up with that?

Great pictures you guys!


Post# 125264 , Reply# 5   4/28/2006 at 23:59 (6,543 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Hey guys - that looks like fun, and a lot of work too! Dremels are great little tools - I wouldn't have thought to use it to remove parts, but a great idea! Looking forward to seeing the finished product ~

Ben


Post# 125269 , Reply# 6   4/29/2006 at 00:19 (6,543 days old) by westytoploader ()        
YAY for fix-ins

Don & Greg, looks like y'all are off to a great start! Can't wait to see more progress and see it run again!!

What was the problem with this particular machine? That old tub does look like it has seen better days, IMHO...glad you have a new one to replace it with! How strange that the agitator and other parts wouldn't budge. I'm beginning to think a Dremel is a must-have for every collector--when I bought mine I didn't think I would ever use it, which is hardly the case now...sure did come in handy when I sanded the rust spots on the Rustinghouse!! That perforation pattern in the original tub is indeed strange; have you seen other machines with it?

And I wouldn't worry about the broken Gyratator; a nice, new, sparkling white LoadSensor or PowerFlex will look just great in that machine! ;-)

*Ducks and runs*

--Austin


Post# 125278 , Reply# 7   4/29/2006 at 00:52 (6,543 days old) by spinout (Phoenix)        

Love the use of those factory authorized service tools and procedures! Wanna borrow my plasma cutter?

Post# 125298 , Reply# 8   4/29/2006 at 03:41 (6,543 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
taking a wild guess

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I wonder if the pattern didn't arise because in (slightly) earlier models, the "missing holes" would have been "left" so bigger holes for the mounting bolts could have gone there.
Missing holes? Left? Way too early for me.
I think they just used the same punch or die which punched those holes in the older tubs and couldn't add any new punches to take out the space which had previously been left for the bigger mounting holes.
Ok, that was even more confusing.
Back to lurking -


Post# 125361 , Reply# 9   4/29/2006 at 09:59 (6,542 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Austin - you're going to have to back to your rug if you don't behave ;-) Load sensor...as if!

I think you guys might be right about the hole-patterns, it does sort of smell like an AMP pattern.


Post# 125427 , Reply# 10   4/29/2006 at 17:10 (6,542 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The wear on that white tub shows what really happens in a Maytag with the high fin agitator when loaded to capacity and maybe a bit more. The clothes just move back and forth and the line worn through the white coat of porcelain corresponds to the region of the fins. The blue tubs hardly ever show that kind of wear under rough conditions, even in the coin-op machines so the blue porcelain must be more durable and maybe the white coat does not bond quite as well to the blue. This dragging action is the legacy of the 4 pronged dolly in the lid of the first wooden machines. While Maytag did not want customers to see that there was little turnover in the automatics, prefering them to visualize that what they remembered seeing in their Maytag wringer was happening inside their Maytag automatic, they pushed that bunch of hooey that it was more important to move the water through the clothes than the clothes through the water. You need both and Maytag had a different song to sing when they came out with the Neptune.

A couple of other things about the tubs in the machines with the high fin agitators is that the holes are smaller and do not go down as far as the holes in the tubs of the 06 series so there is a large solid area from the last row of holes in the tub wall to the ring of holes at the bottom. The solid area concentrates powerful water currents because they cannot be forced out of the holes opposite the fins like in the newer tubs which have larger holes anyway. This was especially noticeable when I put a black power fin in the tub of my timed-fill Highlander. The water currents, both with and without laundry, are much stronger in the older tub than in the tub of the 806.


Post# 125429 , Reply# 11   4/29/2006 at 17:17 (6,542 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
oh, tom

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gosh - that just makes so much sense. i really never have understood maytag design, even if i like their quality. thanks - your explanation makes more sense than mine does.
keven


Post# 125470 , Reply# 12   4/29/2006 at 20:06 (6,542 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
gAWD I hate jobs like that one

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I once tried to get a tub out of a 1-18 that was frozen like that. After days I rigged a winch up on the ceiling and grabbed the spin shaft hoisted it up so the whole washer was suspended in air , then whacked the shaft until nothing happend then! So I unbolted the tub from the hub and cut the hub off with my trusty Dremel!
Greg have you ever tried a Roto Zip?? Its like A dremel on steroids!!


Post# 125488 , Reply# 13   4/29/2006 at 21:18 (6,542 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        
yeah

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been through that mess before those damn tags..love my little dremel its awesome and comes in so handy..sometimes its the only way and what a way to go...

Post# 125507 , Reply# 14   4/29/2006 at 23:17 (6,542 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Keven, You were explaining missing holes at the top of the tub and I was talking about missing holes at the bottom. Gosh, that sounds worse than it really is, but it has nothing to do with Little Miss Sunbeam.

Post# 125528 , Reply# 15   4/30/2006 at 04:06 (6,542 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
missing holes

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Ok, Tom, now that is just plain silly. How empty and void is our life become when we needs must search for the lack of that which is not there?
:-)))
One thing Maytag (pre-Whirlpool) and Miele have in common is that both companies use(d) good designs forever. It is hard to believe, but so much of the design and actual parts on my 2000 Miele are identical to the 1979.
What works, works. German companies only keep parts in stock for 20 years. After that you are screwed. This means you just need to know the name of a machine a bit later in the series than you have to get the part you need. Most parts outfitters will play along, except the Vorwerk people.


Post# 125536 , Reply# 16   4/30/2006 at 05:20 (6,542 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

On major equipment-not stocking parts for older units is VERY wasteful-At where I work we have a 20 Year old German SW transmitter-and yes the agency bought up the last of the parts available--this is major equipment-such a peice cost almost $1.5 million each.it would be better for the consumer-the company and the enviornment if they would stock the parts for the older machines-the Germans do build much of their equipment to last 20 yrs or better.they should be willing to support it.i don't think it matters wether it be a washing machine or that SW transmitter.

Post# 125538 , Reply# 17   4/30/2006 at 06:26 (6,542 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
right you are

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Rex,
You are right. Unfortunately, we have the same problem here in Germany - two generations later - that the US has. The companies are run by "junge, dynamische Manager" who have one philosphy: screw the shareholders, screw the customers. Make a short term profit and raise your salary; when the company goes belly-up pull the rip-cord on your golden parachute and that was that.
For many years now, the big companies have been freed of their tax-debts here. They have been granted every exception and financial support they wanted as a response to the thinly-veiled threat this would save jobs, i.e., they would otherwise export their production to China.
Well, the quality - Germany's only selling point against the competition - is falling, jobs are disappearing anyway and the companies could care less. I still have a few acquaintances in the white goods repair business - they have upped their inventories enormously, 'cause that is the only way to keep their customers or gain new ones when the manufacturer tells them a perfectly good product has to be thrown away because a fifty-cent part isn't deliverable.
We never learn.


Post# 125544 , Reply# 18   4/30/2006 at 08:03 (6,542 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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Once again, the good 'ol US blazes the trail for the world. The country that once told us:

"Use it up, wear it out; make it do, or do without"

I hope Arnold's Hummer blows a rod soon.


Post# 125545 , Reply# 19   4/30/2006 at 08:05 (6,541 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Nothing more frustrating than to have a goal in mind, and a mental time-frame of when you want to finnish the job----------and the damn machine won't cooperate! Yeah, the dremel was likely less impact than a sledge hammer, but after all that hassle, a sledge hammer is better at stress relief!

I have always associated the worn down white procelain on the 'tags tubs with years of heavy use------not years of overloading. I suppose it could be some of both. Lots of jeans, overalls, etc. with stiff fabrics and heavy metal buttons and zippers to scrape along the tub as they make the turn and start their way back up from the bottom of the tub. These machines in "farm" service will really show some wear!

My older 'tags (early sixties type Highlanders) with either the solid center-post or filter type center-post agitators ALL have great roll-over. It is fun to watch the action with three or four pair of stiff new jeans comprising the load. LOTS of splashy action! Like most machines, I guess it just depends on how you load them, I have a pretty good eye for what looks just right for a load in these old machines. One wash cloth too many and the roll-over stops-----but that can also be said of many other machines when overloaded.

Hope you guys are having fun and look forward to seeing the 142 up and running with the "new" tub------mission accomplished!


Post# 125549 , Reply# 20   4/30/2006 at 08:35 (6,541 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Greg and Gary:

Been there, done that so many times. It is a blast taking those machines apart. I am always amazed at how different each and every Maytag restoration is, even though it could be an exact repeat.

Thanks for the Dremel advise, I do have one, but always chose the hard way I guess. NOT ANY LONGER!

Austin - you are truly an agitator with your agitators.

Steve



Post# 125550 , Reply# 21   4/30/2006 at 08:36 (6,541 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
CORRECTION

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please excuse gary in the last post and replace with Don. I am so sorry Don.

Steve


Post# 125720 , Reply# 22   4/30/2006 at 23:47 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
May is Maytag Month!!

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Post# 125721 , Reply# 23   4/30/2006 at 23:48 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
...and our feature machine is:

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1958 Model 142S

Post# 125722 , Reply# 24   4/30/2006 at 23:49 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Hee hee...

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Post# 125723 , Reply# 25   4/30/2006 at 23:49 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Just kidding!

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Here is the REAL inside!

Post# 125724 , Reply# 26   4/30/2006 at 23:50 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Night Vision

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Post# 125726 , Reply# 27   4/30/2006 at 23:53 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Remember that icky tub that was in the 142? We replaced it with a donor tub from an A702... Pretty!

Post# 125728 , Reply# 28   4/30/2006 at 23:55 (6,541 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Here is Don cleaning the agitator from the A702 (this one didn't shatter when we removed it from the machine) what an icky mess...

Post# 125729 , Reply# 29   12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,810 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Very NICE!!!!

Post# 125730 , Reply# 30   12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,810 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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While we were disassembling the A702 for it's tubs and other parts, I kept thinking that it showed signs of oil in the washtub. Since this is rather rare for a Maytag, they usually drip oil from the bottom of the machine) I didn't want to believe it. My suspicions were correct when we found this hole in the agitator skirt. This hole would have breached the air-bubble usually formed under the agitator that protects the shaft and seals from getting wet. Water seeped into the transmission, forcing oil back into the washtub. It looks as though a nail or screw might have pierced the agitator (and scraped the tub - see earlier tub pic) which prevented the air bubble from forming each time it was used. We repaired the hole and a slight crack in this part with JB Weld, but eventually Don will need to find another Filter-Gyratator to replace it.

Post# 125771 , Reply# 31   5/1/2006 at 07:07 (6,541 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Hee Heee Heee Indeed!

You need to quit! LMAO
That machine looks beautiful. I know Don loves it. Ya'll must have had a great time this weekend. Thanks for sharing with us!


Post# 125790 , Reply# 32   5/1/2006 at 08:31 (6,540 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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As we say in Armenian: "Aferim"!!! (Combine "Bravo" and "Mazel-Tov"! and you get the idea).

What a freakin' gorgeous machine! And it even has my beloved Maytag timed bleach dispenser. Would an A206 agitator fit on that drive post? (only half-serious).


Post# 125791 , Reply# 33   5/1/2006 at 08:33 (6,540 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Post# 125722-4/30/2006-23:49

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Huh?

Post# 125792 , Reply# 34   5/1/2006 at 08:35 (6,540 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
oh - should know better than to just believe one picture

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:-)))
Ok, you pulled my leg on that one. Brief pause here, while I screw it back in.
Looks great - and I am very impressed by the JB-Weld patch. How'd ya get it so smooth?


Post# 125793 , Reply# 35   5/1/2006 at 08:38 (6,540 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Wow what a difference you guys! The "new" 142 looks like new! Does the Speed Queen filter reach down and grab water from the Maytag?

Post# 125881 , Reply# 36   5/1/2006 at 15:39 (6,540 days old) by westytoploader ()        
My name is SpeedqueenGKC and I WANT THAT FILTER!!!

That Maytag looks BEAUTIFUL now--new for 1958!! I bet both you and Don are really impressed about how it turned out; I know I am!!! Definitely something to be proud of!!

And that SQ filter/dispenser is just HUGE...almost swallows up all the space in that tub! At first glance I thought it was a GE Mini-Basket. Could I buy it from you? ;-)

*Ducks and runs*

--Austin


Post# 125941 , Reply# 37   5/1/2006 at 20:53 (6,540 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Now that's what I'm talking about! One fantastic resto, done! Don, you have a beautiful machine there, you should be very proud of it. The hard work you two put into it seems to have really paid off big time. On the re-assembly, did you use brand new parts (tub seal, etc?)

Hard to believe that washers were once beautiful. They don't get much better than this ;-)

Ben


Post# 125953 , Reply# 38   5/1/2006 at 21:41 (6,540 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Great job you guys! That machine looks like it just rolled off the assembly line! The older style Maytag center timer machines always steal the show

Congratulations!



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