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Post# 839161   9/2/2015 at 05:38 (3,158 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        

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I was looking at the Colgate/Palmolive Australian website last night just to have a look at Hurricane lemon liquid,(one of the few detergents I haven't used yet.),and noticed that as of August 31,Henkel have acquired the Australian laundry arm of Colgate-Palmolive.
I wonder if they will change any of the brands or formulas of the various brands, or even bring in new ones for we Aussies to try.





Post# 839271 , Reply# 1   9/2/2015 at 17:35 (3,157 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Finally--that was CP's last stand for laundry in the first world.


Post# 839620 , Reply# 2   9/4/2015 at 23:42 (3,155 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Introduction of Persil

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This might see the introduction of Persil laundry detergent on the Australian market.

Post# 839621 , Reply# 3   9/4/2015 at 23:52 (3,155 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Before long all of our detergents will probably come from China anyway. When that happens god save us all.

Post# 839627 , Reply# 4   9/5/2015 at 00:36 (3,155 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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It will be interesting to see what happens as a result of this. I'll be very happy if we do get a version of Persil on our shelves. Although people might not be too happy if old favourites like Dynamo and Cold Power go missing from the shelves.

Post# 839631 , Reply# 5   9/5/2015 at 01:26 (3,155 days old) by washer111 ()        
This is Interesting

I was not expecting such a thing to happen.

What will be interesting is seeing which PLU's/items are kept, and which are consigned to the dustbin of the past. Of those that are kept, it will be interesting to see which direction Henkel is going to take them in the next few years.

If I remember correctly, I think its Omo here that supposedly replicates either Ariel or Persil. Its likely, however, that the formula in use is different, to reflect the fact that the majority of laundry in this country is done in (*SHRIEK!*) cold water.

What would be nice is having Europeans detergents more accessible, and reasonably priced. I am not sure if any are to be found in "boutique-stores" for those wishing to retain that of "The Mother Country," and whether it is even affordable(!)


Post# 839634 , Reply# 6   9/5/2015 at 01:44 (3,155 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Rapunzel I hear you

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I currently buy my detergents from Germany and have them shipped out. Henkel will probably expand in dishwasher detergent as well with Somat.

I'm using Somat in my Miele dishwasher and it leaves Finish for dead, both the powder and the tabs.



Post# 839635 , Reply# 7   9/5/2015 at 01:53 (3,155 days old) by washer111 ()        
@Mielerod

Interesting comment about the Somat detergent vs. Finish. Whats the water in your area like in terms of mineral content? (It seems Finish is the only holdout with Phosphates still present)

We've found that Finish leaves everything else for dead; aside from "Kwit" which I'm 99% certain is just a rebadged product.


Post# 839647 , Reply# 8   9/5/2015 at 05:29 (3,155 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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OMO is made in NZ...where it is badged Persil.

 

Levers used to sell Persil in Oz, and I'm not sure why they changed the name to OMO in the 1960's.

 

Be great if we got some German detergent formulations. I won't miss Dynamo, Cold Power or basically anything else that CP make.


Post# 839655 , Reply# 9   9/5/2015 at 06:29 (3,155 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I buy the Finish Classic 2x Concentrate powder for the same reason. Other powders (those with the blue stuff mixed in with the white powder), leave blue sticky residue in my dishwasher and streaks on my dishes. Finish leaves them for dead. I usually buy mine from Costco and it is made in Korea. Nothing on the packaging hints at the presence or absence of phosphates. They are two two kilo bottles in a pack and I am pretty sure I pay less than $25. A lot less than what I would fork out at Woolies or Coles for a smaller bottle. I put less than a tea spoon in each detergent compartment and the dishes come out clean.

How much does it cost to have Somat shipped to Oz and at what quantities?

As for German detergents, I am not a great fan. I find that they are too heavily scented and every time I come back it takes several washes to get the smell out of my clothes.





This post was last edited 09/05/2015 at 08:37
Post# 839656 , Reply# 10   9/5/2015 at 06:37 (3,155 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa)        
Persil Ultimate/OMO Ultimate

This might be a tad off topic, but a few months back a friend went to NZ to look at the possibility of emigrating (which he has now done) but when he came back he came back with a box of Persil Ultimate front load, which I understand to be the same as OMO ultimate in Oz. Just wanna say that it's the best powder I've ever used. I use it on my beddding as it revives the colours so well, and I don't think my whites have ever been so white. I washed my apron and kitchen towels on a 30 mins quick wash at 40C and everything came out cleaner than what it would have with our SA omo auto on the quick cycle. And I just love the fresh fragrance. We don't have a similar fragrance on any of our local detergents.
So if any Oz or NZ members are planning a trip to Cape Town, SA, a box of Persil Ultimate or OMO ultimate would be much appreciated:)


Post# 839673 , Reply# 11   9/5/2015 at 07:57 (3,155 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Henkel

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bought Dial Corp here a while back and is formulating here in the States. And they have introduced Persil as we've all been talking about this summer. 

Henkel has what I think a good profile for a manufacturer, one that strives to produce good working products and make a dollar. 

They were the first to bring out a synthetic detergent formulation, I think in the 1930's. So they have been in the market a long time.

 

I have found the German and US versions of Persil to be good working products. And if I recall correctly they manufacture Dixan now in the Netherlands. Louis sent some Dixan back in the 1940's I really liked it.

 

I first saw OMO in England back in the 1980's at an all JetAction laundromat in London. I really like the scent that the Oz Omo carries it is different.


Post# 839690 , Reply# 12   9/5/2015 at 10:46 (3,155 days old) by washer111 ()        
@rapunzel

My only indications have been three things:

- Trying to pull up Finish MSDS' for the product. Most recently about 6-8 months ago, with a sheet labelled from about 2013 or 2014.
- The tablets still advertise the presence
- Most manufacturers make a song and dance about how "eco-friendly" their products supposedly are.

So, other than this anecdotal evidence - I have nothing. IIRC, I posted links to the MSDS at one point in the past, so I may pull up the post and paste in some links for everyone.


Post# 839734 , Reply# 13   9/5/2015 at 18:31 (3,154 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"Louis sent some Dixan back in the 1940's "

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Had no idea you two went back that far....


*LOL*


Post# 839740 , Reply# 14   9/5/2015 at 18:54 (3,154 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Somat vs Finish

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Somat Gold still has phosphates in it, like Finish. Stiftung Warentest tested some phosphate free versions and the only one which matched Somat was Fit Power Tabs 12. Finish All in 1 Turbo Dry which has phosphates came in 3rd

Since using Somat, I find that the dishwasher filter stays cleaner and the stainless steel interior is shinier. I'm using a Miele G643Vi dishwasher.

Rapunzel, I have a mailbox which forwards my goods to AUS. Last time I bought a 3 kg bag of Somat for 5.99 euros along with other stuff. It states on the bag 120 loads. When I get stuff shipped I try to get a good mix of various items to make up the most effective weight to products ratio. From memory dividing the cost of freight with the items I bought, I think it was 4 euros per item. So that bag cost me $17 all up at the time and I bought it back in March and I'm still using it.


Post# 839874 , Reply# 15   9/6/2015 at 19:37 (3,153 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Thank you Rod,

I have, in the past, tried to order stuff from German websites, but always found that there was a problem either with their billing, dispatch or availability. Many companies won't send products to Oz. How do did you come by a German mailbox?

On Finish, the formulation that I use may be different to what was tested by Stiftung Warentest. I don't like pods and tablets, preferring to use powder in my machine's dispensers and Finish powder ticks all my boxes for performance. If you shop at Costco get a couple of bottles and make your own comparisons. They are very competitively priced. You wouldn't be wasting your money.


Post# 839950 , Reply# 16   9/7/2015 at 06:29 (3,153 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
Wont miss Dynamo or Cold Power either

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I agree with you Chris, I wont
miss Dynamo or Cold Power either, if Henkel decide to get rid of it, horrible, thick gluggy liquid goo.
I vaguely remember seeing an ad on youtube quite a while ago about a German detergent called Spee, I think, from memory it had a little racoon type character in it, maybe we will get that.
Like you I can't remember either why Lever and Kitchen changed the name Persil to OMO sometime in the 1960's either, would love to know why though.
For any interest out there Hurricane has a nice light lemon fragrance, not thick like the horrors mentioned above, haven't tried it yet though, got half a bottle of the new fragrant Surf to finish off yet.


Post# 839951 , Reply# 17   9/7/2015 at 06:33 (3,153 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
Memo to Washer 111

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Just noticed your post about boutique type stores selling "Mother Country' detergents, if you live in Sydney, there is a store in Skygarden, Pitt street called "Treats from home", and they sell British Persil, but it is quite pricey, the last time I saw, and it was quite a while ago, it was around $50 for a 3kg box.

Post# 839963 , Reply# 18   9/7/2015 at 07:30 (3,153 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Believe that Spee was a former East German brand...very unlikely you'll get it as such in AU.

Post# 839966 , Reply# 19   9/7/2015 at 07:40 (3,153 days old) by washer111 ()        
Thanks TwinnieFan

Although I am not anywhere near Sydney, unfortunately. $50 for 3KG of Persil would soon add up to something closer to $600, after flights, accomodation, shipping & handling (and settling) are all factored in :P

 

I think the new Rosalie's would come in cheaper - even with the lovely cost of shipping across the (reasonably large) ditch!


Post# 839980 , Reply# 20   9/7/2015 at 09:15 (3,153 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
"Had no idea you two went back that far...."

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Actually had no idea I went back that far! lol

Post# 839983 , Reply# 21   9/7/2015 at 09:33 (3,153 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I can go to Blacktown and buy Filipino Tide with phosphates.

A discontinuation of Cold Power Powder would not be a good thing. I still buy this product regularly and use it for hot, warm and (yes, I know, *shriek!!!*) cold washes. It's scent I find quite attractive; I am referring to the regular Cold Power scent. It is lovely, but not overpowering and, since I don't use softeners, it leaves just a hint of a scent after drying. I've been buying American Ajax and Dynamo liquid detergents from the Chemist Warehouse of late and a tub of Kirkland multi-purpose detergent is always present in my laundry. The Cold Power suspended powder liquid has always been a reliable product, especially whilst traveling and having to use commercial laundromats. It's scent evokes nostalgic memories of fun times during holidays.

I sincerely hope that they will not change the current product line-up too much. Instead they should just add some boutique products for the boutique types among us. Powder has always been my thing, not liquids so much. They are a secondary choice and I find that the German detergents smell much stronger and linger in my clothes longer.


Post# 840322 , Reply# 22   9/8/2015 at 22:58 (3,151 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Olav,

We had issues with all three racks rusting in our 3 yo Miele earlier this year. Miele replace the racks for free, but as part of that suggested that we only use powder. As I'd heard that numerous times from Royal Doulton and the like, that they don't recommend tablets that didn't seem like such a bad idea.

The one thing we've found that Finish powder doesn't work on, is Starches. If you take a pot with Pasta or Potato residue in it, it wont come out shiny, regardless of how hot or long the cycle is.

We keep a package of Finish Quantum on hand to use for those dishes and use powder for the rest. Miele gave me a free pack of their tabs to try and convert me, but I'm yet to break into it and give it a try.

Regards

Nathan


Post# 840361 , Reply# 23   9/9/2015 at 08:29 (3,151 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

G'day Nathan,

That is true actually, I, too, have found that potato starch, in particular, is a problem. Because the potato starch doesn't come off with the same consistency as other soils, I've been pre-washing these pots as a result. With pasta I haven't found it to be an issue. Maybe because I put a teaspoon of olive oil in the water? There is usually no starchy residue to speak of. For cooking pots of any kind I usually pick the longest, hottest cycle and make sure the soil faces the water spray head on and solids get scraped off - no pre-rinsing, of course.

Rusty racks in a three year old Miele and they say that it is the tablet formulations? I wonder if that's been picked up by consumer review websites? Are other dishwashers similarly affected? That shouldn't be. Miele is a premium brand and this I would lay at their door step. So they recommend that you use powder, but gave you a sample of 'their' tablets. Let me ask, "what are they worth on the open markte?" Sounds to me like a bit of back-handed marketing, if you ask me.


Post# 905263 , Reply# 24   11/3/2016 at 08:27 (2,730 days old) by Mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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Hi Guys
I've noticed today that the new Henkel branded Cold Power and Dynamo products have hit our shelves. They have reformulated the liquids and powders and introduced Cold Power Dual Caps which look identical to Henkel made Persil Caps. It will be interesting to see if they bring anything else out such as Dynamo Pods.
I've bought a few things to try and so far so good considering we don't generally have a lot of stains on our laundry.

Matt


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Post# 905383 , Reply# 25   11/4/2016 at 00:00 (2,729 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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A$1 (US $.77)a load! That seems really expensive!

Post# 1125684 , Reply# 26   8/13/2021 at 06:55 (986 days old) by Intuitive (Inner West, Sydney Australia. )        
Somat Gold gel in IGA

Today at the local IGA wandering up the detergent and laundry isle, they stock brands that are not available at the big 3.
I saw a brand never seen before.. Somat dishwasher gel and two types of capsules. I don't like the whole gel capsule thing so I purchased the gel.$18 ... Not cheap but its my lockdown treat.

1st thoughts it smells nice, doest foam up in the dishdrawer. A load of pasta and baked on cheese plates coming through now. Results tomorrow



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