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Post# 839811 9/6/2015 at 05:54 (3,146 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 839816 , Reply# 1 9/6/2015 at 07:13 (3,146 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 839817 , Reply# 2 9/6/2015 at 07:30 (3,146 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 839823 , Reply# 3 9/6/2015 at 08:52 (3,146 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 839944 , Reply# 4 9/7/2015 at 05:24 (3,145 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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Post# 840014 , Reply# 5 9/7/2015 at 13:18 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Ok, here's the payoff
As one is wont to do was searching around CL in various states seeing what there was when something caught my eye. More importantly seller had misspelled name of item, which to my mind explained why it wasn't moving. An action plan was needed....
Contacted seller and made an offer including arranging to have item collected and shipped. He accepted (though in hindsight should have gone lower, but still), and agreed to payment via PayPal. Now for the shipping... Listing on UShip brought a few decent offers but the best (read cheapest) kept coming "can do it this morning......" which always arrived long after one had checked the bidding first thing AM and had moved on to rest of day. This went on for a few weeks after payment and seller wanted thing gone and one was anxious he might come to his senses so that left the dreaded Craters and Freighters..... Their quote wasn't too unreasonable, about ten to twenty percent more than lowest Uship bids. However when you factor in the surcharge Uship attaches to accepted offers the margin narrowed.. After a few weeks reasonable Uship bidders dried up so it was C&F in the end. They were contracted to collect, pack and ship item via "one of their freight shippers.." so out came the Amex. It promptly went back in again as C&F does not accept charge cards so was stuck using MasterCard.. Then they tried to do me! Came back with a final bill vastly higher than original quote. When inquired what was their game it was explained the dimensions furnished by Moi were "off" and upon arrival at their offices after collected mandatory measuring gave a different number. Pointed out where and how one came about the measurements and after some back and forth the original bid was honored. That was the last one heard from C&F..... A week or so later came home one evening and found that pictured *huge* crate blocking the hallways in front of our door. Turned out C&F's "shipper" was FedEx Ground! Apparently since no one was home they just shoved the thing indoors and left. No signature requirement, no tracking information, no communication via email, text, or telephone regarding ETA and or to confirm delivery date. Anything could have happened. One tends to avoid FedEx Ground as they are a franchise/route operation and quite honestly some of the delivery boys look fresh from JuVee. That and because unlike say UPS the thing still isn't tightly integrated. Anyone with cash can purchase a FedEx ground route and many do owning several. For the $$$ one paid C&F rather expected more but suppose they did do me a service in collecting and crating the thing so that's me for you. After changing clothes and armed with a large box cutter began to wade into tons of cardboard and Styrofoam. In the end was left with this:
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Post# 840015 , Reply# 6 9/7/2015 at 13:25 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yes *another* Pfaff Ironer from Europe...
How the thing got on these shores do not know. Am guessing it came off a yacht or something and someone (the dealer one purchased it from) wanted to make some money.
Paid $200 for the thing which in hindsight may have been a tad high but was caught up in the excitement I suppose. Thing is when one found the listed "Pfaff" was misspelled! This is probably why no one came upon the thing. Pfaff ironers are in hot demand on this side of the pond with the latest Singer version not quite up to standard. Upon uncrated it became clear why C&F tried to do me with a higher final shipping price. Despite words to seller and themselves no one bothered to fold the ironer down into its storage/shipping position. Yes boys and girls the thing was crated and shipped upright! Don't know if it is a testament to German quality design and or craftsmanship, C&F's crating/packing or a combination of all but the thing arrived undamaged. Now have been on the hunt for another Pfaff ironer for ages now but no luck. Only units ever found were in Europe and shipping out of Germany was not on.
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Post# 840019 , Reply# 7 9/7/2015 at 13:30 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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So without further adieu
Unit scrubbed up well! After that a careful examination showed areas of minor damage (paint chips and some peeling), along with small spots of rust and of course wear and tear. The rusting tells me the thing was either kept in a damp climate or used under such conditions for a long time. Hence the yacht reference. In any event the old girl has been badly treated IMHO. Her soleplate is very scratched which is evidence of repeated ironing of metal such as buttons and zippers. Despite being a later model then my current Pfaff ironer this machine obviously has seen more wear. No matter she now has a loving home and is in good hands...
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Post# 840021 , Reply# 8 9/7/2015 at 13:35 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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After being all gussied up another problem surfaced
What's this then?
Those whacky Swiss! Why must they always do things differently? I can fix that.... | ||
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Post# 840022 , Reply# 9 9/7/2015 at 13:37 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Volia!
Yes, I learned a lot from that French magician; there was nothing he didn't know.
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Post# 840024 , Reply# 10 9/7/2015 at 13:44 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Needed to sort out a roll cover. Happily had a spare that was fitted onto my other Pfaff ironer that was removed due to needing mending. That ironer has an 85cm roll whilst this is about 63cm. So out came the Pfaff 1209 sewing machine, tape measure and scissors... and volia encore... We have a new cover.
Will take some snaps of the finished product later. All this means one now has *four* ironers... Frigidaire (vintage) Ironrite (vintage fold down portable 890) Pfaff 858 Pfaff 658 Not to mention two Hurley ironer presses (one is going to be sold soon as can take snaps for a CL or eBay listing), and a Elnapress. | ||
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Post# 840037 , Reply# 11 9/7/2015 at 14:44 (3,145 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 840040 , Reply# 12 9/7/2015 at 14:54 (3,145 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Posser
Actually the best and most efficient of such hand washing devices resemble famous "Jet Cone Action" of Frigidaire washing machines. Indeed where do you think they got the idea?
Mine has small holes around the base so as one pushes down water is forced out. Others versions have more of a cone shape with channels. Again the idea is to force water up and out. For what it is worth many vintage laundry manuals didn't think much of using a posser for washing. Rinsing OTOH was fine.
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Post# 840076 , Reply# 13 9/7/2015 at 17:08 (3,145 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 840092 , Reply# 14 9/7/2015 at 18:12 (3,145 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 840136 , Reply# 15 9/7/2015 at 20:37 (3,145 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
Out of curiosity, isn't this unit (according to the label) 240v 50hz? Didn't you just put a 120v 60hz plug on? How's that going to work?
How well do rotary irons work? We've become a Miele appliance dealer and are required to order one for the first order. They are scared the iron or washer/dryer pair won't sell so they are wanting me to commit to buying them. Given my love for the brand... :/ Anyway congrats on the acquisition, thankfully it was undamaged during shipping. | ||
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Post# 840198 , Reply# 16 9/8/2015 at 08:54 (3,144 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I HEARD THAT GANSKY !! | ||
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Post# 840261 , Reply# 17 9/8/2015 at 15:06 (3,144 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Plug is a Nema 6-20P
250v/20amp plug so appliace will work on American 220v-240v power.
As for the 50hz vs 60hz I knows stuff about this ironer, remember already own another Pfaff mangle. Here are some more snaps of another unit being sold in the Pfaff's native territory. | ||
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Post# 840263 , Reply# 18 9/8/2015 at 15:28 (3,144 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Here is some sales information for both the Pfaff 858 and 658.
Pfaff as known when these ironers were produced no longer exists. As those of us who sew and use Pfaff machines know the once great German company has been sold several times. Main difference between the two models is the width of the bugelwaltz (roller); in the 858 it is 33" and the 600 series has 26". www.mangelwaren.de/Pfaff-858-stea... www.mangelwaren.de/epages/6343057... Consumer Reports tested rotary ironers from the late 1940's through mid-1950's after which they vanished from ratings. In CR's last report they stated that due to low sales many models had been discontinued and that they themselves were no longer bothering. Ironically what you see start seeing more reviews of by the early 1950's was the appliance that helped kill off ironer sales; the tumble dryer. Anywho CR stated that in general ironers that used the underfeed method (Ironrite and Bendix were the only two models sold in USA at that using such a principle), gave the best results on items most likely to be ironed at home; flatwork. These units were also less fatiguing to use since the operator does not have to reach up/over a roll to feed items into the machine. CR went on to say generally despite all the fancy claims most ironers were best at flatwork. While one in theory could do things like shirts and other sorts of apparel results varied by the skill of operator and design of machine. Would say of all my ironers the small Ironrite 890 portable is used the least. Whle it does offer single lever control instead of the more common dual knee paddles, without a speed adjustment one must resort to stopping and starting. Also the small width of roller makes the machine useless for anything but the smallest flatwork such as napkins or pillow slips. Everything else must be folded to fit which causes problems on many levels. Commercial ironers all heat from below which is natural since heat rises as Ironrite made so clear in their adverts/marketing. Pfaff took the superior Ironrite design and made updates/improvements along the way. Indeed there is a small Pfaff portable ironer that looks almost just like the Ironrite 890. Singer/Pfaff now sells a steam ironer here in the USA IIRC, though it may have been discontinued. The only other steam ironer for the domestic market is sold by Miele. www.google.com/searchQUES... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 840266 , Reply# 19 9/8/2015 at 15:38 (3,144 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"How well do rotary irons work?"
Well hopefully much better than this! *LOL* (joking)
Seriously folks, many persons on both sides of the pond love rotary ironers. They are still somewhat big in Germany where you can often find coin operated versions in laundromats. Persons who do much entertaining and or like having mounds of freshly ironed linens without the expenase of hiring a private laundress or laundry service use ironers. Just ask Martha Stewart: www.themarthablog.com/2013/12/... Ms. Stewart purchased Skylands not only with all that vintage laundry equipment but complete with room or rooms full of vintage linens from the previous owners. The place once was Edsel Ford's but cannot recall if that family sold it to MS or someone else stepped in befroe her and they off loaded the estate. You find Miele and other ironers in small dry cleaners/laundries, B&B's, guest homes, and even smaller rest,senior, disabled and other sort of care homes. Again any place that generates large amounts of linen. Places often spring for the Miele because it is the only ironer still sold in the USA for domestic use. Unless one is handy and can source parts Ironrite units can be a blessing or a curse. At least in theory Miele ironers are easily serviced. | ||
| Post# 840292 , Reply# 20 9/8/2015 at 18:50 (3,144 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Post# 840303 , Reply# 21 9/8/2015 at 19:35 (3,144 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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I didn't see the winking prong
Here ya go:
As for owning a 50hz Miele washer or even dryer don't see really the point. Well yes, for some of the vintage European washers or dryers it would be fun to have them here but quite frankly there isn't *that* much of a difference between modern offerings. European units do have perhaps more bells and whistles and perhaps larger range of models on offer, but other than that the 3000 series washers aren't that bad. One thing one would grab in a New York minute would be a top loading H-Axis washer from any European brand. Miele does sell them outside of Europe for marine applications (yachts and so forth), but those dealers won't sell to just anyone.
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| Post# 840347 , Reply# 22 9/9/2015 at 03:19 (3,143 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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So with the US 120v w3038, you'd be happy with the heater performance for boil-washes etc?
What about the little giants? If you had a choice to get either, how would you choose one over the other? If I got the little giants as our display requirement, my profile pair would go to mom and I'd use the little giants. I only have one 240 outlet in my laundry space (the little giants can be linked together, right?). If I got the w3038, I'd keep my profile pair. I am not sure I want to use the condensing dryer, but the reps do say its the best on the market and offers near vented performance.... I will say after having the capacity that my profile pair has, I don't wash near enough to fill the tub, and if I fill the tub, it doesn't seem to clean as well. Anyways, sorry to hijack your thread, but who could ask for a better US Miele person!!! LOL | ||
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Post# 840354 , Reply# 23 9/9/2015 at 06:10 (3,143 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Congratulations on the new purchase. You made me curious about Pfaff ironers, but it looks like Pfaff doesn't make them anymore. I guess they too go the way of the heavy duty steam iron systems like Laura Star and the Miele steam ironing system. The video you shared (not the one with Jon ironing... least said, soonest mended...) on the Pfaff site, but not the product itself anymore. The links to the models you showed are refurbished models. Great for someone who likes these Pfaff machines. If I would machine iron more I think I would like a 560 with steam.
The video shows the advantage of having the iron plate on the bottom, it's the first time I'm impressed by that design. A machine with the plate on top could never touch up a woolen sweater. I have two ironers with the iron plate on top, an old Bosch and an old AEG. The AEG doesn't heat up enough, looks like the thermostats have gone bad because they didn't turn them back to zero after using the ironer. My advice is to turn them back after use on every rotary ironer that has the wind up thermostats. I don't use the AEG anymore at all due to this defect. It's a pity because that is definitely a better design than the Bosch because the AEG has a totally free roller because of the one central arm for the iron plate. The Bosch doesn't get much use either, I don't like to iron shirts on it, a steam iron definitely does a better job and with good quality percal bed linens there is hardly any need to iron them. I just put them in the dryer for a short while to get the creases out and then hang them up. No trouble of ironing king sized duvet covers on a 65 cm wide ironer. BTW, the first digits of your Pfaff ironer is the width in centimeters, so it's 65 centimeters wide, a standard size for all smaller rotary ironers (apart from the table top models). For the wider models 85cm was the standard size. BTW Miele washers: I guess it will not take long before the W3038 will be replaced by a newer model based on the W1 series that we get on the EU market now. | ||
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Post# 840355 , Reply# 24 9/9/2015 at 06:10 (3,143 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Quite Honestly Haven't Used "Boil Wash" Temps
In either washer that often, just don't see the need. About 140F is high as one normally goes with the occasional higher temperature when required. Only then for laundering things that have been in contact with a very ill person or some such.
IIRC Miele's "Little Giants" run on some funky voltage requirements. ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/244... For all that neither the washer nor dryer have a larger capacity than the Miele 3000 series washers and matching dryers. All you get with the "Little Giants" IIRC is more robust construction and so forth to withstand commercial/heavy usage. This translates into a greater range of duty cycles. In fact one *thinks* Little Giants are the washers fitted with a coin box in Europe for Laundromat or such service. | ||
| Post# 840381 , Reply# 25 9/9/2015 at 09:53 (3,143 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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So, for someone wanting to learn the product hands on and wanting to fall in love with selling the product, would you recommend the w3038?
I mean would there be any downside to buying the washer, if anything, just to have it? Would you buy the condensing dryer to try it out and learn the nuances? As the commitment moved up, Miele's rotary iron would be the next acquisition. Until house prices come down in the Bakken area, I guess I'll just have to live in an apartment equipped with Miele appliances! ;-) (Besides, how's a boy to step people up from that $1600 lg pair purchase to that $3800 Miele purchase that is considerably smaller than the LGs without having first hand experience?) :-) | ||
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Post# 840394 , Reply# 26 9/9/2015 at 10:33 (3,143 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I never do boil washes because the elastics of my tighty whities can't handle that. But I do whites almost all the time on 70 degrees Celcius, which IMHO gives a whiter result than on 60 degrees. The 70 degrees Celcius is the same temperature as used for the Sanitize cycle of the W3038. BTW, what's the max. temperature on the LG?
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| Post# 840400 , Reply# 27 9/9/2015 at 10:44 (3,143 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I've been bugging my rep for nearly a year about when a W1 based machine was going to come about, but they said they weren't re-working their designs to appease the requirements for the American market...
Then again, he did say he wasn't sure we'd see a gen 6 based dishwasher either... I didn't see the replies about how well rotary irons work, for some reason my tablet was having issues last night. That and I was a bit tired. But, I think if I *had* ;) to purchase the Miele rotary, I could find uses. Plus it'd give me a reason to order Linen or Pima cotton sheets. I'd actually be able to iron them. :-D Mom came into the store the other day to look at the vintage wringers we have on the floor. She made an off-handed comment when I was showing her the Miele Product guide... "Hmm, I don't think I'd like that thing [the iron], just like I'm scared of the wringers now: At my age, I'd probably get my knockers bound up in them!" The dangers of doing laundry.... Given how his shirt kept taking off on him, I could see it! | ||
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Post# 840405 , Reply# 29 9/9/2015 at 10:53 (3,143 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 840449 , Reply# 30 9/9/2015 at 18:05 (3,143 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Quality of Miele or other rotary ironer work
Will depend upon the design but also skill of the operator.
Miele ironers produce good to excellent results. There are a few videos from "Wash Ins' of members using one. Unless you are paying for total hand laundry all flatwork goes through ironers. Someone who knows what to look for can tell the difference, but a large majority of the population cannot. The fact things are smooth and crisp is fine enough for them even if there are a few "cat whiskers" ironed in. LOL | ||
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Post# 840517 , Reply# 31 9/10/2015 at 02:15 (3,142 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Ironers
Congratulations on another classic Pfaff ironer, one will be able to launder and press for the best of Manhattens finest tables!! The Pfaff looks to be a sturdy machine, have used a few here such as Morphy Richards and Tricity Bendix which are table top models with foot control, but by far the best for all types of "Household" fabrics is the Miele models with Top Heater, I find these work best with a large selection of modern fabrics because lighter delicate fabrics are not placed on the heater iron like Pfaff or Ironrite...
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Post# 840518 , Reply# 32 9/10/2015 at 02:19 (3,142 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Miele B990
Heres the Miele being taken for a "Maytag Pressing"... and the link to a few more detailed shots...
CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK 
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Post# 840544 , Reply# 33 9/10/2015 at 07:39 (3,142 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have done shirts on my Ironrite 890 Portable
So must say providing one knows what one is doing (again, not Jon's example above, *LOL*) doing up shirts on an Ironrite is rather simple and gives good results.
The thing truly is or was designed to iron many things including shirts very well. In fact for my small 890 the shoe is just about the width of back man's shirt. So doing up to the yoke is rather simple. If things are done correctly any pleats are correctly aligned and done as well. @Louis; No, Pfaff does not make ironers anymore, at least don't think so. Cannot figure out if the Singer/Pfaff 560 is or is not still in production. Again Pfaff has been sold and bought so many times over the years between German, Asian then back to German and then Asian who knows... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfaff... Do know those who love Pfaff sewing machines could have sat down and cried when Pfaff Germany was sold to Asia. From what one understands large refuse bins were brought on site to factories/plants/offices in Europe where parts, manuals, etc... everything was simply thrown away to go to crusher. Some Pfaff workers did what they could to save things but so much was simply destroyed. This is one of the mains reasons why parts for many older Pfaff sewing machines (such as the 1200, 1400, 1300 etc....) machines are very difficult to find. Other than what some repair servicemen or others had in their own supply that pretty much was that. Many who love their early model electronic Pfaff machines such as the 1400 series find they are out of luck should a main part such as the motherboard go; there just aren't NOS replacements to be found. Ironers, now that is a different story. All over Europe you only have to plug into eBay, CL or similar places and find scores if not hundreds of ironers from all vintages. Not so much perhaps in the UK, but Germany, France, Sweden, etc... are happy hunting grounds. In fact am almost certain the company linked above (Mangelwaren) travels around Germany/Europe and purchases ironers to clean up, mark up and sell on. Thing to remember about ironers sold in the USA today and probably elsewhere for domestic use is that like hand irons their soleplate temperatures are lower than in past. According to the service manual for my vintage Frigidaire the maximum setting (Linen) should cause the ironer shoe to reach >500F. In contrast reading through the service/technical guide for Miele 890 they only reach around lower to middle 400F. Now depending upon how much or what one irons this difference in maximum temperatures may not mean anything. However linen fabric in particular heavy weights requires and can take high heat. It can be difficult to do up linen properly otherwise. Thing about Germany and some other parts of Europe is the ability to get 400v electrical service in one's home with no bother. That opens up a world of laundry equipment possibilities. From Miele professional washing machines to this ironer: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ELECTROLUX-WASCAT...
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Post# 840548 , Reply# 34 9/10/2015 at 08:08 (3,142 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Well!! I never !! | ||
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Post# 840574 , Reply# 35 9/10/2015 at 12:34 (3,142 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 840606 , Reply# 36 9/10/2015 at 15:23 (3,142 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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@Jon
Sadly no, queen sheets are just a tad wider than the roll on my Pfaff 858 ironer. You either must do the center open, fold run through the not ironed sides or simply fold to fit.
To do queen and perhaps king sized sheets folded once you would need an ironer with a roll width of 46" or greater. Such ironers have not been sold for domestic use since Simplex and a few other brands stopped selling huge gas or electric heated ironers. Something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191xs-Simplex-Ir... In Europe you could get one of these uber sized Miele ironers:
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Post# 840901 , Reply# 39 9/12/2015 at 19:58 (3,140 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Thank you Paulo!! I spoke with Amy just the other day, they are just getting around to editing the piece and she wants some kind of written information from me so the airing is delayed a bit. When I know the date I'll post it for everyone.
BTW "THEY" had already plied me with 3 margaritas before "THEY" waltzed me over to the machine and sat me down !!!
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