Thread Number: 61447
/ Tag: Vintage Dishwashers
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Post# 841061 , Reply# 1   9/13/2015 at 19:35 (3,119 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Alan, I think I just has an orgasmic reaction. FINALLY what a KitchenAid SHOULD have been before the 23 series. This should have been incorporated into the 19 series, if not the 18 when they finally got rid of the damn 1 arm wonders so that these could become more than a DISH washer without having to think how you loaded the machine. Now I'm gonna go smoke a cigar lol. |
Post# 841075 , Reply# 2   9/13/2015 at 20:40 (3,119 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)   |   | |
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LOL Bob!! Yeah, it's really nice to finally have a KitchenAid with these features. It really cleans well, yet it's fairly quiet thanks to the mastic panels & the full insulation blankets. Pretty much everything I throw at it gets clean.
I'm in KitchenAid heaven! |
Post# 841078 , Reply# 3   9/13/2015 at 20:58 (3,119 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 841117 , Reply# 4   9/14/2015 at 06:17 (3,118 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Great job Alan this is something that I might do myself.
As I mentioned in the new GE dishwasher thread I recently took out my KUDSS 20 and put in a new GE dishwasher and it's very disappointing I miss the KitchenAid already. I like the loading in the overall convenience of using the KitchenAid far better than the GE dishwasher. The only thing I didn't like about the KitchenAid was the cycling the stinky filter in the very poor drying if you used energy saver air dry which is all I ever use. So you've inspired me to do a KitchenAid again I'll try to do it 23 series so that I get the better pump without the filter I don't know what I can do about the drying but we can probably come up with something thanks again for sharing this Alan |
Post# 841124 , Reply# 5   9/14/2015 at 07:09 (3,118 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Excellent work, Alan. What do you think of the performance so far? I like the idea of target temps reached while circulating, the more the better. The KA light soil cycle is pretty thorough and saves a couple of water fills so that could always be substituted for the normal cycle on average loads.
I've been working on repairing/rebuilding some timers and adding relays to my Frigidaire Unimatics to keep the amperage out of the spin start-up out of the delicate, old timers. So far, it works great and is easy enough to do.
John, couldn't you try a delay relay switch for the heater circuit, cycling the heater on-off every minute or so to at least warm the air coming into the tank but saving half or more of the energy? I've been using the energy saver dry on the GE, but I just prop open the door for a while and the dishes dry pretty fast. Of course, there is no forced air system in the GE like the K. I typically run it in the evening and then leave the door open overnight. |
Post# 841128 , Reply# 6   9/14/2015 at 07:34 (3,118 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 841131 , Reply# 7   9/14/2015 at 08:07 (3,118 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 841134 , Reply# 8   9/14/2015 at 08:24 (3,118 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 841163 , Reply# 9   9/14/2015 at 11:32 (3,118 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 841171 , Reply# 10   9/14/2015 at 11:55 (3,118 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Very clever! |
Post# 841238 , Reply# 12   9/14/2015 at 22:16 (3,118 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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stevet, if you're going to do that, I think you should forget about adding the drain pump and figure out a way to tap into the wash pump and add an 18 drain solenoid, so you can keep the classic "snap" at the start and end of the drain. :-D
I'd still love to try swapping out a timer from one of these machines (an S18-23) and replace it with a Raspberry Pi and relay board. This way, you could program it to whatever cycle patterns you wanted, and experiment to your heart's content. You could even hook up a small speaker inside and playback the sound of the timer running, advancing, and rapid advancing! The only problems are: 1) I don't have any such machines, other than my working KDS-58, and 2) I would hate to modify a fully working machine. It would have to be a machine that already had a dead timer-then I wouldn't feel so bad. |
Post# 841279 , Reply# 14   9/15/2015 at 07:28 (3,117 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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It's too bad you weren't working for KitchenAid back in the 80s or even before.
I too was always frustrated with the crazy cycling the KitchenAid chose Maytag dishwashers could've benefited by better cycled design also.
In any event Alan you may have inspired me to make a custom dishwasher I'm not going to keep this new GE dishwasher very long that's for sure LOL. I may start with a superb 23 series dishwasher other than adding the thermal holds and a 2nd rinse I would also like to figure out a way to add a better ventilation system so they dry better that's my only other big gripe with KitchenAids, The Whirlpool dishwasher is just dries so much better because they have vent high in the door and if you have a sufficiently hot final rinse they continue driving all night long even with the door closed as the moisture just continues to vent.
We may try to do a wash-in next summer, we I have space for 22 built-in dishwashers ruffed in that I need to install it would be fun if some of you guys like Alan, Steve, Nate or maybe Mike from Illinois or any other DW folks that might want to help come sometime next year and help installing and tweaking these dishwashers it should be fun.
John L. |