Thread Number: 61670
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Post# 843225 , Reply# 1   9/28/2015 at 13:34 (3,104 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 843235 , Reply# 2   9/28/2015 at 15:17 (3,104 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 843236 , Reply# 3   9/28/2015 at 15:20 (3,104 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 843240 , Reply# 4   9/28/2015 at 15:51 (3,104 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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If she's not thrilled with it, it' probably caused by improper loading.
Single armed KitchenAids have a very finicky and distinct loading pattern. They are very powerful machines as long as you understand how to load them. You can place a large pot in the lower rack BUT... you cannot put anything directly above it in the Upper rack. The water has no way of cleaning that item. The lower rack is primarily for Plates and flat Items that will let the water shoot up to the upper rack. If you look at some of the Vintage Ads for the KitchenAids from say 1957 though 1972 (Or the KD-10 through the KD-17 series machines) you will see that Large Pots, Mixing Bowls etc are always in the upper rack and the only thing you will see in the lower rack are Plates of all sizes and the Flatware Basket. Once you/ she understands this and you get your draining problem settled, you might find it's the best cleaning Dishwasher that will fly though full cycle in under 1 hour. That's washed and dried. Notice the Upper Rack. The Large Pot and Bowl. Your upper rack tilts and lowers to accommodate large items. The lower rack is all plates and platters. This allows the water to clean the upper rack. Hope this helps. |
Post# 843247 , Reply# 6   9/28/2015 at 16:32 (3,104 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Some sorts of bowls, pots/pans, and casseroles can be placed in the lower rack if they're reasonably shallow and stood up around the perimeter in a vertical orientation. Depending how space allots for a given load, a few such items can also be placed facing forward in the larger spaces between the plate tines. My family had a KDI-17a for many years, which is the mid-line model with a lesser set of cycles but otherwise the same spray arm system. We loaded the hell out of it and rarely had cleaning failures once we understand how to handle the loading patterns. |
Post# 843359 , Reply# 10   9/29/2015 at 01:51 (3,103 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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much cheaper than repair clinic...supposed to be genuine Whirlpool authorized replacement part. SteveT will be able to best advise you. CLICK HERE TO GO TO askolover's LINK on eBay |
Post# 843379 , Reply# 11   9/29/2015 at 05:23 (3,103 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)   |   | |
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Yes, that is the newer style valve and at a great price! Go for it. And keep that classic running! |
Post# 843430 , Reply# 13   9/29/2015 at 11:05 (3,103 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 844468 , Reply# 15   10/5/2015 at 22:47 (3,096 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Good that the drain valve is working again, but not good that it is stuck on prewash. It sounds like one of your timer motors is not running. These timers have two motors-one which runs through the full cycle and advances the timer once every minute or so, and another to rapidly advance the timer to skip through certain parts of the cycle depending on which cycle is selected. If the rapid advance motor is working, pressing Cancel/Drain will not only drain the dishwasher, but also advance the timer to the end of the cycle (you'll hear it clicking, as well as see the cycle progress lights advancing). If this is happening, the rapid advance timer advances to the last timer increment before off, and then the regular run motor will advance the timer to off (at least it is this way on my KDS-58... maybe the 17 is different). This makes sure that it is reset at the 0 second mark ready for the start of the next cycle/increment (you should be able to hear the timer run motor running at this point before it advances the timer to the off position). Once in the off position, opening the door latch runs the rapid advance motor again to reset for the start of the next cycle. If the run motor doesn't run, then the timer should also get stuck at the last step of the dry cycle and never shut off (the blower/heating element won't be on in this increment, but the Dry indicator light will be), and because it doesn't get to the off position, the rapid advance reset would not occur, making it impossible to start a new cycle. Maybe something is preventing the run motor from advancing off of the first increment. You can try turning the timer dial manually a bit with a screwdriver... it should be marked on the timer which way to turn (I believe it is clockwise). Again, I don't have any experience with the 17 models, only my portable 18... others will be able to confirm/correct what I am saying.
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Post# 844559 , Reply# 16   10/6/2015 at 18:42 (3,095 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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It sounds like your regular speed timer motor may have failed, be careful about trying to run the machine because if it stops with the drain valve energized it will burn out the new DV in a few minutes, KA used a cheap intermittent duty DV coil on their DWs and if you keep it energized for more than a few minutes it will burn out. This might be what ruined the orignal DV. |
Post# 844581 , Reply# 18   10/6/2015 at 21:23 (3,095 days old) by moonstation2000 ()   |   | |
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Does this mean my run motor is shot and the rapid advance motor is doing its job? |
Post# 844592 , Reply# 19   10/6/2015 at 22:15 (3,095 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Yes, it appears that the timer's run motor is not working. I'm not sure if you can change just that motor itself, or if you'll need to replace the entire timer.
Quick look on Ebay, and there is a used one listed for $39.99 w/ free shipping. CLICK HERE TO GO TO barcoboy's LINK on eBay |
Post# 844638 , Reply# 20   10/7/2015 at 07:03 (3,095 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yes you can change just the timer motor if you can find it as the timer motors were generally not available as a separate part. Hobart used both Singer and Mallory timers on the KDS-17 DWs, the complete timer is interchangeable but if you want to change just the timer motor you need the correct one.
These timers were among the first of the ' quick disconnect ' timers and the Singer ones were particularly bad, But I have replaced motors on hundreds of these over the years with pretty good success by stealing the TMs form other timers. |
Post# 844756 , Reply# 22   10/7/2015 at 22:50 (3,094 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 844771 , Reply# 23   10/8/2015 at 04:05 (3,094 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Just a thought...
I don't know if you have the room, but picking up a second hand Portable is sometimes invaluable if you do Holiday entertaining or like to cook and bake a lot.
Although I am a total whack job and am single, I find that some days I can fill 2 dishwashers no problem. I do what I call prep day. I make soups and stews, bake, etc. and freeze or distribute amongst friends.
This way when and if you have the problem of "Machine Down", there is a back up to the rescue.
They also can serve as an extra counter top of you happen to be short on Counter space like I am in a Galley Kitchen.
Just a thought if you hate to wash dishes. Funny though... I love to scrub and shine pots and pans with Brillo, but washing plates, Glasses, Flatware, Mixing Bowls and Utensils... Not so much.
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Post# 844788 , Reply# 24   10/8/2015 at 07:33 (3,094 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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you are not a total whack job but you are single! You are a great chef! Made one of the best meals my mom & I ever ate ------30 years ago !!!
Now back to our regular broadcast --- I have to second everything said here today about your machine. Nothing today comes close to the build quality of that machine. They are well worth maintaining and repairing. My stepmom bought a TOL KitchenAid 10 years ago, tall tub all stainless steel- since then she has had to replace the motor pump assembly TWICE! So it is correct to say new $900 dishwashers last 5 years tops. And the even the stainless steel used today is not nearly as solid as what was used in your machine. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
Post# 844836 , Reply# 25   10/8/2015 at 13:04 (3,094 days old) by brib68 (Central Connecticut)   |   | |
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When we moved into our house in late 2009, it had a KA dishwasher, older than yours, I'm sure. I could NOT figure out how to get the cycle to start. No idea if it was operator error, or a fixable mechanical problem. Unfortunately, it was years before I discovered this wonderful community and I saw it as an opportunity to buy a shiny new all-the-buttons and bells and whistles machine. So many layers of regret!!! Aside from wishing I'd done the right thing by the old brown beast, I also paid WAY too much (the price dropped by nearly half within 6 months), and have had my share of reliability issues with it. Even had to buy a new flatware basket on Amazon over the summer b/c the bottom was disintegrating and allowing the handles to drop through (fortunately, it blocked the rack from rolling back in, rather than blocking the spray arm, so I at least knew what the problem was before it caused a real problem).
I'm hoping that I can find a suitable vintage double wall oven to replace the modern GE micro/oven wall combo that was in the house when we bought it. It's probably just as well that I don't know what the original unit was. (The house built in '62, and the kitchen was probably re-done in the 70's, based on the age of the Jenn Air cooktop.) |
Post# 844904 , Reply# 27   10/8/2015 at 23:50 (3,093 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 845226 , Reply# 29   10/11/2015 at 02:03 (3,091 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Thanks for the pix, and great news that the KA is fixed! It fits right in with the other equipment, and I guarantee you that if a Thermador dishwasher had been installed originally, it wouldn't be there anymore. The clients who had that kitchen built apparently knew that in those days, KA was the best machine money could buy.
Your Nutone takes more attachments than just a meat grinder and slicer. I think the more common ones are the blender and mixer. She might learn to like that thing once she finds out all that it can do.
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Post# 845292 , Reply# 30   10/11/2015 at 12:31 (3,091 days old) by barcoboy (Canada)   |   | |
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