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Samsung Washer Sanitizes w/o Hot Water or Bleach
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Post# 126356   5/3/2006 at 21:12 (6,539 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Just saw a commercial about a new Samsung FL washer with 'Silver Care', which claims to sanitize in cold water, without bleach or other chemicals. Went to Samsung's website and found this explanation. Anyone else heard of this? (My apologies if I'm way behind the times...)




Post# 126360 , Reply# 1   5/3/2006 at 21:16 (6,539 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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And here's a pic of the machine:

Post# 126361 , Reply# 2   5/3/2006 at 21:17 (6,539 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

I bet it cleans the sh*t out of your underwear.

Post# 126362 , Reply# 3   5/3/2006 at 21:18 (6,539 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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they are sold at bLowe's

Post# 126369 , Reply# 4   5/3/2006 at 21:36 (6,539 days old) by westytoploader ()        
Can you say bulls**t?

So this thing is supposed to sanitize whites, in only 1" of water of course, WITHOUT heat or bleach? Ohhhhhhh, I certainly believe THAT! Check out what CR's opinion is of using ions only for air purification, without a secondary filter, and see how ridiculous this claim actually is.

I'd rather have an old-fashioned hot-water wash any day! At least I know my whites would be getting CLEAN.


Post# 126395 , Reply# 5   5/3/2006 at 23:39 (6,539 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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But Austin .. you don't have a water heater in the shed.

[ducks and runs]


Post# 126400 , Reply# 6   5/4/2006 at 00:04 (6,539 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Glenn, I wanted to say that, but I thought it would be best to let sleeping dogs lie. I thought it immediately when Austin aws talking about hot water washes.

Post# 126405 , Reply# 7   5/4/2006 at 00:35 (6,539 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I do think

that manufacturers and other hype meisters are getting just a tad too hysterical about "sanitary."



For me, clean is quite good enough.



Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 126411 , Reply# 8   5/4/2006 at 01:16 (6,539 days old) by mistervain ()        

No, more like a force-feeding of energy-saving products, leaving the consumer with little choice but.

Post# 126415 , Reply# 9   5/4/2006 at 02:15 (6,539 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Actually silver can kill certian bacteria, think of silver nitrate used to combat of all things certian forms of veneral disease.

Samsung launched these machines a year or so ago in parts of Asia where cold water washing is traditonal and common.

L.


Post# 126424 , Reply# 10   5/4/2006 at 05:27 (6,539 days old) by pulsatron ()        
But does it clean the clothes??

This simply reinforces my view that today's society is totally obsessed with disinfection and antibacterial rubbish,I would like to know is this machine any good ac actually cleaning clothes or just deodorizing them?.it reminds me of the now defunct I believe L.G. Internet refrigerator the silly thing apparently could connect you to the internet to do the shopping for you and could communicate with other appliances which had the same technology, however you simply had to ask did it perform well as a refrigerator i.e. keeping food cold which is the primary job of a refrigerator.
Interestingly enough recently here in Australia,one of our leading laundry detergents called "Omo",ran a campaign called "national dirt is good day", in which the idea that kids go outside and play in mud and dirt is actually good for them as it got them outside playing and away from television and computer games.
I realise this has gone off the topic a bit and does not really belong in this forum so sorry for hijacking the thread.
Cheers.
Steve.


Post# 126464 , Reply# 11   5/4/2006 at 08:36 (6,538 days old) by designgeek ()        

Well, hurray for Omo on that one! Get the kids away from the telly for a change.

As for me, I still believe in the value of hot water and/or chlorine bleach, in moderation, which means regular cleaning most of the time (laundry, kitchen surfaces, bathroom surfaces, and floors) and a good stiff dose of bleach occasionally.

Question is, how often do those sliver plates in the Samsung have to be replaced, and what's the cost of that? And which bacteria, specifically, are they supposed to kill to 99.9%, and what about other strains? And what about the risk of growing resistant strains over time?

Mistervain, as for force-feeding, since you live in Florida you probably depend on summer air conditioning, so try comparing your summer electric bills going back a few years. Unless you're lucky enough to be on nuclear, wind, or solar, you'll notice the same trend everyone else is noticing. Also try a keyword search under "peak oil." This situation isn't going to go away, in fact it's going to intensify considerably over the next five or ten years.


Post# 126473 , Reply# 12   5/4/2006 at 09:05 (6,538 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Actually silver can kill certian bacteria, think of silver n

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Silver nitrate routinely goes in the eyes of newborns to prevent blindness.

I'm not so sure i like the idea of adding metal particles/ions to my laundry. Many other (heavy) metals have been attributed to illness/diseases/cancer. IMHO, not worth the risk.

I find the germ-phobia hysterical in light of the general lack of domestic cleanliness standards these days. Ten fancy mops and a dozen vacuum-cleaners does not get the house clean. One of each used frequently, I believe, works better.


Post# 126504 , Reply# 13   5/4/2006 at 11:40 (6,538 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Dirt is good

Persil in the UK also runs a Dirt Is Good campaign, and has big splats on their packaging to emphasise this. Also have huge black and white prints of children playing & getting dirty on the back of the boxes. They have a website too, and run tv adverts every month or so.

Think this is a worlwide campaign by Unilever - I noticed that Wisk in the US and Omo and Skip on the continent have similar campaigns too.

Back to the subject, I think it is ironic that these machines are sold on the premise that they have internal heaters to get the best cleaning performance, and then release products like this!

Jon


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Post# 126505 , Reply# 14   5/4/2006 at 11:43 (6,538 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Have linked to an advert for Persil, which describes the Dirt is Good campaign.

Jon


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Post# 126509 , Reply# 15   5/4/2006 at 11:49 (6,538 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I'm with Steve, no heavy metals in my laundry!

Post# 126514 , Reply# 16   5/4/2006 at 12:33 (6,538 days old) by westytoploader ()        

LOL--I knew one of y'all would say that!! It is fair to say that there will be one installed before the next TX wash-in.

But...I didn't specify that I washed my whites up at the house.


Post# 126533 , Reply# 17   5/4/2006 at 15:48 (6,538 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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At least they took the part out about "widely used in commercial laudries for sanitizing". Here in the States it is unheard of, and at the international trade shows, no one ever mentions using silver in any machine.

Post# 126544 , Reply# 18   5/4/2006 at 16:21 (6,538 days old) by mistervain ()        

I have no problem with conserving energy, until it interferes with the primary job of the appliance. The consumer should influence the array of products on the market based on their personal needs--not a government agency or corporate marketing.

And I hardly use much air conditioning--even here in Florida--because I seem to catch colds from it. I do, however, insist on a washing machine that successfully removes odors from my clothes--and this requires a sufficient level of water.


Post# 126599 , Reply# 19   5/4/2006 at 19:46 (6,538 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I'm not so concerned about silver in the wash water. After all, most of us have silver dental fillings. Additionally, people seem to eat off silver tableware with no ill effects. And practially nobody drinks laundry wash water... :-)

Like others here, what I'm more concerned about is that the "silver sanitation" feature will lull people into thinking that inadequate temperatures, detergent amounts, and wash time that result in still-soiled laundered fabrics will be ok since the silver will kill everything anyway. This is one reason why I'm so much of an advocate for laundry phosphates and hot water - they seem to clean better than anything else out there, and if the fabric is clean then the germ count will naturally be low.


Post# 126610 , Reply# 20   5/4/2006 at 20:30 (6,538 days old) by mistervain ()        

I agree with the above post. The return to common sense with regards to laundering is needed, not expensive and unproven gadgetry.

Keep in mind that unless someone has thought of a way to make money off of it, none of these so-called laundry/environmental "improvements" would ever make it onto a showroom floor.


Post# 126702 , Reply# 21   5/5/2006 at 09:11 (6,537 days old) by designgeek ()        


Interesting thing about that Persil advert is, it's a UK commercial where the music track is sung in what sure sounds to me like an American accent.

Why do you think they did that? Is it the specific style of the music, that's an American genre and calls for a US accent, or is it something else?


Post# 126767 , Reply# 22   5/5/2006 at 12:57 (6,537 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
And now, for something really annoying....

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I'm less concerned about incidental bacteria than I am about whitening without chlorine bleach and killing off all the other nasty stuff that can be in there. I also would like to accomplish this in less than 2 hours. Which is why I care more about machines that can heat their water and why I'm such a broken record about MAKING THESE MACHINES TO RUN ON 220 VOLTS!!!!

Post# 126798 , Reply# 23   5/5/2006 at 16:14 (6,537 days old) by mistervain ()        

We all have our broken-record issues, mine of course being the whole water-level thing....jajaja


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