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Thread Number: 62094
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Cold-Water Washer by Whirlpool |
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Post# 847148 10/23/2015 at 00:50 (3,249 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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Whirlpool's Cold-Water Washer. Yep, a washer that (almost) only allows cold water - except for Heavy Duty, which is "Hot" only. *feh*
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Post# 847155 , Reply# 2 10/23/2015 at 05:38 (3,248 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 847156 , Reply# 3 10/23/2015 at 05:53 (3,248 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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From reading CU's take on this washer-they didn't seem overwhelmed by it.They say the washer is noisey and hard on clothes-and to top it off with the cold only wash-the body "funk" won't get washed out of the clothes.Pass on this.As one member says--SWAP THE HOSES!!!! | ||
| Post# 847162 , Reply# 5 10/23/2015 at 06:39 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
Well obviously cycle controlled water temps are nothing new...that's been a BOL trait for a very long time, but this machine seems to be geared mostly for cold water usage, which oddly enough is what most people use. At least most people as is the "general public" LOL. Seems like Whirlpool has made a machine that is designed for it's customers....can't criticize them for that! Problem is that you def need to use a cold water detergent, which I can almost guarantee the majority of people won't use. The big jug of Sun will be paired a lot with this type of machine. Gunk city!
I actually use mostly warm water when I wash or cool so this washer wouldn't work well for me. Hey, they have to keep up with regulations so they do what they gotta do. I looked at some of their new machines at Home Depot last night and they seem ok. Buy what you like, is my motto! LOL | ||
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Post# 847163 , Reply# 6 10/23/2015 at 06:40 (3,248 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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 I'm the first to say there is a place in the world of laundry for cold washes---the Cold Wash cycle on the new Maytag gets used more than I thought it would---but a washer that limits choices this much is not for me. And you know the hot water in the Heavy Duty cycle is only warm; 105-110 degrees.
Pass. Big-time.
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| Post# 847164 , Reply# 7 10/23/2015 at 06:46 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 847166 , Reply# 8 10/23/2015 at 07:54 (3,248 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 847167 , Reply# 9 10/23/2015 at 07:57 (3,248 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Oy, it's not a dream sequence
I wondered if, perhaps, this washer uses a mix of cold and hot water for filling to give a tepid >65-68 degree wash. I find no mention of water temperatures, mixing hot/cold for correct or ideal temperature wash water in the manual or the machine's page on WP's site.
Maybe they should have put the "Clean Washer with Affresh" cycle at the top of the selector dial. I'll keep my '61 Mark XII. CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK
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| Post# 847172 , Reply# 10 10/23/2015 at 08:11 (3,248 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
i have to disagree with everyone so i apoligize in advance | ||
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Post# 847178 , Reply# 11 10/23/2015 at 08:32 (3,248 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 The angle about protecting clothes from heat damage is interesting marketing. I've noticed people who run only cold washes seem to be paranoid about that. Someone in another forum recently said, "I wash everything but towels in cold, to make sure nothing shrinks. If you wash in warm or hot, how do you keep sheets and clothing from shrinking?" Sheets? Really? | ||
| Post# 847179 , Reply# 12 10/23/2015 at 08:34 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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No need to apologize Pierre, for how you do your laundry lol. Despite being surrounded by laundry enthusiasts ;-) Like I said in my previous post, this washer is designed for how a large portion of the customer base does their laundry. I'm sure Whirlpool knows how many people wash in only cold water and quite honestly I commend them for producing a product tailored for that market base. This is also a perfect unit for a landlord who supplies both laundry and utilities with their rental. That way you have a pretty good chance of keeping your hot water costs down.
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| Post# 847181 , Reply# 13 10/23/2015 at 09:15 (3,248 days old) by A440 () | ||
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A $549 washer with no temp control? Wonder what kind of profit WP will be making off of this BOL washer?!! I agree Greg! The Clean Cycle should be at the top of the Dial with a note to run every five loads! LOL! Your WP Mark XIL is beautiful!!!
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| Post# 847183 , Reply# 14 10/23/2015 at 09:55 (3,248 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) | ||
Common sense......
wash all your loads in COLD water, and then run a CleanWasher cycle in HOT......where are my savings... many of these new machines are already constructed to know if you hook the HOT water to the COLD water side of the valve.....it will shut down on you, and an improper installation is not covered under a warranty... these machines have already been built and are in use as we speak, just not noted on the control panel, most temps now are so dubbed down, people don't care, they load, push the button and walk away..... oddly enough for the ones who wash in cold water, most use a dryer, most are electric......again, where are you saving?... most of my life I washed in WARM, just to get good results as well as save some money......when the Neptune came out, it allowed me to wash in HOT almost all the time, whats 3 gallons of water?.... people complain of longer wash times for these HE machines, that's only built in for COOLER temps to remove stains, it needs a longer activation time, versus if these machines washed in true Warm/Hot temps, the cleaning would happen sooner... these machines would be great for a Landlord situation...when people aren't paying for it, they will wash in all HOT water....a full tub to wash one piece of clothing.... | ||
| Post# 847184 , Reply# 15 10/23/2015 at 10:06 (3,248 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 847191 , Reply# 16 10/23/2015 at 11:18 (3,248 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 847199 , Reply# 18 10/23/2015 at 13:16 (3,248 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
What's This?
In scrolling down on the CR website, I see this and wonder what it is...
Malcolm
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Post# 847200 , Reply# 19 10/23/2015 at 13:21 (3,248 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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These are 24" models from Arçelik, branded either Beko or Blomberg.
www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadis... | ||
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Post# 847201 , Reply# 20 10/23/2015 at 13:34 (3,248 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Speaking of dryers, Reviewed also has an article about "The Right To Dry" laundry.reviewed.com/news/califor...
And this one is just awesome: dishwashers.reviewed.com/features... | ||
| Post# 847214 , Reply# 24 10/23/2015 at 15:46 (3,248 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Rental Queen!
I'm still convinced this washer was designed strong in favor of being sold to rental properties. It is the lowest price model in the line up...the next one up is identical except it has temp controls. Just like the previous generation Chevy Impala...how many people voluntarily went out to buy one for themselves? Not too many. It was a rental car queen. Don't think you'll see too many people grabbing this machine up either. I bet it will be sold in volume at a discount. Honestly I haven't seen a "new" version of the Admiral or Roper machines either. Seems like Amana (and the BOL Kenmore) is being sold as the cheapo machine. Maybe they are phasing out Admiral and Roper? This could be another option in the cheapo lineup. Just my 2 cents...or 2 more cents I should say :-D
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| Post# 847246 , Reply# 25 10/23/2015 at 21:46 (3,248 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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if i had the choice between an all clod water washer and vin
if i had the choice between an all cold water washe washer and vintage washer i would go vintage with true washe rinse temp because i do use warm water wash and hot water wash depending on whats to wash like
pem press T-shirt warm wash cold rinse bedding hotwater cold rinse but if i had a warm rinse option for bedding i would set to warm rinse pic is there as an exemple
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| Post# 847304 , Reply# 26 10/24/2015 at 08:28 (3,247 days old) by miele_ge (Danbury, Connecticut) | ||
the Arçelik machine look interesting... | ||
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Post# 847311 , Reply# 27 10/24/2015 at 09:30 (3,247 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I'd rank Arçelik's build quality below Bosch and certainly below Miele. But they offer a lot of bang for the buck and many people are happy with them.
Related discussion: www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... | ||
| Post# 847448 , Reply# 29 10/24/2015 at 21:00 (3,247 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 847511 , Reply# 30 10/25/2015 at 07:31 (3,246 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Lively discussion
Brands? What are those? Those legacy names vendors used to build reputations on? But are now leased by everyone to anyone?
What are reputations? Like, everything bought from Walmart is 2 reputations below the same thing bought anywhere else and nobody seems to care? Internet told me this was 2015. Not that that's trustworthy by itself but seems corroborated by pgh 1 & 2 and a lot of other stuff. Like a Fudgesicle (tm) has an ingredient list 4 times longer than my Xenolin (tm) skin lotion and 4 times less comprehensible. Something must have changed when nobody was looking. Above: Nothing wrong with OCD laundry habits. Name of the game. Sebum-- the primary laundry contaminant-- is a semisolid wax below 90F and by its nature, hydrophobic. That is to say, if you thought it was insoluble as a liquid it's downright impervious to water as a solid. Not that it's a crime to misunderstand the physical world, but try this test: Put a cup of Tide in a cup of 70F water. Put a candle in it. Wait a day/week/month/year/decade and see how much of the candle dissolved. Weigh it before/after if you don't believe your eyes. The French may have a word for what less-than-90F water does to wax but I double-damn guarantee it doesn't translate as "wash" in ANY language. <90F water can 'wash' dust from drapes. That's really about it. And even that doesn't work if the occupant smokes. Maybe Whirlfool should relicense the RCA prefix like they did before when RCA was well on its way to irrelevancy as a brand name. | ||
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Post# 1092798 , Reply# 31 10/10/2020 at 23:44 (1,434 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Wait! What - are they serious? | ||
| Post# 1092837 , Reply# 32 10/11/2020 at 11:52 (1,433 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
No thanks
Try washing greasy dishes in cold water. Body oils and all that need hot water. Detergent might help some....but then add scent beads, fabric softener...probably overloading, too much or too little detergent...This will end up smelling like Seinfeld's car. for this to even remotely work......you would need the absolute perfect conditions...right detergent, never overload, a very small amount of fab softener and at least ONE hot water wash with bleach. It's bad enough that so many people already don't know how to do laundry....even with a really good machine. Give them this and LOOK OUT!!!!! | ||
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Post# 1092845 , Reply# 34 10/11/2020 at 14:13 (1,433 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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It seems like nothing has changed! | ||
| Post# 1092848 , Reply# 35 10/11/2020 at 14:23 (1,433 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1092850 , Reply# 36 10/11/2020 at 14:30 (1,433 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1092877 , Reply# 37 10/11/2020 at 19:21 (1,433 days old) by Geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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No worries | ||
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Post# 1092891 , Reply# 38 10/11/2020 at 23:21 (1,433 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Since we are reviving this thread..... They actually do still make this machine! And the reviews on the website are hysterical! I can nearly smell the state of California from here. | ||
| Post# 1092896 , Reply# 39 10/11/2020 at 23:50 (1,433 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
They actually do still make this machine! | ||
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Post# 1092951 , Reply# 40 10/12/2020 at 15:22 (1,432 days old) by Geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Wow | ||
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Post# 1092960 , Reply# 41 10/12/2020 at 16:46 (1,432 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Thank you. No hard feelings. It seems to me that energy restrictions are ever increasing I.E. more cold water washes. And I'll bet it's most brands doing this. I could see if you have dark colors. | ||
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Post# 1092963 , Reply# 42 10/12/2020 at 17:26 (1,432 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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| Post# 1092964 , Reply# 43 10/12/2020 at 17:30 (1,432 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie ) | ||
Problem Solved 
You would just need to hang around for the wash fill to complete
CLICK HERE TO GO TO verizonbear's LINK | ||
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Post# 1093205 , Reply# 44 10/14/2020 at 21:39 (1,430 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I hope whirlpool tweeks the normal cycle to use warm water, but I'm not gonna hold my breath that they do. Same for the higher temp on the normal cycle on their dryers. | ||
| Post# 1093284 , Reply# 45 10/15/2020 at 18:07 (1,429 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
Reviews on this washer are funny
Like lakewebsterkid stated above. Here are a few:
Great Features, NOT: Whirlpool Top Load Washer Did not ever fathom despising a washing machine; purchased this six months ago, six months of misery with this thing, and I have used possibly/probably hundreds. This thing will give you pain and frustration as well as hard work (get a board and go to the river!) Six months hence, "take it away" and also dryer although dryer is Fair to OK but want matching set; back to GE and FAST! Getting to be an expensive endeavor, but I could abide this thing NO longer! ******************************************************************* I am wasting my TIDE!!! I am very disappointed in the performance of my new low- water washer!!! I just purchased this supposedly high Efficiency washer and i am working harder than my great grand mother to get the soap out of the dry cloths!!! And this is after the cycle is over!! I should be able to load the cloths the way the manufacturer tells me to, use the proper expensive detergent that is recommended for said product and wait for my clean cloths to come out to dry!! Instead i am working harder to wash cloths than i ever had to in my life$! It is very upsetting when you are expecting clean cloths but you receive cloths that was never touched by water!!! I shouldn't finish a cycle with detergent on my cloths period!!! Bad products!!! Never again!!! ****************************************************************** very disappointing - hunk of junk I bought this washer a few months ago for a rental. Between renters, I am testing it. It makes terrible sounds like it is broken. It does not allow enough water to go in to rinse clothes properly. It does not distribute soap properly clothes comes out with spots of soap on it. I wish I had my old washer back. ******************************************************************* Not happy We have had this machine for 3 years and it hasn't lived up to the expectations of a Whirlpool product. In the 3 years of ownership, the appliance repair people have been to our residence an average of twice a year. Most of the repair work has been to replace the motherboard that control all of the operations of the machine. They were out here today to fix the problems again and told us the repairs this time would be over 500 dollars. We are going to find a new machine to replace it; it won't be a Whirlpool. ****************************************************************** The nub they call an agitator I moved to an apartment with all whirlpool appliances. The washer doesn't get but a trickle of water in it and they put a little nub in the bottom for an agitator then say don't cover it ...serious ..the only way to not cover it is do 3 pairs of socks a load only. the dishwasher doesn't wash dishes either. *********************************************************************** I included Whirlpool's response to this review. They actually suggested balling the clothes up to the size of a soccer ball before placing into the washer. Horrible washing machine! Water level doesn't even cover one load of sheets on the "sheets" cycle! If water doesn't fill in time, the cycle times out and then the cycle stops and you have to restart this stupid machine. Takes a good hour to wash a load of clothes. Response from Whirlpool: Social Care Team · 2 years ago The Department of Energy standards state how much water any water-based appliances can use, and our washers meet all of their stringent guidelines. We would recommend balling up the clothing similar to the size of a soccer ball, and place around the agitator one at a time. We would also recommend stacking it up so it is around the sides and the agitator plate is visible with all of the clothing around it. Do not fill up past the 2nd to last row of holes in the basket to help avoid overloading. The bulky cycle will allow more water to enter the tub, but will not spin on the highest spin setting. We hope this helps. | ||
| Post# 1093306 , Reply# 46 10/15/2020 at 21:31 (1,429 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
Whirlpool would be much better off if they started making machines like my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII set tomorrow and discontinuing ALL of their HE machines. There wouldn’t be much complaints about the wash performance in older belt drive design and customers would be much happier with a machine that actually cleans and does what is supposed to do as opposed to their newer HE machines and yes it would be more expensive to build machines like my ‘63 Whirlpools but again customers would be much happier with having a machine that actually washes and rinses like it’s supposed to do.
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| Post# 1093332 , Reply# 47 10/16/2020 at 07:27 (1,428 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i think whirlpool should go back to classic machines
i think whirlpool should go back to making classic washers like this inglis washer dryer set like in these pics as well as bring back those classics maytag washer dryer sets
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| Post# 1093364 , Reply# 48 10/16/2020 at 11:19 (1,428 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1093391 , Reply# 49 10/16/2020 at 14:17 (1,428 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 1093625 , Reply# 50 10/18/2020 at 14:51 (1,426 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
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Gross, that’ll never last like the old direct drives. Why would anyone logically want something like that is what I cannot understand | ||
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Post# 1153731 , Reply# 51 7/8/2022 at 23:45 (798 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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cold water washing I know this thread is old, yet it is STILL relevant. The only time I use cold water is when I wash my dark colors. | ||
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Post# 1153738 , Reply# 53 7/9/2022 at 00:37 (798 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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whirlpool direct drives I'd bring back the whirlpool direct drives with clean touch controls that will fill up completely to the brim, along with a choice of tap hot, tap cold, and 50/50 for warm. | ||
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Post# 1153937 , Reply# 54 7/10/2022 at 18:38 (796 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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energy crisis It seems like the energy crisis is getting worse, so you know what that means... more cold water washers are being forced on us even more. It's only gonna get worse! | ||
| Post# 1153997 , Reply# 55 7/11/2022 at 11:46 (795 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT) | ||
Americans Need To DITCH The Top Loader & Move To Front Load
Americans need to end their love affair with top loaders already.
The days are over of being able to fill up a huge tub of HOT water and getting your clothes clean in 30/45 minutes. Now we have so many states with drought conditions that we really need to use less water. A front loaders just makes sense. Europe has been using them for like ever and they work. You can't wash everything in COLD. You actually need HOT and WARM water washes to clean/lift dirt, oil, sebum etc. Europe doesn't use exclusive COLD water washes. Educated use is all it takes. Use HOT on whites (and maybe some bleach) to keep your clothes AND machine clean. My 7 year old Electrolux Wave-Touch (70 Series) washes great and has no foul odor at all. I use HOT washes for whites with bleach and borax. Colors get Eco-Hot (warmer than warm but not full hot) or Warm. When washing is done for the day, wipe down boot (door and gasket) leave door open, wipe down detergent drawer and leave open. And when the washer calls for a Clean Cycle (every 50 washes), I do it. Maybe I'm pro-front loader because I grew up with a Westinghouse front loader (that even used more water than today's front loaders) but still used WAY less than any top loader of that time. Front loaders just make more sense.
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Post# 1184141 , Reply# 56 7/4/2023 at 11:28 (437 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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cold water washing pushing Guys, they're still gonna push this cold water washing nonsense. Just look at all the washer offerings. | ||
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Post# 1184149 , Reply# 57 7/4/2023 at 13:37 (437 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 1184197 , Reply# 58 7/4/2023 at 23:46 (437 days old) by spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK)) |
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TBH I don't like cold water washing. My F&P TL fills a little with warm or hot water and then cascades the concentrated hot/warm sudsy water over the load with the tub slowly rotating for about 5 minutes. It then fills up with cold to agitate. Always get great results.
In Japan they seem to exclusively use cold water washing. Their machines (mostly TLs) only have one fill hose for cold fill. | ||
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Post# 1184198 , Reply# 59 7/5/2023 at 00:48 (437 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Since this thread was resurrected from the dead....
Cold water only washing machines are not exactly new nor novel idea. Many washing machines sold in Asia are cold fill only. This applies to Japan and few other places where not only do top loading impeller washers of all sorts hold major market share, but again they are usually cold fill only.
morethanrelo.com/en/washing-clot... My little Haier HLP21N is a "cold water" only washer, advise of course one disregards. www.manualslib.com/manual... www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx2... Japan has a whole vast and bewildering array of laundry detergents, bleaches and so forth designed to work in cold water. They also sell huge amounts of washing machine "cleaners" and "disinfectants" designed to cope with what happens when using cold water only... adayofzen.com/the-strange-truth-... | ||
| Post# 1184236 , Reply# 60 7/5/2023 at 17:37 (436 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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yeah i do what Launderess does in mine in any case
wash in medium water detergent and oxy I want my undies socks and kerchiefs clean please We do have Lysol Laundry sanitizer at DG in 2 sizes | ||
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