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Thread Number: 62162
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Kenmore Portable Dishwasher |
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Post# 847640 10/25/2015 at 23:39 (3,098 days old) by jakeseacrest  (Massachusetts) |
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So my sister told me that my parents may be buying me this dishwasher as a surprise for Christmas. I'm not completely sold about the new dishwasher technology with the filters and 3 hour wash cycles. Anyone have any experience with the Kenmore dishwashers?
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Post# 847666 , Reply# 1 10/26/2015 at 08:03 (3,097 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Kinda interesting, Sears recommends using tabs/gels and dispenser makes no provision for second dose of detergent. | ||
| Post# 847887 , Reply# 2 10/27/2015 at 07:15 (3,096 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
These machines are pretty basic in terms of technology. I don't think you'll see wash times of 3 hours. The filter is really not a big deal. My Frigidaire doesn't have a food grinder and honestly I hardly ever have to clean the "filter" part. Maybe once a month and it takes just a few minutes. WP makes some great dishwashers...I think you'll be happy with this.
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Post# 847890 , Reply# 3 10/27/2015 at 07:37 (3,096 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 847907 , Reply# 4 10/27/2015 at 09:49 (3,096 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
 It appears to be a Whirlpool sourced machine, though their portables are usually Bottom to middle of the line as far as features. I think you will be happy with the results, you shouldn't see 3 hr wash unless you choose a lot of options.
Otherwise if the gift horse has a cavity, send it to the dentist.
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Post# 847948 , Reply# 5 10/27/2015 at 15:16 (3,096 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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Post# 848002 , Reply# 6 10/27/2015 at 19:18 (3,096 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Detergent dispenser Yes there is space for prewash dosage. There's a smaller divided section that's for the prewash. When you close the dispenser with both cups loaded, the prewash detergent filters out into the bottom of the tub through a grill/grid opening in the dispenser door. Just hard to seein the drawings. This should be a good dishwasher. | ||
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Post# 848026 , Reply# 7 10/27/2015 at 20:18 (3,096 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 848707 , Reply# 10 10/30/2015 at 17:52 (3,093 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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food grinders are better! I can't believe just about everybody abandoned their hard food disposers! I want both racks to operate at the same time! These dishwashers take forever to clean and leave dishes dirty! If you want clean dishes, you are required to use high temp wash at all times! | ||
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Post# 850434 , Reply# 11 11/8/2015 at 10:56 (3,084 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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| Post# 850442 , Reply# 12 11/8/2015 at 11:07 (3,084 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Don't listen to GELaundry.
Yeah, this isn't your parents' old PowerClean with the self cleaning filter and big grinder, but it's still a decent performer for today. And it's quiet and very economical on water. Normal washes shouldn't be too long, but it will run a little longer than older models. It washes by alternating the bottom and top sprayers, so it has to take a little more time to do it. Enjoy the good gift! | ||
| Post# 850539 , Reply# 14 11/8/2015 at 19:34 (3,084 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Both arms? | ||
| Post# 850573 , Reply# 15 11/8/2015 at 21:40 (3,084 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
 The Spray Arms look very similar almost identical to my Dad's Bosch which is going on 8 years now.
I have a 2005 Kenmore (Kenwhirl) Ultra Wash 3 level Portable. Cleans Very Good, but hate the upper rack as it's not adjustable and the rows in the upper rack are narrow so that you can't place some glassware in between the tines. Most of my glassware and coffee mugs have to go over the tines. I wonder if a TOL WP rack from that era and series would fit ? Ya know... some thing that could raise and lower or tilt. | ||
| Post# 850628 , Reply# 16 11/9/2015 at 07:22 (3,083 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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You'll love it I'm sure | ||
| Post# 850664 , Reply# 17 11/9/2015 at 12:08 (3,083 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
From what I understand so far, Whirlpool uses two types of motors for theirs and KM & KA dishwashers. The lower BOL grade models have the tiny induction motor, almost the same as the drain motor on most washers. The higher tier uses larger motors that are able to pump enough volume to power all arms at once, though I believe Normal and Overnight cycles alternate arms to save water, along with one rack only cycles. They still aren't as big as the ones in the Maytags, but they seem to push a nice flurry of water around the tub.
The filters have been improved as well in the past few years' models, where they've molded grooves into the bottom to allow the drain pump to back wash more effectively. From what I hear from current owners and users on AW alike, they may have longer cycles, but they clean very well even with standard cycles/settings. Honestly I've never had an issue with long cycle times. The dishwasher is the one machine I would rather run for a good while, because I have enough dishes that we're not stranded if the machine is packed full. Sometimes I feel that the PowerClean is done a little too quickly; if I were an electrical genius I'd reprogram the main board to have a longer main wash for the detergent to be in use longer. | ||
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Post# 851758 , Reply# 18 11/15/2015 at 11:40 (3,077 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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My new dishwasher arrived last night. I purchased it myself because with all my coupons and Sears points I got it for a grand total of $554. Not entirely bad. The interior is taller than my Maytag, but the racks are smaller and kinda unforgiving. My glasses fit but my coffee mugs are too wide to go between the prongs. I can live with that though. It's on a maiden voyage now using the One Hour Wash and heated dry. Nothing too challenging at all.
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Post# 851793 , Reply# 19 11/15/2015 at 15:31 (3,077 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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First run was a success. It is extremely quiet which I was surprised at. Washing was very good using a Finish Quantum tab that came with it. I was kinda concerned with the stainless pan as it had a few pieces of hardened cheese from last nights pasta but it came off completely. My water ranges from 135 to 140 degrees so that may have helped. Except for the upper rack being too tight for my mugs I'm kinda happy with it
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| Post# 851836 , Reply# 20 11/15/2015 at 20:25 (3,077 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Top Rack. Here's a few pics of my '05 KenWhirl.
The Top Rack is pitiful. If only it tilted and moved up and down. Just to get those last few things. | ||
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Post# 853250 , Reply# 21 11/23/2015 at 09:14 (3,069 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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Last night I ran a load on Pots and Pans with Hi Temp wash. Cycle time was 2 hours and 4 minutes. Not as bad as I thought it would be. I did notice that it does a few purges throughout the cycle but it could have been the soil level that I had in there. I haven't used Normal yet but the One Hour wash does a respectable job. Heated dry in my opinion is kinda useless. My dishes dry quicker if I flash dry them.
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| Post# 853332 , Reply# 22 11/23/2015 at 18:24 (3,069 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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Purges What are purges? I've never seen our Kenmore 15113 do one at all. | ||
| Post# 853357 , Reply# 23 11/23/2015 at 20:34 (3,069 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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@washerdude - There are two purge methods that I know of that Whirlpool machines use.
1. Prerinse purge - After the main wash, the machine fills with fresh water for about 10 seconds, then runs the main pump for a few seconds to agitate any remaining soils and detergent in the sump, then drains and proceeds to the rinse. For the PowerClean/UltraWash, the pump only turns on once for around 5 seconds, followed by a full drain. On Voyager machines, and the new resource-saver models (the Tahoe platform, from what I've found in WP service documents), the pump will cycle on and off for a few seconds at a time before draining. This clears the sump enough to usually only need one rinse afterwards. 2. Automatic filter purge - Whirlpool implemented this on the Voyager design, and if I'm correct, the new Tahoe design as well. This purge is done during the prewash and main wash portions of the cycle. As the machine pauses to test the turbidity of the water, it will decide whether a prewash is necessary or if it can proceed into the main wash without draining. It also decides if AFP's are necessary, and if so, the drain pump will kick on while the main pump is circulating water. This creates negative pressure in the filter chamber, and with the downward spray of the lower wash arm, the dirt particles are forced down and out the drain. The fill valve also kicks on for about ten seconds to replenish what was pulled out. This way, the accumulated soil can be removed without dumping the entire tub. The Tahoe works essentially the same way, pulling soil trapped in the manual filter out through the bottom. My Maytag-Voyager will usually do two or three AFPs between the prewash and main wash if the load is of medium soil, usually skipping the drain and proceeding to dispense detergent, which in my opinion is the best method because the water isn't fully hot and is also soil-laden, so the enzymes in the detergent get a good workout and they're able to work well because the temp is gradually rising. I've only had it drain the prewash and fill for a separate MW a few times, and it was for a super nasty load. I've never had anything come out less than sparkling, and it cuts water usage down to maybe 3.5-4 gallons, and that's with all three arms running full force. | ||
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Post# 853359 , Reply# 24 11/23/2015 at 20:38 (3,069 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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| Post# 853377 , Reply# 25 11/23/2015 at 22:38 (3,069 days old) by washer111 () | ||
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@murando351 I remember reading one of Bob's (Appnut) posts from a long time ago related to the filter-purges on his then-new Whirlpool machine. What you've described sounds very familiar.
Its cool to learn how these self-cleaning filters work! | ||
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Post# 853422 , Reply# 26 11/24/2015 at 07:52 (3,068 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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My old Elite would drain prewash water and fill for main wash even when it did not purge any soil out of the filter. If the water was "dark" as in lots of hot chocolate mugs in winter or if I'd baked a peanut butter fudge cake that had chocolate residue from mixing bowls of batter and frosting as well as respective to sauce pans for cooking parts for batter and frosting. But most of the time it would have enough soil to trigger one purge minimal during prewash. On my new one, I've only used Smart Wash & Pots & Pans. It does the pause and assess soil level on Smart wash during the prewash but not on Pots & Pans and obviously not on the 1-hour Express Wash. The latter reminds me of an old fashioned dishwasher--prewash, rinse, main wash, and two rinses. With heavier soil, it does 3 post-wash rinses. Andrew, do you know anything with regards to the new KAs and Kenmore Elites with the Clean Water Wash/MicroClean filter systems? I'm curious as to if it ever does any actual purging of heavy food soils out of the filter system like my old one? I've not subjected the machine to heavier soil yet but no doubt will with all the cooking and meals upcoming. But with company, I won't be able to sit in front of the dishwasher like I've done for the past 3 weeks. | ||
| Post# 853506 , Reply# 27 11/24/2015 at 17:15 (3,068 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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@appnut - Currently, I do not. So far I can't find any literature on the MicroClean at all besides sales brochures. There is a retailer resource site that has videos directed at salespersons, but even it is vague as to where the machine holds the soils between drains. I posted the link that Johnb300m posted on another thread.
You have officially planted the "new bug" in my head for these new dishwashers. I've been toying with the idea of getting a TOL Whirlpool machine for a while. Hearing good words here and there have pushed me more toward that direction, and now hearing from the Bob himself that they are, in fact, impressive machines now has ants in my pants to go out and look and buy one. On Whirlpool's side, the WDT920 is gorgeous in black ice, and it seems solid enough from looking at a few in stores. That silverware spray bar seems a better idea to me than Kenmore's 360 TurboZone or KA's similar ProScrub, at least for my needs. I haven't looked as much into KM or KA's machines mainly because of price, but I'm also not as fond of the idea of the mechanical wash arms. The real question is: Will Whirlpool bring the CleanWater/MicroClean system to their native machines, and will they add the black stainless steel option? Because if they do I'll all but take out a mortgage. Lol CLICK HERE TO GO TO murando531's LINK | ||
| Post# 853530 , Reply# 28 11/24/2015 at 20:10 (3,068 days old) by washerdude (Canada ) | ||
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@Murando531 Oh in that case, mine always does that between main wash and rinse and sometimes between pre wash and main wash. Thanks! | ||
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Post# 853836 , Reply# 29 11/27/2015 at 08:02 (3,065 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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I'm very impressed so far. Yesterday after Thanksgiving dinner I ran a load of pretty heavily soiled dishes and just a few pots that could fit. Pots and Pans with High Temp wash. 2 hours later not a single reject. Emptied after my guests left and filled with glasses, dessert plates, extra silverware, a few pots, and a baking dish that held the turkey. Normal cycle with no options just to try it. Probably took about 90 minutes. I believe it did only one post wash rinse but once again everything was squeaky clean.
I imagined that after 2 weeks and about 8 loads of dishes that I should check the filter since I said when I got this dishwasher that I will never even slightly rinse anything anymore. Not a spec or a trace of anything on either filter! This may be one of my favorite dishwashers that I've ever owned. | ||
| Post# 853949 , Reply# 30 11/28/2015 at 01:52 (3,064 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Clean Filters | ||
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Post# 870464 , Reply# 31 3/4/2016 at 11:13 (2,967 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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Update: This dishwasher has exceeded my expectations except for the racks which need to be wider between the prongs. I am continually impressed with the washing ability. I rotate between One Hour Wash and Pots and Pans with Hi Temp. When I got this dishwasher I said that I was going to go outside my comfort zone and allow more baked on soils and scrape much less to see what it could do. Except for 2 rejects that were my fault due to loading, this dishwasher obliterates every stain.
Filter cleaning: Non existent. I've checked the filter probably 6 or 7 times and have found nothing except for a very clean piece of potato in the bottom of the tub that was too big to pass through the upper filter. Running time: Pots and Pans with Hi Temp clocks in at about 2 hours and 4 minutes. The few times I selected Pots and Pans with Sani Rinse comes in at about 2 hours and 40 minutes. Because the results are so outstanding I don't even mind. It's also very quiet as it does it's job Rating: A solid A | ||
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